Character Creation Outline.   Posted by DM.Group: 0
Ieroklis Tsiranidis
 player, 16 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 13:25
Re: Character Creation Outline
Lynette:
quote:
You can take a look at the Cold Iron Warden inquisitor archetype. It's made specifically for demon hunting. It also opens up some divine casting.
No, he's playing the slayer class and unfortunately there's no slayer archetype specific for demon hunting. There's one for Aberrations and undead (and for humanoids), but not for outsiders. Pity.


i meant taking inquisitor INSTEAD of slayer. Or multiclassing between those two.
DM
 GM, 49 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 13:37
Re: Character Creation Outline
Hmmm... Reckless Attack does seem broken. I gave everything a rough pass.

I'll amend the feat. Power Attack in the World of Warcraft RPG has a similar deal of allowing it's user to exchange an unlimited number from your attack roll and adding them to your damage roll. In the spirit of the difference, I'll amend the feat now.

So, it'll read now as;

"Reckless Attack
[General]

You throw caution by the wayside as you smash your opponents as hard as possible.
Prerequisite: Str 13.
Benefit: On your action, before making attack rolls for the round, you may choose to subtract a -2 to your AC and gain +2 to tall melee damage rolls. The penalty to AC and bonus on damage apply until your next turn.
Special: If you attack with a two-handed weapon, or with a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands, add +4 to your melee attacks instead. You cannot add the bonus from Reckless Attack to the damage dealt with a light weapon (except with unarmed strikes or natural weapon attacks), even though the penalty to AC still applies. (Normally, you treat a double weapon as a one-handed weapon and a light weapon. If you choose to use a double weapon like a two-handed weapon, attacking with only one end of it in a round, you treat it as a two-handed weapon.)
When your base attack bonus reaches +3, and every 4 points thereafter, the penalty increases by –1 and the bonus to damage increases by +2 (and +3 for two-handed weapons respectively).
Fighters can select Reckless Attack as one of their fighter bonus feats."

This message was last edited by the GM at 13:58, Fri 24 June 2016.

TheJagster
 player, 15 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 13:47
Re: Character Creation Outline
In reply to DM (msg # 56):

That's absolutely fair, and it makes more standardized like Power Attack and similar feats. The question remains, of whether they could stack in a way that you take a penalty to AC and to attack rolls, but get a large bonus to damage rolls by using both feats.
DM
 GM, 50 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 13:57
Re: Character Creation Outline
I'm going to stew on that. I'll say, probably no, similar to how Pirahna Strike and Power Attack do not stack.

That gives a different problem, though. Reckless Attack has no feat tree associated with it that I can see (I may have read over a few feats if it does), so Power Attack seems like kind of a feat tax.

If you would rather take Reckless Attack, I'll say that, for the purposes of feat progression, Reckless Attack and Power Attack are the same feat.
DM
 GM, 51 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 13:57
Re: Character Creation Outline
I'm gonna amend it again to add only +3 to two-handed attacks. Sorry about that.
Akecheta Runetotem
 player character, 2 posts
 Tauren Guardian of
 The Cenarion Circle
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 14:01
Re: Character Creation Outline
DM:
I'm going to stew on that. I'll say, probably no, similar to how Pirahna Strike and Power Attack do not stack.

That gives a different problem, though. Reckless Attack has no feat tree associated with it that I can see (I may have read over a few feats if it does), so Power Attack seems like kind of a feat tax.

If you would rather take Reckless Attack, I'll say that, for the purposes of feat progression, Reckless Attack and Power Attack are the same feat.


That sounds legit. I think there are a few feats/class features that work like that, saying that they qualify as another feat/feature for the purpose of prereqs and qualifying for other feats.
Lynette
 player character, 11 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 19:30
Re: Character Creation Outline
So, if I'm reading this right, at BaB 7 the AC penalty becomes -0 and the bonus damage becomes +6 (+12 if 2-handed)?

A +6 (+12) damage boost with no drawback seems a little...I dunno. Why not just make the feat Identical to power attack except instead of reducing attack it reduces AC?

This way we can finally complete the attack feats tree!

Power Attack    : -Atk; +Dmg (-1 and +2/+3; scales every 4 BaB)
Combat Expertise: -Atk; +AC  (-1 and +1; scales every 4 BaB)

Touché          : -Dmg; +Atk (-1 and +1; scales every 4 BaB)
Shield of Swings: -Dmg; +AC  (1/2 dmg; +4 AC)

Reckless Attack : -AC ; +Dmg (-1 and +2/3; scales every 4 BaB)
Reckless Abandon: -AC ; +Atk (-1 and +1; scales every 4 BaB)


You see, it completes the list.

This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 19:30, Fri 24 June 2016.

TheJagster
 player, 16 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 20:01
Re: Character Creation Outline
Lynette:
So, if I'm reading this right, at BaB 7 the AC penalty becomes -0 and the bonus damage becomes +6 (+12 if 2-handed)?

A +6 (+12) damage boost with no drawback seems a little...I dunno. Why not just make the feat Identical to power attack except instead of reducing attack it reduces AC?

This way we can finally complete the attack feats tree!

Power Attack    : -Atk; +Dmg (-1 and +2/+3; scales every 4 BaB)
Combat Expertise: -Atk; +AC  (-1 and +1; scales every 4 BaB)

Touché          : -Dmg; +Atk (-1 and +1; scales every 4 BaB)
Shield of Swings: -Dmg; +AC  (1/2 dmg; +4 AC)

Reckless Attack : -AC ; +Dmg (-1 and +2/3; scales every 4 BaB)
Reckless Abandon: -AC ; +Atk (-1 and +1; scales every 4 BaB)


You see, it completes the list.


I'm pretty sure that's how it works already. Just like Power Attack, but you take penalties to AC instead of to attack rolls. Not sure where you got the whole 0 penalty to AC at BAB 7. As it was presented on here, at BAB 7, the penalty to AC would be -4, and the bonus to damage would be +6 (+12 if 2-handed).

The only thing that would need adjusting--like you mentioned--would be the starting penalty and the scaling, so it is more standardized like the other feats that work in a similar fashion.

So instead of it being a -2 to AC and +2 to damage from the get go, it would be -1 to AC and +2 to damage (+3 if 2-h), then at BAB 4 you get -2 AC and +4 damage (+6 if 2-h), BAB 8 it would be -3 AC and +6 damage (+9 if 2-h), BAB 12 would be -4 AC and +8 damage (+12 if 2-h), BAB 16 would be -5 AC and +10 damage (+15 if 2-h) and finally BAB 20 would be -6 AC and +12 damage (+18 if 2-h).
DM
 GM, 54 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 20:17
Re: Character Creation Outline
Yes, it is intended to complete the list. :)
Lynette
 player character, 13 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 20:44
Re: Character Creation Outline
Wow, a fighter with combat stamina and these feats would be pretty damn awesome on the battlefield. (because as you know, it is possible to use more than 1 of them when attacking. For example a fighter can use both power attack AND combat expertise)

Just imagine, you get all the benefits but none of the penalties from each feat.

This message was last edited by the player at 20:49, Fri 24 June 2016.

DM
 GM, 55 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 21:03
Re: Character Creation Outline
In reply to Lynette (msg # 64):

Like I said, Reckless Attack won't stack with Power Attack.
Lynette
 player character, 14 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 21:12
Re: Character Creation Outline
Why not? They modify different stats. If Power attack and Reckless Abandon can stack (If all of the feats already on the list can already stack with each other), why can't Reckless attack stack as well?
DM
 GM, 57 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 21:27
Re: Character Creation Outline
Because Reckless Abandon is a rage power, not a feat.
DM
 GM, 58 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 21:28
Re: Character Creation Outline
You know, it's fine. Let's make it stack if you guys like it that way. It's not that big of a deal, I think. However, if you outclass others by combining the two feats, I'm going to make you make a choice.
TheJagster
 player, 17 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 21:33
Re: Character Creation Outline
DM:
You know, it's fine. Let's make it stack if you guys like it that way. It's not that big of a deal, I think. However, if you outclass others by combining the two feats, I'm going to make you make a choice.


For what its worth, I think that Power Attack and Piranha Strike specifically do not stack because they modify the exact same things. Both give a penalty to hit and a bonus to damage.

In the case of Power Attack and Reckless Attack, you are taking a penalty to AC and a penalty to hit, while getting some nice bonuses to damage.

There's the potential that someone combining the use of both feats can hit for a lot of damage with an attack. However, the downside to that is that they are less likely to hit consistently due to the Power Attack penalty, and they are leaving themselves open for retaliation by lowering their own AC.

Honestly, I kinda like that idea from a purely fluff/story perspective. Imagine a huge barbarian type charging recklessly into battle. He's swinging wildly, rarely hitting anything and getting pummeled in the process, but once he does land a hit, he just cleaves his target in half with his battleaxe :D
dlantoub
 player, 7 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 21:57
Re: Character Creation Outline
I've been speaking with the director and I have at least narrowed down my class choice. I will probably go some form of cleric and in that I'm thinking along these lines.

Troll witch doctor or dark iron fire priest: both of these are likely mercenaries, but will probably not have spontaneous cure.

Priest of the holy light. Pretty much any race but probably human.

Any one of those three would be a preferred choice.

This message was last edited by the player at 22:05, Fri 24 June 2016.

Lynette
 player character, 16 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 22:06
Re: Character Creation Outline
DM:
Because Reckless Abandon is a rage power, not a feat.

True, but power attack and Combat expertise are, and they CAN be used at the same time.

Oh and I'm not going to use ether feat because:
A) I'm not a fighter
B) Don't have combat stamina
and C) If I wanted to outclass people I would have used the Dread or Yojimbo paladin.

quote:
For what its worth, I think that Power Attack and Piranha Strike specifically do not stack because they modify the exact same things.
No, the reason why they don't stack is because Piranha Strike specifically says in its description that it doesn't stack with Power Attack (meaning it's an exception to the rule). The reason for this is because Power attack is a strength based feat where as Piranha Strike was meant for Dexterity based builds (which is why the two feats have polar opposite Prerequisites).

There are many feats that modify same things for a sweet bonus in them. Like Improved Trip and Fury's Fall.
TheJagster
 player, 18 posts
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 22:51
Re: Character Creation Outline
Ok then...glad that was clarified. Nicer tone next time would be awesome though :P
DM
 GM, 62 posts
 The Oracle
 The Prophet
Fri 24 Jun 2016
at 22:54
Re: Character Creation Outline
I'm sorry if I caused any confusion. This is my first time DMing, so I'm trying very hard not to say 'no' to ideas too often! Concerning mechanics or story! I'm really nervous, so I hope you guys will put up with me through the creation process. ^^'
Lynette
 player character, 19 posts
Sun 26 Jun 2016
at 02:48
Re: Character Creation Outline
Almost done. Only skill points and utility items left. http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=858193
dlantoub
 player, 8 posts
Sun 26 Jun 2016
at 07:51
Re: Character Creation Outline
Hi, back again. With much help from the gm I have finally decided my concept.

Dryad
Oracle
Life Mystery
Branded
DM
 GM, 67 posts
 The Prophet
Sun 26 Jun 2016
at 23:37
Re: Character Creation Outline
Awesome! I think that means that we're finally a complete party.
Lynette
 player character, 21 posts
Mon 27 Jun 2016
at 23:14
Re: Character Creation Outline
Alright! Sheet is finally completely complete. (lol)
Baehean Nightreaver
 player character, 9 posts
Thu 7 Jul 2016
at 20:12
Re: Character Creation Outline
Been insanely busy, am back and trying to get done as quickly as possible (with the GM's help)
DM
 GM, 83 posts
 The Prophet
Thu 7 Jul 2016
at 22:00
Re: Character Creation Outline
You're safe. You answered the questions before the 7th.