Don't you hate then that happens? LOL

That's what I get for being all dominant female and pushing in with my mighty +3 diplomacy modifier! At least it only costs us 1 to take my 19 instead of Kraw's 20, and if the GM is generous he'll let us use Kraws, even though it probably doesn't make a difference.

Either way, the +2 from the aid attempt takes us over 20 DC.

Kyra is of no help with aiding Ayeesha, so she'll just keep her mouth shut while others do the talking.

I think of the 20 as a Perfectly Cogent argument.

In reply to Kraw (msg # 541):

Sorry for butting in, but I want to move this along. Its obvious we can not afford the 2k, there has to be something else we can do.

Maybe perform a aervice?

I guess we'll have to if we don't have the amount he wants.

Lets see what he says.

All four of you will be expected to participate so you can all go through simultaneously even though it is match after match. Sound good?

So first step is to roll initiative. Then you've got three options.

1) Go for the dagger (if you win init) and start making your attacks.

2) Try and just bull rush your opponent off the table. Can also do things like grapple or disarm as you like.

3) Scoop up gold. If the game goes on too long Devargo calls it and the one with the most gold in their pouch is the winner.

Matches will last about 5 rounds before Devargo calls it but if things are interesting he'll let them go longer. If things are boring because nobody can hit one another he'll call it earlier.

Figus has a +2 initiative. If he wins, he gors for the dagger. If he losses, then he Bull Rush and take an AoO.

Or a Trip maneuver. If you have weapon Finesse, does Trip key off Dexterity instead of Strength?

In reply to Kraw (msg # 548):

I think they all go off Str. CMD uses Dex as well

I believe trip does work with finesse if you are using a finesse weapon to attempt the trip.

Anyway, this is a problem for me as Kyra is definitely not a melee character. I guess I'll have her go for the dagger, if only to prevent it being used on her, then try to get her opponent off the table with the Command spell (flee). And if that fails, just try to stay alive? Maybe gather some gold and avoid getting hit? There's not much chance of doing melee damage with her stats, and trying to throw cards would provoke AoOs.

Slumber hex? Or wait, you don't have hexes yet, do you?

Command and hope they don't make the will save then :-)

Can Ayeesha take your turn?

Guys I should warn you. Mage armor might be okay, but I suspect they will view magic hexes and the like as 'cheating'.... unless you make it entertaining somehow.

Command them to strip ;-)

No rules = no cheating.

True enough....

Besides, it would the only way in a situation like this that spell casters have a chance. They would never design a setup where certain classes are just f'ed.

I feel like Command is my best shot here, though I admit having the other guy run off the table may not be particularly entertaining for the crowd. The spell does have only a verbal component, so maybe casting it will not be as obvious as it would be otherwise. Maybe.

So, we post our intentions simultaneously as well?

Yep, just like combat. Everyone post and then I'll post.

@Tripping: You always use Strength unless you take the feat Agile Maneuvers

@Spellcasting: Nobody said you can't cast spells or hexes. You will have time to prep long running buffs like Mage Armor but the betting alone can take a full minute or more so short term buffs of less than 1 minute will expire before the match starts. I'll roll dice to determine how long betting can go if it becomes a factor.

@Gambling: You are welcome to participate in the gambling with the others. Just remember that 1/2 the pot goes to the winner while the other 1/2 is split among those participating.

@Entertaining: That is entirely up to you if you want to showboat or go for the quick win.

Including the guards at the door and Devargo there are 8 other people in the room. While the guards and thugs gamble for keeps, Devargo seems to like just dumping tons of gold on the table to make things more interesting and/or slippery.

Can I use the sleight of hand roll I already made for the first round?

Yeah that is fine, no need to reroll.

I am... not sure what to post. Odds are about 50-50 I lost initiative I figure. Do you want that reflex save now?