Plot Discussion.   Posted by Gm.Group: 0
Cassandra Webb
 Female Beta Cub, 4 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 03:51
Re: Plot Discussion
I think I'll hope never to meet anyone like that.
Cass' is not exactly ecstatic about authority :o

An alpha, why not (if he's not a dick ^^), but people that just expect her obedience? That would end badly :p

Other than that (ie. outside of my character point of view), while this system could exist, you must decide why it exists. And why Alphas, used to be the ultimate authority, bow to these people.
Gm
 GM, 27 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:09
Re: Plot Discussion
I think that's a valid point. My thoughts are there is this system to make sure humans don't know that werewolves exist. Because with today's technology thay could easily wipe all the werewolves out. So this system was erected from the noble families. I was thinking the king would be called the True Alpha. So his word is law and his whole stance is the betterment of Werewolf kind. Does that make sense with this we would have a functional werewolf race
Gm
 GM, 28 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:11
Re: Plot Discussion
Also this system would be behind the scenes only interfering if there was a risk of exposure.
Jared Dauner
 Hunter, 6 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:16
Re: Plot Discussion
Of course, if going with my background that my char's dad was killed by  werewolf, then even if no obvious sign of exposure, you guys might be keeping an eye out for signs of trouble after a man was killed by some.. I guess rogue werewolf?

Jared certainly isn't making it public of course that he's trying to find proof of werewolves or planning on revenge.

Which would offer some conversation for the wolves of potential concern for the rp.  Heck, if you want more to talk about, we could say that a regular wolf (assuming there are some in this wildlife area) was found dead
Cassandra Webb
 Female Beta Cub, 5 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:18
Re: Plot Discussion
Two questions then:
1) How do they make sure humans don't know about werewolves?
2) Why would the alphas cooperate with them? They could easily say they'll take care of their pack, and leave us alone thank you very much.
Jared Dauner
 Hunter, 7 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:19
Re: Plot Discussion
In regards to part two, some cultures are rather stuck on tradition.  They don't bother thinking about what they could do as much as what is proper to do by what the generations before them did.

Not sure if you'd want to go that route or not, but thought I'd throw it out there.
Nathaniel Mathers
 Alpha Male, 30 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:22
Re: Plot Discussion
I guess the point of contention here is that the premise of an "Alpha" is that their word, or words if there is both a male and female, is law for that group of Werewolves. If that authority is challenged then the Alpha has to defend that right. So if there was someone above an Alpha, this True Alpha, that would mean that they would have had to beat all the Alphas to have that rank and by extension every Werewolf, outside of Rogues, would be under their absolute command.

I can see plenty of issues with that scenario in game terms. The first being that it assumes that this character is defacto stronger than all of us. Even with my position of Alpha I don't have that claim. It also assumes that all Werewolves are a monolithic group with the same laws which I have to assume wouldn't hold up if we aren't all from the same regions. Also it just seems sort of heavy handed roleplay wise because that character would pretty much be the dictator of all Werewolf actions lest they run counter of all the other Werewolves.

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All that being said I think my recommendation OOC is pretty solid. A societal/religious position versus one of actual power. The First Laws could have been passed down by this bloodline and we voluntarily follow them for the betterment of the species.

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Also since is sort of came up I wanted to enumerate the strengths and weaknesses of the Werewolves as I see them:

Strengths:

- Acute Senses
- Superhuman Speed
- Superhuman Strength
- Regeneration Factor
- Variable Spell Ability

Weaknesses:

- Susceptible to varying moon phases
- Susceptible to uncontrollable blood rage
- Silver
- Wolfsbane
- Fire

This message was last edited by the player at 04:25, Wed 26 Oct 2016.

Cassandra Webb
 Female Beta Cub, 6 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:25
Re: Plot Discussion
quote:
In regards to part two, some cultures are rather stuck on tradition.  They don't bother thinking about what they could do as much as what is proper to do by what the generations before them did.


Oh it's entirely possible of course.
In fact, I like that explanation better, since I'll be able to send them packing (or at least, ask them too...) if they want anything from Cass' ^^ Well, more easily anyway, since I'd probably do that anyway :p
Jared Dauner
 Hunter, 8 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:31
Re: Plot Discussion
Nate does also have some good points.

I'd go with maybe the 'royal' alpha's are given great respect for station, honored for their blood, but they do not command with that blood.  Maybe they have a responsibility on showing themselves as an example to other wolves on how to behave.
Cassandra Webb
 Female Beta Cub, 7 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:36
Re: Plot Discussion
Maybe that's how it started, but we all know how it too often ends.
Now the kings are probably only caring about their own powers, with a number of Alphas & Packs at their beck and call who somehow benefit from this.

Restoring order there could be an interesting plot.
Jared Dauner
 Hunter, 9 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:39
Re: Plot Discussion
That could also work as another plot tangent.

Of course, I'm just the hunter planning to slay whatever werewolf killed family.  Revenge on all for the ill deeds of one.  Kind of a cliché concept but it works.  Who knows, might unknowingly make friends with one of you not realizing what you are.
Nathaniel Mathers
 Alpha Male, 31 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 04:39
Re: Plot Discussion
That is an interesting angle if the GM is willing to play that up. I could see some of the Alphas being so wrapped up in tradition and pomp that they fall into ranks with the "king" Alpha. He could be coming to our area under pretense to help us with the Hunter problem but they are really just trying to absorb our pack into their sphere of influence. Perhaps the National Reserve presents an ideal breeding or hunting ground for their budding Werewolf Nation.

This message was last edited by the player at 04:43, Wed 26 Oct 2016.

Gm
 GM, 29 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 07:06
Re: Plot Discussion
I like that. It could be that this king alpha is intending to gain our allegence maybe for currupt reasons. But maybe he doesn't actually have the power to command alphas.

I was thinking.

All alphas have the ability to assert there alpha status on pack members if they become enraged or lose control. This would also create a sense of family among pack members..... because what happens if the Alpha loses control?  There is no one to keep them under control. Exept the loyal pack members.
Jason Blevins
 Beta Male, 14 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 11:40
Re: Plot Discussion
In reply to Nathaniel Mathers (msg # 55):

I'm bit of a traditionalist myself, so I see that there are just Alpha leaders for each pack. Maybe just being an Alpha makes you a noble. Could there be a council of Alphas that meet regularly (yearly)? But I do see pack Werewolves being very traditional and sticking to codes.

As for how are we kept secret from the normal's: there could be a natural tendency for the humans to ignore the supernatural (like Dresden Files). The ones who actually come to accept werewolves would become Hunters or something else (groupies?)
Nathaniel Mathers
 Alpha Male, 32 posts
Wed 26 Oct 2016
at 13:13
Re: Plot Discussion
While I like the Dresden Files explanation, reading the books currently, I think that White Wolfs system sort of fits better into the context. Werewolves avoid shifting in front of humans but when they do the Human mind tries to explain it away. They think they saw a large wolf, convince themselves they were hallucinating, immediately fall unconscious, an/or fly into a panic and later suffer post traumatic amnesia. Those rare humans that see a Werewolf and keep there head together learn of the truth.

Normal humans that learn the truth have one of three choices. The first being that they keep it to themselves out of fear of angering the Werewolves or sounding totally insane. The second is that they are polarized by the experience, liked Jared, and become Hunters. Finally they could be fascinated and become sympathizers to our plight. Perhaps their first encounter was between a Hunter and a Werewolf and they didn't like how Hunters conducted themselves or a Werewolf saved their life.

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Also Cassandra could you give us a little information about what is and isn't a witch. How they get their powers, what they are capable of. Also do they frequently breed with Werewolves or are you a sort of outlier.
Jared Dauner
 Hunter, 10 posts
Sat 29 Oct 2016
at 16:06
Re: Plot Discussion
Is this debate stopping the rp from starting?

Maybe we should leave nobility stashed away as future plot concept for now so it doesn't stop the rp?
Maybe its something that could be brought in later? Royalty given that rank in some other area of the world that hasn't transferred to where we are as a plot twist?
Nathaniel Mathers
 Alpha Male, 33 posts
Sat 29 Oct 2016
at 16:43
Re: Plot Discussion
I'm in agreement with Jared. If this is holding up the game then we can postpone this matter till later. If nothing else I'd at least like to get into the introduction thread.
Lucy Weller
 Female Beta, 4 posts
Sat 29 Oct 2016
at 20:12
Re: Plot Discussion
I third this motion. After all, we can wing this to an extent.
Gm
 GM, 30 posts
Sat 29 Oct 2016
at 20:15
Re: Plot Discussion
Alright I can create an introduction thread. Where should it be?
Lucy Weller
 Female Beta, 5 posts
Sat 29 Oct 2016
at 20:20
Re: Plot Discussion
Depends on the time of day. If afternoon, I vote coffee shop.
Nathaniel Mathers
 Alpha Male, 34 posts
Sat 29 Oct 2016
at 20:36
Re: Plot Discussion
Doesn't matter. All of the Werewolves have to blend into society somehow. As long as its a place that makes reasonable sense for us to be there.
Lucy Weller
 Female Beta, 6 posts
Sat 29 Oct 2016
at 21:14
Re: Plot Discussion
So... The middle of the woods hunting rabbits? :D

This message was last edited by the player at 21:17, Sat 29 Oct 2016.

Gm
 GM, 33 posts
Sun 30 Oct 2016
at 01:15
Re: Plot Discussion
Also I'm thinking of creating home threads for you guys. Also maybe there is a cave where the pack meet regularly.
Jared Dauner
 Hunter, 11 posts
Sun 30 Oct 2016
at 04:12
Re: Plot Discussion
Jared would like a home that could either also have an area for giving his lessons or a home and a facility for giving his lessons! (though I guess one or the other also works really)
I'll join in here at somepoint
Aden Joseph
 Beta Male, 1 post
Sun 30 Oct 2016
at 04:17
Re: Plot Discussion
Gm:
Also I'm thinking of creating home threads for you guys. Also maybe there is a cave where the pack meet regularly.


Sounds good.