FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council.   Posted by _ Brother Barthomew.Group: 0
Kendrick Winters
 player, 467 posts
 Marshal-Dominus
 Knight Paladin of Iomedae
Sat 13 Jun 2020
at 16:09
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
In reply to Kendrick Winters (msg # 28):

Kendrick looked confused. "What's so funny? The religions for considerations should be banned. My answer if they should be allowed is 'Nay'."
Alisa D'Medvyed
 player, 287 posts
 Half-elf Cleric
Sat 13 Jun 2020
at 16:39
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Alisa winked at Sir Kendrick, "While I won't presume to speak for him, I think Bishop de Lebeda is just having a little fun with you, good paladin."   

As to her own vote - "I admit readily, my own experience is solely as an itinerant and independent priestess.  It would be easy for me to become passionate about this, and address it strictly from a level of faith, and vote to bar and ban all three wholesale.  However, I don't believe any faith is well served by losing sight of the big picture, and excluding the social, political and other aspects of such a matter."   

"As I said earlier, inspiring grudges and compelling secretive practice could lead to more bloodshed and death.  So, I'm in agreement with the bishop as to Hanspur and Besmara - allow them a small, formal presence; one that can be watched.   And as to Gyronna, I can but repeat what I said earlier, and what others have said:  too twisted and malicious to be allowed any presence."

This message was last edited by the player at 16:41, Sat 13 June.

Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 931 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Sun 14 Jun 2020
at 03:54
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"Ah, forgive me, Sir Kendrick," Andalon replied, sounding genuinely apologetic. "The question we were asked to vote on was 'Should they be forbidden to build places of worship in Midmarch?' Your answer confused me."

"I agree we should ban the worship of evil deities like Gyronna outright."

"However, non-evil deities like Hanspur and Besmara are a different matter. I agree with what Aranel said earlier, building places of worship or openly preaching either of these two should be proscribed. But like it or not, those deities do still exist and I would not blame a fisherman or river trader for privately offering a prayer to appease either of those gods before sailing on the river. I would not wish to see such folk punished for maintaining a small, private shrine on their boat or in their home or office either. Punish them for drowning someone or for acts of piracy, certainly, but not for just looking for some sort of insurance against acts of gods."

DM
 GM, 3755 posts
Fri 19 Jun 2020
at 14:48
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
DeityAllow Ban Limited
Gyronna Andalon, Kendrick, Ethankos, Thaddeus, Aranel, Alisa 
Hanspur Kendrick, Ethankos, AranelAndalon, Thaddeus, Alisa
BesmaraThaddeusKendrick, Ethankos, AranelAndalon, Alisa

That appears to be a resounding ban for Gyronna and a split decision for both Hanspur and Besmara.

I'll leave the thread open for a bit longer, as there are still a couple of PC priests who have not voted.  Each and every priest is allowed a vote, even if it contradicts a vote cast by someone else of the same faith.  There are many ways to interpret any faith :)
~Jensen
 NPC p, 24 posts
 Mordanian
Fri 19 Jun 2020
at 21:47
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Jensen scratched at the scruff on his face. His attempts at growing a beard were failing because his facial hair proved too fine.

I want to say ban them all and be done. But what you say about limited shrines for non-evil deities seems the most fair. I vote to ban Gyronna and limit the others.
_ Brother Barthomew
 NPC e, 40 posts
 NPC - Henry's Chaplain
 Priest of Pharasma
Sun 21 Jun 2020
at 08:38
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Bart looks around the room for other votes, before he says, "That nudges it in favour of banning Gyronna outright and allowing private worship, such as small shrines, for both Hanspur and Besmara.  I will ask Henry to amend the Midmarch Legal Charter accordingly."
DM
 GM, 3758 posts
Sun 21 Jun 2020
at 08:43
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council


New Meeting


_ Borric d'Cordain
 NPC x, 96 posts
 Chief Magistrate
 Paladin of Iomedae
Sun 21 Jun 2020
at 09:01
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Shortly after the previous meeting, Lord Borric calls everyone together again.  "In recognition of our work so far, Henry has suggested that we should build a settlement devoted to the gods, perhaps called Kunlun.  He will donate land for us to use, and has suggested somewhere between Silverton and New Dawn and will, build  a meeting hall for our use.  He invites us to build Shrines, Holy Houses and other such establishments, to make Kunlun a place of pilgrimage for the people of Midmarch.


What are your thoughts on this?  The house of Iomedae is prepared to contribute by building a watchtower, emblazoned with The Inheritor's sword, to act as our shrine."




OOC:
  • Proposed location is Hex 22.
  • Kunlun is the name is a 'home of the gods' from Chinese mythology.
  • Multiple religious buildings of the same type are permitted (so long as they are dedicated to different deities)
  • The hall will be a 'Guild hall' from this page http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....s2:busorgs:societies and you will be allowed to build small shrines as part of the development.
  • You will be allowed to develop 'suitable' shrines.  ie Cayden with a Tavern that incorporates a shrine.
  • Perhaps (eventually) a Library to hold sets of religious books?

Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 935 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Sun 21 Jun 2020
at 15:33
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"In principle, yes, the Cathedral of Abadar would be happy to establish a shrine at the proposed Kunlun site. It will depend upon our other investments to determine whether we can afford to do so this year, of course, but if we can, we will," Andalon replied.
_ Borric d'Cordain
 NPC x, 97 posts
 Chief Magistrate
 Paladin of Iomedae
Sun 21 Jun 2020
at 15:39
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Borric nods.  "We have plenty of time ...".

This message was lightly edited by the player at 15:45, Mon 22 June.

Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 937 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Mon 22 Jun 2020
at 14:51
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Andalon bent his head to listen to something Brother Florin was trying to tell him, then he smiled.

"Brother Florin assures me that we will indeed have the resources needed to establish an Abadaran shrine at the proposed Kunlun site this year."
Alisa D'Medvyed
 player, 296 posts
 Half-elf Cleric
Mon 22 Jun 2020
at 22:51
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
For Alisa's rekindling religion, this was entirely good news.   An opportunity to establish a peer presence amongst the formally acknowledged faiths of the land.

"In general, I think this is a wonderful idea, and support it wholeheartedly.   Though, unfortunately, I doubt my own faith would be able to participate in this year." 
DM
 GM, 3767 posts
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 11:54
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
OOC

So far at Kunlun

  1. Iomedae will build a tower / Shrine.
  2. Henry will build a Hall
  3. Abadar will build a shrine.




You guys may not have noticed the changes I made to the Religious Buildings List. I added a great shrine, which makes for a slightly smoother upgrade path.

http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....eligiouorganisations
Ethankos
 player, 158 posts
 Cleric of Pharasma
 All stories end in death
Sun 28 Jun 2020
at 13:49
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Ethankos listens to his fellow priests discussion for some time before weighing into the conversation.

"A worthy endeavour indeed," he agrees in a low rumble, echoing Alysa's sentiment, "yet if we are to entice pilgrims to this Kunlun, then they will need food and shelter while they are there."

"Those of us who serve the Mother of Souls care for the needs of the living as much as those of the dead ... I believe I might be able to call in some favours and see to the establishment of a tavern, which might one day grow to serve the needs of the many as more shrines are established in Kunlun."
DM
 GM, 3797 posts
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 13:17
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Extra development at Kunlun is now suspended until the next Campaign Round.
~Brother Thaddeus Riverson
 NPCe, 6 posts
 Acolyte of Iomedae
 Domitius Companion
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 14:22
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Thaddeus stood before the council once again a question on his lips. "If I may have a moment of the council's time I wish to know what is the status of religious organisation with regard to the Sootscale Kobolds?  Commonly Kobolds are aligned with the nefarious powers yet we have an enclave in the heart of Midmarch.  To which divinity are they aligned and have efforts been made to bring them to more good aligned dieties?"
Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 961 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 15:17
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"There is a special arrangement with the Sootscale kobolds that is essentially a peace treaty dating back to when their previous, hostile, kobold leader was defeated by some of Lord Henry's folk and agreement was reached to benefit from development of their silver mine. No one from outside is allowed in without permission, so religious missionaries are not able to enter at will and would probably not be tolerated. Those particular kobolds keep to themselves, don't represent a threat to the rest of Midmarch, and are actually an economic and defensive ally of Midmarch, defending a section of our southern border as they do. Lord Henry would not be pleased if any of us stirred up a rebellion by trying to convert those kobolds to worship our human gods," Andalon explained.
~Brother Thaddeus Riverson
 NPCe, 6 posts
 Acolyte of Iomedae
 Domitius Companion
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 16:03
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"Ah, my thanks for the explanation Lord Bishop, however it does bring a few of points up.  We as a council have debated the banning of evil deities within Midmarch, are the Sootscales outside the laws of Midmarch? Also if the church of Gyronna was to build a shrine within the Sootscale lands do we have recourse to take action?  Finally I ask are we not called by our gods to bring light to the darkness?  Civilisation to the barbarians and faith to the wicked?

This message was last updated by the player at 16:03, Fri 03 July.

_ Brother Barthomew
 NPC e, 48 posts
 NPC - Henry's Chaplain
 Priest of Pharasma
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 15:52
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"I'm not." Brother Bart responds quietly.  "The Grey Lady asks that I oppose undeath and bring succour to those who have been bereaved.  But she does not ask me to interfere with anybody else's faith."
Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 963 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Fri 3 Jul 2020
at 17:19
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"Followers of Abadar wish to bring the light of civilization to the wilderness, to help educate all in the benefits of law and properly regulated commerce. To a certain extent there has already been considerable progress towards those goals with the Sootscale kobolds. That is enough for now, particularly if that is the best way to preserve peace and prosperity in our lands.

"At some point in the future you may succeed in persuading Lord Henry that you should be allowed to enter the Sootscale lands to enlighten those kobolds. But until then, we stay out of those lands unless invited in. I think you will find Lord Henry currently has more pressing matters upon his mind and will not welcome such as suggestion regarding the Sootscales."

~Brother Thaddeus Riverson
 NPCe, 7 posts
 Acolyte of Iomedae
 Domitius Companion
Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 03:03
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"Forgive me Bishop but I don't seek action at this time merely to open discourse on the matter.  With the events to our north and south I suspect the treaty is more important than ever.

I'm not really sure that the Light of the Crusader is the best way to begin the process to be honest.  Perhaps a priest of Apsu may be more favourably aligned.

DM
 GM, 3802 posts
Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 09:00
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Built at Kunlun this turn

    Iomedae will build a tower / Shrine.
    Henry will build a Hall
    Abadar will build a shrine.
    Pharasma (Ethankos) will build a tavern (With a view to add a shrine later)

Added to SS

This message was last edited by the GM at 10:31, Sun 05 July.

~Brother Thaddeus Riverson
 NPC e, 8 posts
 Acolyte of Iomedae
 Domitius Companion
Thu 20 Aug 2020
at 11:57
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
My lord Bishop and esteemed clergy of Midmarch and Tusk, given the recent recognition of Tusk as an independent city and the propsed Marcher lords I was wondering if the council will be expanded to include those areas or will it be upto the seperate rulers of those areas to decide whether to accept the rulings of the council?"
Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 1004 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Thu 20 Aug 2020
at 13:08
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
"The Religious Council's role for Midmarch and Tusk hasn't changed, and I anticipate that the same opportunity would be extended to clerics from any future Marcher Lordships sponsored by Midmarch or Tusk," Andalon advised.

"This Religious Council is essentially just an open forum for all clerics from those areas who wish to participate, to discuss religious matters and agree on this Council's position on those matters and the advice to be given by this Council to the Viscount Midmarch, the City Council and those future Marcher Lords. We do not have any legal authority to impose our agreed position on religious matters in Midmarch, Tusk or the future Marcher Lordships; we can only provide advice and trust that they will implement our recommendations as appropriate.

"Theoretically, I suppose if we encounter a problem in future with the way a particular authority is dealing with religious matters we may collectively decide that more direct action is called for. But that is something we will address when the time comes."

_ Brother Barthomew
 NPC e, 50 posts
 NPC - Henry's Chaplain
 Priest of Pharasma
Fri 21 Aug 2020
at 11:00
Re: FUZZY: Midmarch Religious Council
Brother Bart nods as Andalon speaks, then confirms his words.  "That echoes Lord Henry's view of the council as well.  As the Midmarch Religious Council, our discussions and decisions were noted and then passed to Henry for him to decide on what action to take.  In  most religious matters he chose to listen to our advice.  For Midmarch nothing has changed in that respect.

As the good Bishop said, the same will happen in Tusk.  While I hope that Tusk council listen to the views of the council, and I am sure that with Andalon's guidance they will, any decision remain a matter for the council.

Equally, priests from other lordships, such as March-Holds   will be welcome to attend our meeting.  What the Lord, who makes the decisions, decides is their business.  I can foresee a day when we have different religious 'guidelines' in different areas.  But, that is very much the way of the world."