OOC 3.   Posted by DM.Group: 0
DM
 GM, 4606 posts
Tue 23 Mar 2021
at 21:15
Re: OOC 3
No.  Just a big suitcase.

I got accused of stealing a rug from the room in a small greek hotel once. We opened our suitcases to show it wasn't there, and they finally believed us that it wasn't there in the first place.   That was 'interesting' - I have about 6 words of Greek and their English wasn't that good.  It took a while to even work out what the problem was  :)
Cass Mordane
 Player, 796 posts
 Opportunist
Tue 23 Mar 2021
at 21:24
Re: OOC 3
How big a suitcase are we talking here?

Do.Not.Steal.The.Halflings.
Alisa Medvyed-Solanus
 player, 493 posts
 Like the moon, the truth
 does not stay long hidden
Wed 24 Mar 2021
at 02:29
Re: OOC 3
That's hysterical -  though I'm sure it probably wasn't while you were going through it.

Suitcase?   Ha - this is D&D!   A bag of holding will do the trick.   And no worries, won't bag-nap any halflings.   That would just be wrong.

Well, unless one of them's like a really good pastry chef.
DM
 GM, 4607 posts
Wed 24 Mar 2021
at 13:02
Re: OOC 3
Ok -  Stage 2 of Trading and Developing Across Borders has a brief run down of the Towns and Cities that we know a bit about.

http://galinia.org.uk/business-and-trading-reports
Marceline Gray
 player, 283 posts
 Half-Elf Inquisitor
Wed 24 Mar 2021
at 20:55
Re: OOC 3
Something about how of all the things to steal from a hotel, it's the rug that crosses the line and not, say, almost everything else that isn't nailed down, and even then...

It also sounds like a level 1 adventure for new PF players - 'Who's stealing all this stuff from the inns and how?!'
~Percy Arndell
 NPC p, 451 posts
 Gentleman and Poet
 "Oh. Hello."
Thu 25 Mar 2021
at 05:10
Re: OOC 3
And the hotel owners never even commented on that rather heavily woven and oddly patterned suit you were wearing at the time ?   :>
Marceline Gray
 player, 284 posts
 Half-Elf Inquisitor
Thu 25 Mar 2021
at 06:04
Re: OOC 3
You mean my coat of many pockets awkward lumps? It happens to be a family heirloom
DM
 GM, 4613 posts
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 09:30
Re: OOC 3
And my final thoughts on Religious developments ...

http://galinia.org.uk/the-magic-economy
Adoven Lodovka-Sud
 Player, 1003 posts
 AC 22 F+3 R+10 W+3
 Rogue / Bard, HP 45/45
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 09:49
Re: OOC 3
So, no real restrictions on Luxury Stores or Bardic Colleges, since they only produce Minor Magic?
DM
 GM, 4614 posts
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 10:31
Re: OOC 3
In reply to Adoven Lodovka-Sud (msg # 805):

Correct.  Although the majority of the graduates will be Expert/Entertainers, bardic colleges will produce a few bards and a few Adept/Entertainers - who are capable of creating magic items at L3.

Luxury stores buy items in from all sorts of people such as Masterwork Crafters, and minor casters - and there are enough of those around in Tusk/Midmarch to meet your needs.

Did you spot the amendment to the Religious Development rules that allow you to roll back Holy Houses, etc?
Adoven Lodovka-Sud
 Player, 1004 posts
 AC 22 F+3 R+10 W+3
 Rogue / Bard, HP 45/45
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 10:48
Re: OOC 3
No. But it's only if I choose to, correct? Somehow, I think the god of imbibement would be a welcome patron of merchants, as the wine trade is among the most profitable of goods.
DM
 GM, 4615 posts
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 11:29
Re: OOC 3
Adoven Lodovka-Sud:
No. But it's only if I choose to, correct? Somehow, I think the god of imbibement would be a welcome patron of merchants, as the wine trade is among the most profitable of goods.

Only if you choose to.

However, you have to work the religious expenditure so that it compliments one of these ...

Freedom, Ale, Wine, Bravery, Brewers, Vintners, Barkeeps, Innkeepers, Good Adventurers, Chaos, Charm, Good, Strength, Travel, Azata, Competition, Exploration, Ferocity, Love, Lust or Resolve.
Adoven Lodovka-Sud
 Player, 1005 posts
 AC 22 F+3 R+10 W+3
 Rogue / Bard, HP 45/45
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 13:07
Re: OOC 3
What does that mean, 'work the religious expenditure'? And what is Azata?
DM
 GM, 4616 posts
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 14:50
Re: OOC 3
The BP from the magic income  generated by the Holy House needs to be spent on something that fits those categories.

Azata are a sort of Angelic Being -  in this case this is a clerical subdomain that is associated with them.  I would suggest that Good and Azata (in particular) are really difficult to leverage.

The easiest ones to leverage are going to be

Ale, Wine, Bravery, Brewers, Vintners, Barkeeps, Innkeepers and, perhaps,  Travel.

If you build taverns in villages along trade routes (with the Magic Income generated by the Holy House)  you can hit  all of those 'easy' interests.

You can then spend the income from the taverns however you like.
Adoven Lodovka-Sud
 Player, 1006 posts
 AC 22 F+3 R+10 W+3
 Rogue / Bard, HP 45/45
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 15:05
Re: OOC 3
Might it also be spent on vessels like fishing boats, shallops, or mule trains?

Building taverns along trade routes means dealing with local taxes, balancing out Economy with stability and loyalty in those places, and generally spending more than you make out of it.
DM
 GM, 4618 posts
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 16:03
Re: OOC 3
Seeing as Travel is one of his domains -  then yes.
DM
 GM, 4620 posts
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 15:41
Re: OOC 3
I have just added a few more buildings to the Urban Civic developments list.

http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....s2:strongholds:civic

I have to find a way to add some Loyalty to the mix - It is amazing what trying to build a city / city district in one go, can do for you. (you will be able to read about the expanded Restov soon)

I think, perhaps a couple of sporting area type things.  What was it  ... 'Beer and Circuses' to keep the masses happy?
Cyrus Lebeda-Ondari
 Player, 1172 posts
 Lord Ringbridge
 Knight Commander
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 20:59
Re: OOC 3
Theater's? Shopping districts? ooh I know an outlet mall. That seems to work in the US.
DM
 GM, 4621 posts
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 21:18
Re: OOC 3
However, I suspect they are all privately owned, and run for profit, rather than boosting Loyalty to the government / rulers.  They certainly are in this country.
Vova doMedvyed
 player, 108 posts
 It's easy to make a mess
 when you don't clean up!
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 23:30
Re: OOC 3

 It can be a bit of a two-fer. Part of the glut of shopping malls in the US is due to an advantageous tax break that went on for a while.

 And don't forget the virtue of obvious government sponsorship of necessary services - a particularly beautiful example being the sewer pumping stations of London...

 ...no, seriously. Look at this glorious thing:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ness_Pumping_Station
Cyrus Lebeda-Ondari
 Player, 1173 posts
 Lord Ringbridge
 Knight Commander
Thu 1 Apr 2021
at 01:12
Re: OOC 3
Public transit???
Marceline Gray
 player, 288 posts
 Half-Elf Inquisitor
Thu 1 Apr 2021
at 01:22
Re: OOC 3
I mean, as much as Pathfinder seems determined to remain in medieval stasis, there's no real reason why there couldn't be a form of public transport - a rotation of wagons on a schedule doesn't feel too crazy or 'unrealistic' given that Golarion has a half-dozen fantasy concept mashed into a single continent.
Vova doMedvyed
 player, 109 posts
 It's easy to make a mess
 when you don't clean up!
Thu 1 Apr 2021
at 02:28
Re: OOC 3

 Not to mention telecommunications.

 https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Clacks
Cyrus Lebeda-Ondari
 Player, 1174 posts
 Lord Ringbridge
 Knight Commander
Thu 1 Apr 2021
at 02:34
Re: OOC 3
Couldn’t they have a Riverboat? Or multiple boats traveling on a schedule?

And there should be some sort of old school postal service leveraging caravans, wagon trains and horses or magic of some means.
DM
 GM, 4622 posts
Thu 1 Apr 2021
at 07:10
Re: OOC 3
*grin*  Interesting ideas, and some of them are already written into the rules.

To some extent, tax breaks for Shopping Malls and even regular  transport systems are written into the tax rules.  You guys get the lowest tax rate and highest commercial profitability of all  the published areas/towns/cities.
Both have come to prominence (in the real world) with the rise of the Service Economy where countries shift their economic focus from farming and manufacturing towards hairdressing  interior design, the music / film industry (etc) shopping as a leisure activity.  Modern activities that need  peasants / commoners (ie you and me)  to have quite a lot of leisure time and a decent income.    That needs good technology,  long distance transport and communications (or an Empire) that gets you cheap food (etc) from abroad.  Anyway, enough philosophy …  I can go on all day about things like that, I find it fascinating.  If any of you are bored and need something to read -  see if you can find J D Bernal’s Science in History – It has some marvellous examples of technology from across history.  The ancient Greeks (for example)  had a mechanical Taxi Meter that worked out what to charge passengers, according to the distance travelled ..
But, enough of that.  You guys already have the tax breaks for that, built into the economic system.  Really good tax and profitability rates for businesses -  and there are  regular boats, ships, mule trains travelling between the various settlements.

We have sewers as well , actually two different ways of doing it.  Paved streets and good guttering are both possible.  If you look at the map of Tusk http://rp.baileymail.net/lib/e...egion:tusk:tusk3.gif  The sand-coloured districts have paved streets (the rest are just mud streets)  There are rules for surface drains, public fresh water fountains and street lights.

Underground sewerage systems (as per London’s sewers) are much more expensive  as you have to dig (at that is really expensive.    However, that does suggest that Night Soil collectors could be a public service  - and is possibly worth a couple of points of Loyalty.  I would be happy with any ruler who took my Poo away regularly (when there isn’t any sewage system)

As for telecoms, I have been looking in to it  :)   Magically, it is quite expensive, and I don’t trust the Kobolds to run the clacks.  (BTW, I have property deeds for a house in Treacle Mine Road here, somewhere.  That was an Xmas present from my son, a few years ago.)

I think I am tempted to add a ‘Public Arena’ as well -  Both the Greeks and Romans used cheap public entertainment to keep the plebs on-side – and I am sure that I can re-flavour that for Ancient Taldans ….

A stadium  (a nice Roman word)  that can host horse races , foot races, throwing contests, spectacles (such as a Military Tattoo and ‘Animal Hunts’) – Oh, and a regular Scrymball season where district teams compete against each other.  (And no, I am not joking)