Note: this thread is semi-IC and semi-OOC

IC is nice, but feel free to use OOC if you need to.

rp.baileymail.net/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=stolen_land:midmarch:20190331-tuskfinances.pdf

That is about right -  except Tusk has 6.8bp to spend not 6.6 as shown on the PDF.  (there were a few tweaks after it was published)

Tusk will reach City Status this turn.

The Meeting Opens in private session.


The Player Information Thread has a list of the BPs that you can spend.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:19, Mon 06 Jan 2020.

Brother Bart pulls out a sheet of paper, scans it for a moment, and then reads ....

"I have a petition from some Tusk residents.  A Miss Teskertin, a very forward young lady I must say, the Haniki brothers and a Mr Vemarelian, they all want to know if you intend to open up a new residential district.  Preferably one for ...err..." Bart peers at the paper again for a moment, "Residents of .. err .. some substance with a good reputation.  They say they are prepared to fund a watch tower, for the district, to help keep order, should any less desirable folk find their way into the area."


"I understand that all three of them own property in Tusk that the rent out to the everyday folk."


"And there is another request from Miss Jennavieve Kensen, who wishes to establish a horse breeding facility in the hinterlands."
This message was last edited by the player at 23:27, Fri 03 Jan 2020.

"Both Mariam and I would be interested in  building houses there." Sir Borric comments as Brother Bart speaks of a new residential area.  "However, I came here today  to talk about moving The Temple of Iomedae into the College District.  With our Library and Sword school, we think we would fit in  well.  With no disrespect intended to The Governor, Abadar or Pharasma." he conceded with a nod.

"Perhaps we could build a Courthouse here instead, some day?" he suggests.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:13, Sat 04 Jan 2020.

"And, of course, I have plans as well." henry adds from his chair.

"On behalf of DELEM Trading, I would like to build a Serai in Tusk.  Perhaps in  the Lakeside District?  That will complete the route here from Restov and make trade easier.

On a personal basis, I would like to expand my estate in the Hinterland to a fortified Manor.  Bai is going to step down from running the estates for a while to concentrate on the family. 

PM

"I don't see any reason to object to any of those proposals at this stage. I would just question the location of a few of those things.

"I'm not sure we need to add a sixth district just yet but if those wealthy citizens do not wish to locate in the College District then I suppose their funding of a watchtower in their new district is a fair contribution.

"I would be more than happy for DELEM Trading to build a serai in Tusk but WSM already has a serai in Lakeside district. Is it feasible to locate two serai in the same district, or should the new one be somewhere else such as the Merchant Quarter?

"I hope to be able to complete the upgrade of Abadar's Minster to a full Cathedral now, at the same time as Tusk town achieves City status.

"If all those proposals go ahead I think we would be able to encourage some more investment in businesses that help to build our local Economy as well. In fact, we would need to encourage that investment to build up our Economy if we are to support all those other services. Let's see who else wants to invest here before we give final approval to those proposals and decide where Tusk's own funds should be invested," Andalon suggested.

Summary so far:
According to the spreadsheet in msg #1 Tusk is currently at 33 Economy, 34 Loyalty, 35 Stability, 6 Defense

Henry nods. "I will build the serai where ever you choose, but I am sure that Winter Sun and DELEM will be able to live side by side."

Hmmmm ....

"I agree, it does make sense to locate similar businesses together. Having the two serai in Lakeside does seem the best location for them." Andalon was happy to agree.

Henry nods happily.

Adoven speaks up. "With permission, I propose to build a country estate, a Fortified Villa, in the hinterlands. V&A is at the point now that I feel it should not be run out of our home. In addition, I will be expanding my Warehouse to a larger building, capable of handling the flow of goods that a large community requires. This will establish Tusk as a major trading partner.  My future plans, as finances become available, is to begin construction of a Military Academy. Training duelists is good, but we must think of the Defense of Tusk overall as we expand into ever more dangerous territories."


OOC: The Villa adds +1 Stability,+1 Loyalty, +2 Defense. Costs 4 bp
This is balanced by Warehouse going to Large Warehouse, adding +1 Economy.
Cost = 1 bp
This in turn established a City Base in Tusk, adding +3 Loyalty, +3 Stability, and +3 Economy.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:56, Sat 18 Jan 2020.

A woman, dressed as an Aldori duellist speaks up from the back of the room. "On behalf of House Yitis, we would like to build a warehouse in the Port Henry District.  We would, of course, be prepared to support any project that the Council deems worthy".

(to the tune of 0.5bp)

Brother Bart clears his throat.

"Adoven, I admire your ambition. We will have to see whether we can accommodate your plans straight away. I hope we can but we will need to discuss it in Council," Andalon replied.

"I hope we can accommodate House Yitis's plans for a warehouse, too. Certainly your offer to contribute towards one of the City's other projects is most welcome.

"The main issue that I foresee is that the Port Henry district will be almost fully built out with Adoven's expansion to a large warehouse and addition of a warehouse for House Yitis too. If you have any thought of further expansion in future, House Yitis might be well advised to consider building that warehouse in Lakeside district instead, although that would not be quite as conveniently located near your jetty.

"Hmm, we probably need to start thinking about how to accommodate future expansion of businesses in Port Henry. Perhaps that is not the best place for our orphanage, after all. One day we might need to consider moving the orphanage out of Port Henry; the College District might well be a better location for it in future, but we would need to think about how to make that happen. Tusk Council will certainly have some important items to consider at our next meeting."

Katya bows her head in thanks,  "I think, longer term, we would like to build an office.  However, we would hope that could be located in the Merchant District, rather than in Port Henry.  Should we make any further investments, we would want to diversify and would be happy to move develop i n whichever districts you thought most appropriate." she adds politely.

Bart takes a moment to look at a list in front of him.

Cass nodded. “We have quite the momentum this cycle, it seems. I would also like to improve the Mithral to a full hotel by investing in it at this time.” He held off on making any further comments until his colleagues had ample time to evaluate what had been placed before them thus far.

"I have word that Kiera would like to develop a tavern in the lakeside district ...."

"Mayor. Have you considered increasing the city watch? With all of these districts, the guards will need additional resources." Kendrick checked the drawing of the map of Tusk with a look of concern.

“You have brought to light one of my primary concerns, Marshal Winters.” Cass replied as a worried look covered his face. “The more we invest in Midmarch, the more we have to protect. I had hoped that Tusk investing in a courthouse would eleviate our need to regulate things more carefully. But that course of action would provide no greater defense for the area, and could actually tax us beyond our current economic ability to manage.”

Cass leaned forward and took in the council sincerely. “I do think that I have a favorable solution, but the entire membership would have to agree. I suggest that Tusk invest its remaining resources into a municipal sword school, under the direct guidance of the Marshal. This would give a Kendrick the ability to train future city watch recruits in a formal environment. Even the students themselves could be tasked to keep an eye out for trouble and aid the watch in their duties. A semi-militant structure like a sword school would aid in the city’s defense, and it would provide a modicum of economy to keep itself running without infringing on other assets. So, what do you all think?
This message was last edited by the player at 06:37, Sun 12 Jan 2020.

Cass thought of something else, and quickly held his finger up before anyone else could respond. “Such a sword school could be upgraded to a college and eventually a military academy. Should the city of Tusk move forward in such fashion, it should provide no hindrance to Adoven’s own plans along those lines. A Marshalry School would focus on certain land based tactics, but Adoven’s own students, likely trained as marines, would provide an entirely different area of expertise and support. Alright then. Thoughts?”
This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 06:36, Sun 12 Jan 2020.

After conferring with Brother Bart, Andalon nods and is happy to report.

"I believe we can comfortably accommodate Adoven's, House Yitis's and Keira's proposed developments. They will provide a nice balance of new and expanded facilities for Tusk.

"Tusk Council does have some funds available from tax revenue and we will use those funds where we think best, to balance all aspects of this growing city. (OOC: Economy, Stability, Loyalty and Defence)

"The final decision on how we should spend those funds will be influenced by the type of developments that other people propose in the city. As it currently stands, with those three proposed developments, the balance is reasonably sound, although we could certainly support some additional business developments to boost our local economy a little more.

"The mayor's suggestion of a sword school is a sound one in our current circumstances. (OOC: 3BP for a sword school buys +1 Economy, +1 Loyalty, +1 Stability and +1 Defence.) Future upgrade to a military college would have even greater benefits. (OOC: 4BP for a military college buys +1 Economy, +2 Loyalty, +2 Stability and +2 Defence. i.e. the extra +1BP buys +1 Loyalty, +1 Stability and +1 Defence.) We would need to balance it with a small investment into the local economy (eg. Tusk doesn't have a mill) (OOC: a mill costs 1BP and generates +1 Economy). I believe that Tusk Council would have sufficient funds available for a military college and a mill if that proved to be a suitable combination when all other proposals are taken into account."

OOC: At best, a 1BP investment will typically buy +1 Economy OR (+1 Loyalty and +1 Stability) OR +1 Defence. So the sword school is typical value for money, whereas a military college is much better bang for your buck (or should I say, "better bang for your BP").

As it looks like the Council is in a good mood to support development in the city, the half-orc sitting at the back of the room chooses this moment to step forward too.

"Greetings, folks. Some of you know me already but for those who don't, I'm Gedd Roth. There's three of us of the Roth family here in Tusk; me, my brother Wyn and my sister Berta. We own the inn called the Dragon's Den over in the Merchant Quarter. If it's all right with the Council, we'd like to build a brewery there too. That will create good, steady work for a good number of folk and there's certainly plenty of demand for good ale in Tusk.

"I heard House Yitis's offer earlier, too. Wyn, Berta and me, we talked about that sort of thing last night and I reckon we can offer something like the same sort of contribution to one of your Council projects as well, if we get approval for our brewery."

OOC: i.e. a contribution to the tune of 0.5BP

Berta jerks awake as her younger brother gets up to speak, but remembering she's in polite, not to mention important and rather well-to-do company, covers her mouth to conceal a yawn as as she pulls herself upright in her seat, nodding in enthusiastic approval of what Gedd is proposing.

In the aftermath, she looks about the Council chamber ... those in support get a smile from her, those who don't ... well, let's just say she's taking names and keeping score.

“A brewery!” Cass exclaimed. “Finally! We’re saved!”

Andalon looks startled when the mayor of Tusk exclaims so enthusiastically.

Then he smiles and nods.

"I think we can take that as a vote of support. I too see the merit in the Roths' proposal. Their contribution to a Council project, along with that of House Yitis, is most welcome indeed. We just need to decide what that Council project should be."

Henry nods along happily.

“Let’s see if I am up on our resolutions.” Cass said. “The Roths will build a brewery and Keira will build a tavern. I will upgrade the Mithral and Adoven will build a fortified villa and upgrade his warehouse so that his merchant base increases. House Yitis will be establishing a warehouse in Tusk as well. The churches of Abadar and Pharasma are to be upgraded and the temple of Iomedae is to be relocated. In the hinterlands, a horse breeding facility will be added. DELEM will establish a Serai in town, and Henry and Bai will extend their home to a fortified manor.”

“Henry and Tusk will engage in a joint venture to build a guild hall. Tusk will also build a mill and a sword school. A new residential district will be established with homes for the three patrons as well as a watchtower for the district. Am I missing anything?”
This message was last edited by the player at 12:14, Sat 18 Jan 2020.

OOC:

• 5BP for a Guildshall buys +1 Economy, +3 Loyalty, +3 Stability
• 3BP for a sword school buys +1 Economy, +1 Loyalty, +1 Stability and +1 Defence.
• 1BP for a mill generates +1 Economy

Those three give us +3 Economy, +4 Loyalty, +4 Stability and +1 Defence, so we still need another +1 Economy to balance those projects.

OOC: Adoven quietly suggests the creation of a Local Market to pump fresh blood into Trade.
This message was last updated by the player at 14:08, Sat 18 Jan 2020.

"I would be happy to invest in both a warehouse and a  merchant office in Tusk, should the council think it appropriate." Henry offers.

This is  what I take from the various suggestions and proposals so far -  and I will add these to my spreadsheet - then get back to you all with the 'balance' position.

I have published it openly -   so that everyone can see, and comment if I have missed out their proposal.

Dang -  I didn't put Cass and his upgrade for the Mithral in the previous lists ....

I get Economy 50, Loyalty 47 and Stability 48.


Swapping the Mill for a Town Hall would give you Econ 49, Loy 48, Stab 49

"My lord, I've a plan to open a small shop to support spell casters and magic workers, within Tusk," she said to Lord Henry, at an opportune time.

"There's nothing similar there, as I've seen or heard. I'm thinking in the vicinity of the College."    (unless there's some more likely spot)

Putting in my 1 Bean.   Looks like it's already on the chart.

"Ahem." Kendrick looked at Cass, "What was the decision of the council regarding adding additional defenses to the town. It is better to plan ahead, than to react. The men needs resources now."

“Magic is always good to have.” Cass nodded to Alisa and then to Henry. Turning to Kendrick, he added. “The watchtower for the new district will outfit one unit of additional light footmen. The town sword school will provide for an additional unit of footmen, which can be expanded or upgraded once the school becomes a military college or academy. Do you have any immediate plans to expand beyond that?”

In reply to Kendrick Winters (msg # 35):

City Owned defence has raised from 6 to 8

Overall defence has risen from 12 to 17

"So what do you intend to call his new residential district?" Brother Bart asks, his pen held ready to make a note of the name.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:23, Mon 20 Jan 2020.

Cass giggled. “Given that the patrons of the new district have chosen to set themselves apart in an idyllic location away from the rigors of common life, and it suits the theme of Tusk, I think their upscale residences could be considered something of an ivory tower. So I suggest the name Ivory Vale.”

OOC : I am all for opening up new districts as soon as possible, since it does help with zoning. And can be used with a bit of foresight.

As a matter of curiosity, is there a speculated defense number for an area such as New Stetven or Restov as a comparison to where Midmarch currently sits?
This message was last edited by the player at 11:16, Mon 20 Jan 2020.

"A lot of cities do seem to have a well known Noble Quarter, so that does seem a logical choice. Of course, those districts are often nicknamed Nob Hill by the rest of the townsfolk. I don't mind that at all and I think a lot of people would enjoy that very familiar joke, so I would be happy for our new district to be called the Noble Quarter," Andalon suggested.

OOC:  I don't have equivalent values for  any other cities, unfortunately.  However, they aren't (perhaps)  quite so vulnerable as Tusk.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:35, Mon 20 Jan 2020.

In reply to Cass Mordane (msg # 36):

"This is a good start. I am glad that we have set aside construction projects for the defense of our fine city." Kendrick said as he swept his eyes over the map. "I suggest that you set some funds for future projects. I believe that Tusk should also have some light cavalry and ships. In order to ensure that the citizens and business interest are protected, we should expand our patrols to the waterways and roads."

Bart nods approvingly!

"I do have a fondness for city walls," Andalon admitted.

"But first, upgrading the barracks to a garrison would accommodate a light cavalry unit in addition to the existing light foot unit there. That would certainly allow us to patrol the surrounding area more regularly. River patrols may be a little further into the future, but certainly something to plan for."

After checking some figures that Bart passes to him, henry announces, "I am pleased to confirm that Tusk has achieved the agreed criteria for City Status and has a new Cathedral.  As such Cass becomes Lord Mayor, Andalon becomes Treasurer-Dominus while Pipre becomes Councillor-Dominus and Kendrick becomes Marshal-Dominus.  All four of you are now eligible to use the title Lord."

If no one has any other business, I shall close this development thread down.

I am rewriting website Pages ...

Noble Quarter or Ivory Vale?

So far i have one vote for each

*grin* on an interim basis - I have used Ivory Hill -  because it gets both jokes in  :)

and this is what it looks like so far.  Amendments can still be made ...

http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....dmarch:tusktown#tusk

Perfect solution. Love it!

On the TuskFinance.pdf
The Tusk council has Kendrick listed with a mod of 0. That a typo? My uninformed opinion tells me that I should be higher than the Moderator, which has not been filled :)

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That Mod refers to the Stewardship modifier.  However, Marshals and Moderators don't contribute towards that -  Just the Mayor, Treasurer and Councillor.

I have just cleared the cells now -  so they are blank rather than reading 0  :)

Looks good to me, too. I note in your web page on Tusk
http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....n_land:midmarch:tusk
you have said Ivory Hill - A new residential district known as Nob Hill to the locals

Maybe that could be "known as Nob Hill or Ivory Knob to the locals"? And the residents would be "Ivory Nobs". ;o)

And perhaps a hotel built there would be called the Ivory Towers?

done  :)