Ladies and Gentlemen .....

Today we enter the building phase of the game - every PC (primary or Secondary) who has taken part in adventuring so far  gets 1 BP to spend according to these rules ....  http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....mpaign_systems:start

Most of you have seen the rules before -  I am happy to give you as much Guidance/Advice  as you want or need.  That is what this thread is for :)

Just remember -  who ever is running the stronghold need to maintain a balance between Economy, Loyalty and Stability.

I've only been involved in social events so far. Does Adoven still have a BP to spend? And a quick perusal of those rules show me how to EARN BP, not how to spend it. Is there a different rule set for that?

Adoven the Character has been involved previously - although you (the current player) hasn't.

Spending BPs is easy.  Each section has a list of Building Developments -  for each BP you have,  you can develop buildings  worth 1000gp or less.  (any excess is lost and passed to the host settlement to develop social buildings)

You have to get permission from  whoever controls the area before you build there though.  Sometimes they might charge you a BP or  more for the privilege of building in their settlement.  However that is only likely if you want to build something with a high economy and low Loyalty / Stability.   The Stronghold owners have to keep Economy, Loyalty and Stability in balance - or else bad things start to happen in town :)

It is the start of this phase -  so people have enough for one small business.  But there will be more BPs later and people will be able to grow and develop they holdings.

If anyone does not want to spend the BP now -  Henry will use it now and you can claim it back later.

He can have Jicca's

Others are welcome to build in Ringbridge but I do think the goal would be to build up the Fort Stag area at least initially.

Percy will cede his 1BP to Henry too.  While a magnificent trading empire would be nice, that requires suppliers, supplies and customers so building up the infrastructure/population at this end of the chain would be a smart business move.  :>

I intend to build either a Tannery or a Craft Workshop in the capitol city.

I am looking at the progression of religious buildings.

eg. Shrine (600gp) -> Chapel (1600gp) -> Temple (4900gp) -> Minster (8700gp) -> Cathedral (13700gp)

Presumably there would be similar progressions in other types of infrastructure.

Can you start at the smallest one and progressively develop it? Is the cost to upgrade from one to the next just the difference in costs or is there some penalty involved?

I suppose if we are using build points (1BP = 1000gp) and lose the loose change each time that would be the penalty for progressive upgrading.

Can a character chip in some cash to make up the difference instead of only using build points? eg. If he had it, could Andalon use 1BP and 600gp to build a chapel?

Spot on.   You can progressively build in a sensible chain, such as the one you described.  And the penalty is the loose change you donate to help run the town/ city - although some upgrades  don't incur much of a loss.

Nothing to shrine.  Costs 1bp - Contribution to  general city development = 400
Shrine to Chapel.  Costs 1 bp  - Contribution to  general city development = 0
Chapel to Temple.  Cost 4bp -  Contribution to  general city development = 700



Not at the moment - Although the building 'value' is in measured in GP there is no direct corelation.  One BP is nominally worth somewhere between 4000 and 6000gp and represents a mixture of all sorts of things.

Once things are settled in and we have worked the wrinkles out of the system -   we can look at it again.

Hmm, any progression for a school of visual arts? Would it just count in a same way as a religious building?

This page covers 'Organisations such as churches and schools.  http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....:organisations:start


You can flavour Schools / Colleges / Academies  in anyway you like - Sword schools are for expensive because they  add to defence.

Or you can build a Shrine / Chapel / Temple (etc) dedicated to Shellyn -  and  flavour it with this trext from the wiki ...


Nor is there anything to stop you combining a School (of Art), A shrine or chapel to Shelyn and a Museum (of art works) to build something unique.

I am happy for people to be creative :)

Speaking of 'creative', would it be possible to secure a Loan of 0.2 BP from Vik's merchant family? Between us, we can start a merchant venture with a jetty and 1 fishing boat for 2.2 BP, and we only have 2 BP between us. We can pay it back with interest of 50% within a few months, I think.

Nope  :(  That isn't possible for a number of reasons.  Some of which you might like to ask Vik about :)


I gave this answer to Andalon earlier



There really isn't a correlation between GP and BP.

One solution might be to borrow a BP from one of the other PCs -  who don't want to build at the moment.  They might be prepared to take interest in cash rather than BPs.

You might be able to borrow cash from The Bank of Free Restov or the Temple of Abadar (if you needed it to pay interest)

That would give you enough to buy two jettys and the fishing boats.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:28, Mon 06 Nov 2017.

Putting BP in perspective.

BP is not money -  nor does 1 BP relate directly to a given amount of money.  1 BP might consist of a load of timber, the labour of a few dozen workers, a spell or two from the local cleric, The local Lord’s good will, food to feed your workers and something to pay them with.  And for these settlers they want paying in land, rights, jobs and opportunity.

If you build a Jetty (for example) – you source the wood and stone from somewhere, some rope, large bolts, nails,  building tools etc.  You have made work for quarrymen, a smith or two, wood cutters, rope makers etc.  Then you need workers to actually build it.

Afterwards the workers might move out into the countryside (to some land Henry has said you can use) and set up small holdings.  A few more turn into fishermen -  perhaps building themselves coracles or small boats or even just fishing from the Jetty.  Their wives clean the fish, etc.  Still others hang around and find casual labour somewhere.

So really BP is ‘The Economy’ – and  the number of BP you have represents the amount influence you have over the economy of the nation.

Another time, 1 BP could represent the resources you need to build something completely different – and the knock on effect you have to the economy.

I really love the way that you've explained BP here. It makes a lot more sense as opposed to the conversion of gold to BP.

Cyrus and Valoria will endeavor to aid others in future developments in and around Ringbridge with any leftover "value" we have from our own BP as we invest in Ringbridge ourselves. So if someone wants to build a Jetty now, I can promise that I will aid in whatever way I can in the addition of a ship or other upgrade later :).

Well now, Ron here is a licensed carpenter and is hanging around Oleg's. I am pretty sure he can be talked into helping.

I'm definitely planning for a library in town. Mariam needs her romance novels.

Ron -  please feel free to move yourself to any of the location threads, if you want to pick up some RP.  There willbe another Location thread opening up later for the Fort Stag area -  or what ever we call it.

Mariam - Cool.  You need to pop into the the Fort Stag development thread (that is where I anticipate the largest  settlement to be)  and take part in that debate.  Currently there is a discussion about Naming the area am and electing a Mayor to run it for you.

In reply to Cyrus Lebeda-Ondari (msg # 15):

Adoven and Vik had planned to start a merchant venture with a Jetty and 2 fishing boats. Problem is, that costs 3.7 BP, and we only have 2 BP between us.

*grin* I know.  I read your PMs.

A jetty costs  700
a pair of fishing boats cost 1500

Total 2200 - leaves you 200 short.

Now, if you were to Borrow another BP from one of the  other PCs  you would have 3bp  - That would allow you to buy a second Jetty (in a different settlement)

2x Jetty - 1400
fishing boats - 1500

Total 2900 - with 100 left over (for the two settlements to fight over)

You might have to pay them interest of course ...


Like everyone else, you have to start slowly  :)

In reply to DM (msg # 20):

Valoria will loan Adoven and Vik 1 BP so they can get started. No interest, just build one of those Jetty in Ringbridge. Pay her back next turn(or soonish). :)

"Wilbur will draw papers, just sign on the line."

In reply to DM (msg # 20):

Could have sworn that it was a single fishing boat for 1500, but if you're offering a BOGO deal, we'll take it....

Valoria, I'll have to consult with my partner, but that sounds like a great deal.

In reply to Adoven (msg # 22):

from the descriptions section at the bottom of the page :)



Your 1500 gets you two fishing boats and makes work for fishermen/Sailors to run them - as well as homes for them, their wives and families.

Boats (ships, caravans and Mule trains) are more expensive than many other developments because they have a much higher rate of return.  However, you need to have the basic set up - ie Jetties, Docks of Serai  before you can use them.

As there are restrictions on the numbers of each development that can be built in a settlement -  Adoven and Vik could have river-borne trade between Ringbridge and Tusk Town sewn up for a while  :)

In reply to Valoria Lebeda-Ondari (msg # 21):

@Adoven, Vik - when you get around to it, if you wouldn't mind declaring your interest in building the Jetty in the Fuzzy: Ringbridge thread: link to a message in this game  it would be greatly appreciated.

@Cass - if you decide to build a Tavern in Ringbridge as well, please post it there as well. That way we know what we have to work with!

In reply to DM (msg # 23):

So, the two jetties in Tusk Town and Ringbridge either do not add BPs to each city or add +0.50 BP per turn, and the fishing boats add +1 BP to Viktorian Enterprises?

From what I understood(which may be wrong)  boats, ships, mule trains and caravans  don't add their economic point to the stronghold economic value. You(and your partner) profit from these things only.

However, jetties(docks, or any building, etc) do add to a stronghold's economic value. You profit more by owning it, but the stronghold also gets to tax it. Jetties and the like are kind of a win/win for both you and the stranghold. :)
This message was last edited by the player at 23:14, Wed 08 Nov 2017.

Speaking of which, Lady Valoria... do you wish repayment of your BP, or are you investing? Whereby you are involved in develop,ment?

I would like to RP that in the "Location: Ringbridge" thread. Leaning towards investment. :)

In reply to Adoven (msg # 27):

Actually, after looking over the numbers, I am going to need repayment of the BP.  Going to build the first district to upgrade the village to a city next turn.

Would you still be open to investment after a few turns down the road? We(Val and Cyrus) just need to get our ball rolling is all. :)

In reply to Valoria Lebeda-Ondari (msg # 29):

I'll speak to my partner about offering investment opportunities to select clientele.

*grins* I would remember that Valoria hasn't helped you build the jetty in Ringbridge yet,  while Val and Cyrus have the right to refuse you permission to build anything in Ringbridge. :)

That Extra BP (at this point) makes it possible for your shipping company to get established , and start making a profit, very quickly.  A 2bp company is a lot less profitable that a 3bp company :)

Marik, nice grab on the mine! I don't think I realized that there was such a great resource so close!

Yeah, I actually started talking to the DM about it before I knew anyone was taking the Orcy Ring/Ringbridge. I'm not sure how successful it'll be, but I thought it would be fun to work with the kobolds.

In reply to Marik (msg # 33):

A very nice grab. I thought working with the kobolds would be very cool, every since Valoria had her first conversation with them. I envy you Marik. Very cool. :)
This message was last edited by the player at 05:13, Fri 10 Nov 2017.

For what it’s worth, it makes sense to me to have a number of small settlements that are close to each other and connected. That’s how it works best historically :). Eventually we’ll all turn into one big city, but that will be generations from now!

As long as everyone is playing this to benefit the common good of MidMarch we’ll all do great!

As in RL -   Marik was actually in the Kobold den and saw the opportunities. :)

As Valoria asked us to build a Jetty in Ringbridge I presume we have the land owner's permission?

In reply to Adoven (msg # 37):

Indeed you do. :)

In reply to Adoven (msg # 37):

Ah, my point was that Val could withdraw permission if you started messing about with loan repayment deals   :)