Well, With you being arrested, trying to use the OOC medium to find a common ground is almost moot, but I think I will try to continue anyway
We are making progress! I read that this mission was intelligence gathering only. Maybe there would be an item we need to steal, but Leia wants us to get knowledge (intelligence) about the Jedi for luke.
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"After the Emperor rose to power, the very first thing he ordered was the destruction of the Jedi order. Even after the Clone Wars, the Empire expended enormous resources hunting down and destroying all the Jedi across the galaxy. What you may not know is that this was not successful."
"At least one Jedi survived the purge. General Obi-Wan Kenobi went into hiding. During this time, he mentored our very own Commander Luke Skywalker. Luke believes that he can become what the Emperor most fears."
"Lore of the Jedi has been hunted down with as much determination as the Jedi themselves. We are seeking alternate solutions that will help us recover the knowledge we have lost."
Princess Leia pressed a few buttons and a star map came up on the holoscreen. It displays a planet you haven't seen before. The displayed name is 'Vuprides 1.'
This is her basic introduction. This says nothing about the mission at all. I think you agree, because the first thing you say is "so, whats the mission"
quote:
"A recent Imperial transmission was decoded with the aid of the slicer you retrieved. The intelligence indicated a location that may have information we need to pursue this objective."
"This is Karhexadine 1, the only inhabitable planets in its stellar system. The message we intercepted was a protest from the sector's Moff against an order to redirect forces away from it."
Princess Leia opens another file. Everyone listens as a well-educated but weedy voice complaints. "... Given that the Emperor's highest priority has always been the destruction of the prime enemy, I feel it is a poor decision to redirect forces away from Karhexadine. I formally request the retraction of order 27.42..."
Princess Leia turns the message off. "Whatever is on Karhexadine, the Empire has it buried. If they don't want us to have it, I think we should at least find out what it is."
The Princess opens a third file on her data pad to project a holo of a GR-75 medium transport next to a holo of an X-Wing. "You'll be travelling through imperial space on this mission. Rebel command has authorized the use of a transport with an X-Wing as escort. Alternatively, you could keep using the Sunset Shimmer. However I'm told that the range of a YT-1300 is insufficient to reach the objective without stopping to refuel. You'll have to stop at an independent fuelling station on the way.
Here she tells us three things
1. We got intel about imperial troop movements. This also hints at a Jedi person, artifact, or similar
2. "I think we should at least find out what it is". This is the part that I understand the mission is pure intel.
3. our travel options. Not really important to our disagreement.
At this point it seems you see this as a strike mission based on your posts. This is where our major disagreement starts. And I think it is because you think this is a "kill" or "strike" mission.
quote:
"The planet is pre-interstellar, but not uninhabited. Our information suggests several native groups that may have information you can use. They have been under imperial oversight for decades, and may be willing to aid the Rebellion."
Princess Leia opens another file on the holoscreen. The screen displays an artistic carving. It resembles a tree with wide boughs and humanoid figure's dancing around beneath them. A number of symbols are inscribed in an arc around the top of the tree.
"When we began researching Karhexadine, we found an archaeological study dating to the Old Republic. Most of the files were expunged, but this piece survived in an archived edition. Whether it is a literal tree or some sort of symbol, we suspect that it is pertinent to your mission."
According to the images' title, the piece of art was categorized as Item 2056: Symoblic Representation of 'Tree of Knowledge.'
Here you have left the room already, so any extra information from the princess is moot tho this discussion.
However, this does speak to the "lack of intelligence" that you are talking about. It is not much, but based on the above interpretation of mine that this is an intel gathering mission (which Caddy will change to be a smash and grab mission on the ground when she sees Jedi stuff, and we will probably agree when we see the Empire is planning on destroying it) this extra info just gives us a place to start. It is nice, but as an intel gathering mission not really needed.
So, based on your statement Jurell is unwilling to concede either of "our" points, and is not willing to meet us halfway. I posted that as a player hoping we could find some middle ground. In any argument the best way out is a compromise. I was pointing out the two points we are trying to make that if perhaps Jurell could (even temporarily) make a concession to continue the dialog.
With respect to Jurell's point - I think I nailed point 1. However, contrary to what you are posting here, Jurell does not respect rank at all (Granted, Han barely did and also used the Sweetheart line to degrade the woman he was traveling with. Lucas is a known sexist which puts that line in the movies.) So, as long as you are trying to both disrespect the Lieutenant in the room, and degrade he role further because she is a woman on purpose you nailed it. If you are doing some of these by accident by quoting Star Wars, no problem. Just wanted to point out that "Sweetheart" inflamed Leia every time that Han used it. Don't get upset when someone lashes back at you when you insult the leadership directly.
That ties directly into Forim's grunt comment. You insulted my leader directly. I insulted you back directly. Then you left the room.
I know you modeled yourself from Han, and Han did not really respect female leadership at all. He did have very respectful conversations with the few scenes he had with male leadership. Han got insulted a lot by said female (that half-witted scruffy-looking nerf herder) but he stayed around because (1, he didnt care he was insulted back or 2, to prove to everyone around him that he was the best: [I couldn't let you get all the glory and reward]).
The second point make sense with the above - you think it is a strike mission. If you can point out to me why you think this is a strike mission that might help me understand some of your points.
I don't disagree that a intel + strike mission would be _better_ with two teams. Heck, it would be better with four teams. Two independant teams gather intel, then a strike team, and a backup strike team incase of curve balls. That gets us better intel from two overlapping perspectives, and another team in reserve to help the first team if it gets into trouble.
But we are the pennyless rebellion. Teams often do Intel + Strike on their own. That is the other part of Forim's point. When you get assigned a mission, you accept it or you dont. That is what the GM is getting at with this briefing I think. Get our grievances out now at the start of the mission so that on the mission we are a coherient party.