OOC 3.   Posted by DM.Group: 0
DM
 GM, 4900 posts
Tue 24 Aug 2021
at 22:00
Re: OOC 3
Okay, first question; it seems that according to these rules you have removed the part of the Leadership feat that allows you to have more total Entourage-Assistants (per your previous modification of the Leadership feat). Is that intended? If so, then does that mean that "all" the Leadership feat gives you now is a cohort? That's not necessarily a bad thing, but does neuter the feat from it's original form.

PCs will still be able to use their leadership score, rather than level when calculating the number of Entourages they can have.  I was being a bit ball-park with my notes etc.

Can entourage allies be advanced to Cohort or minor Cohort through trait or Feat? Do we have to spend 2 bp IN ADDITION to the trait/feat to do so?

Entourage Assistants, Cousins and Allies would be able to develop as Minor Cohorts  (either by feat or trait)  I won’t make anyone pay anything back.  However, if they advance to  Minor Cohort they would still expect to have all the same responsibilities and privileges as before.  (Or be awarded new and better ones)

I would assume you'd have to "repay" the BP the ally brought with them, if by advancing them to cohort or minor cohort you free up an ally slot. Otherwise the trick would be to make someone an ally, then "promote" them to minor cohort, then bring on another ally, and so forth, getting "free BP" every time. number limit.

*grin* everything is manipulable.  However, now we have another way of bringing in outsiders  (Minot Cohorts Trait) -  It might be reasonable to remove the bit that lets you bring in new people as entourage allies/cousins and make it a promotion route for existing Entourage-assistants.  At the same time, restrict it to a 1bp bonus?
~Tic Hucklebuckle
 NPC e, 14 posts
 Hunter and Tracker
 Domitius Companion
Wed 25 Aug 2021
at 00:02
Re: OOC 3
So if the boss set me up with a business of my own how would that work?

ie giving an entourage assistant 1bp to start his own business
DM
 GM, 4901 posts
Wed 25 Aug 2021
at 00:34
Re: OOC 3
It depends on  how it is set up.

Robert, Adoven's Entourage-cousin, is principal of the Lodkova military school and Duelling salon.  Income is spent by Adoven, on behalf of the family.  However, Robert gets the XP associated with those businesses.


Brother Lutz, an Entourage-Ally of Marik, spends his own BP, to the benefit of Clan Stigmar - although that is controlled by Marik/DM together, and always coincides with  Marik's best interests.  However, it also benefits Clan Stigmar and (in this case) the Church of Torag.  Lutz gets the XP associated with the new clan/church businesses as well.

Unless Adoven assigns more 'responsibility' to Robert, he progresses slowly.  Lutz will progress faster, because 'his' holdings are growing. Does that help?
Marik Aeris
 Player, 436 posts
 Lord-Dominus
Wed 25 Aug 2021
at 01:04
Re: OOC 3
DM:
However, now we have another way of bringing in outsiders  (Minot Cohorts Trait) -  It might be reasonable to remove the bit that lets you bring in new people as entourage allies/cousins and make it a promotion route for existing Entourage-assistants.  At the same time, restrict it to a 1bp bonus?</DarkBlue>


I actually like this, but I would also make it so that allies/cousins can't promote to cohorts (perhaps with the exception of those allies/cousins already in game since it's a new rule).

So cohorts could be either new or promoted assistants while allies/cousins have to be promoted from assistants.
DM
 GM, 4902 posts
Wed 25 Aug 2021
at 06:32
Re: OOC 3
Marik Aeris:
I actually like this, but I would also make it so that allies/cousins can't promote to cohorts (perhaps with the exception of those allies/cousins already in game since it's a new rule).

So cohorts could be either new or promoted assistants while allies/cousins have to be promoted from assistants.


Overnight, I had, more or less, come to the same position.  How about ...

Entourage-Assistants - always new L1.
Entourage-Cousins - always promoted assistants (Reward for long service etc)
Entourage-Allies - Could be promoted assistant or could be brand-new BUT with a link  (as in the case of Lutz)
Minor-Cohort - Promoted assistant or could be brand-new
Cohort - Promoted assistant or could be brand-new


No more than one level (automatic) advancement at any promotion.  NO L2 Entourage-assistant to L5 Cohort - But L4 Entourage-assistant to L5 Cohort would be OK.

Cousins and Allies both bring 1bp of investment with them.

Entourage-Cousins (effectively) buy their way into the family with a 1BP investment.  Then their money becomes part of the 'Family Money', but the head of the Family (the PC) is expected to look after them.

Entourage-Allies, however, are different.  It is more of a business arrangement. In that there is something in it for both parties. So far, I have given Entourages a loan from an NPC organisation  (ie Clan, Church, whatever they represent) I quite like the idea of the ally bringing 3bp with them -  1bp from their savings, 1bp as an interest free loan from their clan etc,  and 1bp interest free loan from the PC.


Cohorts and Minor Cohorts don't bring any BPs with them -  BUT they do expect to be  treated  somewhere between the other two?    If you are building a legacy for your family and descendants, they expect to be able to do the same thing (on a much smaller scale) for their families.


Don't forget that Cohorts (and even  entourage-assistants) can be adopted as  'cousins' anyway.  They don't get any extra status, nor any of the Entourage-Cousin benefits,  BUT they add to your growing Noble Family.

For example:  Rikka (who is Henry's Cohort) has been adopted as a cousin, and is now an adopted member of the family.  Henry trusts her (she is treasurer of Midmarch) and she trusts Henry to look after her, and any children she might have.  She is probably due for a 'House' of her own in Tusk soon.  Tib, adopted as an entourage cousin, got (some of) his reward last kingdom round
DM
 GM, 4903 posts
Wed 25 Aug 2021
at 08:14
Re: OOC 3
I haven't added the Cohort section yet, but this is what I have in my head for the Entourage variants.  Then imagine Minor-Cohorts and Cohorts sections on the bottom.

http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....s2:people:entourage2

Major changes in red.
DM
 GM, 4904 posts
Wed 25 Aug 2021
at 10:28
Re: OOC 3
I have just updated the Leadership feat.

http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....inder:fst:leadership
DM
 GM, 4908 posts
Thu 2 Sep 2021
at 10:01
Re: OOC 3
I am back, all safe and sound, I haven't forgotten you BUT I am having trouble getting my head back into the game - at the moment my head is full of cannons, muskets, swords and pirates.

I am a member of the Wimbourne Militia https://www.facebook.com/The-W...tia-328279820640742/  and over the weekend we went to defend Detling against an incursion by the Sheppey Pirates  https://www.facebook.com/SheppeyPirates ...  Which was my first serious event for about two years, thanks to Covid restrictions.

You don't want to meet the Orc-viking-pirates that I have going around in my mind at the moment.  I think I might need to write them down, just to get rid of them.
Cass Mordane
 Player, 810 posts
 Opportunist
Thu 2 Sep 2021
at 10:27
Re: OOC 3
Pirate+Orc+Viking=

Porkling!

Interested to see a write up.

Glad you got back to adventuring. Cannons are always cool.
Kiera Raincutter-Solanus
 player, 347 posts
Thu 2 Sep 2021
at 10:35
Re: OOC 3
If it takes another day, it takes another day.  Besides, sounds like it would make great blog material!
DM
 GM, 4909 posts
Thu 2 Sep 2021
at 13:14
Re: OOC 3
Fjord Orcs

http://galinia.org.uk/fjord-orcs
Marceline Gray
 player, 323 posts
 Half-Elf Inquisitor
Thu 2 Sep 2021
at 18:20
Re: OOC 3
DM:
Fjord Orcs


He's a half orc! (Had to say it, can't be the only one who thought it)
Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 1231 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Fri 3 Sep 2021
at 14:11
Re: OOC 3
Nice work! I'm not looking forward to meeting a shipload of fjord orcs anytime soon. ;o)
~Tobias Lodkova
 NPC e, 17 posts
 V&A Diplomat
Fri 3 Sep 2021
at 15:08
Re: OOC 3
In reply to Andalon de Lebeda (msg # 987):

They're probably pining......for the fjords.....
DM
 GM, 4912 posts
Fri 3 Sep 2021
at 15:12
Re: OOC 3
I should have mentioned that the lead orc-pirate had a Norwegian Blue on his shoulder.
~Tobias Lodkova
 NPC e, 18 posts
 V&A Diplomat
Fri 3 Sep 2021
at 17:51
Re: OOC 3
LOL.....PERFECT!!!!!!
Alisa Medvyed-Solanus
 Player, 532 posts
 Like the moon, the truth
 does not stay long hidden
Sat 4 Sep 2021
at 16:15
Re: OOC 3
Perhaps just contract the name, and call them Fjorcs?

Could make for an ominous scene...

"Trouble up ahead, my friends!  There's a Fjorc in the road."
DM
 GM, 4913 posts
Sat 4 Sep 2021
at 16:31
Re: OOC 3
What? A fjorcing pirate?
DM
 GM, 4914 posts
Tue 7 Sep 2021
at 11:24
Re: OOC 3
It has taken a while for me tom get back to it -  But this is how I envisage Entourages to work in the future. The detail, listed below the 'Old Text' heading, hasn't yet been modified or integrated.

http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....s2:people:entourage2

It is, I think, a more comprehensive and better integrated set of rules.

Comments, as always, will be appreciated.
DM
 GM, 4917 posts
Wed 8 Sep 2021
at 08:25
Re: OOC 3
Whew - Entourages rewrite is finished (I think) - unless you can see any errors or issues.
Adoven Lodovka-Sud
 Player, 1078 posts
 AC 22 F+3 R+10 W+3
 Rogue / Bard, HP 45/45
Wed 8 Sep 2021
at 09:12
Re: OOC 3
In reply to DM (msg # 993):

Does this mean that Adoven cannot promote Robert to Entourage/cohort until Adoven reaches L9 AND Adoven takes that added trait?
DM
 GM, 4919 posts
Wed 8 Sep 2021
at 09:19
Re: OOC 3
Yes.

Although Technically, you could take the Recruits  or Leadership feat and upgrade him that way, if you chose.  However, that doesn't feel like an effective way to do things.

I decided that a development cost (of some sort)  was appropriate if a player wanted to take a 'free' entourage adventuring -  I felt that a Trait was an appropriate cost to  put it on a (reasonably) equal level with the various Cohort granting feats.
DM
 GM, 4966 posts
Thu 14 Oct 2021
at 19:16
Re: OOC 3
Guys, it has been a funny week.  Some of you will remember that I host a weekend long dungeon to celebrate my wife's birthday …  Well that happens this weekend.  Players start arriving tomorrow (late Friday afternoon) and the last one leave sometime Sunday afternoon - in-between we get something like 20 hours of fairly intensive D&D  :)  (Well, Pathfinder now)

Much of the week preceding is taken up with Spring Cleaning and preparing the dungeon (I convert an old AD&D 1 module for their delight and delectation).  However, this time there have been a couple of little glitches.  A minor health related issue, and my printer going kaput on the one weekend of the year I print a lot.  Both of those have been overcome -  and I am well on the way to having a clean house and a converted module, however, I have lost over a day  of prep time.

Unfortunately, you guys have missed out of some of my attention this week and I won't have time to write anything decent before the weekend :(  I will, however, be back with posts to rejuvenate threads after the weekend.
Kiera Raincutter-Solanus
 player, 352 posts
Fri 15 Oct 2021
at 12:17
Re: OOC 3
Hey, no worries- this is your big weekend to cut loose with friends and family and celebrate your wife's birthday (tell her happy birthday from us, too!).  It sounds like you had a few things come up (take care of yourself and make sure that little problem doesn't become something big, yeah? :) ), but that's just life, so no worries.

Don't worry about us- just go relax and enjoy the weekend and the gaming and everything and we'll pick things up afterwards.
Marceline Gray
 player, 335 posts
 Half-Elf Inquisitor
Tue 19 Oct 2021
at 05:32
Re: OOC 3
Testing, I've been having log-in issues.