We have been distracted -  Currently I have .....

• Pave the streets in central.
• Iomedae's Sword School in Central
• V&A Sword School in merchant
• Abadar's bank in Merchant
• Cass Hotel in merchant

That gives:   Econ 24, Loyalty 24, Stability 25

With Kendrick added to the council you now have a variance of 2

If i expand jetty to pier that adds 1 Economy.

After paying back Cass I have a bp, the improvements I would like to make to my business would up Economy by 1. I wonder if we can swing this? We could balance it with a .5 bp civic property pretty easily. Put a public bath next to the brothel? lol.

Brother Bart looks scandalized at the thought of a public bath next to the brothel, but still points out that, if you permitted both expansions, you would still be within your variance limits.

He also indicates that you still have 1.8 bp in taxes left to spend. (plus two beans, if you need them)

Spending 1.5 bp and 1 bean, would create a new district and add a watch tower. and leave you with 0.3 bp and one bean.  Or you could wait for a round and do it with the promised donations.

What other positions add to variance limits?

In reply to Adoven (msg # 178):

Moderator of Churches - But you are running out of lawful Clerics to fill the role  :)

I don't object to Pipre and Adoven's expansion plans.

We need to add the watchtower to bring the city controlled defence up to 4 or we can't have a Marshal.

Adding the 4th district brings us up to Small City status with associated benefits for people wanting to buy or sell more expensive items.

I vote yes to all of the above.

Yes from me.

Wonders if he will be fired in the first Kingdom turn. ~sitting on a bubble~
8^)

Due to a last moment donation from Percy, V&A may have the resources for a bolder move than I had originally planned. If I'm right, I would be deferring the building of the sword school by a turn, but upgrading the Jetty to a Pier (+1 bp gaining +1 Econ), upgrading the warehouse to a large warehouse (+1 bp gaining +1 Econ), buying a Trade ship (3 bp plus whatever surcharge Mivon will ask) and having anywhere from 0-1 bp for civic improvements THIS turn. If Mivon charges more than I expect for a large ship, I would instead be expanding my local base in Ringbridge to a Town base, and constructing a large boatyard in Tusk this turn (+2 bp gaining +2 Econ) this turn, with nothing left for civic projects this turn.


But if it is too late for that, I'll stick with the sword school and stick with marginal expansions in both Tusk and Ringbridge.

OOC:  Although I applaud your vision and rules insights, I would rather you stuck with sword school and marginal expansions  for this round. :) I have loads of Spreadsheet work to do, without revisiting all the Tusk bits again.

Thoughts for future civic development
This link was very helpful in terms of knowing that we have magistrates :)
http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....idmarch:midmarcharmy
Which lead to my thoughts, we will need a Courthouse and a Jail at some point :)

You already have a jail, located in Central District.

In reply to DM (msg # 184):

In addition to the sword school, Can I add a large boatyard AND expand the jetty to a pier without upsetting the Econb/Stabil/Loyal balance?

Those two improvements add +3 Economy,  and make us no longer dependent on Mivon for naval vessels.

Can someone remind me what the beans do again?

Speed up construction? I am pretty curious what they do in narrative. Make everyone work harder?

In reply to Adoven (msg # 188):

They count as -0.5 BP for development of a building.

Ghost spiders help you build ;)

http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....s:start&s[]=bean

In reply to Zelona (msg # 190):

Now we need someone to research and create a Greater Bean that grants 1BP :)

In reply to Kendrick Winters (msg # 191):

Hah! Well I'm thinking about Craft Wondrous for her 5th level feat, but I'd need a Sorc/Wizard with a couple of spells to get about crafting even this version, then I could try to research a greater version, but I bet it would be very costly!

Andolon, if a bean can be put towards a large boatyard, I have 0.5 bp to put towards public works. I can bump that to 1.5 bp if need be, counting some of that as credit against my next expansion. I could even set up a LOCAL MARKET (1.5 bp) to add Stability.
This message was last edited by the player at 09:26, Wed 13 Mar 2019.

I like ghost spiders ....

To get to city Status -  you need to have  at least 61 (size) of buildings.  Which is 3 FULL Districts (plus one)  You currently have 37^* (size) of buildings at present.  You need a fourth district to achieve city status, but you don't get it until the building size count gets to 61.

*  As at the last update of my Spreadsheet -

I take it that a large boatyard is 2 building spaces, a large warehouse is 2 spaces, a jetty is 1 building space, etc?

Yep

New district 4 (Cost 1bp, +0 Economy, +0 Loyalty, +0 Stability, +0 Defence)
Watchtower in district 4. (Cost 1bp, +0 Economy, +0 Loyalty, +0 Stability, +1 Defence)
That still gives:   Econ 24, Loyalty 24, Stability 25 (variance = 1)

Adoven: upgrade Jetty to Pier (+1 Economy)
Pipre: unspecified business improvements (+1 Economy)
Pipre suggested Tusk Council provide: Public baths (Cost 0.5bp, +1 Loyalty)
That would give:   Econ 26, Loyalty 25, Stability 25 (variance = 1, or variance 2 if Council doesn't invest in public baths).

Adoven's wish lists all involve more Economy:

• Deferring the building of the sword school by a turn (-1 econ, -1 loyalty, -1 stability, -1 defence), but upgrading the Jetty to a Pier (+1 bp gaining +1 Econ), upgrading the warehouse to a large warehouse (+1 bp gaining +1 Econ), buying a Trade ship (3 bp plus whatever surcharge Mivon will ask) and 0-1 bp for civic improvements (at best +1 loyalty, +1 stability). (At best net change is +1 economy, -1 defence; at worst +1 economy, -1 loyalty, -1 stability, -1 defence); or
• Expanding my local base in Ringbridge to a Town base, and constructing a large boatyard in Tusk this turn (+2 bp gaining +2 Econ)(net change is +2 economy); or
• In addition to the sword school, Can I add a large boatyard (cost 2 bp gaining +2 Econ)AND expand the jetty to a pier (cost 1 bp gaining +1 Econ)(net change is +3 economy)

Basically someone needs to spend 1bp in something like civic projects or religious organisations to get +1 loyalty and +1 stability to offset each extra +1 economy. Just spending 0.5bp on them only gives a +1 in stability or loyalty, not both. Sorry Adoven, it is just not going to stack up this time. We may have reached the point of saying you have to invest 1 bp in civic projects for each 1bp you want to invest in commercial developments (i.e. anything purely 'economy').

In future turns I plan to expand the Temple of Abadar further, which will help free up some more potential for other business investors but I think we should plan to use that to encourage new start up business investors rather than helping make the rich even richer. I don't even think we should use our last building bean as the 0.5bp for Pipre's suggested public baths. We should save it to put towards urban upgrades like a district wall for Port Henry, preferably with a business investor chipping in the other 0.5bp for that sort of project.

How about this? I have 6 bp to spend in addition to repaying Safiya.
I get the Sword School. 3 bp, providing +1 Econ, +1 Stability, +1 Loyalty, +1 Defense.

I get a large boatyard (normally 2 bp, but with a bean is 1.5 bp), gives +2 Econ

With 1.5 remaining bp, which I put into public works (which I think can result in +1/+2 Stability or Loyalty) or a Local Market (+1 stability?)