Domitius gave a slight smile and nodded towards Yasmin thrn raised an eyebrow at the others in the room.

"Agreed. If a senior swordlord must be chosen, Domitius is the best candidate."

"I have no objections to that."

"Nor I. Says as foppish looking man from the back of the room.  "How broadly do you intend to define The Aldori family?"

He pauses for a moment, before realizing that he hasn't introduced himself.  "I am Tomin Hanvaki, a resident of Ivory Hill and an amateur duellist."
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"That is a question that I have been pondering myself. Master Robert who runs the current salon certainly deserves a place at the table.  Though weather he is deemed a full member of a council of duellists or an associate of the Aldori council is yet to be determined.

As to my nomination as Senior Swordlord of the Southern Region I will accept the nomination. and pledge to look after the interests of the council and it's members.  Further I intend o provide a bridge between our Mivonese cousins and the Rostland Aldori.
he pauses and looks around the room for any sign of dissension before continuing "So what are the views of you all, should we include other styles to join our number?"

For a moment, Yasmine looks shocked, then schools her face into a more disciplined pose.  She knew, academically, that Restov was more liberal,  than Mivon.  But that was the first time that she had come across it in practice.

"Mivon does not recognise any of the other duelling styles." she says after a moment or two, "But that doesn't mean we have to follow their lead." she adds hastily.  "Although perhaps, the Title of Swordlord could be restricted to Aldori?"
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"Personally, I practice all three main styles.  The discipline of each as so different, although many will say that they are similar.  I find the changes between the disciplines make my body work differently, and I find that both therapeutic and exhilarating." Tomin adds, the enthusiasm of a dedicated amateur clear in his voice.
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OOC:  This page lays out the various duelling types and how they are (currently) categorised in some parts of the world.  All of you, will have a basic understanding of this as a subject.

However, it will be flavoured by your background  :)


http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....eral:duelling#aldori

We should probably open this thread up to Non Aldori duellists, seeing as we are now discussing them.
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OOC I notice that Magic Hand style is not mentioned, as it is a variation on the Modern, Light blade style. Was that an oversight, or is it held in such low esteem that Aldori duelists will not acknowledge their existence?

OOC:  I wrote that page a couple of years ago, to cover the broad schools of Duelling.:)  There are sub-schools and styles  of each duelling type.

For example -  the Aldori Duelling School has the Swordlord Archetype, the Defender archetype and  the Swordlord Prestige Class.  All of which could be considered styles or sub-schools of the Aldori Technique.

However, in some areas (such as Restov), it is possible to gain Swordlord status without following any of those styles/sub-schools - and inventing a technique of your own.  In that case, the requirement is that you duel to a high standard using a Duelling Sword.  :) Note that the Khavatorov and The Mivon families restrict training to their own houses -  and each house might follow a slightly different style.

The same is true of the Modern style - but there are probably more sub-styles than any other school.  There is the classic Rapier style  (just one rapier) - a Dual Wield style -  often a Rapier and Duelling Dagger  (although it could be  Short Sword and Dagger etc) - Mage Hand is just another variant / sub-school / style of the Modern Duelling Tradition.

The Traditional Duelling Tradition, is a bit more fixed in its ways, perhaps because it was started as a military style.  There is one main style (taught through the archetype) although there is a feat that makes a sub-style.   Which is, Perhaps, looked down on slightly by the older, more traditional members of this Duelling Tradition.

“Perhaps those who do not meet the Aldori requirement may be awarded the title of Master Duelist instead at some point,” Cass suggested. “If a guild is implemented, it could be termed a duelist guild to separate it from an Aldori council. Or two guilds formed, one for Aldori and one for other duelist forms. These are merely suggestions and I defer to the Aldori in this endeavor. As I would not be granted the title of Swordlord, it may be more prudent to have me only in the duelist category. Although I plan to continue with my training and have no desire to relinquish my own Aldori sword for a different blade.”
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OOC:  Been playing with the RP duelling rules a bit, straightened them out and modified them for sub-styles etc.

Let me have your thoughts

http://galinia.org.uk/duelling-2
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OOC :


The Defensive Style (Duellist feat) Is this the combat feat Defensive Weapon Training or something only from the Defender archetype?

OOC:  In that specific case, just the Defender Archetype which is specifically Aldori in flavour.  :)

However, that is a  generally useful feat for all duellists, and might be worked into something that gives Master Duellist status.  However, the Aldori in Southern Region (ie the Aldori in this thread)  might decide to accept it as part of a route to Swordlord.  As always, you players are in control of this side of the game :)   However, if the bar is set too low, Restov and Mivon might object.

"My own house is more pragmatic than some in Mivon. We train our guards to fight with the Duelling Sword and a Buckler, however, we know that would never be accepted on the duelling table.  But the Yitis family members who we train as guards, are never likely to be able to take the Aldori name.  We are more rigorous with those who show an aptitude for a duelling.  But those guards are still part of our Aldori family, in the same way that the troops sent out to as mercenaries are."  she shrugs lightly, as she puts the Yitis family position.

“There seem to be three aspects at play here.” Cass continued to offer his opinion in hopes of being helpful, although it seemed more and more that he was more than slightly removed from the Aldori themselves. “Puissance, politics, and prestige. The Aldori as lords encompass the benefits and responsibilities of the political arena. The duelist is concerned with his or her puissance in dueling, and some seek more so to be able to be recognized with a bit of prestige for their efforts.”

“Although I am honored by the title of Lord Mayor, I am not technically a noble. Nor do I have the full requisites or abilities to garner the term swordlord. Neither do I have the full requirements to be considered a Master Duelist as my skill level will most likely remain in the novice category. This is of little concern for me as titles are not necessarily my forte. But, as in the example of the guards who serve the Aldori, it would be a honor to hold some form of specialist title. I am not sure this is a matter for an Aldori council, but may be a matter for the establishment of a guild or guilds, if one wanted to make a distinction. A title of Partisan or Legionnaire perhaps with a corresponding Partisan’s or Legionnaires guild or guild subset? Such things may be of no consequence, merely my diplomatic nature at play.”
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Ï don't think there is an issue Lord Mordane with students or indeed those who dabble with the Aldori form becoming members of the guild if indeed we should open one.  I think we are looking towards those who would have a seat upon the council that should oversee the training in the Aldori styles and perhaps other styles as well.

I do believe we have no need to issue titles other than Swordlord where appropriate.
 The main work of the council will be to ensure that those seeking such a title are worthy and those who seek to train others are skilled enough with a blade that they cause more good than harm.  We would also look to settle disputes between schools and formalise duelling practices.

Does anyone have an other suggestions for the council's duties? Domitius said to the assembled group.

Yasmin nods at Dom's suggestion, then adds "I think, perhaps, the first thing we should decide is whether we want to include other styles of duelling. If so, we should invite the masters of those traditions to join us. I always forget the other styles, they don't feature in Mivon." She says with a slightly apologetic look.

Then she addresses the matter that is he primary concern, "We have a clear precedent, from both Mivon and Restov, for leadership within Aldori duelling and training - and we have a Swordlord from each tradition who can form the nucleus of a local Aldori council.  I assume that we will discuss, between us, those candidates who are put forward for Swordlord status, and come to a mutual decision on their status." and there is a slightly questioning tone as she glances across to Dom.  "We have three potential candidates, who might put themselves forward soon.  Barbatius Scaurus, Domitius's friend and a student of the Restov style.  My cousin, Borya Yitis who is a student in the Mivon traditions and Minia Dosalic, who is largely self-taught.  Borya will, eventually, be responsible for our new sword school in Shrikemouth, so it is important that we all accept his credentials to teach." she finishes  with a  reason for moving fairly quickly on the matter.


OOC:  As far as I can see - Teaching Duelling, we have

• Adoven's Duelling School in  Tusk (and possibly his academy) under the  leadership of The Modern Style (Adoven and Robert)
• The Yitis School, which will Teach the Aldori Duelling Style (to a limited number of Students) along with more mundane military skills suitable to house and Marine Guards
  I assume that Dom will build a training establishment, at some point.

Other than that, I think all the other Sword Schools train soldiers, guards and mercenaries.  Although I am will to be corrected.
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“Senior Swordlord,” Cass was pleased to acknowledge both Domitius’s new title and his new role. “It seems that you have a clear vision of how you would like to proceed. I believe the Aldori Council is in good hands.”

Cass had not meant to suggest that the Aldori Council was responsible for duelists outside its own ranks, but Dom had suggested a guild as well and Cass thought that separation could be nurtured without incident. But Cass was not always best at expressing himself, despite sometimes being gifted in just that. As he had expressed, his standing within the Aldori was that of a novice and not likely to change anytime soon. He would have felt forward making any more suggestions, even if he had any, considering that it had become apparent that while he might have been a good fit for the council under different circumstances, that he really did not belong among them.

It was more of a courtesy, really, to be invited to participate. And Cass wished them all the best moving forward, but he thought it best to say little more until he was dismissed.

Domitius nodded towards Cass, "My thanks for your wisdom Lord Mordane, you have gien us more to think on.  I do believe we should offer masters of other styles a position on the council and if they prove themselves worthy then I would invite them to take the title of swordlord and stand amongst us as equals. The Aldori name though we shall reserve for those who follow the Aldori way. Is this acceptable Yasmin?" he asled the other Swordlord in the room.

Tomin interrupts before Yasmin can speak  "I believe the preferred title in Restov and New Steven, now, is Duelling Master, with the honorific Master, if it is required."  he pauses for a moment, and then adds "Having seen Lord Adoven practising at the school in Tusk, I believe that he is at that level, although I am not really a practitioner of the Modern School."  With an apologetic glance across at Cass, he continues  "I haven't really seen anyone else there practising as hard, or in the same way ...  although decisions of that type, clearly, rest in your hands, not mine."
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Yasmin looks surprised as Tomin cuts in, but refrains from taking him to task.  Eventually, she nods along with his comments.  "I see no problem with a broader guild of duellists, perhaps with Masters from the other traditions?  I don't think calling Masters of other styles Swordlord would go down well in Mivon  ...  and each tradition would have to be responsible for their own promotions and behaviour."

So where re we going with this?  Shall I announce a Duelling Council - or an Aldori Council when I close down the campaign round?

"Very well an Aldori council then with seats for the leaders of each tradition or school.  In addition we shall sponsor a broader guild of duellists to which other swordmasters may aspire to a position. How does that sound? Domitius asked

I think we gp with an Aldori council for now at least.

Both Yasmin and Tomin, nod their agreement.

Would you like me to open a Duelling Council thread -  which allows Adoven (and Robert) to have a say?