In that case, there's also probably a block on scrying (Mage's Private Sanctum for example), or at the very least, a will save allowed. Yes it is possible, but at the same time, if they succeed, then they deserve it. And even then, with "very familiar" or "studied carefully" you risk missing still, even if it is by a small margin. Don't get me wrong, it can be abused, but in my opinion, it adds more than it takes away. When you're spending three weeks in game trekking towards what will take less than a day to complete, that teleport becomes a lot more worth it.
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In reply to League Justicar (msg # 187):

You've got me wondering if I'm the only one who didn't go level 8 lol...

If my only available companions are higher level does the XP earned compensate for the level difference so I'll eventually even out, or should I just go for level 8 now?

In reply to Zaira Zatara (msg # 189):

I'm level 8 (I'm the sorcerer), but I took Dragon Disciple so my CL in sorcerer is only a 7 right now. And magus (my other class) is a 6 level of spells class so it advances slower. It'll be a while before I get 5th level spells.

Edit: I misunderstood.
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Honestly, I get the concern and restrictions that can stop "scry and die" from being a thing aren't a bad idea.

In reply to Lialda Nomake (msg # 190):

I think I'm the only one who didn't... I'll see how XP is handled but I may well go for another 3 levels just to even out... or maybe go for solo adventures. I can post a lot so if our three DMs are about that might be better lol...

If it's a single day job and the client doesn't want to wait three weeks for the party to get there, then they can cough up for the teleport spell.   It's not like a 5th level spell costs that much, after all.

In reply to Sienna Frost (msg # 193):

Not if teleport is banned in all forms (it doesn't exist).

My vote is no to banning teleport. What say you League Historian and League Manager?

I'd rather see major places linked with teleportation circles and the more "on the fly"  spells reduced in effectiveness or removed, to be honest.  Or just reduced to working best when targeting a teleportation circle so they're still useful but, again, no scry and die.

No. As long as we don't let it get out of hand - like, say, scrybomb - we'll be fine.

In the same vein, we could just ban scrying and any sort of eavesdropping magic and teleport is no longer a potential problem.

My stance is if you start banning everything because it can be a problem, you miss the point of the game entirely...especially this one as iterated by the League Historian himself...No game is going to be without its hiccups or potentially breakable rules. Good DMs and good players should recognize this and not blatantly abuse such designer issues.

I'm for keeping teleportation unless it's demonstrably abused in this particular game. Many instances of any kind of plot-derailing abuses of abilities in general tend to come from an antagonistic relationship between player and GM, or players acting in bad faith and against the preservation of a good story. As long as we can agree as players not to be TOO cheesy, while the GMs recognize we'll still try to find clever ways around their challenges and are able to take it in stride and improvise, I think we'll work out a collaborative story just fine.

Well said Elara! Every group I've ever played with IRL has always viewed Teleport as either a) a means to get from point a to b and b) get the heck out of dodge. I don't want to downplay any of the player's concerns about teleport, but it seems like the ones who are voicing their discontent are coming from a bad place when it comes to this particular spell. I'm guessing that they've experienced the toxic relationship you've described or have just had players that don't care about the "spirit" of the game and just look at is as "player vs. DM/GM" and not a collaborative effort to weave a story and have oodles of fun...:-)

GMs: How much wiggle room do we have with descriptions of abilities, items, etc. for the sake of flavor? For instance, one of my magic items is described as a robe. Could I have a magic item with identical effects that's a shirt or whole outfit instead? I've also got a number of shapeshifting-oriented abilities and spells that could also have some flavorful wiggle room, like taking the shape of an animal with the exact stat block of an existing creature but a different appearance.

I have no problem with reskinning items to fit flavor. However, they will still use up the slot they originally would use up. At least that's my take on it.

If you want to avoid 'Scry and Fry', you could rule that scry spells aren't clear enough to allow teleportation through them.

Or you could watch the second D&D movie. They took care of that quite well.

I didn't know there was a second one :O

In regards to banning teleport: I won't do that. I understand concerns and I'm willing to even admit it might make the game a hell of a lot better. But. It directly goes against the very backdrop of the game, which is "Be the character you never get to be in other games". Yes, many games would probably work a lot better with groups this big if things were banned, limited, and more strict. I've been incredibly lenient. Probably to lenient. I say yes first and then we face issues down the road because I said yes. But I would rather us have to pause and try and figure out things down the road if we experience issues then ban things off the rip because of the possibility of issues arising. I can handle players using "scry and fry" and teleport and all that.

As for people deliberately being cheesy and abusing it just to because they can, and hurting a good story...well. That. Is. My. Pet. Peeve.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone who gets in the way of a good story WILL experience the wrath of the almighty GM. I'm serious. I am great with everything and anything, I'm relaxed, I'll let you completely derail my plot ideas with a brilliant play on your part, even if it is pulling off a cheesy maneuver, because that's just you the player using what I've given to you to achieve your goals and survive. But if you start abusing the freedom I given you just to ruin a good story and have no intention of building a story, well two people can play that game. Only difference is in this world I'm God, and I can throw everything right back at you. And I can kill you.

Will I? Most likely not. Not unless you really deserve it...and then you really put yourself in that position. I'm patient(just ask the co-GMs, think about how many PM's you've sent, then multiply that by 30 :D).

My IRL group back in HS used to say "You can try and fuck (surgere) and "break" the game, but all that's gonna happen is he's going to use those same rules to break you".

So enough posturing everyone gets the idea, we're here to build a badass awesome great story with characters we never get to play! And I have no fear of people purposefully being cheesy because so far everyone has been the opposite, hesitating and asking permission being honest about how they probably wouldn't allow it if they were DM but its SO FREAKING COOL!

Oh yea, and reflavoring is totally fine. They just keep the same slot use :D

In reply to Mothan Kivner (msg # 204):

They made three. Second one was actually closer to a D&D game (in my opinion), while the third was based on the Book of Vile Darkness. I have no idea what it's like.

Ironically, the movie Curse of the Dragon Slayer is probably closer to D&D than any of the actual franchise movies.
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And that's why I applied...I've never seen a game where I could actually play a Fairy.  :)

So, we can change items around a bit.  Could I have an efficient quiver that was actually a sash and holds 100 shuriken instead of the normal contents?

I mean, why not? Still the same cost and all just instead of 100 arrows its 100 shuriken, just remember cost might change if shuriken are more expensive.

Well, it normally holds 60 arrows, 18 javelins, and 6 spears.  I figured 100 shuriken would be a fair number to replace that.

On the whole subject of replacement feats and all, the elephant in the room feat taxes book says precisely this in regards to rogues (since it came up before)



You may want to take a look at the book http://michaeliantorno.com/ite...taxes-in-pathfinder/ if you gained any sort of combat feat outside of it. There's some class changes too, for Druid, Monk, Ranger, Rogue (Unchained), and Sorcerer specifically, so check it if you have one of those.

And this: Weapon Qualities
Agile: You can apply your Dexterity modifier instead
of your Strength modifier to attack rolls when wielding
an agile weapon sized for you, even though it isn’t a
finesse weapon.
Weapons with the Agile Special Feature: Elven curve
blade, rapier, spiked chain, and whip.
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