A shiny new OOC thread for you folks!
This message was last updated by the GM at 15:41, Mon 02 Apr 2018.

Ten more hours and we get to see if TwoBit is a hero or a chump. Dodge rolls for bad guys can be a fickle thing...

Don't make me change it to a charge, you know I will...

I expect to catch flak for suggesting krak, but when you're the Hammer of The Emperor, every problem looks like a nail...

Some of us like to hammer nails with our heads.  's not a good idea.

...I heard from a friend. :)

Edit: I have Security trained for some reason (must be the regiment), so maybe we ought to give that a shot first.  TN 40 (prior to other modifiers) for me, can anyone beat that?

We also have a lascutter almost literally burning a hole in my pocket.  I should have the TP's check it out when we get back.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:49, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

Security is an Int skill so I’ve got a 50 base.

Going to use my auspex though to find the mechanism and see how it’s locked to give us more ideas.

sooo, there are dying people on the other side. We need speed, not some super high tech way to open the door.

There's a margin of destruction available to us. We need to get through those doors NOW.

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also pls just let me blow something up i mean i've been loaded to the brim with bombs and not a single chance to use them except on buggos

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Reminder: you are currently at 1% damage to the shrine. Depending on what you do, damage to the doors will raise that by 1-5% [from cutting a hole through the 'locking mechanism' to blowing them both off their hinges].

Zilch's IC post should tell you his pov on blowing the doors.

I'm sure there will be plenty of big bad guys to blow up before this is done.

Edit:
I would have said more in the short reply but I didn't think I would have enough time to say it all before someone like Ramirez pulled the trigger.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:50, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

I'm not willing to risk over half of our remaining margin of destruction on this door.  There will be plenty of krak and plasma flying around to get us up to 10% later on.

AC, can I assist Zilch in his check?

It's might be in my PM to AC in the thread but my check came up with 6 degrees of success on the Auspex.  That said unless you were tapped into my brain via MIU or I had a data-slate linked to my MIU port pulling up daa for you to see you prolly couldn't assist on the check like some others.

But damn if that isn't a great idea to get a separate data-slate with a hardwire link so that other people can also see his auspex data...

It *is* a great idea. Maybe the shop can whip something up for you like that after this mission, as a replacement for the thing you didn't ask for last mission? I'm cool with that. Would you want a data slate (poor or good craft) or a 3-D holo emitter (good or best)? Makes a difference you know. :)

Yes, TwoBit you may assist. I'll halve your DoF (if any) or add total DoS because he did so well initially.

Zilch, don't post again IC until I bring you up to speed during lunch break.

I was kinda hoping just for the +10/+1 DoS kind of assist... If it involves making a check of my own, may as well skip it since the odds of succeeding are so small :)

Sorry boss got excited :D

Well we were waiting on the krak concussion and frag blast from the mission before the mission, but if others like the idea of a best (ooohhhh shiny!) 3D Holo-emitter that I plug into my wrist MIU port to display auspex data that would be sweet.  Not very discrete to be sure but very useful.

I suppose a shiny 3D holo display could be our nifty piece of archaeotech if we (*ahem*) avoid blowing up the temple.

Keep in mind that once Zilch makes his new announcement of his scan results, you are all still in normal (not narrative) time. So the more you discuss and prep the more actions they can take inside.

Very busy and bad weather so I will not likely log in more than once per hour today.

Lascutter does 2d10+16 E Pen 10 vs stationary targets, so I think it will actually be faster than using krak if we need to break open the door.  It's a free action for me to whip it out and the average damage is nearly twice that of the grenade (av 27 vs 15) prior to subtracting AP.

I had to ask the good AC another question so the post will be coming...just not yet.

Yeah it's bad, just not human sacrifice bad ;)

I'm still liking plan "blow it up from a safer distance after everyone has established cover and firing lines"

Hey you want establish firing lines, setup overwatch and be ready to bring to bear death you can have at.  Not gainsaying you that but you should be able to do that now as Everest is moving towards the doors and Zilch is looking to jam the remote detonator.

Doors are heavy but as long as AC lets me order Everest using the 'other' orders section of the comrades bit to leverage himself he can open them.  I've got to stop the explosives from going off cause I don't want them destroying the doors any more than you. ;)

Sides you've got three hybrids and a lictor to deal with.

And I'm totally going to skin these lictors to net us some cameloline-like cloaks if you don't tear them apart too badly....mind Jansen or Command might take them from me but I'm gonna try.  Clearly the Catachan that were with the unit originally rubbed off on Zilch too much...but that's who he'll try and trade them to so we get 'official' ones that will be less likely taken from us just as those would be less likely taken from them.

Sorry folks, RL is hell right now. I’ll post when I can.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have anything to help Zilch with the jam attempt.  At a -10 my attempts to assist with Tech-Use will likely hinder more than help.  Best I can offer is Sleepy's anointed toolkit for, er, a relaxing massage?

I'll likely just set up an overwatch for when the door opens.  Post coming sometime today.  I'm not planning on rerolling initiative, either.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:58, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

Anyone opting to set up overwatch can go ahead and make their to hit rolls as well, since it seems likely that your trigger of viable targets will happen at the same time as they react to the doors opening and the sound of NO explosives going off. ;)

Assuming the tech roll is successful...

Hey every bonus I can get is good.  Combi-tool is just one of many things on my kit wish list.

Unfortunately, there's no stats for the anointed toolkit, but it's standard issue for vehicle regiments so I imagine it's more useful for interfacing with those machines vs electronic warfare.

I hate to put Niner on the spot when life is hell, but seems like her vox operator might have some useful gear or skills.

Thanks, lads! That was some great inter-party conflict between the 'brawn' and the 'brains'.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:18, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

Also, there are only three (hybrid) targets and they are spaced around the central dais/pedestal, so there's no o reflow on each attack; all hits are applied to one target each. Just in case it makes a difference.

Although I have a cool mental picture of the breach & clear going very much like a SWAT team entry. :)

Edit: grenades can catch two in their radius.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:26, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

AC, the photon flash has Blast (10) in its stat line. That should be able to hit everyone on/around the dais, no?

Only if you could somehow aim at the middle of the room, which you cannot. The object in the centre is non-porous, to put it bluntly. ;)

So you aim to one side or the other. Or when the doors open you shoot for the rear stairs leading up and catch one hybrid and the lichtor, maybe.

Best cover the children's eyes

Probably just under 4 hours til I can get a post up. Stupid day at work - not tough, just stupid, and a Skype session with the bro coming up in an hour.

I sure hope one of our three newbs can add to the crash-boom-bang effect of you three when you open the door.

In reply to Adeptus Custodes (msg # 32):

*checks damage roll*

Not seeing this "boom" to which you refer :P

I was looking at Zilch's first attempt to jam the demo frequency on the doors. It's a hidden roll but I can still see it. ;)

Yeah my first attempt to jam the remote failed plus four.  The fate point re-roll though was a success plus four.

So it went from spectacular boom to wipe forehead relief.

OK, so the boom we're expecting to hear is just the DJ dropping the bass, then.

Yeah but the fright was real.

If I had failed both chances I’d have either killed or maimed Everest even with his resilient self.

So not a single one failed to get Pinned?  Bummer.

I'm going to assume I can close to PB range with the wounded one; with Sprint I can Full Move 12m and I can still get a shot off.

Without giving too much away...they don't need to test in this room, at this time. ;)

Yes go ahead and smite thy foe.

I'm just...going to hide in my corner for a little bit.

I definitely won't be able to post Sunday night so let's stick with the 2-day cycle for now and I'll post Tomorrow and Monday, weather & work permitting.

Anyone catch the preview of the PC game Gladius yet? I'm on the fence until they add more races to play.

No, hadn't seen it yet.  Still sadly need to get DoW3...

I'm spending way too much time watching cinematic battles from Total War: Warhammer on youtube. I can't figure out why the chaos beastmen always destroy the Empire. Or how the Undead ever get beaten at all. Or how the Dwarves ever win. Maybe I should just buy it and find out for myself.

Hey guys, I am going to have to take a break from the game. I need to spend some time on life right now. Sorry GM, it's been a rocky month so far.

RL is always more important.

Hope that you can take care of what you need to do with a minimum of troubles Holt.

Two-bit, since Ramirez hasn't posted yet and I'm super duper tired from work again, I'll let you decide if you want your overheating gun to do d3-1 or d5-2 percentages of damage to the altar area from overheating. I'll roll it when I get up to do my post, either in the middle of the night or, if I'm lucky, when the sun comes up.

Hold on there, cowboy. I just got home from work and was about to type up my post.

EDIT: Oh wow, Two-Bit. RNGesus must be mad at you for something.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:33, Sun 08 Apr 2018.

If you mean to say that you want to target/shoot the wounded hybrid that's holding the detonator device, you go first in the round, so you can do that before Two-bit closes to melee, if you want.

That's what i meant. I was in the middle of a pathfinder game and tried to use text to speech to post. It didn't go well. Editing and rolling now.

The Lictor doesn't provide a Size modifier when shooting at it, does it? I know the Lictor in the DoW 2 video is fuckhueg compared to the Blood Raven marine.

EDIT: The Lictor in the DW book is also Hulking (I know you don't use those entries per se, but even if drawn from as inspiration, a Lictor is pretty Throne-damn big compared to the average joe human)
This message was last edited by the player at 05:44, Sun 08 Apr 2018.

d3-1, please.

You're right, these xenos are normally 8-9 feet tall and wide even without counting their large forearms; this lichtor is a smaller variant, remember. Maybe 6-7 feet tall if it were to stand upright. Modified to be able to hide in places a normal human can go, and wouldn't expect to find it.

Word! Thanks for the clarification!

EDIT: lol the dice roller hated me hitting but loved me doing damage. It's being squirrelly lately
This message was last edited by the player at 14:24, Sun 08 Apr 2018.

If I'm reading the rules correctly, the blind condition on the hybrid doesn't give me a bonus to-hit, but it does suffer a -30 on its own WS tests.  A bit of a pity since I might have been able to do more damage otherwise, but I suppose I have a track record of dealing 9 damage a round to keep up.

Re-reading some of the earlier posts, looks like these guys have somewhere in the mid-tens wounds.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:38, Mon 09 Apr 2018.

The blind condition also means that unless it has some other (heightened) senses on which it can rely, it also suffers a penalty to dodge rolls if it only has normal hearing, smell, and touch. So it is BS 0, WS -30, and Dodge -20.

I was worried that Biggs' autocannon shot would be a miss, because of the -20 for firing into melee, since I said that the lichtor is engaged with the Sgt & officer...but he goes first in the round *and* I notice I haven't made actual combat rolls for either side in that melee, so it is the same as moving to within Pb range for anyone else: you get the shot unengaged, and if it isn't dropped then you are considered 'in melee'. So I guess he's a very lucky guy and I have to make a dodge roll for the lichtor or be splattered.

Ramirez, remind me again where you get the ability to do Fatigue Damage with your lasgun? I can't imagine that you'd be able to make a Carnifex pass out with one good shot, so I'm thinking there might be something screwy in the wording of the Talent.

It was a roll on the Righteous Fury table for body shots.

Ah...ok. That would be a funny result, then, if you get it against a lumbering behemoth I suppose. :P

Thanks for the clarification. Carry on shooting the shit outta things.

Carni nutshot FTW!

[redacted comments about soak and RF because objectively speaking, any hilarity makes up for deviating from RAW]

Yeah, the ranged guys have 10-12 and the melee hybrids have 12-14. Ranged or Melee 1 or 2 armor to all locations and 3 or 4 TB. So you've probably just killed this one with a second hit like that.

I thought my target was unwounded?

Er...it is possible that Jansen's off-hand pistol shot may have already been rolled in private, which goes before your action. Is it too late to add: Spoiler Alert? lol

I was going to make a spoilers comment about the carni, so yeah, too late :P

I'll edit my post later today to be a bit more...optimistic.

Niner has also left the game, being unable to make even one post per week with the recent move across the country, and stuff. I've turned on the red light and updated the PW thread so we will see what the next crop brings in.

Biggs, congrats on making it through your 90 day boot camp. :)

My post forthcoming in about 2 hours.

Not that I think anyone will ask but you forgot to add Missionary and Stormtrooper to the list of things still not allowed as Support Specialists (along with Commissar, Tech-Priest and Psyker) when you made your recent re-pop post on Players Wanted.  Unless they are fair game now too with the Ogryn and Ratling comrades for the new peeps...

...and of course congrats on surviving this long Biggs :)

EDIT:

Boss...being comms gear is it fair to say that there would be a suitable port for my MIU to link with to aid in the setup?
This message was last edited by the player at 02:59, Tue 10 Apr 2018.

And is this one of those cases where our snazzy Zakurian +10 to jury-rig tests comes in? ;)

Right, Zilch; no on the non-guardsman troopers so far. But there's a twist coming in your character builds/loadout that I think you may find useful and appealing.

Yes and Yes [to both of you, about the Tech stuff]. It is an advanced satellite relay, with a twist: it also has a multi-frequency/spectrum data sponge that is going to search a certain radius around your location for a specific signal. Your 12 DoS will include setup and correct deployment/calibration.

Then the wait.

Then someone has to make a single roll - probably during combat - to give that info to your command ship.

Then either survive or escape. Probably the second one.

I expect it will take about two months of real time to accomplish all this, maybe a bit less.

Edit: also, we have our first new blood.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:09, Tue 10 Apr 2018.

Here's a brain teaser for people to think about (mostly Zakurians)...

How do you take Reckoning's kit and combine it with the explosives mounted on the large doors and turn it into a number of Claymore-like directed mines to spray an area?

Also...


08:47, Today: Secret Roll: GSN 1610311843 rolled 10 -- 7 degrees of success using the Only War system with a target number of 70 with rolls of 10.  Tech-Use Roll 2 Base 50 + MIU 10 + Jury-Rig 10.

08:46, Today: Secret Roll: GSN 1610311843 rolled 26 -- 5 degrees of success using the Only War system with a target number of 70 with rolls of 26.  Tech-Use Roll 1 Base 50 + MIU 10 + Jury-Rig 10.


12 DoS made...

Wowza, lol.

So you'll have it all set up in the base time of 600 seconds, divided by 6. So 1:40. That's pretty damned impressive! Must be all the energy you saved by making Everest carry the crates. Lol

I didn't want to roll a third one that could take away but if you wanted the full three rolls to see if he did it faster or slower I can.

Yeah Zilch has to pull his weight this way since he's only mediocre when it comes to killing bad guys. :)

Hello all!

Fresh meat to meat grinder reporting in!

In reply to GSN 1804100805 (msg # 70):

Please report directly to the mess, there's a hot grill with your name on it :)

Welcome aboard!  Things might seem a bit hectic since we're in a battle scene, so feel free to ask any of us gristled (sic) old veterans how things are working.

AC, I can literally not make any Tech-Use checks (20 Int and not trained) so if it's cool with you, I'm gonna collect up the gear from Hot Shit. Boomer died too, didn't he?

Boomer and their Storm Bolter are still alive but low on ammo.

Wouldn't the bolter come with three clips by default?

It all lands with many acquisitions being part of the take a X rarity item with GM's permission rather than explicit ones above there.

Any of the listed ones above that on the options or one of the units favored weapons it would get the standard loadout.  Take specialized stuff and they are one shot or very limited because the Regiment simply doesn't carry one-off loads for Zakurians in any volume.

True. Plus it was the comrade, not the primary who started with it, and he switched just like Biggs to have the firepower available. So one clip.

Ramirez you'll get almost a full set of shotgun and lasgun reloads as well as any smoke, photon, or krak she may have brought. No frags remember! ;)

I have an additional scene exposition to make, hopefully tonight, now that we've reached the 12 DoS for the tech roll. It will be a narrative time post although extremely short, followed Thursday night by Jansen using the comms and then between Friday-Sunday the final wave (counterattack) will begin.

The new guy(s) will be able to join you folks any time after Sunday night if ready.

I think I could use a couple rounds of shotgun ammo (likely less than a mag) but I'll need to re-read to be sure.  I think the twins can make better use of the rest.

Hot Shit was a Zakurian, right? I'm pretty sure all her 'nades save 2 were frag. A "full" amount of las-packs is 4.

Apart from the las-packs, the rest of the gear is up for grabs. Hell, I know Everest has a lasgun possibly, so I'd be willing to split those.

If she's Zakurian, we'll also need to reclaim her implants...

Yeah Everest has one of the lasguns from when we first got into the mole machine from one of the dead crew.

And yes, as a Zakurian I'll have to assess her implants and see if they are recoverable.  Of course if she took optical implants or other things in her head that las bolt to her noggin likely destroyed it all but you never know :)

Here's to a bionic heart so you can Kali Ma that shit back into Munitorum supply

If I can get my hands on a Narthecium like the one in Hammer of the Emperor (if I remember correctly) I could do it extra quick-like.

Really though a bionic limb wouldn't be too hard to recover either.  It's stuff like MIU's, muscle grafts, subdermal armour and the like that is not centralized that would be hard to salvage.

Lowkey hoping Ramirez punches his ticket and we get Ogryn comrades so I can play Emilia with an Ogryn (for the sole purpose of making "ANGRY GIRL!" jokes [see: Thor Ragnarok])

That is the easy way.  A slightly more expensive way is the same way I've thought about having an Ogryn medic, a ratling sniper, a lobotomized servitor or others aiding Zilch.  Take the Commander advanced specialty and you can spend xp to get up to four more comrades...it's like you making yourself a HQ unit and having your support all on your own.  ;)

That requires so much XP, though. My way, I get to do my bit with 0xp cost.

Well yes it is a bit expensive but...

Back them Up?  An extra +5 to WS or BS per Comrade aiding and you can use it fro yourself or order them to back up anyone else giving them the same bonuses.

Or

Dig In?  Granting 2AP of cover per Comrade, +10 to resist Pinning per Comrade and all the Comrades are considered to have taken cover too?

Or

Flank them?  Each Comrade in cohesion causes a -10 penalty to the enemy trying to dodge or parry your attacks?

Those are some serious good Comrade Orders on top of being able to make up to 4 more characters as those comrades and being able to spend FP's to switch to them during a mission.

EDIT:
Sorry guys I can't do anything about the ice with anything I have on Zilch or Everest...though Everest is trained in Flame weapons, lol.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:04, Wed 11 Apr 2018.

If you guys want Boomer or Holt/comrade to go out and do some of this work, they are NPCs so I can take care of that.

AC, does Poor Weather Gear (part of the universal kit) provide any assistance?

After he puts together the comms equipment in record time can Zilch attempt some other things while they are clearing off the dome?

Like making those claymores or figuring out enough about the void shield that was protecting the Armour to reinitialize it and redirect it to form a temporary barrier where the two doors are?  Or barring time to do those feats get his hide sample from the lictor.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:33, Wed 11 Apr 2018.

It's probably a stasis field, rather than a void shield

It keeps you from freezing while you perform your tasks. :)

Zilch has time to do some stuff but it will largely be dependent on how these lasgun guys do their thing. Zilch will be directing them from within as he sets up his gear, which can't technically be completed [despite the 12 DoS] until the windows are cleared. Setup done, fine-tuning now, if you will.

Ramirez is more right than not. It was a stasis field with an overload defense that killed the hybrids every time one thought it had powered down enough to grab the armor. Heh.

I'm assuming we can use a lascutter to melt the snow?  That's standard kit for all Zakurians so I'm thinking we have enough for everyone heading outside.

You can certainly try. "They are large and cumbersome to use", though, so it will impose a further -10 to the climbing tests and the Agility test to catch yourself if you fall. Then you have to decide if you catch yourself or the lascutter...so, probably best to stick with the non-bulky lasgun shooting, for now.

Stasis field would be just as good at stopping incoming ranged attacks as well as enemies trying to cross its border of effects.  Especially as a surprise element.  That said stasis fields are a lot harder to muck with than making homemade claymore directional mines aka 'flame' template style grenades (Especially since Flak is even better against explosive blast effects) or skinning a lictor.

I do have a question for AC that may help the ice melting though...

Decisions decisions...safer to use the lasgun, but higher risk of popping an RF...I suppose I could use the plasma, too?

Higher risk to pop RF?

A lascutter has you rolling 2d10 so you will have two chances every time you use it to roll a 10 and cause a RF.  Sure it evens out cause you have to shoot the lasgun more but look at it this way:

You RF with a lasgun you're putting in a d10+3 Pen 0 bolt against the glass.  You RF with a lascutter that is a 2d10+16 Pen 10 bolt against the glass.

Fail with the lasgun and you might make a crack.

Fail with the lascutter and you will blow it apart with Pen like that.

The risk of popping an RF getting through 50 wounds is significantly higher with the lasgun due to the larger number of hits that need to be generated.

regular setting lasgun is approximately 5-6 hits to get through, so ~53% chance of not popping an RF
if plasma is allowed, average of 4 hits to get through, so ~61% chance of not popping an RF
lascutter only takes 2 hits on average but rolls 2d10, so same chance as the plasma

Ultimately it's a question of managing risk, do you shoot for higher probability but lower magnitude of failure, or lower probability but higher magnitude of failure.  Also, given that the lascutter is described are traditionally thought of as a damage over time sort of implement (vs emitting an instantaneous-ish "bolt"), perhaps a very generous AC will give us some sort of save to avoid penetrating the dome.

Edit: re-reading the DoS/dice result rules, I don't think it's possible to avoid an RF by swapping in DoS...which is too bad, because it would be hilarious if you could.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:52, Wed 11 Apr 2018.

In an ideal world the lascutter would be better cause since it's supposed to be a precision tool and not a weapon.  Problem is in a snowstorm you don't have the time to make it precision and have to be far more crude in its implementation.  Even with the higher chance for RF I would go with the lasgun.  Cause if you get the RF you are allowed a followup BS or Ag test (at a +0) to avoid the cracking so you are getting a save.

Question for AC though is since we normally can swap our BS success for damage does that also apply for this aka are our auto-hits a certain number of successes that will bring up our minimum damage markers to avoid 1 damage base hits before plusses.  If so then the Lasgun ends up looking even better know what I mean?

In the errata you get your BSB in DoS for automatic hits.

Ahhh didn't know that.  So that means a minimum on the dice roll of 3-5 give or take for most guardsmen on an auto hit.  I see why you like the chances with a lascutter then.  I just look at it from the Pen 0 versus the Pen 10 when it comes to the be all end all.  A crack might not bring the whole dome down.  A pen 10 would bring the entire thing down...kinda why they use Pen 0 weapons on voidships.

Nevermind me though.  I succeeded on my creation of claymores/IED's from the explosives and flak armour so I'll be busy doing that while you guys clean off the glass dome...

Yes to TwoBit (though it's already answered) and yes to Zilch being busy now. Also, yes to why you'll only have a chance to damage the dome on a RF; it's a Pen 0 weapon. Lascutter is def faster buuuuut... ;)

Got a second RTJ this morning so will converse with that person while you bring the newest new guy up to speed.

Questions asked so far: what regiments are available, what's my starting xp, and is it worth it to buy the Ogryn comrade talent now for use immediately after this mission?

Just for clarity, is there a different sort of save to avoid cracking the dome with the lascutter?  Or something invisible for purely Ebil DM purposes?

I'm also wondering if I could craft (in a reasonable time) a makeshift ice pick using the lictor claw I picked up earlier.  I'm trained in Survival and I think it would fall under that skill for crafting purposes.

Making things like knives and other primitive weapons (which these aren't primitive even though they are cause: Tyranid) normally takes 1d5 hours.  At least by the book it does.  A tool might come faster but...
This message was last edited by the player at 15:40, Wed 11 Apr 2018.

Purely Evil? Hey now...so far only Ramirez has asked to die, and I'm trying but can't seem to make a dodge roll this last combat to engage. Maybe when the swarm arrives. ;)

You are of course free to do what you want and take as much time as you'd like doing it...although I think letting you know that 10 minutes was the base time for setting up the gear might give you a clue as the timetable you're on. Maybe? :)

I was thinking of lashing the claw to my entrenching tool which *should* only take a couple of minutes but I imagine Jansen will be giving me the stink-eye the whole time.  Ergo, let's just skip trying to increase our survival probability.

also, it was "purely Ebil" which is the friendlier version.  Just soz you know :P

Well a fair portion of the damage/pen of xenos bio-weapons isn't just the claw or tooth or spike but the specific musculature and skeletal structure behind the swing. Look at chimps with less muscle mass but equivalent grasping power. Look at alligator jaws. Etc.

Also, I had thought of making the ice melting challenge another simple # of DoS like the setup of the gear but then that would rob is of the suspense building around each shot! Sorry to make this a dice-rolling festival but it is what it is.

Just to be clear, the ice pick was more to assist in the climbing and agility checks, not for chipping away the ice.  Maybe once we've triumphantly cleared the mission I can look into proper climbing gear before our next underwater adventure.

Anyhoo, since I don't have a clear picture of the risk mitigation when using the lascutter, I'll just go ahead and use Sleepy's carbine to melt the ice.

Not sure what else you needed?

When RF's occur and if the save to avoid them is the same since the implication is that they're slightly different.  It's a moot point now though.

AC, forgot to ask about weapons on the hybrids. I know they were packing lasguns; do they seem to be of Poor quality? Same question for the charge packs as well.

Truth...

We can also find out if they are indeed actually ones that are supposed to be issued to our Regiment and find that interesting story snippet to run down.

Is this where we get to spend an Infinity Point to change the plot more to our liking?

Waitaminit, wrong system... ;)

I've managed to clear my section of ice in 6 hits (assuming I can swap in my BSB for at least one of those 1s) although you would not believe how long I stared at that series of 10s before I realized that was damage and not the dice roll...

In reply to GSN 1701041631 (msg # 111):

I got the other two sections in 14 and miraculously didnt fall.

Nice job guys :)

With regards to swapping dice for DoS...

The rules say that you can replace the result of the die with the DoS for the purpose of damage, but RF is triggered when any 10 pops up.  I read that as you could technically swap in a lower DoS on a 10, but the RF would still trigger (see page 250).

However, they do refer to a "result of 10" which means perhaps the swap would negate it.  Oh, how much fun AC must have with the rules lawyering...

I have no doubt about it...

One says that RF is the Emperor's Fury directed against his enemies.  So why would he destroy the glass dome and doom our mission?  Do you have to take a RF?  Or in cases where you don't want it to happen and it does you instead of the Chaos Gods fueling the RF?  That they want the glass to fail despite the Emperor who wants the mission to succeed...unless success leads to heresy and corruption.

You could run that around forever.

Lmao @ Infinity Points. Buzz Lightyear you ain't! :P

You haven't met my Infinity character's geist :D

Ummm... I don't have a Lasgun. What is biggs supposed to be doing right now?

Stacking corpses like sandbags.

From the game thread:

He turned to Niner. "Take the heavy and guard these doors while the gear is being set up. Do not fall prey to idle thoughts; we will be engaged again soon enough." She nodded and motioned to Biggs and their comrades to emplace near the hinges of each door, to use some of the cover afforded by the pillars and the doorframe itself.

I bought stock in aspirin many years ago. It's all good.

Character starting to form up nicely, but have a few questions.

How does double starting skills/talents work? Couldn't find it in the rulebook. For example Zakurians and Operator share many talents and skills.

Multiple of the same skill means +10 to the skill.  So get it three times you have the skill at a +20.  Multiple talents though kinda suck.  100xp extra at creation.  Since all talents start at 200xp it's a loss really.

Thanks!

NP anytime.

Yucky rainy day. Thank goodness I'm only two hours from being done. Then probably a two hour warm shower to thaw out. Heh.

Might get my post in before dinner. Otherwise late as usual before bed.
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:42, Fri 13 Apr 2018.

Another recruit for the grinder! Currently workin on learnin the system real quick and making a couple Guardsmen. Have a long weekend so, should be done by sunday.

Part of my reason for not posting is because I failed to keep track of my ammo, and I'm worrking on figuring out how much I have for this encounter now.

Biggs...

Even Heavy's start with standard reloads.  the amount of time you had between the last engagement and this one would be more than enough time to swap to a new drum/box of ammo and slot the first one away as 'mostly used' till you can go back and count up the rounds fired by looking at your posts since arriving.

EDIT:

Also Boss was there enough time for me to make those claymores/IED's for the men to blow manually when they run over their areas?  You never told me how many or if I made them but didn't have time to deploy them.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:35, Fri 13 Apr 2018.

It's a separate roll for each fabrication, and you have time for up to three.

10:08, Today: Secret Roll: GSN 1610311843 rolled 53 -- 1 degree of success using the Only War system with a target number of 60 with rolls of 53.  Creating homemade Claymores with Fyceline from doors (manual detonation wires added later).
10:08, Today: Secret Roll: GSN 1610311843 rolled 59 -- 1 degree of success using the Only War system with a target number of 60 with rolls of 59.  Creating homemade Claymores with Fyceline from doors (manual detonation wires added later).
09:40, Wed 11 Apr: Secret Roll: GSN 1610311843 rolled 39 -- 3 degrees of success using the Only War system with a target number of 60 with rolls of 39.  Creating homemade Claymores with Fyceline from doors (manual detonation wires added later).

So they are more IED's than claymores from what you were telling me that we trigger by overwatching to 'click' the detonator I'm assuming?

Well, they are IED-like of you put them in the room 'anyplace'...they can be directed blasts with a combination of the flak armor plating and a wall to support it. Unfortunately you don't have time to put them out in the hall right now so either emplace them left and right of the main doors, or in front of the door leading out to the ledge, or along a wall that you can funnel them toward.

Or, give them to TwoBit, let him use his Mega Sprint ability to get out in the hall, absorb one round of attacks, then sprint/disengage back to the room...? ;)

Oi, I didn't spent *that* much time hanging around Sawbones :D

Daamn Ramirez, I was wondering where all the nat 10s were going....

We'll go with the basic approach.

One on either side of the doors and one at the top facing outwards.  Then we've got some last minute defensive capability downstairs and upstairs.  I don't want to blow the upstairs one initially so they feel like thy can mass to run in so I can get a good swath of them.

So the guys downstairs have the triggers for the other two.

I'm rolling too well to survive this encounter.

Keep a krak grenade in your pocket for emergency !!heroics!! :D

Why keep a grenade in the pocket when I can pull the pins on all 18 and hug a Carnifex?

You need them to be frags for the blast otherwise the only thing that will happen is the Chaos Kool-Aid Chaos Marine will erupt from you pulping yourself and screaming ‘Oooooh Yeeeeeahhhh!’

That would be worth it, honestly.

Yeah it would, wouldn’t it, lol.

No you see because I'd be hugging the 'fex, instead of using a grenade launcher I am the grenade launcher. Because science.

That’s why it won’t work.  Cause 40k science.

You underestimate the power of sacrifice in the name of The Emperor. Probably because you're Zakurian.

Do I need to repost the hugging unyuufex?

Edit: once, in band camp 5th ed. IIRC, I nuked a Devilfish in CC with a krak grenade.  Vehicle explodes, hits a single SM with a Str 3 AP - hit...and kills him.  I think he stuck the grenade up its tailpipe and forgot to pull his hand out.

Still, proper Imperial Heroics (TM) that we should all be so lucky to achieve.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:08, Fri 13 Apr 2018.

Actually since I’m Zakurian we have the science of sacrifice down to Omnissiah approved calculations.  Currently you’re not worth enough to the Emperor to be a suitable sacrifice for greater events.  You’re just SOL for the moment when it comes to meaningful sacrifice.  Of course your sacrifice, despite not being meaningful, will shift the calculation by 1.  ;-)

Bah, you're killing me here sucking up all the good luck Ramirez ;)

Decisions decisions...drop the plasma and probably get us perilously close to the 10% threshold, or FP reroll?  Need a bit more data....

AC, how much damage did I do to the temple last time?

From the archives that you can't see:

"Secret Roll: Adeptus Custodes rolled 0 using 1d3-1 with rolls of 1."

Dropping the bomb it is, then :)

Edit: and assuming I have the same choice for damage as last time, we'll go with the d3-1 again.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:47, Fri 13 Apr 2018.

Sorry...I must have blinked. Where's the bomb again? ;)

It's a bad sign that I looked at that and was wondering why he was dabbing
This message was last edited by the player at 20:25, Fri 13 Apr 2018.

Where my tabletop nerds at? Came up with a Terrible™ 2500pt Guard list for 8th edition:

Regiment: Tallarn
Battalion Detachment: 2x Company Commander; 3x Infantry w/ Mortar; HWT w/mortar
Battalion Detachment: 2x Company Commander; 3x Infantry w/ Mortar; HWT w/mortar
Battalion Detachment: 2x Company Commander; 3x Infantry w/ Mortar; HWT w/mortar
Super-Heavy Detachment: 3x Stormlord w/2x Lascannon sponson pair & Storm Bolter

Three Stormlords on one table? Can't afford a Titan mini so you go the other direction. Huh. :)

Biggs, that's a good free shooting but you still need to roll a new initiative test. Remember to either roll an extra d10 and take the highest OR add +2 to your result.

I rolled initiative and it's definitely in my post.

22:25, Yesterday: GSN 1801041055 rolled 16 using 3d10 with rolls of 7,2,7.  Initiative [3d10] Take Highest.

So he went with an extra d10.

Biggs, though, I'm not sure how you got to a 9 from there unless you only have an Ag bonus of +0 and for some reason aren't using the advantages of Zilch giving everyone better Initiative bonuses from him having Combat Formation.

Because of Combat Formation you can use either your AG Bonus or Zilch's Int Bonus of 5.

You might have an AG Bonus of 5 but then your Initiative roll would be d10+5+2 with the last +2 coming from Paranoia that all Zakurian's have making your final number a 14 and not a 9.

I didn't add Zilch's bonus because I assumed I wasn't in range. I did go with the extra d10. I also forgot to add the Paranoia bonus.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:10, Sat 14 Apr 2018.

Ok I saw the I:9 a the start of your ooc but the only d10 rolls were the AC shots. I figured there was a math issue and you were working it out. :)

Update will be right after work since everyone is done for the turn. Probably about 6-7 hours from now.

Combat Formation doesn't have a range.  Really what it is supposed to represent is Zilch both calling out small relevant facts over the comms as well as he essentially providing battle footage, going over better ways to handle foes and theoretically if we had some 'practice time' to run simulations do that.

Long as I survive and make it out of the mission Zilch should be going up another 1 on his bonus to get up to a 6...unless AC offers us something particularly tasty to divert xp and choices away from what I'm planning so far.

Ok so to clarify what I'm seeing with Biggs: he is taking his free overwatch shot at the start of the round when Niner announces incoming, and then on his initiative this round he is readying/overwatch again so he can hit the horms when they come into PB range?

Otherwise, if you want to shoot again this round (assuming you go before their movement) do so at short range. Or take the gamble that your 14 beats their whatever and do the other thing...

So Biggs, in an effort to learn the system, just ran me through a one(ish)-shot (we hang out). He made a Regiment, The Stormvault 21st "Savages" Close Assault Troops, had me make a character (Hash, the melee-focused Weapon Specialist), and ran me through a little mission to kill some cultist assholes.

After a Perfectly Fine & Totally Not Suspicious™ Warp travel, we were brought to muster for inspection. After a few terrified Guardsmen were executed (we're Primitives and this was our first space voyage), some Cultists broke rank and shouted FOR THE DARK GODS! Naturally, I was first to chop the fuck out of some traitors with my Best Mono-Greatsword, Hamstring. This made me my Commissar's favorite.

Our ship suddenly started getting shot at and we were ordered to the landers to get planetside. After nearly crashing (and getting knocked unconscious), Commissar Arobos woke me up and took Hash and Male Man (my lovely lady Comrade) to a temple where the Company had made the FOB. After some rest and knife-sharpening, the platoon was called to action to retake a captured missile silo the cultists were going to use to blow up the planet.

Hash and his squad (Commissar Arobos, Father Vicarus, and Sergeant Jenkins) were ordered to breach the front doors while two other teams went underground and from the roof. Armed with a Flamer (our Regiment's favored weapon), Hash fried the fuck out of the welcoming party. Going further in, the squad interrupts a ritual to Tzeentch. Hash uses his trusty flamethrower, Storm-blessed, to fry the hell completely out of one of the cultists, severely burn the other, and set that fucking nerd Psyker on fire. The nerd panicked, the other cultist hugged him to put him out, then died from secondhand being on fire. Hash charged the psyker to use his jammed Flamer as a club, hit the psyker in the fuckin face, and then watch as he Periled so hard an Bloodletter showed up because Khorne wanted to dickpunch Tzeentch.

Naturally, the Commissar realized they'd better just shell the whole building and risk a Chernobyl. He ordered Hash to vacate and make a tactical retrograde advance. Trained in the use of grenades and knowing he needed to do something, Hash pulled pins one by one and left a Hansel and Gretyl trail of Fuck You Daemon. Hash now thinks grenades can make building shake, because he didn't realize they were being shelled. Safely off-site, Hash and The Gang are now in the possession of the Ordo Hereticus to be debriefed.

All in all, fun first session. Sadly, the daemon killed Sergeant Jenkins as he tried to fight it.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:50, Sat 14 Apr 2018.

No, I think it's best if I set up overwatch and shoot when they hit point blank. I need to roll my attacks for that. Also, based on Zilch's comments my initiative should be at 16. I'll update my post accordingly.

As a bit of extra commentary on 1751's post, the Psyker was so enraged by the Audacity that some imperial swine hit him in the jaw that Khorne took noticed and said 'I got you fam' and summoned a bloodletter to avenge him.

High winds and sleet to end my day, with a warning of random power outages. If I don't post tonight by computer I'll toss something up by phone in the morning.

Also, Two-bit should buy a lottery ticket or something!

Secret Roll: Adeptus Custodes rolled 1 using 1d3-1 with rolls of 2.  damage to shrine.

Already did ;)

I will be keeping my day job

A reminder that the 'beast xenos' in the tyranid swarm that have instinctual behavior trait are effectively immune to suppression when within range of a synapse creature. The hybrids, however, gain no such benefit, so Ramirez' Suppressing Fire action is only going to be effective against those targets, and therefore so, too will his hits.

If you'd like to change that action or those targets, feel free to do so in the next 13-ish hours. :)

Are the Lictor variants Synapse creatures? It'd have been nice to know that. Traditionally, neither stealers NOR lictors are.

Whatever. Instinctive Behavior in the DW CRB says they get Fearless and Frenzy whether or not there is Synapse, so switch the targets to the hybrids, then. Let's get the dakka pinned so the lesser melee force can be dealt with.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:26, Mon 16 Apr 2018.

You're the one who said shoot the big ones first so...assume all big ones control small ones.

Zilch might understand the specifics behind synapse creatures with a little detail but unless AC lets me pick up Psy 1 as an advance with Psyniscience, or my auspex in my head gets upgraded to be also a psyocculum (which that would be a hella cool archaeotech upgrade too) I don't think we're going to really know for sure which are the nodes.

In reply to GSN 1610311843 (msg # 166):

I fully support Zilch getting a psyocculum.

Nope...look at the initiative track I posted in the bottom of the first turn. You'll see. :)

It's not shoot the big ones, it's shoot the ones with the big heads

>Hybrid Leader

Callin' it now; it's a Patriarch aka Broodlord.

It might be a Magus...

Either way, fisticuffs is clearly the way to go :P

Edit: AC, since I go after the horms should I be rolling for melee instead?
This message was last edited by the player at 16:40, Mon 16 Apr 2018.

If you are the fourth person in the front lines, yes. If you are in the back rank they will be randomly rolling to see who they leap at, so it's up to you then if you want to prepare for PB shooting or prepare for melee. I just don't know yet.

9 horms charging - X dead from shooting - 6 in melee in front row = maybe 3 that make it to the room...

A lot depends on Biggs' shot this turn and Jansen/Holt/Niner actions.


Edit: removed unnecessary information. :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:30, Mon 16 Apr 2018.

I already applied the bonus to shooting. Also, I don't have the Awareness skill, so any check is looking for a 7 or less. Basic Perception I do marginally better at.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:26, Mon 16 Apr 2018.

I'll leave my actions as is, in that case.  Since I have Target Selection shooting into melee won't matter for me.

Since I beat everyone with my init I'm sticking to blowing up the party poppers at the appropriate times :)

If I read your prep work right, you have two facing out right now. Blow one or both on the hormagaunt wave, wait two rounds for the hybrids, or wait for the wave after that. I'm still not clear where the third one is 'above the door' and what arc it is facing.

Two are downstairs where the major waves are and the big doors are.  One is upstairs outside the doorway on the walkway by the glass dome to cover our asses from them climbing up and coming at us from behind.

At the moment he's not going to blow them on the hormaguant wave.  He may on the hybrids or may wait for the last.  He doesn't want the ones with actual smarts to realize it till it's too late.

Wow AC, that's...a lot of rolls O_O

I have the day off...so it's actually pretty ok. I omitted the ones for Boomer and the failed dodge of the genstealer in the doorway. Messy thing, that. ;)

15:44, Today: Adeptus Custodes rolled 33 using 1d100 with rolls of 33.  Boomer storm bolter overwatch.
15:45, Today: Adeptus Custodes rolled 77 using 1d100 with rolls of 77.  GS dodge boomer.

EDIT: Sorry! I forgot to include the actual hit they got on your squad from the dice roller. It was the one against Ramirez...

15:08, Today: Adeptus Custodes rolled 48 using 1d100 with rolls of 48.  charge vs Ramirez.
15:08, Today: Adeptus Custodes rolled 11 using 1d10+4 with rolls of 7.  leg hit on Ramirez.

Please dodge, parry, or let the sister take the hit for you, Ramirez. :/
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:01, Mon 16 Apr 2018.

Any pen?

EDIT: If there's no pen, then I'll just soak it to take a crippling 1 damage.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:26, Tue 17 Apr 2018.

So...

I'm going to let the genestealer in up top.  In doing so I will be able to hit 1d2+1 of the remaining three genestealers with the party popper up there that you haven't seen yet.  Tough call but really one has a good enough Ag bonus to possible Dodge the blast.  At least if I hit two or three odds are one might fail and we'll knock them good.

In reply to GSN 1612091751 (msg # 181):

Horms hits have been around Pen 4.

Yeah, Pen 3 on normal melee attacks Pen 4 when they leap/charge and spear you with them spiky arms. Thank goodness the GS don't get +1 on charges, too.

I should actually pick up Awareness and Dodge as skills...

Dodge is always something I try to pick up right out the gate.  It's universally useful and pretty cheap even without fully matching aptitudes.

Not as strong in melee as Parry, but as an initial investment pays far greater dividends.

I agree with above. Also one of the basic movement skills athletics and acrobatics is good to have. It helps to navigate the terrain better

Remember tonight is my weekly tabletop gaming so probably no update, so no rush to get posts in - though I've enjoyed being able to post quickly as I was off or not busy the last few days. I think the setup for the 1000th post in the first IC thread will be pretty awesome at this rate. :)

Yeah it's looking like it will be a dramatic end...

Hopefully not ours but there are quite a few GS's out there still alive, and a lictor, and a magus. ;)

Edit:

I wanna help Boomer but it'll just get me killed too.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:15, Wed 18 Apr 2018.

...really, I'm beginning to wonder if there's actually something wrong with the machine spirits in my gun.  I think at this point I've earned the right to get angry at the dice.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:28, Wed 18 Apr 2018.

Wow guys we're completely surrounded in such a target-rich environment.

With the hybrids not being and to surge in like hormies or stealers it's going to get very full very quick.

But that's why I haven't blown the forward explosives yet *rubs hands together*

Maximum carnage and the only way Zilch can kill things... :)

Technically, Two-bit, you weren't required to roll on the WP test because I said it only targeted the four front line guys. If you take that into consideration then you fail the dodge, fail dodge on WP reroll, but hit with a 20 on your plasma shot. Is it worth the pain of a wounding hit to think you can plinking the leader like that, or would I just be baiting you if he avoids the shot through psyker trickery? :)

Ah, I had thought I was included in that "front line guys" thing since I intended to stick my perfectly-formed buttocks there.

A crit 2 R to the leg is going to suck what with the Blood Loss effect (can I have Sleepy suck up the hit on the failed Parry?), but if I can stick him with a maximal hit it might be worth it.  At least the psyker trickery will seem fair whereas rolling 99+ on FOUR F---ING ROLLS IN A ROW* does not.

I mean, I didn't even win a free lottery ticket....

*yes yes, it's technically not in a row in realtime but it if you shift the frame of reference to just shooting the plasma it is

Edit: you may have noticed I conveniently cheated and didn'tneglected to specify if I was shooting normally or maximal mode.  The intent was, naturally, to hit the bugger as hard as possible because reasons.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:31, Wed 18 Apr 2018.

Well if you had spoken up when I posted the ? In the first round of combat, wondering who would be the right anchor to the line, then it would be you fighting a horm up front instead of Holt. But no one did so he is there and you, Zilch, Ramirez and Boomer are in main temple area behind them.

Where, incidentally, things are going to get worse, not better.

I must have misunderstood where Biggs was...it's fine, seems like it's arguably for the better to have me mid-room.

Right. But Biggs is the left anchor of a 4-man line, and I asked who was taking the far right anchor spot. So you're behind him giving him support from within the room. At least that's how my mind's eye pictures it.

 And really...isn't that all that matters here? :P

nooo Two-Bit stay in the Genestealer Fun Room™

Does this fun room have a ball pit?  I don't see one, and I only have fun with...


...outbeforethingsgetweird ;)

AC, I'm going to roll damage for the maximal plasma shot per your previous suggestion.  I assume the magus will redirect it towards something worth 8% of the temple's value.

Edit: geh, I need to start remembering to subtract my TB before panicking over damage.  I only take 6 wounds from the hit (3 AP left, 3 TB) so I've still got one left.  Shouldn't have spent the FP for that situation...although I probably would have spent it anyway to try to hit the magus and ended up in the same roll order.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:48, Wed 18 Apr 2018.

Hey guys can one of you PM a character sheet? My searches have turned up zilch that I can use here on rpol and it would be most appreciated :P

You called?  Sent you the same blank sheet I've sent others asking.

Most excellent circumstances and timing my friend, well done.

In reply to GSN 1610311843 (msg # 201):

Could you send me one too? All crunch done, but figuring out a suitable layout. Looks like a grocery list at the moment

Biggs...how did you do on your WP save to resist the effects of the enemy psyker? I'm rolling up the turn sequence now.

I succeeded!

Ah, it was yesterday, just found it. Good job. It'll make dying for the emperor even more exciting for you. :)

So I only have to ask who is in range of the remaining IEDs at the doorway and or will be when they come forward if they do?

The magus, if he moves forward, which he hasn't yet. The last three hybrids, technically, are moving forward from their hip-shooting and not in melee yet. The others all got a boost to their movement and have reached the doorway to engage the four in the front line.

AC, how far am I from the GS on Zilch? I feel like Ramirez and Emilia are in the middle of a dance floor and everyone has partners but them. Am I close enough to have PB range on pretty much any GS that got in the line?

EDIT: Also, Zilch, what's your plan of attack this round? I'd like to know what you do before me in the initiative so I can post accordingly.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:46, Fri 20 Apr 2018.

As with Two-bits question of firing Pb into melee, you can indeed move up to gain the range bonus but once you pull the trigger, you are considered in melee...so if it isn't killed by your attack you have to disengage the following round to be able to continue shooting.

My plan is to go Defensive Stance and give that GS a -20 to it's WS while netting myself an extra reaction so I can parry twice.

I'm going to order Everest to blow one of the two IEDs on the three hybrids charging into melee and save the other for the Magus who shouldn't expect there to be a second one waiting.  Though since the Magus goes first if he does advance I'll have Everest blow both to overwhelm his shield and kill everything that's coming.

Word. I'll be shooting at your GS then.

EDIT: AC, I'm not sure if I was around during Two-Bit's question about firing into melee with PB bonus, but I don't follow the logic of the judgement at all. Being 2m away from a target is not the same as being adjacent, which is necessary for a melee attack. Any target fired upon at PB range would still need to make a Move or Charge action to engage the subject firing. I know in the middle of the combat is a bad time to make a case regarding any certain ruling, so I ask that this be revisited after this encounter.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:06, Fri 20 Apr 2018.

Well, I can't be too sad at having a GS sac itself to save the magus from my shot.  One less xeno is one less xeno.  Back to shotguns!

Ramirez: Think of melee as a swirling vortex of fun with a suck radius of 3m.  Emphasis on swirls.  In 40k it's always about the swirls.

Yeah, if you look at the dice roller, the GS made its 'dodge' roll to be able to leap into the path of the plasma; the two front hybrid guards failed theirs and so the autocannon shot went through and hit the magus. He's one sore SOB now.

Edit: Also, the GS completely dodged Zilch's shotgun with 6DoS but I had to find a way to explain why it missed with a 99 roll. ;)
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:13, Fri 20 Apr 2018.

AC, can I both disengage as Biggs then use a FP to switch to Wedge and begin her Frenzy?

I know, you eventually run dry of plausible explanations, dontcha?

Incidentally, I have a very busy weekend coming up (birthdays, all-day volunteer ops, etc) so if I don't post today it may not be until late Sunday.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:43, Fri 20 Apr 2018.

That's not melee, that's ballroom dancing.

It's 40k...

'Plausable' is deniable and par for the course.

Clearly you haven't been in the same ballrooms as me ;)

While it may be 40k, it's still a tabletop RPG with defined rules. None of which imply that being at point-blank range is close enough to get pulled into melee. That's a GM ruling because it's nowhere in RAW.

Following the logic of the ruling, up to 3m movement is not an actual action. Which mean anything with Ag bonus of 3 or less gets a free movement every turn.

How would you then explain the free reorganize movement in tabletop after defeating an enemy or squad?

I am closing an obvious (to me) loophole of people moving to a 3m range to shoot into melee, or at a "stationary" target whose Initiative hasn't come up yet, and then thinking they can move away or not face repercussions from the act. You aren't the first to question it but everyone who has, has agreed.

Still, I am open to discussion from the group like we do every other rule/ruling that isn't 100% popular.

I don't feel consolidation rules in 40k tabletop really have a place in the discussion. Even those rules are an optional movement.

There are enough repercussions with being 2m away (what PB range actually is) from Tyranids. That's getting locked into melee with something super easily because anything but an asthmatic kitten can end adjacent with a Move action. A big reason this "loophole" is coming into light is because the enemy chosen (by the players, if I'm understanding things right) only really have a real threat in melee.

This, coupled with the egregious durability we have from house rules (like Comrades having HP instead of the RAW wound track), means that we aren't dying as quickly as Guardsmen normally do in melee. The shoot 'n scoot ability of moving into point blank, making a shot, and moving back out of the way is a Talent that, at the very least, costs 300xp. It is the prime offender in this "loophole".

The fix for that Talent could have been more easily rectified by adjusting Hip Shooting's wording rather than nerfing any and all point-blank shooting. The rule as it stands discourages any sort of ranged-based builds in this campaign because of how overwhelmingly frequent melee combat occurs.

A change from "As a Full Action, the character may both move up to their Full Move rate and make a single attack with a ranged weapon." to "As a Full Action, the character may both move up to their Full Move rate in a single direction and make a single attack with a ranged weapon." closes that loophole. Hip Shooting will still have some advantage with a wisely-chosen vector, but simple Move actions to get in PB range to then make an attack are still as dangerous as automatically getting locked into melee.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:10, Fri 20 Apr 2018.

But it's not nerfed. You still get the PB shot free from constraints. And if you have the talent then it's no big deal because you haven't ended your movement, you've only interrupted it.

The tabletop discussion is only to show that there are rules for free movement beyond the books in other iterations of this game. It only illustrates that this change to RAW is not without precedent. Yes, the initial enemy force was chosen by the players, but this rule applies to all not just the players.

Also, it seems slightly at odds - this argument for more openness in combat - coming from a person with a previously announced death wish, doesn't it? You just said your characters have an outlandish durability. I would think you'd want this to stay in place, though I could be wrong. :)

I personally disagree with the part about ranged builds being useless; I have always offered the option of letting your comrade step up and take the hits (without benefit of dodge/parry) so that you can remain unengaged and keep firing. Comrades are still expendable crewmen if you want them to be, despite being a backup character in the event the first bites it.

If I don't manage to post tonight, I won't be able to till Sunday.

In answer to your earlier question, yes you can. Sorry I skipped over it.

If we need to wait til sunday for the next deadline because half can't post til then, then that's what we will do I could use an extra day break myself.

I've been using autopistols in melee this whole time because I was under the impression there weren't any circumstances that would allow me to keep using the lasgun.

It’s why I want to do the Sawn-off mod to my shotgun in the hopes of it becoming pistol class to do the same.

Ah...my apologies. I thought everyone had seen those scenes where it happened. I think maybe it's getting along time for me to make an actual Notice thread with these rules and tactical caveats.

Wait, so if I let Wedge take the hit, Biggs remains unengaged?

A House Rules thread would be really helpful.

Correct. It only works for the one opponent; any more after that first one & they go for your primary. Just remember the comrade takes hits without being able to dodge or parry so it's basically straight damage, minus armor and toughness.

Yeah, that's cool. It simplifies my otherwise complex response to the situation at hand. I'll get to posting here ina few minutes.

I got a little sidetracked with GenCon plans and a lady making a cosplay outfit last night, so I guess that gives TwoBit a little longer to take an action. Sorry for the delay, folks.

Also, note that when your comrade takes on the enemy, their only assist is now a melee one; they are engaged and cannot add to your ranged attack with comrade bonuses. It's only logical.

I will be posting sometime today.

Hey guys my computer died, hoping it's just the power supply. Won't be on for a few days

Bummer to hear that, hope you get it sorted soon!  We kind of need the extra firepower ;)

Makes sense just thought from this comment and Zilch being at top of the order and using his comrade order for Everest to blow the IED it would have gotten them.  That said if I gotta wait to blow up seven hybrid backup, I gotta wait.

Yeah they hip-shot and then dropped the guns and went into melee as well. I just omitted that line but accounted for them all in the [bracket] section of the initiative track.

Coo coo.  Like I said, no worries just need to live long enough. :-)

I'd say that swapping to Everest to help fight would be good but I neither have a FP to spend nor would it make sense cause in that same time I need to be Zilch to look at the data...and pray to the God-Emperor that my 50 Int pulls out the 1 in 2 chance of it being good enough.

Just got my copy of Battletech today, so...I'll see you guys in while ;)

The best possible attack roll with one of the worst possible sets of damage rolls...

Can't you swap your Degree of Success for the damage roll?  Aka at 12 degrees your first shot would do a 10 (but no RF), your second would do 10 (cause it's every two degrees for semi-auto) and your third would do 8 for 14, 14 and 12 respectively?

Also...

So I really wish I had seen that Kickstarter in time to back.  Still tempting to get it tonight.

You can only replace with a single damage die, I thought.

If I'm able to replace each hit's damage... Well, please let me know where that is in the CRB so I can know this game better

You can only replace a single die.  Per the attack&damage rules on pg 250:


Personally, if you're dumping all your fire on a single target, I'd move the
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Last night when I logged in to Steam it had a countdown that said 13 hours til release so I went to bed! I've leaned my lesson on early jumps though and will wait for the first patch to come out. I heard there was a problem with AI charging all the time and then resorting to punch/kick combos for disabling. Also, bugs.

I think what TwoBit was going to finish his sentence above with, was that he'd use it on the last successful hit so that good dodge rolls would soak up the low damage ones first. Sound planning. :)

Good lookin out.

In reply to Adeptus Custodes (msg # 245):

Ah, yes.  I then decided that since GS have UAB their minimum # of dodges might be too high to make a difference.  Thought I had deleted it, but I guess editing during a meeting where I'm actually a (marginal) participant wasn't such a good idea.

I took the GOG option for delivery, we'll see how that works.  So glad I'm working from home tomorrow :P
This message was last edited by the player at 15:26, Tue 24 Apr 2018.

So your interpretation is each attack action rolled would benefit from it.

Ergo a two weapon fighter would be able to switch dice on both of their attacks because they are allowed two attack actions ie physically have to roll the dice twice.

That is a very reasonable interpretation.  Attack roll = replace a single dice roll with DoS from damage generated from that attack roll.

Perhaps but then I find it very hard to see how someone could attack an enemy with a single weapon and with such skill that they hit multiple times but only one is actually skillful when it comes to placing the blow importantly.

Then you have a second person who attacks with middling skill and barely hitting with each one but for some reason they would have the option of swapping dice on both attacks.  Why? At that point then it's not a matter of skill allowing you to land your hit in a better fashion it's simply the decision you have to roll the dice multiple times and each time you do you can swap.

There's a reason I'm super glad I apply negatives to Dodge rolls lol

The rules around Unnatural bonuses do funny things to tests relying on DoS

Zilch is saying what I was thinking. This is why it's cool that Jansen has Blademaster. He re rolls miss on the melee attack and takes a separate shot with his pistol for the possibility of another swap on DoS. You should try it!

Tabletop gaming tonight. We are in the middle of being surrounded by Yuan-ti guards and archers and heroes while we try and retrieve an artifact they've 'stolen' from some Red Wizards of Thay. Oh, and they have two basilisks in the next room. Oh, and they have a triceratops penned in another room further down the complex. Oh, and one of our players ended the last session by casting Thunderwave, which set off every alarm in the place. Dumbass.

So, late night posting from me, most likely.

How is Battletech looking so far?

Salvage, salvage, salvage.

I do not kid.

It can be a little risky if you're low on funds but the slightly longer wait nets you something in the realm of at least 10x what you would get if you maximized cash and minimized salvage during negotiations

's looking pretty good.  I did record the first three-ish hours of gameplay for my own journey of self-discovery.  My specs are subpar (2015-era Alienware Alpha) but it seems to run OK--there's a big of lag when it first loads in models (including when stuff blows up) but aside from that no serious graphical glitches.

I did just have a crash right after I finished a forty-minute lance v lance battle, though.  Still afraid to boot it back and up and see where the autosave takes me.

I closest I get to any lag is when I Alpha and my map is off looking at something else and the mech isn't on screen.  Then it moves a little slower but not really worth mentioning.  I'm running with...i5-7600k, 32GB RAM, GTX970 w/4GB RAM, 7,200RPM 1.5TB HDD.

IT BURNS WHEN I PPC

...that seems to be a running theme

the most fun I'll be having with mechs are one of mytwo Arctic Cheetah builds in MWO. Either have the very punchy 6x SPL or 2x ERLL for use in fun trench warfare (like Polar Highlands)

Now I'm getting this weird post-mission bug where a pristine 'Mech comes back with only half its internal structure remaining O_O

savescum FTW

Weird.

Still no issues like that.  Only one I'm getting is my peeps will all get hit with 2 damage from some errant long range weapon and take head hits putting them out of action for weeks.  I can't tell you how many I've dismissed to hire new ones cause they can't avoid getting hit in the head.

"Oh, I'll just stop and do this half-star contract before I proceed with the story mission since it's in the same system."

three head hits later...

"...maybe I'll just fly somewhere else and back while we heal up"

Fly somewhere else?  That costs money.  Stay in orbit and play cards for three weeks...

It's ten minutes to 1 am and my Modem lights are blinking like a Christmas tree. Posting this by phone and going to bed. Will see if I can drag up early enough to finish in morning.

My computer is alive! Luckily it was only the power supply, but I shall mourn the death of it. That power supply lasted me almost exactly 8 years, and it worked fine up until it's final shutdown cycle, not once did it ever short or throttle. It shall be missed, go on and power the lights in the Machine Gods library old friend.

Jack and Jill will be joining.

AC, I did The Thing You Talked About™ and left Emilia in melee so Ramirez could fire his hellgun. She'll be getting chopped up already unless an entirely new stealer is on him.

I needz me a full-auto shotgun.

I think I need a Chainsword

Right. I think she takes 7 & 7? Or 6 & 6? I'll work it out before the next post.

Also, Wedge should have taken a swipe at the GS last round (it's a free action to switch characters) but didn't so I put him on full defense which resulted in only one (possible) hit.

Is it true that unlike WFRP, OW doesn't say that people on full defense get an additional Reaction but can only make one dodge/parry attempt against any single attack? So Zilch and Wedge can roll twice against the Swift Attacks? I'm still reading the minutiae of the various rules for combat.

I could have sworn I read somewhere that you were still limited to one Reaction/attack, but it's not in the description of Full Defense.  Might be in a talent or somesuch.  Will have to do some more poking once Morning Meetings (TM) are done.

Wedge entered frenzy last turn, which is a full-round action, which is why she didn't attack. However, wedge also has combat-master, which allows her to parry while frenzied, so she should be able to parry at least one attack if it comes her way.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:28, Thu 26 Apr 2018.

Emilia takes the 6 & 6, and thus takes 1 Critical Damage.

Maybe there's an addendum for Step Aside that mentions it?

Got it Wedge.

Ok I'll roll that tonight, Ramirez.

IIRC, Critical Damage from Wounds falling to 0 isn't rolled. It instead just goes up the chart. So, if she takes 1 on the head (the roll was 40, reversed is 04 and thus a Head shot. multiple hits allocate the second hit to her head) then its 1 Rending to the head on the Crit table.

Thankfully, she has a helmet.

It's in the base talent description, final sentence:
However, the character may still only attempt a
single Dodge or Parry against each individual attack.

This comports with the language of the Evasion action, which describes failing the test as causing the attack and damage to proceed normally.  A reasonable reading of that would not allow for a second attempt unless a talent or trait specifically said so.

It does give an additional reaction for one.  So using the above mentioned dice swapping as the event if someone with two weapon wielder attacked and rolled twice it would allow Zilch to parry or dodge the first weapons single strike or multiple ones from swift/lightning attack (which multiple DoS on the parry or dodge eliminates additional hits from the first actual dice attack roll) and then the additional reaction could be used to parry or dodge the other hand making a single attack or multiple ones from swift/lightning attack (which multiple DoS on the parry or dodge eliminates additional hits from the second actual dice attack roll).

I specifically did it because I wasn't sure if the GS had two weapon and each arm was attacking or it was a simply swift/lightning attack.  Then as well another joined the attack I'd still be able to try and parry/dodge the second individuals attacks from that one too.

Incidentally, Sleepy has stimms for those who end up with some crit effects they want suppressed.

Can stimms suppress dead? ;)

If they can, I don't want to know where he got them.  I'll just order a double and blithely walk away.

Edit: waiting on updates on xeno casualties so I can figure out where to stick the dakka
This message was last edited by the player at 23:44, Thu 26 Apr 2018.

Updated!

Excellent, will post tomorrow.

If I run another Only War game on RPOL, would you guys be interested in playing?
This message was last edited by the player at 13:25, Fri 27 Apr 2018.

Awww yeee

EDIT: Methinks AC might also enjoy the chance to play OW hehe
This message was last edited by the player at 13:23, Fri 27 Apr 2018.

Only of I can start with max wounds or max FP. I'm a pussy/POG/crybaby when I make the 'perfect build'. ;)

Hahahahahahaha.

More OW carnage is always good though. :)

Hear hear!

There's another game I'm in that's currently recruiting, if anybody wants to play in a penal regiment.

Haha, the regiment for the game I'm building is a Penal one. Also, Two-bit, can you link me to that game. It's not coming up in my search.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:36, Fri 27 Apr 2018.

I'm stretched thin at the moment. I certainly couldn't join another game with a pace like this but I could join and post 2-3 times a week. I'm sure both will fill up quickly though.

And maybe someday we'll get a decent RT game going the way we like :)

There's a slight difference between "filling up" and "gaining players" that goes beyond mere semantics :D

I'd actually be curious to run/participate in an MI-style regiment, as I suspect autoguns are an underappreciated gem of a weapon.

Yes to both of you!

MI - military intelligence?

Was there intelligence in Starship Troopers?

The movie, I mean, not the book.  The book had silly things like "logistics" and "co-belligerents" in it.

The movie was one big propaganda style fun flick.  It sits on my shelves with the second one and third one bookended by a toy of the mechs used in the third movie.

:)

While they said they had intelligence in the end it was the Bugs that had more.

Wow. NOW who's spewing propaganda lol.

Personally, I find the idea of a Bug that thinks offensive

*grins*

Hey I'm dead man walking here.  I'm one stitch away from being split in two like in the various Cube movies and Everest taking control so...

Newcomers, are either of you rolling a Sergeant? I had designs of making a Krieg Melta specialist, but if there's no Sergeant apart from Odd, then I'll come in with a Catachan Sergeant

EDIT: To (sort of) sound off 1055's post, I'm gonna be running some Deathwatch campaigns in the summer to help build fully-written characters for my own Deathwatch collection. I will likely be running a Deathwatch campaign at some point on RPoL. I'll keep y'all appraised of the situation, because y'all are dank and I'd like to have your input/characters you build.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:30, Sat 28 Apr 2018.

So just before I went to bed last night I checked in and saw Zilch hadn't posted yet if he would dodge, burn fate, or succumb to wounds and post for Everest. Then I noticed that my last post was Thursday - great, I've got another day anyway! Wait...that was because of the modem issue Wednesday night. D'oh!

Anyway it's a rainy miserable day at work but easy tasks so we will see how it goes.

Also: Wedge needs to make a toughness test or suffer 13 psychic damage. However, it isn't Wounds you suffer...the 13 points is taken from your current Toughness score and absorbed by the Magus to defend himself. :)

Ah, I hadn't posted yet because you told me to wait in your PM because you were going to put something up first so...

I'll put something up now.

Nope, I got a Plasma Weapons Specialist and more melee oriented medic. The medic was a tossup if it was gonna be a sergeant or not, which since Zilch is currently at -1 wounds I think another medic might be needed.

And burned my last fate point to not be...

The powerful blow cleaves the target from gullet to groin revealing his internal organs and spilling them onto the ground before him.  The target is now quite dead.

Yes I wasn't waiting on you per se, I just got sidetracked with the day I posted VS the 48 hour turn sequence. I botched it.

In reply to Adeptus Custodes (msg # 299):

Already made and succeeded early.

Oi, no stepping on my soon-to-be-tender toes! ;)

Plasma firing team, ho!

Gosh darn I missed it again. I must seem like Gilbert Gottfried out here squinting and shouting and being an arse. lol

AC, I hate to quibble but...

Why do the Zakurians have a Stormraven? Do they not have Valkyries?

Because it's part of the reason why the Inquisition doesn't like you, in your Regimental background/creation. Your regiment 'repurposes' other Imperial unit's things straight off the battlefield, regardless of who is winning or losing, and regardless of who is still around at the end of the fight to salvage it for its rightful owners. ;)

Gives you guys some interesting options later on for vehicles and stuff.

Are Zakurians failed Blood Ravens recruits!??

Hahaha...hadn't thought of that, actually. I won't add it to the fluff of this game but it could be interesting to see pop up in another OW or DW game somewhere...


A reminder to the crew now on the mission parameters:

"The machine is working on its own, so Zilch is free to act as he likes during combat, at least for now. There are waves [squads] of enemies which will continue until the data has been codified and a resolution given by the comms equipment. At that point, someone will have to make a Tech roll to translate the information to Jansen, who will call it in to the command ship.

That will end the mission...then you just have to escape. :)"

Technically they've already got the raw data - hence the ship calling you on the comms like they did - but there is non-transmitted data in the electronic gear that is going to be essential to future missions.

Quick clarification question, am I in fact in melee with the GS on Wedge?

Considering what Everest looks like and AC mentioning that they take things from others without asking first...

Also thanks for the backup Square.  I burned my last FP, not spent it, to survive that last round hence my dead man walking comment.

If Wedge kills it before you go in initiative, then no. If it decides to attack him instead of you, then no. If you want to put Sleepy in harm's way when/if it attacks you, then no.

Otherwise yes! Heh.

Yeah, let me suggest you hold your action until Ramirez [most likely] kills the one on you then move to get that data out of the equipment for Jansen? Or disengage and do it next round...

Hey if I can hold it till I know that it's dead and then move to grab the data then great.

Course I wish we had time before I needed to give it to him cause now without a FP it really is simply a 50/50 chance of getting it right.  Well 60/40 if I jack in with the MIU...but that's still horrible chances in any 40k game.  Now if Zilch could simply download it to his slate and review it later in a non stressful manner we should get better results.

Also...

We're going to leave the sacred armour with the tainted magus?  Sure none of us can use it but...

Any DPS worth their weight in salt protects the Healer.

Gotta say bout that battletech game...

Lady Arano is one stupid ass AI.

<---- waiting for the first patch to come out.

I've got a sgt done. Been away a week and now ready to roll
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AC, remember how I asked when this campaign takes place so I could know if Cadia was blown up or not? Well, Hammer of the Emperor says that Only War takes place in 817.M41 if you were looking for a specific time.

I suffered my one and only blowed up 'Mech in the first liberation battle with her.  She lost a side torso in the first round, so I had to bumrush the opposition with my Blackjack to split the fire.

Fortunately, my PC was piloting at the time, so aside from spending 119 days in the infirmary, no big loss.

Sorry all for the aside away from Only War but...



That first battle on Weldry I was doing my usual...

Slow sweep and destroy.  Then my scout mech ran through the area where the generators were and it considered my force to have breached the walls and gone inside.

So there I was with my one mech where the generators were, a small blurb about Arano figuring that help was needed and my three remaining mechs were up on the hill because that's where I'd positioned them to destroy everything.  At the notification of enemy mechs I did a slow advance to the walls figuring I could bottleneck them cause most of the enemy mechs don't have jump jets and even when they do they tend to not use them cause of the heat issues.

And then she blows down the wall and goes running right at the four mechs in her Kintaro versus that Jenner, Centurion, Jagermech and Trebuchet.

So my scout jumps the wall and does it's best to run, which isn't bad cause he is in a Quickdraw, but my Centurion, Vindicator and Shadow Hawk have to lumber down the hill at full speed and barely clear the wall before she'd been splattered in the four on one combat which she gleefully charged right into the middle of them.

I learned shortly before that mission that I should stay as far away from the objective markers as possible until I could ensure my 'Mechs covered the projected engagement area (although I did run into the same generator issue you had).  I had run my first escort mission where the second wave opfor spawned nearly directly on top of the APCs I was protecting.  Which meant there was literally nothing* I could do to prevent the lead one from getting shot to pieces.

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I decided to savescum a bit to experiment with the scripting.  Turns out all I needed to do was scout ahead with my mediums to the evac zone and position them in the backside of the spawning lance.  Lesson learned ;)

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Yeah I thought the objective markers were pretty clear...blow down the doors or jump over the walls.  Walking through the rubble of the generators didn't exactly fit that unless someone forgot to alter the scripting and made the base totally rectangular...including the generators.

It was the mission right before that that I had to savescum *sighs*

A one skull mission eliminating a damaged heavy lance.  What was actually there?
Orion, Orion, Cataphract, Thunderbolt.  The supposed light vehicle support?  Catapult, Catapult, Trebuchet, Trebuchet.

Talk about bad intelligence or a particularly vengeful AI at having lost so many times till that point.  I save in case of glitches but never had to backtrack out of even taking the mission before that one.  That one was horrible...

That's my second savescum story, spawning in the pincer between two lances that outtonned me by around 250%--I think I was running around 185 tons, see a full lance of ~250 tons move up on the left, and *then* I see a Catapult K2 from the "reinforcement lance" crest the hill on my flank...

That's where I collected a sufficiently large sample of iterations to definitively determine that the opfor is rerolled every time you reload the mission ;)

Anyhoo, back to the job at hand, I continue my streak of crap RF rolls....

Interesting.

I've seen some really quirky OpFor compositions.  Only had that one really, really bad one though.  Well you're alive and doing RF's so that's a plus :)

Waiting on AC to see if my estimation of a post is what he's looking for.

I suppose on the plus side, even with the anemic effects of an E RF 1 to the arm, we might be saved a very angry flipped bird as we sail away in triumph.

Good to know, thanks!

AC, is there any bit of the Magus visible to The Twins?

EDIT: I ask, because Ramirez (and Emilia, for that matter) specifically have Talents to negate penalties for Called Shots

EDIT 2, The Electric Boogaloo: Will the new Sarge's Get Them! affect this current turn's Damage?
This message was last edited by the player at 03:45, Tue 01 May 2018.

No, he's hiding below waist level behind two rows of hybrids and a pillar near the top of the stairs. You'd have to move out into the hallway to have a chance at an Awareness check and then you'd basically be in melee with the advancing hybrids.

Yes, his actions at the end of this round affect people next round.

Follow-up: Will Emilia, with Rapid Reload, be able to load a grenade launcher with the remaining 4 spicies we have and will Ramirez be able to take it as a Half action and fire it?

I think Two-bit has a special talent that lets him free-action swap gear with his comrade? I dunno I'm overdue for bed after a long day and just foggy right now. Hopefully his west-coast self will respond while I'm sleeping!

I think Ramirez took the same Armsman comrade talent I did, so it could potentially work (free action to switch, half action to take back?).  The real question is whether the Rapid Reload talent will kick in when it's the comrade doing the reloading.  Arguably that would be one of those "spend a FP" moments, but there's also the rule of cool to consider.

Edit: I'm thinking of dropping a smoke grenade in front of the advancing hybrids to cut down on the return fire...I know that will likely interfere with the twins' plan to spicify the magus but aside from that, any objections?
This message was last edited by the player at 13:51, Tue 01 May 2018.

What is needed to get into the action? The storm raven was 25m from the dome doorway. Do we need to jump or climb down?

Because of the wind the snow is only a few inches thick, with a solid base (not slippery like the dome). So whatever it takes you to cross that distance. Then you're in the temple and can engage the enemies through the large double doors (they will gain cover bonuses for the doorway and pillars).

Running is 6x your AB, so it should take 1-2 full rounds of running to get inside.  Of course, why you'd ever want to leave the warm confines of a Stormraven for the warm confines of a genestealer's digestive tract is beyond me ;)

Here's the link for my only war game for those who are interested. I've turned on the accepting players flag,  but I haven't advertised it yet so I can make sure that those of you who are interested in this end have access.

link to another game

Watch this gif and tell me you still even want to contemplate fighting orks in the next section of the campaign:

https://www.facebook.com/19792...91159/?fref=mentions

You're giving us Astartes armor!

Nah I'm sure ultimately it's just reconfigured Sororitas power armour that will make the Eccesiarchy even more pissed at us.

Haha no...you are *returning* this armor when you get back to the fleet -slash- base camp. Everest will have to make due with his normal chewed-up uniform.

Though if he could somehow not only pull off filtching the armour but also getting the tech priests to implant some black carapace in him to let him actually wear it...that would be a pretty good reason for the Inquisition to be very concerned, lol.

Well he's getting a zap from the field for sure but I dunno about the rest!

A reminder tonight is my tabeltop gaming. Late post, after Sarge puts his in the lineup.


On the subject of loot - You folks can either choose the item type (for the archeotech) and distribute it yourselves or you can choose the character and I'll choose an appropriate item, weapon, or armor to give them. Hint: I'm a big fan of the loot system on DOW2 so...

"Hmm, I need to boost my corruption as high as possible for my Evil Marines run...I'll just go ahead and equip/unequip this a couple times...."

Before rushing into combat range... What kind of gear is available for our characters? AC told me to ask you. Sarge and Snails are only proficeint with solid weapons

He is mostly curious about the customization options new characters get. I told him it's best to ask the veterans and see what they advise. :)

Assuming this is in reference to the 30 points we get to play with, you have a pretty wide variety of options.  We've had medics with sniper rifles, guardsmen with bolters, a plasma gunner with a cybernetic blade built into his arm...wait, that last one should be *have*

If you're not planning on getting other weapon proficiencies, I would recommend choosing a combat (or RP) theme and sticking with that initially, then fleshing out with your remaining points.  In my case, I built Two-bit to be a plasma master right from the get-go, which means I wanted to synergize his bonuses when firing on maximal mode.  That meant a red-dot sight as the #1 item on my list, which gives me a +10 when I fire on single shot.  Some further breakdown of my thought process:

• I was worried about being able to see and hit things in the dark, so photocontacts (or goggles if you don't want to be as awesomely stylish as me) were a must.
• I've previously used inbuilt blades and they're even more awesome when your DM lets you synergize that with the Street Fighting talent.  Ergo, more spent points on that.
• Firebombs are cheap and highly effective.  3 more points.
• Etc.

Eventually I got down to 1 remaining point, so...extra underwear it was.  I don't think even extra lho is that cheap.

Alternate ammo (since you're using SP weapons) is a reasonable expenditure but keep in mind it won't refill automatically like other regiments' standard kit.  Trading opportunities are common, however, and a sergeant could be pretty decent at commerce with the appropriate training.

For a melee combatant, a tox dispenser would be pretty nice and not all that expensive.  A Best quality Shield like Zilch has if you're not going TWF.  Hand cannon+recoil gloves if you are.  Upgraded armor.  [shameless plug for eviscerator]

Final thought for the time being: Item availabilities can be modified by lowering quality (with AC's permission) to make some items (like the aforementioned bolter) more affordable.  So if you have a Very Rare item you want, that might be a path to consider.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:48, Wed 02 May 2018.