OOC: Discussion: The Stories We Share.   Posted by Control.Group: 0
Control
 GM, 149 posts
Fri 5 May 2017
at 08:11
OOC: The Stories We Share
In prior games--DFRPG games--I'd used the mechanism of a single shared story to define how the PCs all came to know each other.  This game will be no different.

While I'm putting the elements together for the first conflict, I think we could benefit from workshopping a story together.  Here's my opening.  The only thing I want out of this is for the story to end in either a wedding-proposal or a death, so that I can start the game off with a wedding or funeral reception...


Nurse Abigail was fit to quit after her third week caring for Willa's husband, Doug.  For weeks, She'd been followed by an enormous black dog... always at the periphery of her vision.   Once they'd moved to Doug & Willa's Medina home, the dog took up residence on the front law--in plain sight, never moving, never wavering.  But it was missing the night a sallow-looking man with greasy hair and big, bulging eyes threatened to kill all the men in Abigail's life.  The only thing that could forestall this was if Abigail turned over the Twigjack.  Neither she nor Willa even knew what a twigjack was.   Then Willa woke one morning to find a creature that couldn't--shouldn't--exist curled up at the foot of her bed.  It was a tiny little thing, no bigger than a housecat.  It looked like it was made of tree-bark... but it breathed, and made cute little noises... Things kind of went sideways from there.


Open to your contribution...  Let's make this up!

This message was last edited by the GM at 23:49, Fri 05 May 2017.

Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 54 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Fri 5 May 2017
at 23:40
OOC: The Stories We Share
So, the threat towards Abigail freaked her out enough that she confided in former work friends about the unusual circumstances.  So a friend of a friend of a friend gives her Gordon's card.  After a few rounds of the three of them telling him what is going on with-out sounding too crazy.  Once they are on the same page and that they were not crazy ("You are not crazy.  That is my professional assessment.   Oh... you have a twigjack squatting.... wait... tell me about the man again."), Gordon decides that while he can handle a twigjack issue, but the rest would be a little beyond his "scope of practice."  Since, there may be a practitioner targeting mortals, he decides to go right to the big guns.

He did what anyone does when confronted with a possible criminal....get the cops.  He calls for a Warden.

He also figures if there is monster that needs to be hunted.....call some monster hunters.

----
I am just trying to get us into the same space.  I really didn't want to go first but my weekends can get weird and I didn't want to miss anything.

This message was last edited by the GM at 23:56, Fri 05 May 2017.

Control
 GM, 152 posts
Fri 5 May 2017
at 23:55
OOC: The Stories We Share
I'm thinking that a Twigjack is a primal fae embodiment of the everliving forest.   Some are good and cute and nice;  others not so much, just like all other species and individuals...  However, when they manifest in an urban setting, their presence will not-so-slowly transform the area into a veritable woodlands.  They are rare, difficult to contain.  Me, I rather envision a variation on Baby Groot.

This is a thematic creature I enjoy playing with a lot. But it's never been codified one way or the other, so there's no fear of stepping on toes.

This might justify Marcus and The Marshall having some knowledge of it.  Or at least it's theme and nature.

This message was last edited by the GM at 01:30, Sat 06 May 2017.

Luke
 Malvoran Virgin, 26 posts
Sun 7 May 2017
at 20:51
OOC: The Stories We Share
Luke would not know what a Twigjack is. Hearing that one might be a problem, he'd check up with his friends in the Hunters' network for information on twigjacks and black dogs.
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 25 posts
Sun 7 May 2017
at 21:22
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Luke:
Luke would not know what a Twigjack is. Hearing that one might be a problem, he'd check up with his friends in the Hunters' network for information on twigjacks and black dogs.


The Marshal's likely knowledgeable on both, to greater or lesser extent as Control deems acceptable. Hrmmm. Maybe that redundant ASPECT I have should be swapped out to encompass something to regarding experience/knowledge of Denizens/Constituents of The Accords. I'll need to think on that.

CONTROL - is the Black-Dog/Sallow-Looking-Man defined beyond what's presented here, or a nebulous NPC we could flesh out?
Control
 GM, 161 posts
Sun 7 May 2017
at 23:13
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I have ideas, but nothing is yet defined.

Hm... Black Dog is a common metaphor for depression...
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 27 posts
Mon 8 May 2017
at 02:31
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
In COLD DAYS Harry faces some Fae Hounds, which he refers to as little cousins of Black Dogs... and that having faced a Black Dog was an experience that he had no desire to ever repeat.

In folklore they're akin to Ghosthounds/Hellhounds...

http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Fae_hound

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_dog_(ghost)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellhound

I was thinking it might be fun if this guy might be someone/something that The Marshal and Agnes, and maybe Luke, worked together to run out of town before (or the servant of some such person that we'd recognize as a much bigger problem). So, if word hit the streets that XXXX (the Black Dog / Sallow Man) was back in town... Or one of us happened to stumble onto him somehow, it'd make for a solid impetuous to rally.
Control
 GM, 163 posts
Mon 8 May 2017
at 02:38
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Remember that everything reported was reported by mortals not clued-in.

Also, Fomor are often described as:
quote:
By the appearance in Aftermath, Fomors are man-shaped of medium height, sallow skin, greasy black hair and an extremely wide mouth. They have dark, watery, bulging eyes, small sunken noses, long scrawny limbs, and very, very wide hands. They also have flaps of skin on their neck that they breathe air from. They look like a vicious frog, earning them the sobriquet "Frog Men".


But it's open.  Your call what you guys want to do with it.
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 28 posts
Mon 8 May 2017
at 02:48
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Maybe the Fomor chased off The Black Dog then? Or OUR removal of the Black Dog inadvertantly opened the door for the Fomor... or lead them TO the Twigjack. Maybe the Black Dog was it's previous guardian, but we mistook him as a malignant presence and dealt with it accordingly. Now the mantle of guardianship has fallen to another...

Just thoughts. I'm ever bendy.
Control
 GM, 164 posts
Mon 8 May 2017
at 02:56
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I'm not going to make those calls.

I'm looking for you guys to help make up the story.

If something sings oh-my-god this-is-awesome, I'll speak up.
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 60 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Mon 8 May 2017
at 05:37
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Gordon would not be convinced the guy was a Fomor, since the reporters are not clued in, his initial interpretation is that it was a Practitioner using the Twigjack for something.  For power or he summoned it and it escaped or something....which I think may be a violation of the fourth law.  Which is why he called for a Warden.

I think, once we figure out what it the Twigjack is and what is going on with it, it should be a simple manner to send it back or do something appropriate with it (Transplant it to a park or something).  Or....the Twigjack got bonded to the nurse for some reason....it wouldn't take a lot.  Especially if it was fleeing a magician or a Fomor.  All it would need is an excuse... she picked up some litter that got caught in some bushes or removed a flier stapled to a tree (could have been because she didn't like the message on the brochure, but it doesn't matter.  She removed something akin to iron from a tree the Twigjack was using).  And....BOOM!  The nurse now has a familiar of sorts.

Gordon would be more than happy to research the situation and put up wards around the place.  Going toe-to-toe with another practitioner or a Fomor he would leave to the professionals.  He's better at support or back-up in those situations.

I like the idea of the Black Dog being drawn to the place.  Maybe because of all the stress/despair of taking care of Willa's husband is drawing it in.  Or her husband is of significant celtic ancestry and his current condition of being in-between summoned it to be a protector until his situation is resolved.  They all work.

I like the idea of removing the the dog allowed for other things to come in.  Either because it was a benevolent spirit or it was because it was a predator...which would keep other predators at bay (this is mine. get your own).

The situation has at least three situations going on....Twigjack, Dog, and scary man.  Plus whatever else is going on (her husband was attacked by a Fomor).  This could all be from different sources that just line up or could be al related or paired or any combination.  Magic doesn't make things easier....
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 23 posts
Mon 8 May 2017
at 08:22
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Since Black Dogs are associated with death having it linger for Willa's husband works, so too does it being there for a Twigjack. The notion of the nurse ending up with it seems to fit but perhaps it's not entirely an accident. If the entity is associated with trees she has a fondness for that recently perished (so many ways for it to have happened that need not be supernatural) it might be that the Twigjack attached itself to a familiar form to try to move elsewhere, like burrs adhering to animal fur.
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 29 posts
Mon 8 May 2017
at 23:03
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
MY PROPOSAL

I like the idea of the Twigjack escaping the Fomor. Maybe he sensed the nearby Black Dog in it's panic and sought it out as a guardian... but on arrival discovered a better match in the nurse... bonding to the nurse-- choosing her as it's new nurturing guardian. I would think that Gordon would easily assess that the bond is not harmful, but that it's definitely magical in nature and affords HER just as much protection as it itself garners. A sympathetic symbiotic magic of sorts, that at this point MIGHT cause harm to unravel.

The Black Dog was watching over Willa's father, in accordance to the old ways he believed in, and has become an additional layer of protection for the Twigjack.

The Fomor lured the Black Dog away, unable to defeat it, and placed it in the cross-hairs of The Marshal, Luke, and Agnes who inadvertantly killed it-- tricked into thinking it was an Animagus they'd once banished from the city some years back. Upon discovering the manipulation, the trio began hunting the Fomor to exact vengeance and/or thwart it's plan.

On a personal note, however things unfolded from there-- Silas contacts the closest thing to a patron of the Black Dogs in the region (or offers prayer/message to their God/Goddess/Whatever), and swears to uphold the vigil until another Black Dog relieves him... or the man dies... as repayment for his mistake.
Control
 GM, 168 posts
Mon 8 May 2017
at 23:52
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
The man in a coma is Doug, Willa's husband (not her father)...

The events in this story is what prompts Willa to move Doug to a 24-hour care in a suite at the Four Seasons (downtown, near the waterfront).  She spends much of her time there while repairs to the house are underway.   He can, of course, still have been a believer in "the old ways"...  Perhaps he made the classic deal with a devil (a la Supernatural) and that's how he ended up with Willa...

I like the idea that Abigail becomes bonded with the Twigjack... for whatever that ends up meaning.

Who do you folks think would be a likely patron for the Black Dog?
Agnes
 Warden, 51 posts
Tue 9 May 2017
at 02:08
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share

The Fremont Troll (http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/fremont-troll) might make a suitable patron for the dog.   The dog was one of his creatures that helps him keep an eye on the city.

I rather like the idea of the Troll's dog went missing, and he sent the Twigjack to find it but..it's not terribly reliable.  And Abigail is such a good gardener.

Why did the Fomor target Doug in the first place?  Does he have something they want?
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 30 posts
Tue 9 May 2017
at 03:16
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Agnes:
The Fremont Troll (http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/fremont-troll) might make a suitable patron for the dog.   The dog was one of his creatures that helps him keep an eye on the city.

I rather like the idea of the Troll's dog went missing, and he sent the Twigjack to find it but..it's not terribly reliable.  And Abigail is such a good gardener.

Why did the Fomor target Doug in the first place?  Does he have something they want?



The details are for US as a group to decide-- my suggestion has the Fomor targeting the Twigjack. The Dog doing it's "Black Dog" duties regarding Doug.

Just my proposals though, nothing's in stone without a consensus
Agnes
 Warden, 52 posts
Tue 9 May 2017
at 10:29
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
In reply to The Marshal (msg # 16):

I like the idea of the Fomor trying to get the twig jack.  But I guess I wouldn't mind following a semi-hallucinatory dog around to find out about future missions?   Or does Agnes need a weirdly convenient pet? :)

I wouldn't mind generating some ideas about why Doug was attacked in the first place.
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 64 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Tue 9 May 2017
at 17:08
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I think Control had him get attacked to get Wila in the game as a new mover and shaker.  Finding out what hurt her husband and to protect her interests (and maybe revenge).

I like the idea that maybe he was more into the supernatural than she was (maybe he was protecting her.  Not form anything specific but much like Harry did in the early books.  He kept people safe by keeping them out of it).  Maybe he did have dealings with some supernatural.  So, it could be as simple as when the Fomor moved in because of the power vacuum, he was on the list as possible stumbling blocks to taking the city.  He lacked the personal power and the connections to protect himself (being just clued-in).  So, he went down in the first assaults Fomor made on the city.

If I remember correctly, the books indicated that Seattle was hit hard by the Fomor when the Red Court fell.
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 31 posts
Tue 9 May 2017
at 18:39
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
^^I like this.

Another thought: Maybe the Black Dog is actually a courtesy from a higher power for Doug's sacrifice? Much like the Carpenter's have Archangels watching the house, for his "service" as a "priest/follower" of a Celtic God/Power they sent to Dog to ease/safeguard his passing?
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 65 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Tue 9 May 2017
at 21:27
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
ooooo..... yes.  I like that.
Control
 GM, 177 posts
Wed 10 May 2017
at 04:28
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share


I like the idea that it was sitting vigil, expecting Doug to die.  Perhaps the Fomor are actually extending Doug's life.  converting him into a servitor of sorts...  And this process has interfered with the natural progression of things that was supposed to happen.

I've used the black dog before...  A Hound of Morrigan... she had three:  Rhue, Rhemors and Rhegrette.  If she's coming into it, this will definitely impact The Marshal's ties with Duchess Haibrella.  This one won't have been Rhue.   Perhaps Rhegrette...
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 66 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Thu 11 May 2017
at 04:50
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Well...this isn't getting complicated at all.

I LOVE IT!
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 32 posts
Thu 11 May 2017
at 11:46
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Works for me
Narrator
 NPC, 5 posts
Sat 13 May 2017
at 07:29
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
NARRATOR:
Nurse Abigail was fit to quit after her third week caring for Willa's husband, Doug.  For weeks, She'd been followed by an enormous black dog... always at the periphery of her vision.   Once they'd moved to Doug & Willa's Medina home, the dog took up residence on the front law--in plain sight, never moving, never wavering.  But it was missing the night a sallow-looking man with greasy hair and big, bulging eyes threatened to kill all the men in Abigail's life.  The only thing that could forestall this was if Abigail turned over the Twigjack.  Neither she nor Willa even knew what a twigjack was.   Then Willa woke one morning to find a creature that couldn't--shouldn't--exist curled up at the foot of her bed.  It was a tiny little thing, no bigger than a housecat.  It looked like it was made of tree-bark... but it breathed, and made cute little noises... Things kind of went sideways from there.

GORDON:
The threat towards Abigail freaked her out enough that she confided in former work friends about the unusual circumstances.  So a friend of a friend of a friend gives her Gordon's card.  After a few rounds of the three of them telling him what is going on with-out sounding too crazy.  Once they are on the same page and that they were not crazy ("You are not crazy.  That is my professional assessment.   Oh... you have a twigjack squatting.... wait... tell me about the man again."), Gordon decides that while he can handle a twigjack issue, but the rest would be a little beyond his "scope of practice."  Since, there may be a practitioner targeting mortals, he decides to go right to the big guns.

 He did what anyone does when confronted with a possible criminal....get the cops.  He calls for a Warden.  He also figured if there is monster that needs to be hunted.....call some monster hunters.


So... How do Luke, Agnes and the Marshall fit into the story?  What did they do?  What happened?  Who died or is getting married?

This message was last edited by the player at 07:29, Sat 13 May 2017.

The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 34 posts
Sun 14 May 2017
at 00:36
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
SUGGESTION -- We should take a page from the original DFRPG. When you weave yourself in, bring/create/introduce a plot twist/complication. That provides avenues for others to contribute...
Control
 GM, 186 posts
Sun 14 May 2017
at 00:59
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Yes please.

We've discussed what the back-story behind this story was: the relationships between the black dog, the sallow-looking man, and Doug...

I'm interested to know what happened next!

And yes, I am killing time until I move.
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 26 posts
Mon 15 May 2017
at 12:36
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
The thing that gets to me at the moment is that the threat by the sallow man is targeted at the men in Abigail's life. It doesn't seem like a Fomor effort. They are almost certainly involved but at a different angle.

It might be that on the night Sallow shows up the Dog is absent due to running off some Fomor. Sallow takes advantage of that to demand something that Abigail did not even know she had at that time. So he likely had other information to know if would be being given to her or coming into her possession.

Might she be being wooed by a supernatural creature rather awkwardly? The Twigjack may represent an entire garden rather than the traditional flowers but it could be a reason for it appearing.
Willa
 Clued-In Mortal, 10 posts
Mon 15 May 2017
at 21:22
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
So...


Abigail's little stick-man was cute, if creepy.  Willa didn't understand the nurse's attachment to the little thing.  But a woman has to draw a line in the sand at some point, and if Abigail didn't want to give up her new pet, that was her call to make.  Nobody threatened her friends and family!

At least, that's what Willa thought.  Right up until she came home from work one day to find an enormous ash tree had sprouted up inside the house!  Not only that, but much of the space around Doug looked more like a meadowland grotto than the converted hospital room it should have been.

It was simply too much!   Willa demanded that Abigail turn the little stick-man out.   Abigail pleaded Willa, but Willa was adamant.

Abigail argued, pled with Willa, And Willa fired her.   She was not going to put her husband's life at risk!

By the time Abigail had gathered her things, she couldn't leave the house...  A veritable wall of thorns had grown all around Doug's wing...  Willa and Abigail were trapped!

And what's worse... There were all sorts of strange sounds coming from the grounds, outside...  Something was coming for them.




I'm now looking for some sort of heroic act or act of devotion to Doug on Abigail's part that would justify Willa having immense trust in the nurse during the game... Enough to rehire or cancel the job-termination, at least.

This message was last edited by the player at 22:01, Tue 16 May 2017.

Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 69 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Mon 15 May 2017
at 21:54
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
At least it was trying to.  While the women could not get out and were trapped, whatever was on the outside was getting it worse.  Heavy thorned vines whipping at the shadows outside.  Shadows that would retreat in pain.  It was not trapping them, but protecting them!  But for how long?

Abigail managed to leave a message with the 'Monster Hunters' at number Gordon left her, but then her phone died.  And Gordon was supposed to be coming over with some people for Willa to meet.  But when?

Of course, if they did make it in time, they had to still get through the shadows and the thorns.

Abigail had the epiphany that the shadows were after Doug.  So, she pushed Willa into his quarters and asked the Twigjack to seal it up.  Which the little guy did.  Since they were trying to get to Doug through her, she would help fend them off until help (hopefully) arrived.

She grabbed the poker from the fireplace because someone told a lot of things don't like iron and then steeled herself to protect her charge.
Control
 GM, 196 posts
Tue 16 May 2017
at 22:04
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
So...  How do Agnes, Luke, Marcus & The Marshall get involved in the current scene?

You've developed enough reason for your characters to be around and involved.  But now there's something going on...  Abigail and Willa are trapped in Willa's house...  There's some sort of conflict going on outside their cell of thorns...

What's happening?
Agnes
 Warden, 60 posts
Tue 16 May 2017
at 23:04
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
It is a truth universally acknowledged that when there are innocent people trapped in a house by a wall of thorns, someone is going to call on a Warden to sort the mess out.   Maybe it has something to do with the shortage of princes.   Maybe it was the success of the 1-800-Law-Call campaign.

Regardless of these reasons, Agnes dutifully showed up at the house with armor under her gray cloak.  Sword and wand at her hip. A buckler on her arm. A cup of coffee in hand.

She rings the door bell.

OOC: Was there some kind of decision about Doug?  Is he a wizard or a scion or something?

This message was last edited by the player at 23:08, Tue 16 May 2017.

Control
 GM, 198 posts
Wed 17 May 2017
at 00:49
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Doug's nature was not definitively defined.  You have full latitude to take it where you wish. 

So... what happened?
Agnes
 Warden, 61 posts
Wed 17 May 2017
at 02:21
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Does anyone have any thoughts on this: Doug is an regular human or a changing that declared for his human side of the family.  He is (or was) an excellent investigative reporter.  He was investigating what seemed to be an unusual number of marine mammal deaths in the Seattle coast.  He went to meet with one of Agnes' friends (the FBI agent) to visit a beach where one of the night scuba tours had seen some strange lights.   But according to Agnes' friend, he never showed up. Doug was found in his office the following morning, unconscious.  Luke's finance would know about the seals become ill/dying and may have volunteered to help save some of the orphaned baby seals.

Marshall may know that the seals are actually Selkies, part of the Wild court's coastal defenses. Maybe he wants to know what Doug knew before he was put into a coma?

This message was last edited by the player at 02:24, Wed 17 May 2017.

Willa
 Clued-In Mortal, 11 posts
Wed 17 May 2017
at 06:34
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I prefer that Doug remains human.   After six years together, it would be a huge betrayal of trust for him to suddenly reveal that he had this huge secret heritage...  and that would've brought Willa into the clued-in state a lot earlier.  That's not the dynamic I'm looking for for this couple.

Doug used to work for Synergi Software as a project manager then as director of public relations.  As it happens, I've listed that Doug & Willa have a close friend Clark Heigl who is a reporter for the Seattle Times.

As a director of The Porter Foundation, Doug would probably be approached about all sorts of charitable endeavors.  So, it still works... just possibly without him actually having any real practicable knowledge.

Why do you think the FBI got involved?

This message was last edited by the player at 06:35, Wed 17 May 2017.

Agnes
 Warden, 62 posts
Wed 17 May 2017
at 12:51
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Marine mammals are protected species, and unfortunately it's not impossible that a human would try to poison them or otherwise mess with them.  Also animal smuggling is a huge problem--not so much with seals, because they weigh a LOT and are really not friendly..  But the pups could be kidnapped.   :(
Control
 GM, 199 posts
Thu 18 May 2017
at 05:00
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share

It does add a another huge layer of complications, that's for sure!

How did Agnes get through the wall of thorns (Did she disenchant, attack, cut through... or are the thorns on the inside, maybe?)?

You've provided a placement post, establishing that Agnes is on-scene.  Great!  Then what happened?

I'm still looking for a contribution of some sort from Luke, Marcus, The Marshall.   Anything.  Just make something up and move the story forward....
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 70 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Thu 18 May 2017
at 05:35
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I tried to set it up that anyone could arrive with me if they want.... I am just waiting for input.
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 28 posts
Fri 19 May 2017
at 05:45
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I'm currently waiting on a definitive decision of what happened with the Black Dog. The seeming inference at the moment is that some other characters ended up thinking it was a target rather than innocent so might have mangled it. My notion was that given those things likely travel via Ways Marcus has been aware of it entering the area and gets edgy when it does not make a return trip soon after. Granted its survival would have the same result since it would really take less than a few days before he starts assuming the worst but I'd prefer to be sure before deciding that's the case.
Control
 GM, 202 posts
Fri 19 May 2017
at 07:03
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Don't wait for someone else to make the definitive decision.   Make the decision and move the story forward.   I'm sure if anyone has a major problem with the decision (like an Aspect depends on something), they'll speak up.

Are you thinking that Marcus has an innate awareness of travel through the Nevernever gateways to Oz?
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 30 posts
Fri 19 May 2017
at 07:17
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Control:
Are you thinking that Marcus has an innate awareness of travel through the Nevernever gateways to Oz?


I'm not but I'd imagine he'd likely deputise some of the much lesser Wyld Fae who linger near Ways to keep an eye out for anything going in or out of them. "Great piggin' black dog 'ere 'cause some duid's gonna die." tends to garner some interest even if it is not completely accurate in terms of summary.
Control
 GM, 204 posts
Fri 19 May 2017
at 07:37
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Fair.  thanks.
Luke
 Malvoran Virgin, 32 posts
Thu 25 May 2017
at 21:56
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Luke can show up with a machete to help Agnes cut through the thorn bush.

I can't tell, has a decision been made of what, if anything, is the enemy here?
Control
 GM, 217 posts
Thu 25 May 2017
at 22:49
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
No.  But if you make something up and write it into the story, we'll all run with it.
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 36 posts
Sat 27 May 2017
at 15:01
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
So we're doing more of an ongoing story-circle here than the format used in the original DFRPG then? It might be helpful to use orange for questions / OOC content, so there's a way to see clearly what IS story contribution.

Luke:
Luke can show up with a machete to help Agnes cut through the thorn bush.

I can't tell, has a decision been made of what, if anything, is the enemy here?


Gordon made a mention that our number was called Luke. You COULD seize on being the one to have taken the call (second billing, or not) and showed up-- either simultaneously, or maybe YOU'RE the one who showed up and then called Agnes in to help with the Thorne wall. Gets you on site either way... and it lets YOU decide what the voicemail claims the enemy/problem is from the NPC's perspective. Just because she calls about target XX doesn't mean that has to be the ACTUAL danger. Or, maybe it is.


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Sallow. The word seemed apt enough description for The Marshal's current prey. He'd been tracking the fomor for over a week, ever since he'd breached the Tide Breaks. Silas was pretty confident that the kidnapped Selkies Agnes had mentioned had been a move on someone's part to sneak Sallow into the city-- It removed resistance and witnesses, and fostered a misdirection for the sentinels now distracted in a personnel recovery mission. Jakar would no doubt be upset that The Marshal had handed that trail off to Bilka, who was immediately suspicious of the overture (Whomever found the missing Selkies would garner favor with their faction, and for someone like her that was a glory no one would share without a catch)... but there was something about this Sallow that bothered him. His ability to consistently eldue Silas was a clear indication that he was no minor power, but there was something else. The way The Nevernever AND The Alwaysalways recoiled from him, seemed almost to refuse he'd passed let alone existed... it was... Otherworldly. It was more than collusion, more than some boon granted by spell... Sallow was being ridden by something.

When Silas first registered the house as important, it was the fifth or sixth time he'd passed it. His prey had returned to it's perimeter multiple times, and stopped. The house had previously been safeguarded by a Black Dog. But there was something different this time. The Black Dog was gone, and the house was surrounded by a solid wall of foliage. ANOTHER guardian?! What was inside that house?! Then he saw her. Agnes, looking at the foliage with a look he knew well. She was getting into that house. Silas opened his mouth, intent to warn her off.... and found himself unable to move or speak. Coils of oily air wrapped his limbs tightly and filled his mouth like a gag. He was turned around soundlessly in the air. There he was. Sallow. Only he wasn't alone. There were THREE of him. No. One was female, but nearly an identical set of triplets-- all three with vacant but glowing eyes, miming silence with forefingers pressed to pursed lips. That explained a few things... not that it mattered at that precise juncture. Agnes, and whomever was with her, was about to unwittingly help these three Otherworldly-ridden Fomor get into this house... and just as the Black Dog had been lured away from it's post, Silas was hovering two feet off the ground-- silent and impotent...


==============
Everything's bendy of course.

Thoughts for others to flesh out or not:

Why is Sallow (or the three of them) so intent on this house? Does Doug maybe have a family heirloom of note? Does he KNOW something they want to ensure dies with him? Is it tracking the Twigg Jack? If Doug wasn't a changeling... maybe in his youth he dated Morrigan and never knew who she was? She looks fondly on him, despite having moved on? Maybe in his youth he knocked Morrigan up (having no idea f course who she was or why she never called him back).. is Sallow looking for leverage? Is the house on top of an ancient tribal burial mound/site containing something it wants? The Marshal is currently in need of a rescue! What's happening INSIDE the house? Is the Twig Jack safeguarding something, or itself?

This message was last edited by the player at 15:26, Sat 27 May 2017.

Luke
 Malvoran Virgin, 33 posts
Mon 29 May 2017
at 19:25
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Luke shows up as Agnes does. Uses a machete to help her get through the thorns to the trapped people inside. When he's chopped a path to the doorway, he turns to let her precede him in. That's when he sees Silas, and starts swearing.
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 91 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Mon 29 May 2017
at 19:38
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I believe that the Twigjack is defending the nurse based on the idea that it got attached to her some how.  She just happens to be between whatever is outside and Doug.  She and the Twigjack are defending the place.  How does that sound?  I mentioned earlier that Gordon was planing on coming by.  So, in his case, fate/luck brings him in.

Gordon rolls up in his old Mercedes.  Old enough to be resistant to being driven by a wizard....usually.... and made of steel.  His hackles rise slightly when he gets out of the car.  Not because of all the vines and thorns around the building.  Nor because there is a Warden standing at the door.  But because Marshal was there... being dragged silently backwards about a foot of the ground.  And their is shadows that don't quit look right.

He pulls a pair of glasses out of his great pocket and puts them on and sees triplets binding Marshal.  They seem to be actively trying to bind him and drag him away.  Coils meant to bind can be unbound, disrupted, and broken.  He gathers his will...focuses on their weave....

"Severie Disruptungk Dizpurss!"

...as he drives his will to break up their bindings and disperse the energy.  He is usually not that loud when casting a spell but he is really hoping the Agnes hears him.  Direct confrontations is not his thing.


Rescue attempt.  We'll see how it goes.
Narrator
 NPC, 7 posts
Fri 2 Jun 2017
at 23:51
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
So, what happened?

Did they drive away the thorns?

Did anyone answer the door?

Did Gordon and The Marshall overcome?

Who got married or who died?
Agnes
 Warden, 68 posts
Sat 3 Jun 2017
at 16:14
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share

Gordon's spell weakened the Fomor's grip on Marshall--at least he could breathe.  But the two Fomor who weren't controlling the Marshall turned their attention to Gordon.  The taller one hissed and a translucent beam of entropy shot towards Gordon, turning the grass between them to green slurry.

A wall of rainbow sparks coalesced inches in front of Gordon's nose.  It absorbed entropy-spell in a whirl of color and jangling noise before disappating.

Gordon had succeeded in getting Warden Smith's attention.  And from her fierce expression, the Fomor would quickly regret it.   She walked quickly off the porch. A breeze rattled the gras and leaves as she gathered power from the world around her.  "Drop him and leave." She ordered the Formor in Latin.

Do you want Agnes to smash them into fish sticks or just scare them off?
The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 37 posts
Sat 3 Jun 2017
at 22:40
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
"They're... after... something in that house.. Something is compelling.. them." The Marshal forces, his words strangled as though talking with an overfull mouth. Gordon's efforts had won him that at least. He begins flexing his shoulders outwards, straining against the bonds-- looking everything as though he's trying to incredible-Hulk right out of them. He's not though, instead he's plying survival techniques for escaping bonds. The spell likely worked like ropes or chains. Even with his strength he didn't expect to be able to burst through them, but if they ACTED like rope or chain... Flex out, relax and shift. Flex out, relax and shift. Just a little at a time, a fraction of an inch with each word for cover. Dingo would be proud. Escaping bondage was one of the lessons taught at the Survivalist Gym (along with many other such things), and they paid off. Magic or not, the magical sympathy was there to mess with... and suddenly it paid off. Silas had a hand in the pocket of his duster. There was no way he'd have ever gotten to his six-shooters, let alone drawn them so bound. But he didn't need them for what was coming next. A good hunted came prepared, and with another flex and shift he pulls the iron stiletto from it's pocket sheath. Let's hope they mimicked rope and not chain He thinks to himself, flips the knife around and mimes cutting at the invisible coils of air. Sympathy plus Iron. Suck that Faerie magick. His hands are suddenly free, and he can feel the pressure around his ankles and face lessening, fading perhaps might be the better word, and he drops to the ground with a thud. He takes the fall in a roll, coming up on one knee with his knife-holding hand extended towards one of the triplets. Only the knife isn't in his hand anymore. It's protruding from the still glowing eye socket of the female. Not that she seemed the least bit bothered, iron or no. Testament of the will driving her from afar.

"Outsider." Silas hisses, his other hand going for a gun. That wasn't the sort of thing you let just flee.
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 40 posts
Sat 3 Jun 2017
at 22:58
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Even as Silas fought off the figure focusing on him and the magical efforts of the other two were thwarted by Agnes there was a low whistle from behind the male figures followed by a large bottle landing between the two of them, a spark of fire chasing its way down the material stuffed into its neck as it shattered, spilling cheap alcohol and flames on the floor forcing them to split from one another. Marcus sauntered in from its wake between them and stood over the flames with a grin on his face.

Glancing to the Marshal as he took in the bladework on the other one of these servitors his pleased expression only widened, "Seems it's a popular destination tonight." A loud growl from the darkness cut him off and the form of the Black Dog stalked into view, its attention on the three near identical creatures. A thin cut along one flank suggested it had had problems of its own this evening but the massive canine looked to be in the mood to continue dealing with any issues in front of it despite that. "This one would have been here if it had not been distracted." Marcus continued, idly looking over all gathered, nodding to Gordon in recognition.
Willa
 Clued-In Mortal, 19 posts
Sun 4 Jun 2017
at 03:50
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
The doorbell rang.  The East wing was covered in thorns and brambles like some sort of demented fairy-tale, and yet the doorbell rang.

Of course, Willa was walled in even deeper, stuck in the room with Doug's comatose body.  She cried, became nearly frantic with helplessness and hated herself for it.

"Jennifer."  someone said.

Willa turned around  but there was only Doug.

"Willamina Jennifer Porter."  It was a man's voice, so like Doug's and yet, deeper, slower in cadence.  "This isn't what you were meant for."

Willa wiped her sleeve across her eyes, and approached Doug's body.  It hadn't moved.  Great.  She'd just lost the last of her sanity.  "D-Doug?" she asked, hoping, even though she knew it wasn't rational.

"He is here still.  Fighting. Hoping. Waiting.  He carries the spark still.  But he is changing. And the spark cannot be maintained much longer."

"The spark?"M she asked, her voice too shrill, to strung-out by grief and tension and fear.

"The legacy."  The voice said.  It carried a sadness to it.  "Find one passionate and true. Bedbeddle and Cavall will know what to do..."

I had a different idea on the black dog...  Cavall.   While I don't plan to make this central to the game in any way, I like that the black dog is Cavall and the Twigjack is Bedbeddle... which means it's time for the spark to be passed on to another host body for another generation until the king will be reborn...  That is not going to happen in this generation.   But...  Perhaps Abigail gets the spark through prolonged contact with Doug's comatose body...?  And that gives her a sort of mantle, though she doesn't know it.

Of course, Willa could also have just snapped.

Narrator
 NPC, 8 posts
Sun 4 Jun 2017
at 04:01
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
The doorbell rang.

Of all things?

Abigail stood frozen for a moment, then timidly asked, "Who is it?"

She didn't really expect an answer.   But when the answering voices sounded human--well, not like a boogey-man--she opened the door, brandishing the fire-poker like a baseball bat.

The front lawn was mess.   there were broken tree-bits everywhere, three shadow-figures moving in ominous circles fighting a handful of others.

Agnes had stepped off of the front step, leaving Luke with his axe at the front door.

Abigail looked him up and down, then glanced down at herself.  her black and blue scrubs were dirty and scraped.  She looked like she'd been put through a blender.  She must have looked half-crazed with the fire-poker raised.  "Tell me you're one of the good guys." she said to Luke.  "'Cause I got a god-damned living forest in here that's not keen on the bad guys!"
Luke
 Malvoran Virgin, 34 posts
Mon 5 Jun 2017
at 19:52
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Luke looks at Abigail, and lowers his machete. "Honestly? I have no idea. You have a forest in there? Was this hedge attacking or defending you? I thought I was performing a rescue, if that helps?"
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 94 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Mon 5 Jun 2017
at 21:14
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Ok....between Marshal, Gordon and Agnes, we turn the Fomor into fish sticks.  We can leave the details for the afterparty.  I vote Marshal buys the first round....since he needed rescuing. ;D We return to the house.  Keep the Fomor reinforcements out.  Find out that they are after Doug...for some reason.  Something about a Legacy.

Wait....

Doug, while not a supernatural himself, was the host of something.  (He was unaware) He needed to pass it on... have a kid.  But they didn't.  So, once the get that far Agnes and Gordon figure how to transfer whatever he was hosting to another host.  However, to secure the obligation, the host must be bound to the mortal world (married works).  So, whomever takes it on must get married.

Soooo....Willa or Abigail take the being and then must get married or the undeveloped being will be ripped back to the spirit realm (and probably destroyed).  So, anyone want to marry a nurse or a millionaire?

Thoughts?

Agnes
 Warden, 71 posts
Mon 5 Jun 2017
at 21:36
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
In reply to Gordon (msg # 54):

How about Agnes transfers the spirit into a tree or mechanical construct.  And no one is pressured into a marriage of convenience.  o.O   
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 95 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Tue 6 Jun 2017
at 04:41
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
That could work.  I was trying to avoid the funeral by arranging for marriage to occur.  We could bind it to one of the trees the Twigjack arranged to have pop into the house....which also binds Doug's spirit to it!  No...maybe not.  That would dance a little too close to the two of the Laws.  Regardless, Willa now has a Magic Tree in her house.  However, the Twigjack is bound to the Tree because it grew it and Abigal is bound to the Twigjack.  (Magic makes things complicated) So, she has to hang around even though, sadly, Doug passed away.

Or...we can say that the Spirit of the Tree (or whatever) is maintaining Doug until he can recover.  Returning the favor Doug did for it all those years.  However, since taking care of Doug is much less demanding (still necessary), Abigail now feels freer to join her longtime boyfriend, Jermaine, in Holy Matrimony.  In fact, she has been brushing of for awhile but the recent adventure makes her see that somethings should not be put off....even though she still has the Twigjack to car for.

Thoughts?

Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 44 posts
Tue 6 Jun 2017
at 20:21
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Gordon:
Ok....between Marshal, Gordon and Agnes, we turn the Fomor into fish sticks. Thoughts?


May want to reread the Marshal's post Gordon. He made at least one of those things Outsider associated. As soon as they come in based off everything in the books the counter measure is less gathered heroes and more send in the army.

Mind if I ask the reason behind that Marshal (gah, every time I type that Deadlands flashbacks)? I'm happy to run with Outsider influence but we're already stacking up plot stuff on this and if we're now making this an Outsider attack it's sounding like we're making a long term plot decision.
 

The Marshal
 Gunslinger of Oz, 40 posts
Wed 7 Jun 2017
at 02:19
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share

It's been pretty established that the Fomor are in league with such powers. We're not facing one here though. Just three Fomor being ridden. We have a Psychomancer in our midst. He, or anyone capable of exorcism, should be plenty able to sever (or temporarily stymie it) that connection. A single entity mind controlling three from afar? Honestly it just seemed like a solid bit of fun for Gordon to use the magic he's GOOD at in a meaninful and action oriented way. Block that connection, and this is just three Fomor. A challenge, but realistic and manageable.

This is a back story. IMO it SHOULD have far reaching elements... a loose thread that CAN be plucked, or not, at Control's whim down the line.

Control
 GM, 233 posts
Wed 7 Jun 2017
at 03:55
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
It has been neat to see where this story has gone.  But I think we're good to head towards wrapping it up.   We'll still leave it up to allow newcomers to weave themselves into it.

I'm okay with Willa or Abigail getting married...  But I still want Doug to live.  And let's not go ripping any part of Doug's soul out of his body quite yet!   I don't think Willa can legally marry while Doug is alive.
Willa
 Clued-In Mortal, 22 posts
Wed 7 Jun 2017
at 03:57
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Hey, woah.  Hold on!

Willa loves Doug!  That's why he's an Aspect!

And this kind of thing would definitely hit the tabloids!

Better Abigail than Willa.

And, really, in this day and age...  In-vitro fertilization may still be an option!

If I want to get pregnant, I will.  Though I don't want to fighting this shadow war while pregnant.    Let's make it Abigail.

Yeah, I vote for Abigail.
Mona
 Werecat, 8 posts
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 05:37
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
[So, looks like time for me to interject myself somewhere in here, which is kinda tough since it's just about wrapping up. I'll see what I can do.]

"So there I was, minding my own business on a fire escape in an alley, when this robed guy ran in chased by this huge black dog. I knew it was a fae hound. They're terrifying, especially on business, and I don't know them to leave the Nevernever not on business. Then this robed weirdo says something inhuman in a language I don't think is from Earth, and suddenly my fire escape is trying to reach down and kill the dog who is suddenly not so scary. I was still in it, by the way.

"As it was falling from the building, I managed to jump to the other side and stay small until the noise died down. By that time, creepy guy was gone and the dog had one of the ladder's rungs sticking out of it. Impressive as hell it escaped most of that nightmare. So not being a total monster, I climb down and pull out the iron, but the dog's in bad condition. I couldn't exactly move it, I mean look at me, so I made sure it didn't have any more metal in it and ran off into the Underground. I figure there's one person in the city I know can do something to help.

"Eventually I got Marcus to the dog, and he has some mojo with faeries or something, because that dog was happy to see him. Maybe he's just a dog person. Anyway, dog's looking around for the freaky Jedi, we can't get his mind off it. I remember hearing about a dog like this hanging out at a house somewhere, Marcus has the idea to ask it to lead us to who it's been guarding, and the dog does it.

"Now what I don't know is what the heck he's doing with goddamn molotov cocktails in his jacket, but it's a good thing he did. When we got there, there were more of those Jedi things, Marcus is throwing fire, dog's pissed, the monster hunters are there, it's all chaos and lightning, and before I really know what's what, the creepy frog-lookin' guys are gone and I really just want to know what the hell I just saw."


[How's that? There was a gap between the dog running off and leading Marcus back to the lawn party. While I do have an idea to shift that so there's a death that could start a funeral, I think Abigail being able to marry her boyfriend works out better, since it's a bit more centralized. Though if Control wants to start with the PCs at a wedding, we'd need a reason everybody would be at Abigail's wedding. She only seems closely tied to Willa.

I could define my cop brother as Officer Jermaine to link myself there. Does that work?]

Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 49 posts
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 06:08
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Looks good Mona


The Marshal:

It's been pretty established that the Fomor are in league with such powers.


When was that one established? I've taken a quick look online and can't find anything about the Fomor being in with the Outsiders in the series. Not that it seems impossible but it's not anything I recalled or can find, hence my confusion and enquiry. Even the assorted short stories I've not read do not seem to feature them with the Outsiders.

I like having long term fallout. I like the Outsiders. Bringing them in seems good and the solution is fun. My concern is we may end up downgrading the level of threat the Outsiders pose if we are able to overcome an effort by them, particularly given their magic resistance. These are things that invoke "bring your brown trousers" for a full organised force of Wardens, we're not that and if we start at that level in the shared story subsequent things become less impressive by contrast.

That said it was suggested that Walks Behind was actually messing with Harry for long term gain rather than seriously trying to complete its objective when it showed up. We might be having an instance like that here.
Mona
 Werecat, 10 posts
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 06:26
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I can't actually find any connection between the Fomor and the Outsiders either. If it helps, we can easily say this is an unprecedented collaboration. Maybe these Fomor have decided to call on Outsiders for aid, or one of their pawns did and accidentally unleashed it on them, and now they're its puppets instead of it being under their control. Lots of possibilities here, and lots to find out in play.

Also, it wouldn't necessarily water down the threat Outsiders pose. The Marshal's suggestion is that these aren't Outsiders, these are Fomor being puppeted by an Outsider from afar. That means they're just as easy to squish as Fomor would normally be, which is to say not really easy at all unless they're outnumbered and facing combined Fae and White Council forces in what amounts to an ambush scenario. Caught between Noriko, Luke, the Marshall, Gordon, and now Marcus, they don't stand much chance. Especially being puppeted instead of having their own will, reaction times, and understanding of their own abilities.

The presence of an Outsider in this instance really just ups the ante, because now we know it's out there somewhere and it knows we're potentially a threat. Que paranoia music.

Also all evidence I've seen regarding Harry dealing with Outsiders relatively easily is because he's good at blowing things up with magic, and his magic can actually affect them. Gordon and Noriko's can't. Heck, even Marcus and the Marshal's magic wouldn't really affect them, as neither of them is Winter.

Doesn't really seem like a weak threat with all that context, right? :D

(And if we do go that route, we are planning it for...laaater, right? Because I kinda don't wanna be turned inside out. That's pretty gross.)
Control
 GM, 246 posts
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 06:35
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Thanks Mona, that was awesome!

Marcus;
Good points.  I'm thinking that if Doug really was carrying Arthur's spark, this might've been a blip on the Outsider's radar, a chance to remove a mantle utterly from there here & now.    But it's one of those chance on-the-fly opportunities that can only be taken advantage of while the spark is in transition or something...  Abigail getting pregnant will solve that.

Baby?
And rather than it having to be Doug's baby... I'm thinking perhaps the nearest pregnancy in close proximity to Doug (coma, doesn't get out much) will qualify...

Really...  Abigail may be Doug's nurse and Willa's employee, but if you showed up at Willa's home to help drive off the freaky jedi people?  Now that's a great way to start a friendship!  hence, of course you're invited to the wedding.

Mona:
Of course, we'll have to get you some better clothes for the wedding...  But Willa's gonna take care of a lot of that stuff...   Small wedding reception.  Only a hundred or two hundred people.  Four Seasons Sycamore room, I think....

Interesting.  All the other games I've started (well, successfully, anyway) started with a funeral.  This'll be a first.
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 52 posts
 2 Fate Points
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 06:41
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Harry magicking them was I think either indirect or Soul Fire fuelled. Walks did not get fire balled, Harry set fire to a gas station. The other one that showed up got furniture thrown at it, damp in the air frozen to shred it and then Soul Fire via a rifle. I might be mis-remembering, there's probably some .

Outsiders operating afar is fairly bad too. I think the only time that happened was when a White Court used it to up their psychic wham and drop a cave full of WCVs as well as a pair of Wizards, something that only failed because one of the wizards seems to count as a Catch for Outsiders..

I'm not considering them a weak threat, my concern is that we overcome them in this by the nature of it being a prologue. I just want us to be clear how we overcome a threat from 9 books into the series, some things with Outsider influence, as freshly minted characters. If these are Fomor as unwilling aids that helps since it's going to be them + Gordon fighting off the influence and they won't be acting in concert with it which is what happened for the mass psychic fry and die.

Edit for Control's post - since pretty much everything of this world is by default against the Outsiders that seems a fit. Any Mantle they snuff is one fewer long term.
Control
 GM, 248 posts
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 06:46
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I am reminded vaguely of the war in Nobilis.  Deconstructing reality one concept at a time.  Whoops, there goes the concept of Crazzledup.  What the fuck is Crazzledup, you might ask?  Yeah, see what I mean?  Next thing to go is Oxygen or Love. Then we're all screwed.

That seems to make sense to me for the Outsider's agenda... deconstruct this nice, tasty little bubble of reality.  Bit by tasty bit.
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 53 posts
 2 Fate Points
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 06:49
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Now there's a nasty thought. What if the actual brains behind the Oblivion War are Outsiders?
Mona
 Werecat, 12 posts
Thu 8 Jun 2017
at 07:20
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Marcus:
Harry magicking them was I think either indirect or Soul Fire fuelled. Walks did not get fire balled, Harry set fire to a gas station. The other one that showed up got furniture thrown at it, damp in the air frozen to shred it and then Soul Fire via a rifle. I might be mis-remembering, there's probably some .


That's a thing that is apparently in three of the books that I still somehow managed to miss entirely, and only found out about because it's in DFA. Harry is Starborn, meaning his magic can affect Outsiders directly. It's a special Chosen One kinda deal. Elaine might possibly also be Starborn, since they were born at nearly identical times.

http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Starborn

So yeah, Word of God states Harry did totally fry He Who Walks Behind and That Other Guy with his magic, but taking an Outsider head on is still suicide for the lot of us.

Marcus:
Outsiders operating afar is fairly bad too. I think the only time that happened was when a White Court used it to up their psychic wham and drop a cave full of WCVs as well as a pair of Wizards, something that only failed because one of the wizards seems to count as a Catch for Outsiders..

I'm not considering them a weak threat, my concern is that we overcome them in this by the nature of it being a prologue. I just want us to be clear how we overcome a threat from 9 books into the series, some things with Outsider influence, as freshly minted characters. If these are Fomor as unwilling aids that helps since it's going to be them + Gordon fighting off the influence and they won't be acting in concert with it which is what happened for the mass psychic fry and die.


To be fair, that was major psychic whammy. Nothing like what we're looking at here, which is just "these Fomor are totes my henchbros now". (Dramatization, not actually how most Outsiders talk.) So even here, we aren't overcoming anything in a prologue that would be completely unreasonable for this group.

Two wizards of the White Court, one of whom is a Warden. One Emissary of the Erlking and one Emissary of Oz. One White Court badass. One terrified lady with an iron poker. And also me cheering you on. So that's seven people and a big faerie dog versus three mind-controlled puppets. They aren't getting power channeled into them, the idea is they're just getting orders from elsewhere.

If victory over them still sounds like too much, then they could just as easily teleport away using creepy Jedi powers like mine did. After all, they use a combination of mortal and fae magic, so there's no telling what they have up their sleeves. Just chasing them off for them to harass us again later is super in theme with the Dresden style. That's how several of the books start. The only alternative I can think of would be for us to be the ones who retreat, and I don't think that would serve Control's needs very well.

Unless Abigail dies protecting Doug! Abigail nooooo!

EDIT: My point here isn't to be contentious, just that I think you might be reacting to a problem that wasn't actually presented. Your point that us beating an Outsider in the prologue would suck is spot on, but there's no direct Outsider threat in this story, just hints of one. Implication of future badness, one which Control isn't obligated to bring up again in this story. Also if you were implying that beating three Fomor in the prologue would suck, then I'm mostly right there with you (except I don't know how beefy a single Fomor is), but in my head I can justify them being in a weakened state and not being prepared for all of this crazy PC action flying at them. And, of course, they can just nope right out at a whim. I'm just looking to help find most satisfying conclusion to this prologue.

This message was last edited by the player at 07:47, Thu 08 June 2017.

Control
 GM, 249 posts
Fri 9 Jun 2017
at 04:58
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Any of you have any issue with Abigails on-again off-again boyfriend Jermaine realizing that these events really drove home that he can't, actually, lose Abighail...  So, her proposes?

Possibly, it also sounds like Jermaine might be Mona's older brother.
Marcus
 Guardian of Gates, 55 posts
 2 Fate Points
Sat 10 Jun 2017
at 22:17
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Yeah the Starborn thing is there and hinted about in places but it's odd. The main issue is we've not see any instances of other mages taking on Outsiders so we do not have a base, closest is when Morgan confirmed a retreat was assaulted by them which basically stuffed the Warden's efforts. I would not be surprised if the Gatekeeper is one too and if it's actually a pre-req of the job (puts a new light on the Merlin's issues with Dresden if he's the heir apparent to that seat doesn't it?).

Mona:
EDIT: My point here isn't to be contentious, just that I think you might be reacting to a problem that wasn't actually presented. Your point that us beating an Outsider in the prologue would suck is spot on, but there's no direct Outsider threat in this story, just hints of one. Implication of future badness, one which Control isn't obligated to bring up again in this story. Also if you were implying that beating three Fomor in the prologue would suck, then I'm mostly right there with you (except I don't know how beefy a single Fomor is), but in my head I can justify them being in a weakened state and not being prepared for all of this crazy PC action flying at them. And, of course, they can just nope right out at a whim. I'm just looking to help find most satisfying conclusion to this prologue.


No worries, all of the stuff you've brought up is spot on and the sort of thing I wanted us to hammer out. I like the solutions, when it first was brought in by the Marshal though things continued on the lines of "so we take them without any issues right?" I wanted something that clearly established that if anything Outsidery is involved it is not actually actively doing anything since they're a much higher defcon.

As for how beefy the Fomor are I suspect we've got here are Turtle Necks (I believe servitors is the correct term but they tend to get called by their attire, usually worn to cover the artifical gills) since they're human seeming, as opposed to the Frog Men look they normally have. Or hybrids. Because everyone likes deep ones. Or actual thralls Because why not. But how tough they are the one killed on screen by Murphy got shot by something firing 900 RPM when it was not expecting it. Definitely killable but that was a lot of kill used on an unaware target. We could take three of them with what we have here. I could not see us taking three of them with Outsider aid even at range without undermining Outsiders as a threat. What we've got for the Outsider stuff works though.
Mona
 Werecat, 16 posts
 Fate Points: 2
Sat 10 Jun 2017
at 23:37
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
Marcus:
I could not see us taking three of them with Outsider aid even at range without undermining Outsiders as a threat.


Definitely. My only point is that we're not saying they have Outsider aid, so much as Outsider taint. Long as we say they're just Fomor (or servitors, to establish Fomor themselves as a "take on a whole group of PCs alone" kind of threat too), then either defeating or running them off here works, right?

(Personally, I like the "they just teleport away" idea. They're surrounded and can't run, but if they escape, they can tell their boss that we're trouble, and suddenly we have yet another problem looming that Control can drop on us. Might work if we just cream them, too, but that's slightly less dramatic and also these specific ones wouldn't be able to come back during play.)

Control:
Any of you have any issue with Abigails on-again off-again boyfriend Jermaine realizing that these events really drove home that he can't, actually, lose Abighail...  So, her proposes?


Call me new fashioned, but I think Abigail should propose in light of having been sealed in by plants and then facing off against evil frog fairy wizards with nothing but a poker. She's had a day.
Gordon
 Wizard of Oz, 98 posts
 Psychiatrist/Psychomancer
 White Counsel Wizard
Mon 12 Jun 2017
at 19:59
Re: OOC: The Stories We Share
I'm down with Abby proposing to Mona's older brother.  :)