Mechanicus Negotiations.   Posted by Terradyne.Group: 0
Terradyne
 GM, 35 posts
Fri 7 Aug 2015
at 11:02
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
She pauses, considering. "I cannot comprehend the true depths of his mind, but I can provide estimates of his behaviour."

"It is likely that he will wish to determine the veracity of your claims. While we hold no doubt, he is apt to be more skeptical, not having seen what you have brought."

"Once your claim is rendered absolute in his thoughts, then further discussion will likely commence as to the acquisition of any STC templates within your possession."

"Beyond this he will likely attempt to convince you to join - or at a minimum to ally yourself - to us, and allow Mechanicus recruitment from your worlds. A combination of your knowledge and the Omnissiah-given wisdom of the Mechanicus would produce wonders of tech that would never fade."

"You should consider this carefully, though I am aware of the instinct-driven urge to reject the Machine. Discard it."
Maya Adderson
 GM, 19 posts
Fri 7 Aug 2015
at 11:10
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"Hmm..." Maya considers.  "Most of those are probably workable...  Though it would be likely easier to teach what I know rather than recruit from our populations.  We don't have so many people that we can afford unplanned reductions, but we'll have to see how the discussions work out."
Allister Cheng
 player, 14 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Fri 7 Aug 2015
at 12:41
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"I have to concur with Ms. Adderson. Recruitment may be detrimental to further technological developements if it isn't planned out carefully. It may be better if we do a gradual introduction of knowledge as history has taught us that an uncontrolled release of paradigm changing technologies can have effects that range from detrimental to apokalyptic."

"Some of our analysts have proposed the idea of using this sector as a, shall we say, field test. As it is, it's wounded, relatively small and relatively speaking, something that won't hurt the Imperium as a whole if it fails. Here we could attempt to do gradual modifications of operating procedures to map out a causal chart of which changes can have follow on effects that are desirable, and which are not. Precise experimental set up would have to be ironed out, but if it works, we get a map as to how we can get the rest of the Imperium reasonably close to the most prosperous epochs of the Age of Technology."

Alister tried to keep his tone neutral as the AdMech didn't appreciate passionate speeches as others might like. Similiarly, he thought it a good opportunity to prepare the field in their favour. He didn't doubt that the Fabricator General was studying them. And the Archmagos of Ataraxia was liable to inform him as any. As he would be the first in line of any potential sharing of knowledge, he counted on him being someone in favour of this idea.
Terradyne
 GM, 39 posts
Fri 7 Aug 2015
at 22:05
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
She considers your arguments for a moment. "Your statements are valid by my consideration, however it is him that you will have to convince. I cannot speak for his reasoning."

There is a burst of binary, and the mood shifts in the room. Every eye - mechanical or otherwise - turns to you. The burst summoned you itself, though you try not to react before you are informed, just in case.

"He has summoned you." she says, and steps back. "I cannot assist further; you must take these steps on your own."

You move forwards, between two separating lines of Tech-Priests, each examining you in utter silence, unwilling to break the degree of the Fabricator-General, whatever their opinion of you might be.

You pass through the door at the end, and into a surprisingly austere room, devoid of all but a symbol of the Mechanicus, and a single Tech-priest.

Perhaps you may have expected him to be some giant of a machine; a ten-foot colossus of steel and silver metal, but in the end, he is not so different to his compatriots.

He stares at you, standing entirely still as he forms an opinion of you both.

"Maya Adderson; Genetically engineered. Technical expert. You have assisted this world on multiple occasions."

"Allister Cheng. Unknown derivation. Spy. You are present to ensure that this situation resolves favourably."

"I am here to ensure compliance with the dictates of the Omnissiah. Your work may contravene this." he pauses, letting it sink in for a moment. "Explain your reasoning for taking such actions as you have in the past."
Maya Adderson
 GM, 23 posts
Fri 7 Aug 2015
at 22:14
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
Maya stepped forward, inclining her head in a semblance of respect.  There certainly seemed to be an appreciation for brevity here.

"When your footing is unclear, it's unwise to make more drastic steps than necessary.  Assistance was warranted in light of the recent incursions, and assisting in refining what was already known, and providing advice, was reasoned to be more efficient and less disruptive than introducing entirely new data under the circumstances."
Allister Cheng
 player, 17 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Sat 8 Aug 2015
at 10:19
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
He didn't comment on the spy comment. It was common knowledge what his job was back in the Federation. A look into surviving archives or just a good guess would reveal that.

"Similiarly, lack of reliable information on galactic macro-scale political situation merited more secrecy to maintain operational security. Such mistrust has so far been confirmed as necessery."
Terradyne
 GM, 42 posts
Sat 8 Aug 2015
at 21:35
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
Lidless eyes of glass stare at Maya, cameras where once sat a face. "I did not expect you to favour stability, given your actions." says his vocal synthesiser. "But perhaps I have misinterpreted facts."

He inclines his...head...towards Allister, in something that might be a nod.
"Mistrust is perhaps the foundation of the doctrine of the Mechanicus. There are many that cannot be trusted with knowledge. Your age spread such freely, and now most is lost to pointless war and destruction."

"You should go further, but your actions do not confirm you as a hopeless case, merely one that might require some education."

He pauses, and a mechadendrite carries a set of datapads over. "I have reviewed your designs." he says, gesturing the pad towards Maya. "They are unusual; some may deem such a blasphemy against the Machine God." he stares quite deliberately into her eyes, trying to unnerve her. "Justify these changes; why are they in keeping with both the teachings of the Omnissiah, when they are not sourced from the most holy STC."
Maya Adderson
 GM, 24 posts
Sat 8 Aug 2015
at 22:02
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
Maya met the Fabricator General's gaze.  "The STC Program was--at least as of the time our expedition departed--a means of translating the knowledge gathered by mankind into a common format, to minimize deviation in design philosophy, and ensure that new discoveries made on one side of the galaxy can be easily adapted and expanded for the benefit of mankind.  The structure of the vessels I did work on were compliant with this foundation.  From there, it was a matter of applying the foundational theory and design logic I had studied at the schools of Old Terra to optimize the designs for their intended role, making use of what fragments are presently known and understood."

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Allister Cheng
 player, 18 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Sun 9 Aug 2015
at 07:25
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"It can be argued that the free spread ensured that enough copies survived into this age. If it was all hoarded, it risked the sum total of mankinds knowledge on a few points of failure, an unacceptable risk."

"By your argument, we should restrict our knowledge even from the Adeptus Mechanicus as even it has shown that at least the lower levels are vulnerable to infiltration. What guarantee would we have that we wouldn't be destroyed by rogue elements?"
Terradyne
 GM, 44 posts
Mon 10 Aug 2015
at 12:17
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"Your statements are curious. You claim to be able to simulate some of the production logic of the STC within your own mind?" he pauses, clicking as thoughts both human and inhuman pass through his augmented brain.

"To have acquired such by intuition from the templates would be a...difficult concept." he says, dragging out the sentence as he ponders it. "However, you learned from the same source as the STC itself."

He nods, a slightly disturbing gesture from something so inhuman. "I remain uncertain about your ability to replicate such, however I will concede that your actions may not necessarily be wholly against the tenets of the Mechanicus."

"Your work must still be inspected properly, sanctified and ensured that it carries no...impurities. But it will have that chance."

He turns to Allister, in a manner that could almost be called patronising.

"And yet that free spread allowed the proliferation of weapons into the hands of the unworthy. It led to the creation of abominations that turned on Mankind. That some was saved by this is not adequate compensation; if the knowledge had been kept in the grasp of those that respected it, then there would have been no catastrophe."

"You had the knowledge, but lacked the wisdom of the Omnissiah. We learned that wisdom, but your actions robbed us of the knowledge."

"As to restriction?" he pauses, diodes flickering on and off. "Yes, this is exactly correct. Only those that are trusted with such knowledge may be allowed to possess it. Admission to the inner secrets of our Order requires trust - the lower initiates may falter, but we endure."
Maya Adderson
 GM, 25 posts
Mon 10 Aug 2015
at 15:14
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
Maya bowed her head politely.  "I understand, I would take the same steps in your position, given the tendency of the various enemies and rivals of mankind to attempt to employ deception.  One cannot be too careful when the stakes are this high after all.  Beyond that, we do agree at least that the more advanced pieces of knowledge must be learned carefully--and what little we have uncovered of the collapse of the system suggests that things only began going wrong when they began to rush for easy, obvious solutions over a careful, precise advance.  Sacrificing control of their arts in favor of greater immediate gains--and in doing so, had sown the seeds of their own destruction--much of my work in the past years since the displacement has been carefully studying the events of the past and determining which fields are potentially dangerous so that they may be restricted as necessary."
Allister Cheng
 player, 23 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Mon 10 Aug 2015
at 19:29
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"You talk as if you were there. None of us were. You only have apogryphal legends that even you have to admit may be distorted through the passage of time, war and simple bias of the authors. We have the opposite. We have the full history of mankind behind us, and could only speculate as to the course of the future based on prior data. But as Miss Adderson said, if they stayed the course as we did before, this should not have happened."

"The logical answer is that something caused them to be incautious. To panic, in a manner of speaking. Yet, not even the Eldar Empire, which for most of our history surpassed us in every relevant metric caused such recklessnes. To ascribe simple foolishnes to their actions would be dangerously lax."

"Does dangerous knowledge need to be controlled? Yes. But holding on too tight risks complete collapse. The Federation worked like this for millenia, and it's precursors all the way to the first time man set foot upon Luna at the dawn of the third millenium. More than twenty millenia of success point to there being no inherent failure in the practice. Either sabotage, or a disaster could provoke such a failure."

"On the other hand, your organization was been stable for ten millenia, and another few if the Age of Strife is counted. It's a clear proof that this strategy works as well. Yet, our experience so far has shown that you suffer from different problems."
Terradyne
 GM, 51 posts
Tue 11 Aug 2015
at 15:33
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"You, at least, understand." he says, one set of cameras tracking Maya. "That knowledge unrestrained is the worst sin of Man."

"Are we imperfect? Perhaps." he concedes. "The Mechanicus is a human institute; it cannot have the perfection of the Mechanical itself, much as we may strive towards it. Only the Omnissiah and his creations are pure."

"And yet your people did not face the trials we have. Those that they did face were the end of them, a people weakened by decadence and internal rot. Of revolt by perverse creation and the betrayal of their own gene-code."

"I may not have been present, but the Mechanicus was. We endured the fall of Terra; we endured the Age of Strife. We learned the lessons of mistrust, and unrestrained hunger for knowledge. We learned those lessons well."

"Where there is weakness, then it must be hammered out, like impurities from steel."

"Join with us. Share with us your knowledge. When at last the revelations of the Machine god are gathered, then we will in truth be able to begin our greatest works."
Maya Adderson
 GM, 26 posts
Tue 11 Aug 2015
at 16:47
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
Maya nodded, and stepped forward.  "On the point of recovering what was lost, we are in perfect agreement.  The Councillors of our Colony have been conferring on this question, and have come up with an offer to make that should likely be satisfactory.  We seek recognition as a Tributary state of the Adeptus Mechanicus.  In exchange for said recognition, we are willing to provide our expertise with regards to handling STC Logic--be it in the form of restorations, apprenticeships so your own Adepts can be taught what I know--and share any Patterns we might discover in our own investigation as to the events of the Age of Strife.  Which brings me to my next point."

She sets her case to the ground, being careful not to make sudden movements, releases the locking mechanisms, and withdraws a carefully bound and annotated set of schematics.

"As a token of our meeting--and as a happy coincidence, an effective response to the Enemy's recent deeds.  I've gathered together the data we were given at the onset of our colony--by dint of it's proximity to the Eldar of the time requiring it--and annotated its effects based on it's use against the Enemy in the recent campaign, with promising results.  A series of Null-Field devices that should permit greater defenses against their Warp-based abilities."
Allister Cheng
 player, 24 posts
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 15:44
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations

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Allister Cheng
 player, 25 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 16:01
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"We are authorized to negotiate further STC transfers. The Council has provided us with a list of desirable concessions in return for these."
Terradyne
 GM, 55 posts
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 18:19
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
His mechadendrites twitch towards the case hungrily, before calming down and sliding back into a more composed posture. One fetches the schematics towards him, while another seems to shield them from harm.

"Ye-es." he says, drawing the word out as he examines data in front of him. "These must be...checked." One eye clicks, followed by another. "I will do so personally."

After a minute of solidly looking at the designs, he finally seems to realise exactly what it is that he is supposed to be doing. "You have more, as well?" he asks, Allister's words finally catching up to his thoughts.

"I see no issues with your accession as a Tributary state." he says, after another few moments. "Though there are procedures that must be undertaken first. I must return to Mars to consult with our archives."

There are a few clicking noises, and the heat level in the room noticeably rises.

"I will detach half of the fleet to defend your world until my return, if you would entrust us with the coordinates."
Maya Adderson
 GM, 30 posts
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 18:38
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"Some.  With the caveat that there was at least another four-thousand years of development in the program since our departure, but even the ancestor of the finished work has some value in itself"  Maya confirmed.

"As for the offer...  We're flattered, but you've almost certainly drawn attention from across the galaxy on your approach here, and we can count at least five or six dangerous players who would love to destroy or subvert what we can offer.  We've spent a fair portion of our resources in bolstering our defenses, but even with the strength of your fleet, we would be hard pressed to stand against a massed incursion, which would come much sooner if they have any way of following your fleet.  Likely within another decade, we will be able to open our borders in earnest to select agents, as we will have prepared enough redundancy in the face of disaster that losing our colony will not be catastrophic to any of our respective interests."
Allister Cheng
 player, 27 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 19:04
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"As Maya said, we have massively strengthened our defences. But our most powerful defence still remains obscurity. Your very presence will draw attention. If not against us, then at you yourself, or your fleet. Destroying you or the fleet would already pose a big coup for any of mankinds enemies. Leaving half the fleet might encourage them even more, especially as it demonstrates your believe in our continued worth. I believe we would be better served by subterfuge. Either pretending that you received everything you came for and have the only copies with you, or simulating that you were mistaken and there weren't any STCs after all."

Alister sighed.

"Unfortunately, some of our opponents have the indecency of cheating with psychic powers, so the ruse might be uncovered quickly. Drawing them into a prepared ambush is a possibility, but the last incursion was already ...concerning in regards to their twisted abilities. And that was from all appearances a rush job. I'd rather not risk that abomination gettings it's apendages on your fleet."
Terradyne
 GM, 56 posts
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 19:50
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations


He emits a cloud of electronic noise, drooping slightly. "You are correct." he says. "Many discoveries have been destroyed by the actions of the enemies of knowledge; of the destroyers of wisdom."

"We must initiate a program of subterfuge, therefore. I will return to Mars, and initiate a gathering of as many vessels as can be found, utilising these holy relics as the reason. When enough are gathered, then we shall return, and none may threaten your world - or your people - again."

He pauses, looking at one of you after the other, and then to the Templates that he now possesses.

"Ask anything that you wish, for now, for our failings in safeguarding you."

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Allister Cheng
 player, 28 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Wed 12 Aug 2015
at 20:32
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"We require manpower and resources. With those, we can establish more defences and an effective firebreak to buy time for reinforcements or evacuation. Having the Sector for ourselves would fulfill that, but is politically unfeasible. We would just end in a quagmire to pacify nobles, be it well meaning or traitors."

Alister smiled.

"Luckily, your society seems to have a way for us to sidestep this. If we had a Warrant of Trade, we should be able to effectively gather resources and recruit manpower without raising any undue attention. A Warrant is after all a suitable reward for an STC. There are some details that should be addressed, however. You have made your point about the sharing of knowledge, but a skilled workforce would be required to erect further defences in an acceptable timeframe. I understand if you reject this, but at this point, all available resources must be harnessed. We will do everything within reason to prevent a spread of these skills. If necessery by quarantining the relevant workforces within a Hive and only allowing goods and resources to enter and leave.

Another aid would be a map of Mechanicus worlds across the galaxy and proper hailing codes. If the worst should happen, we can at least ensure that one ship gets away with our data. Randomizing the possible destination will hopefully allow it to reach any one. As a cover we can have our trade net range that far so the enemy won't suspect anything amiss if our ships are seen at other Forgeworlds."

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Terradyne
 GM, 65 posts
Sun 16 Aug 2015
at 14:29
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"Yes. A Warrant should be a permissible matter in such a situation." he says, considering. "In fact, as you have stated, it would be an ideal reward for this form of exchange."

"I cannot say I necessarily approve of all the actions that you would take, but until a more complete union can be forged then we must accept...lesser compromises."

He clicks several times, before removing a datapad from his robes. "This now contains a list of those worlds deemed trusted, and verification codes for such a situation as you describe."
Maya Adderson
 GM, 33 posts
Sun 16 Aug 2015
at 15:10
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"We do what we must with the tools we have" Maya agreed.  "You have my thanks for your time and attention, we'll strive to keep you up to date through Ataraxia in the days ahead."
Allister Cheng
 player, 38 posts
 Spy
 Diplomat
Sun 16 Aug 2015
at 19:04
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"We will do our best to ensure that mankind benefits from this."
Terradyne
 GM, 66 posts
Sun 16 Aug 2015
at 23:20
Re: Mechanicus Negotiations
"See that you do." he says, something that perhaps answers both of you at once. "It has been...interesting."

And with that, he turns back to examining the STC template in his hand. While it'd normally seem rather rude...the Mechanicus don't really have much in the way of social skills anyway.

And so the negotiations are complete.