OOC2   Posted by DM.Group: 0
DM
 GM, 3828 posts
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 10:43
Re: OOC2
Magna Carta inspired  :)
Cass Mordane
 Player, 585 posts
 Bard/Sword Scion/Diplomat
 My Sword Sings
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 10:50
Re: OOC2
It seems that you have done quite a bit of research to arrive at this conclusion. Which means I must research to keep up. Fun stuff.

This message was last edited by the player at 10:50, Wed 15 July.

DM
 GM, 3829 posts
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 12:22
Re: OOC2
Cass, think of the very earliest version of Magna Carta, mixed up with concepts from the Hanseatic League, with overtones of the early Holy Roman Empire :)

The group 0 map has been updated, as has the page on Politics in Brevoy http://rp.baileymail.net/doku....revoy:start:politics
Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 978 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 13:00
Re: OOC2
Henry:
While I may consolidate Midmarch's position, I cannot expand to the south.  I am, however, ’encouraged’ to develop to the east, as far as the river

Is that 'east' a typo? Is it meant to be west toward the river, meaning as far west as the edge of Lake Hooktongue, as outlined on the Main Game Map?
Cass Mordane
 Player, 586 posts
 Bard/Sword Scion/Diplomat
 My Sword Sings
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 13:09
Re: OOC2
In reply to DM (msg # 977):

Such a setting of checks and balances among strong and independent nobilities is the best for political intrigue gaming. Too bad I don’t get to play out that part in about a 6 hour weekly session of tabletop gaming.
DM
 GM, 3830 posts
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 13:21
Re: OOC2
Andalon de Lebeda:
Is that 'east' a typo? Is it meant to be west toward the river, meaning as far west as the edge of Lake Hooktongue, as outlined on the Main Game Map?


Yes.  I'll change it.
Cass Mordane
 Player, 588 posts
 Bard/Sword Scion/Diplomat
 My Sword Sings
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 13:25
Re: OOC2
Now to conquer the south and become King of the Kamelands, Joe Kamel!
Adoven
 Player, 719 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 14:51
Re: OOC2
With Henry elevated to Baron, does that mean that if I expand my Defense values to 10, he has the authority to appoint property-based titles?
DM
 GM, 3831 posts
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 14:55
Re: OOC2
Interesting  question.  He certainly has the ability to do that within the borders of Midmarch.  Probably not within Tusk.

Gold Job you got your Dominus def points in before the change ...
Adoven
 Player, 720 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 15:18
Re: OOC2
So Midmarch cannot extend South, but Tusk (as an Independent City-state Can? So we can expand to include the Mudbowl and Tower if we so wish?
Andalon de Lebeda
 Player, 979 posts
 Bishop at Cathedral of
 Abadar in Tusk City
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 16:26
Re: OOC2
The Independent City of Tusk is granted rights to the land that surrounds it. According to the map that includes all of the Tuskwater Lake but doesn't extend to the hexes of the Mudbowl and Lake Candlemere, where the island with the haunted tower is located.

Nobody has been given rights to those southern areas yet, so they are still up for grabs. Tusk will have its hands full with the lands it has been given rights to, at least for the next few years/turns.

So, do you fancy setting up a fortified stronghold on that haunted island, Adoven? Lord Adoven of Candlemere has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Wouldn't that put you in a lovely position to control and protect your southern trade route between Tusk and Mivon?
Adoven
 Player, 721 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 16:48
Re: OOC2
It would indeed.
Cass Mordane
 Player, 589 posts
 Bard/Sword Scion/Diplomat
 My Sword Sings
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 17:17
Re: OOC2
Interestingly enough, I was going to suggest that Adoven might be interested in cultivating some land closer to Jovvox. My understanding is that in doing so, he will be allowed all the privileges of a Marcher Lord. Which is basically autonomy of rule, but fealty to Brevoy.
Adoven
 Player, 722 posts
 HP 40 AC 20 F+2 R+9 W+2
 Rogue / Bard
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 17:30
Re: OOC2
Possibly a Fortified position overlooking the channel between Candlemere and Tuskwater?

Is there any problems in that hex besides the haunted Isle?

And I wonder is Pipre's mom knows anything about the family that lived there?
Domitius
 player, 400 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 22:56
Re: OOC2
So does this mean that the rulers of Tusk now have their own chapter of the Brevoy order?

Are they now off the Midmarch council and no longer under Henry's protection?

How will bp work between the two entities?  Do they now generate separately as per Restov/Midmarch?
DM
 GM, 3832 posts
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 23:26
Re: OOC2
Domitius:
So does this mean that the rulers of Tusk now have their own chapter of the Brevoy order?

Are they now off the Midmarch council and no longer under Henry's protection?

How will bp work between the two entities?  Do they now generate separately as per Restov/Midmarch?


All very good questions - to which I haven't yet formulated an answer.

I suspect those will come through negotiations between Tusk and Henry ....
Domitius
 player, 403 posts
 Half Elf Fighter/Rogue
 AC:21 HP:38
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 23:53
Re: OOC2
One for Cass, how is the Mayor going to be selected?  Is there a fixed term of service? Will there be an election?  If so who gets to vote?

Ok a few fot Cass...
Cass Mordane
 Player, 590 posts
 Bard/Sword Scion/Diplomat
 My Sword Sings
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 01:29
Re: OOC2
Cass was actually requested to fill the slot on the Tusk Council that he occupies due to his training and skill in helping to maintain a proper balance and also to help the town grow at one of the fastest rates possible. (In game mechanics, it is because he has the highest diplomacy rank of all characters, or did so at the time. And maybe something to do with base charisma score as well.)

Even when Cass was allowed by Henry to establish Silverton, he chose to place Magatha as mayor of Silverton rather than assume the position himself, even though she would not be as adept in the position as he would himself. (Again, lower diplomacy/charisma score). Cass is willing to vacate the position at any time upon a newly elected official or by Henry’s direct request.

I assume voting on council members and terms will be the right and responsibility of Tusk citizens alone as they are newly independent of Midmarch. Likely with great influence allowed in the transition from members of the current Midmarch Order of Brevic Knights (aka DM and players).

I also assume that Midmarch will gain a new capital city.

This message was last edited by the player at 01:30, Thu 16 July.

Kiera
 player, 219 posts
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 01:35
Re: OOC2
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Alisa D'Medvyed
 player, 323 posts
 Half-elf Cleric
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 01:58
Re: OOC2
PFS Adventure “Port Peril Pub Crawl”

Well the title sounds really promising.


Bigger Sewer

No, no, I make it a point to stay out of the sewer. Especially after going to the pub.
DM
 GM, 3833 posts
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 08:08
Re: OOC2
As yet, I don't know how Tusk / Midmarch / Marcher Lord relationships will work -  and we will work out a system between us -  the same as we have done previously.  While this game is not a full-blown democracy (DM is still boss) you guys have a lot of input and a veto.  I don't think I have ever implemented anything that goes against things that the majority of the players want - in this game or any other that I have run.  It is MY game, but it is also your game -  it stops being fun if we all fall out.

That said, these changes have happened at the end of a Campaign Round - and we have nearly six months before anyone has any BP to spend, and the rules have any practical effect.  The next Campaign Round is scheduled for December this year, as per the structure I set out previously.

The Council who run Tusk were chosen by the  active PCs who were in the game at the time.  Everyone had the chance to put themselves forward and to have a say in who should be appointed.  In then end, everyone took a fairly pragmatic view and appointed three characters who had the right skills for stronghold management, and who said they were prepared to put a bit of effort in. Non of my NPCs 'voted' in the 'election' although, as always, I added background advice. Not quite a full-blown democracy, but the closest that I could get at the time.

Kendrick was appointed, because of his alignment - the Council needed to 'massage' their alignment to get them to a more favourable position within the Campaign Rules.

In the back of my head, I have long held the concept of City Burghers electing their city leaders - and the pseudo-election that I described earlier, was my attempt at that.

However, I think this might be the time to formalize that sort of structure.  How we do that will come from a discussion between all of us.  In  a private conversation I  floated the concept of City Burghers and City Lords (In a nod to the fantasy setting that we are in - and to add a 'promotion' route) - but the system used will be decided in an open thread.

Bear in mind, that if you replace any of the councillors, you should ensure that the appointee should have the right skills for the management post.  Tusk relies on the management skills of its councillors.  If the stewardship score drops significantly, Tusk will take a while to recover from the economic shock.




As to the 'capital' and whether there will be one or more Chapters of Knighthood -  I have some thoughts based on a regional structure - but again that will come down to you guys.  However, the more complicated the systems get, the more work I will expect you guys to do in running them, in the same way as I palmed running Tusk off on Andalon, Cass and Pipre.  Giving credit where it is due, Andalon has done the heavy lifting in running tusk, but has been supported by both Cass and Pipre.

Bearing in mind that I need a find a structure that gives me an excuse to keep sending you guys out as adventuring groups, which gives me the flexibility to re-jig the groups when I need to.  We re-jigged before the start of the latest 'quest' allocations  (ie Narlemarch and Varnhold) and then again when players went missing with the pandemic.  While I love the RP and the campaign stuff, the core of the game is adventuring, exploring and slaying monsters - the other bits are add-ons.

I have been thinking about a Regional System covering all the 'holdings' in the area.

Restov and East Rostland had a joint Chapter of Knights - and there is no reason why we can't do the same now.  Perhaps we could call it the Southern Chapter?  That would need a slight tweak for the  Chapter's 'terms & conditions', but it leaves me a with a legitimate organ to manage adventure groups through.

As for a capital, Tusk becomes a sort of regional business Capital  while Henry will establish an administrative capital for Midmarch, probably Newgate. Which gives us a Washington/New York or Canberra/Sidney type set up -  although not quite so formalized.

A regional set up also makes it easier to transfer BP between holdings, in the same way that money and people can move easily between states in the US or Australia.

However, those will all be up for discussion at some point in the next few weeks.
Kiera
 player, 222 posts
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 08:37
Re: OOC2
The bundle’s worth it just for the map packs.  Those retail for at least ten bucks a go each on the Paizo store for the PDFs.
Cass Mordane
 Player, 594 posts
 Opportunist
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 09:32
Re: OOC2
Thanks for the info. I will have to see how much of this that I can scoop up.

Henry LeMaistre:
OOC:  We'll work the charters out between us in OOC.


The Militant Order of the New Guard?
DM
 GM, 3834 posts
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 10:50
Re: OOC2
Cass Mordane:
The Militant Order of the New Guard?


or the Chattering Order of St Beryl
Cass Mordane
 Player, 595 posts
 Opportunist
Thu 16 Jul 2020
at 10:57
Re: OOC2
Knights Who Say Ni

Knights who say..."Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z'nourrwringmm.“