OOC 3.   Posted by DM.Group: 0
Domitius
 player, 422 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 00:40
Re: OOC 3
Marik:
Domitius:
Hopefully Marik has been practicing he's next ;)
Unless he would prefer to retract his statement :)

Definitely not retracting my statement. And definitely not going to be dueling, unless you're okay with me levitating out of your reach and dropping fireballs on your head.


You are aware there are social repercussions for being a coward? Shunned at social occasions, your businesses stop getting customers and that sort of thing.

Dom has a bow and evasion so levitating fireballs inside the salon not so much as a challenge as you think.
Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 1017 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 08:03
Re: OOC 3
I wonder what the social repercussions would be for the sword-master who challenges a mage to a sword duel? The word that comes to mind is laughingstock! ;o)
Domitius
 player, 424 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 08:25
Re: OOC 3
In reply to Andalon de Lebeda (msg # 195):

He should have thought of it before he threw the insult out if he didn't want to be challenged.
Adoven
 Player, 764 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 08:28
Re: OOC 3
What insult was that, by the way? I must have missed it.
Domitius
 player, 425 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 08:50
Re: OOC 3
This bit

Marik:
So that really only leaves two options. As has been stated, Lord Henry's charter comes from the King-Regent and we have all been sworn as Brevic Knights. To side against the King-Regent, then, would be an act of treason for each of us, and perhaps more importantly besmirch our honor."

He turns to Domitius, "If you weren't willing to fight for the crown, you should have never sworn the oath to do so."

Domitius
 player, 426 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 08:53
Re: OOC 3
Marik:
Definitely not retracting my statement. And definitely not going to be dueling, unless you're okay with me levitating out of your reach and dropping fireballs on your head.


Actually if that's what it takes then that's what it takes.
Adoven
 Player, 765 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 08:59
Re: OOC 3
In reply to Domitius (msg # 198):

So, Marik made a simple statement of fact, and in response you challenged Cass to a duel? How does THAT make any sense?

If Dom wasn't willing to follow the oath of the Brevic Knights, why did he so swear?
Domitius
 player, 427 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 09:17
Re: OOC 3
Cass was a different insult, Marik called Dom's word into question now he refuses to back up his statement which implies he doesn't believe it's true.

And you asked that last time, he swore because Henry told him too.  To be honest I must admit I thought it would be Adoven first after all the slights he has given Dom over the course of the game.
Adoven
 Player, 766 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 10:14
Re: OOC 3
To be honest, Adoven doesn't understand what the big deal is concerning 'Aldori Honor'. It just sounds like another excuse to wage war and engage in land-grabbing.
Viktoria d'Lodovka
 Player, 481 posts
 Co-Owner
 V&A Shipping
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 14:13
Re: OOC 3
I got to side with Adoven here, y'all are serious about honour
~Percy Arndell
 NPC p, 441 posts
 Gentleman and Poet
 "Oh. Hello."
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 14:30
Re: OOC 3
Oh, it's the stuff of legends - great tales of fighting against all odds to keep one's honour, struggling for years to regain lost honour, choosing death over dishonour.  The list goes on and on.

Frankly it all sounds rather exhausting ...  :P
Maple
 player, 17 posts
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 15:25
Re: OOC 3
Maple doesn't see it that way, the Aldori sword lords hoarded wealth and power while the less fortunate starved. Where was the honour in that?
Cass Mordane
 Player, 655 posts
 Opportunist
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 16:31
Re: OOC 3
An evil king used evil dragons to conquer the land of the Aldori. Many of the Aldori fled to safety, while those who remained were subjugated by the evil king. Both factions of the Aldori longed for justice and a return to their rightful positions.

Domitius is of the faction of Aldori that remained in Rostland. It was the fleeing faction that set up residence in the River Kingdoms.

Cass grew up a street rat and part of what helped him to survive and thrive were tales of the Aldori and dedicating himself to learning Aldori bladesmanship. But having seen that the reality of the Aldori did not meet the romantic idealism, Cass spoke out against them during the war council. In slurring the River Kingdoms Aldori, Cass inadvertently did not make the distinction between that faction and the Rostland faction. Domitius took insult regarding his family and issued a duel challenge to Cass for the offense.

So, in my opinion, Dom is standing up for idealism and the honor of his family.
Kendrick Winters
 player, 498 posts
 Marshal-Dominus
 Knight Paladin of Iomedae
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 16:39
Re: OOC 3
Of course, thanks for that bit of clarification. I didn't see any of that :)
And Kendrick... probably didn't see much of that either... or the nuances of the different factions. He has um... other factions :)

Duel on!
Marik
 Player, 289 posts
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 18:26
Re: OOC 3
Domitius:
You are aware there are social repercussions for being a coward? Shunned at social occasions, your businesses stop getting customers and that sort of thing.

Dom has a bow and evasion so levitating fireballs inside the salon not so much as a challenge as you think.


So I am more than happy to deal with this in game, but since we're here, here are my thoughts:

1) I supposed it depends on who is going to consider Marik a coward for ignoring Domitius' challenge. From what I'm seeing in the OOC chat, the answer is not many. Domitius has spend way too long in noble court's to think people are going to care that much. Moreover, a quick check of the "Influence in Midmarch" page shows that Marik has a 21 influence in Midmarch and Domitius has a 12. I'm no expert, but that seems like a pretty big difference to me. Finally, I think it's probably a pretty good assumption that Marik's diplomacy skill is much higher than Domitius', so it's probably not a good idea to challenge him in the court of public opinion.

2) I was going to bring up what Andalon stated. It doesn't seem very honorable for someone who has likely trained with a sword since they were a wee child to challenge someone to a duel of blades who has literally never picked one up. Super courageous on Domitius' part.

3) Marik really doesn't care about Domitius' opinion of him. As he stated in the same rant you quoted above, Marik's mother was a whore, he doesn't know who his father is, and he grew up on the street. Honor doesn't mean much to him and he doesn't really care if Domitius (and likely very few others) are going to call him a coward. And again, given his influence in Midmarch I seriously doubt he'll be "shunned at social occasions", and Marik doesn't really have any businesses. Rather, he is one of the more prominent landholders in Midmarch and has a literal monopoly on all iron, gold, and silver mined in Midmarch. I doubt people will refuse to deal with him. Besides, with Marik's social skills, it won't take long for him to turn things around and make Domitius look like a bully.

4) If there was a duel with Marik using magic, Domitius wouldn't be allowed to use his bow. See, the equivalent of Domitius' challenge to a sword duel would be Marik challenging Domitius to a duel of spells...something I'm guessing Domitius wouldn't be very good at.

5) And like Marik (and now Adoven) have said, Marik simply stated the truth. Domitius swore an oath and then said he would not fulfill that oath. Does that mean Marik questioned his honor? I suppose so, but then it's simply the truth. The fact that "Henry told him too" doesn't change the fact that he swore the oath. That's just passing the buck.
Kendrick Winters
 player, 499 posts
 Marshal-Dominus
 Knight Paladin of Iomedae
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 19:10
Re: OOC 3
I'd say let's go IC
DM
 GM, 3966 posts
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 19:15
Re: OOC 3
Personally, I have always wondered what honour there was in challenging someone to a duel with weapons who is unskilled in physical combat?  TBH, That sounds more bullying than honourable.

Of course, as the challenged party, Marik would have choice of weapons  :)  Personally, If I played Marik I would accept a duel and choose spell combat  ....

This message was last edited by the GM at 19:44, Sun 30 Aug 2020.

~Elkin
 NPC e, 23 posts
 Mordanian
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 19:35
Re: OOC 3
It won’t happen until all this grueling dueling business is over, but here is the “pony” Elkin will choose. It is actually a Haflinger horse standing just over thirteen hands.

https://cdn.globetrotting.com....a-Quarter-Horses.jpg

He chose a spirited stallion that he will name Thornberry.
Kendrick Winters
 player, 500 posts
 Marshal-Dominus
 Knight Paladin of Iomedae
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 21:01
Re: OOC 3
Dom how many have you challenged? 3? Is this the making of the three musketeers?
Adoven
 Player, 767 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 21:03
Re: OOC 3
Does this make me Porthos the Pirate? Loved the Oliver Platt rendition of the character.
Domitius
 player, 428 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 21:39
Re: OOC 3
Only the two sorry Adoven, you will have to wait.

I'd be interested to see what the oath was, I could see him swearing to Henry but balking at swearing to Brevoy, still it was early days and Dom wasn't as fleshed out as he is now.  Also I would like to point out he hasn't broken the oath so all Marik has is an accusation of being a traitor not a fact.

We do need to remember as a group that none of you are gutter trash anymore, you're the nobility of Midmarch and people would expect you act accordingly.  I know Dom holds you all to a higher standard than the street sweepings and treats you accordingly.

Marik you are aware Dom was one of your customers, right now he will most likely close the Jewellers down in New Dawn in light of Marik's attitude.

I have been wondering about the whole choice of weapons thing, traditionally the options were sword and gun but we are thinking more 18th/19th century than medieval there.  Back then I think it was more a case of you turned up and fought with what you where comfortable with, Dom would have expected Marik to use his magic in a duel, just as he would have expected to use his sword in the duel.

Also Dom isn't trying to kill anyone, if you want to fight to first touch with practice swords that would suffice honour for both parties.
DM
 GM, 3967 posts
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 22:05
Re: OOC 3
Domitius:
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We do need to remember as a group that none of you are gutter trash anymore, you're the nobility of Midmarch and people would expect you act accordingly.  I know Dom holds you all to a higher standard than the street sweepings and treats you accordingly.
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I have been wondering about the whole choice of weapons thing, traditionally the options were sword and gun but we are thinking more 18th/19th century than medieval there.  Back then I think it was more a case of you turned up and fought with what you where comfortable with, Dom would have expected Marik to use his magic in a duel, just as he would have expected to use his sword in the duel.

Also Dom isn't trying to kill anyone, if you want to fight to first touch with practice swords that would suffice honour for both parties.


However, those rules for Noble behaviour are down to me to decide.  This is not 18th century Europe.  And you have seen MY house duelling rules.  If they are not observed the Duelling Salon will be closed down.  Simples.

Duelling is NOT going to be a major part of this game.  Nor is ongoing conflict between players.  I don't enjoy that as a player and I don't enjoy it as a DM.

If anyone has a  Character who can't deal with that, perhaps it is time to roll a new a new character who can.
DM
 GM, 3968 posts
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 22:26
Re: OOC 3

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DM
 GM, 3969 posts
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 22:29
Re: OOC 3
Hi Guys.  I am back from the weekend - and I still have all my extremities!

I had a great time, teaching a couple of people how to fire a musket on Saturday, then drilling with and fining a battery of cannon.  It is fair to say that the bangs were big, the beer flowed freely and the BBQ was good.
Maple
 player, 18 posts
Sun 30 Aug 2020
at 22:49
Re: OOC 3
mmmmm bbq, you're making a girl hungry DM. Why did I agree to this 3 month liquid diet ;-;