You can use Rapid Shot with a firearm. It just says ranged weapon in the description of the feat.

This is why I should look things up... Manyshot is the one you can't use with a gun.  I knew there was a one attack difference somewhere.

You can use clustered shots with both, which is probably more important.

Um, was there a ruling on the race guide?

Well, Kass has a race I let them take  (Kasatha(?)) And it is 20rp, I just asked them if they Could take away 2-4 racial traits to get the cost down to 16 or 18, since I've heard that seems to be the general consensus is that 16 is the best, 18 is pushing it but cool.

Otherwise I'm allowing all races, we just need to establish race point limit. Or does it matter?

Oh, there definitely needs to be a limit since if there is none then everyone should be drow nobles...:-p

I'm playing an android, which is 16RP (sorta - it's honestly kind of overrated if you don't do one of the two or three completely OP things with it) so 16-18 seems fair.  To keep things from getting too wild, you might want to put some restrictions on how far things can vary.  Or not.  However.

Well, by keeping the point total below 20 you nip a lot of the craziness in the butt. Staying in the advanced category and not spilling over into the monstrous category is in and of itself a very good limiting factor.

So let's just give it a range of 16-20? Or stop at 18? I'm not experienced with pathfinder(clearly) so that's why I'm leaving it up to you guys so much, I want the most we can get without going overboard.

I'd say stop at 20. You stay in the advanced range and it lets your other player keep the race he/she wants without lowering some of their abilities.

I was planning on just making a basic human...

Side note: But could I use some of those extra RP and customize the genetic heritage a little???
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19 or lower makes them "advanced races" which makes it so you can't give your race "Monstrous" traits (and those are the real rough ones).

if you want to use the points I would suggest just making an entire new race and giving them the human traits you want.  At least I would prefer that X = Human.  You can even say they are an offshoot or mutated human?
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I'm down to make those extra race points available to players who choose "cheaper" races.

Are you sure it is 19 and lower? When I choose the option in Hero Lab, it is 10-20 and it won't let me pick the monstrous abilities.

SRD says 11-20 is advanced, but also says 20+ is monstrous.  I would lean to them meaning >20 is Monstrous.
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Table 4–1: Racial Points and Trait
Maximums by Power Level


I guess the chart is a bit confusing....

Hmmm, a custom race would put my cursed character concept back on the table.

I am also starting to wonder how crazy a firaerms character we're going to see if we just allow everything in a gestalt campaign. Something with full BAB, dex to damage, maybe sneak attack added in, rapid shot or something for more attacks, haste.. all attacks of firearms go for touch AC after all so missing won't be an issue anyhow.

Which is good, it means I won't have to do any fighting.

Looking over the creating a new race shows the basic human is 9 RP, and we are setting the cap at 16-18.
Can I get confirmation on this please and thank you.

That's confirmed.

I don't think the exact number has been confirmed by the GM yet?

True.

I just offered to drop my RP by 2 to 18.

Are we using that feat tax thing?

Firearms: Lots of concerns with this, so I'm going to spend considerable time researching this today and inform you all of my decision.

Race Points: 18 points. If I told you 20 was okay, please accept my apologies for I did not consider the fact that humans and other species were low in race points.

Feat Tax: Yea, we will be using it. I'm going to try and upload a formal ruling thread today so that every thing is out and clear.

How does racial points differ from 3.5 Level Adjustment? I am playing a human with no additional racial points... compare my no additional racial point human to one with 18... we are both 8th level characters?  Is this a fair and equal comparison? Doesn't sound like it... perhaps there should be an LA comparison made and either reduce their starting level appropriately or allow those not suping up their characters with RP an extra level or two so the playing field is fair.

It's not really the same.  There is a chart that's similar, but you have to get very high on the race points for it to matter at level 8.

The RP is used in the race builder system ( http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...ide/raceBuilder.html ) to create new races.  It's mostly intended for use by a GM to make new races, though at the lower points and with GM permission it might be suitable for players to tweak their own race.


Kind of a lot?  2RP would give you a second stat of your choice with a +2 bonus.  2RP gets you darkvision.  7RP makes you a Large creature.


Level adjustment is a terrible mechanic and I vote against using it for anything.  I'm in favor of buffing the lower RP races, though the RP you can pick is worth much, much more than the RP picked for you by the "normal" high RP races.  They tend to get overcharged for stuff or have a lot of RP dumped into strange places.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:02, Fri 06 July 2018.