[OOC] Out of Character.   Posted by Game Master.Group: 0
Patience
 player, 25 posts
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 05:12
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
quote:
keeping in mind they have a heavy weapon and you don't

But we have Artemis!

Er, purely as a comment on his effectiveness in battle, of course.

...On an unrelated but more serious note, regarding Ma Itso's mentioning an appointment -- we don't know, at this point, that we were all contacted by Sir Charles MacGuffin, do we?

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Artemis P. Fox, Esq.
 player, 35 posts
 Antiquities Professor
 Cambridge University
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 05:16
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
   My dear Miss Patience, your faith in my abilities does warm my heart.  :)
Game Master
 GM, 65 posts
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 13:44
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
Patience:
...On an unrelated but more serious note, regarding Ma Itso's mentioning an appointment -- we don't know, at this point, that we were all contacted by Sir Charles MacGuffin, do we?


You probably do. Even if you haven't commented on the fact, there's no way Eduardo hasn't commented on it. I suppose if you've locked yourself in your quarters the entire trip it's possible you don't know the others are going to the same place,  but the majority probably do.
Artemis P. Fox, Esq.
 player, 37 posts
 Antiquities Professor
 Cambridge University
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 17:39
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
Game Master:
Patience:
...On an unrelated but more serious note, regarding Ma Itso's mentioning an appointment -- we don't know, at this point, that we were all contacted by Sir Charles MacGuffin, do we?


You probably do. Even if you haven't commented on the fact, there's no way Eduardo hasn't commented on it. I suppose if you've locked yourself in your quarters the entire trip it's possible you don't know the others are going to the same place,  but the majority probably do.



   Admittedly, the Professor does find the current list of passengers on the Liberte strangely familiar - it might have been possible that he's even met one or two of you on the train to Taranto. I simply wasn't sure if we wanted to speculate before we got to Cairo about the coincidences that seemed to bring us together or move the plot along.
Game Master
 GM, 66 posts
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 17:45
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
That's entirely up to you.

There will also be time after you meet with your patron, if you so desire.
Game Master
 GM, 67 posts
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 22:13
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
Artemis:
Each of us fights in our own fashion, and in the forge of combat, there is no *wrong* way to fight.


Damn straight! Nuke 'em all from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

:)

quote:
I'd be happy to teach you while we make our way to Cairo.


This is possible (though I suspect you meant Alexandria, which is still possible though admittedly you have far less time than if you were going to Cairo).

quote:
I'll be on the stern deck of the ship at 10 o'clock, starting tomorrow morning.


This, however, is not possible unless you're going to wherever Eduardo is going. You'll be arriving at your destination later in the day (as noted in the first post which I seem to recall was written back some time before the Tower of Babel was built).
Artemis P. Fox, Esq.
 player, 39 posts
 Antiquities Professor
 Cambridge University
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 22:46
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
   Well, bless my collar button, Sir... You are a caution with your simply 'unpossible' ways.  :P

   Let me amend my post, then.
Game Master
 GM, 68 posts
Sat 8 Jul 2017
at 23:20
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Gabriella Conti
 player, 22 posts
Tue 11 Jul 2017
at 02:29
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
In reply to Game Master (msg # 139):

Congrats! good luck and thanks.
Game Master
 GM, 71 posts
Wed 12 Jul 2017
at 13:23
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
I edited it into Ilse's post, but since you might not want to go back and review it, Eduardo's Italian is: "Of course, I'd love to to help you fix your ship, captain. I'd be glad to help you, captain. That was wonderful work, captain. You're a hero, captain."

I also had to edit my post, because in the original it was secret to the language group, rather than private, so there was a good chance no one else could even see what he said (and that wasn't my intention).
Assistant GM
 GM, 1 post
Sat 15 Jul 2017
at 23:48
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
Experience awarded. Please use it on skills, etc, that you used in chapter 000 (which includes Guns/TL6, which Professor Fox was kind enough to train some of you in). Please send me Private Messages in the messages I provided. And remember, only 1 point expended in this manner after each thread.

Congrats!
Ma Itso Boggs
 player, 35 posts
 Quiet & Observant
 Steady & strong willed
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 15:51
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
$10 was a great deal more in 1930 than it is now. That said, it is going to be very thin living if quarters and or food is not provided.

My Dad's First job in 1920 paid $21 a week, on which he bought both a house and a car.  THe House cost $3600 and the Car, a Model T, $450.   That was in New England, USA.  I'd expect Egypt to be less expensive by a fair bit.  Still, $10 a month isn't a Livable wage, so we'll all need jobs. My guess is that it would cost about $35-40 a month to live as a westerner ion Egypt, and you'd be living as a poor Westerner.
Peter Stewart
 player, 38 posts
 Charisma 1
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 16:39
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Fortunately we have an excellent universal currency conversion tool: The GURPS$. 1$ GURPS = "the cost of a loaf of bread" or "1/600th of a monthly middle-class lifestyle." This is universal in any given era, and super convenient because you don't need to recalculate the price of everything in all the books constantly. Everything we bought on our character sheets was priced in GURPS$, not 1930s $.

The conversion from GURPS$ to 1930s$ is around 1:10. Divide GURPS$ costs by 10, and you have a fair approximation of 1930s USD.

We should decide whether to talk IC and OOC in terms of 1930s currencies or GURPS$ for the sake of simplicity. There's a big difference between making GURP$10 a month and GURP$100 a month!
Peter Stewart
 player, 39 posts
 Charisma 1
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 16:45
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
This also makes working with the depression and 3rd world economies simpler; inflation tends to rise more or less equally except when there are very specific shortages. A beer is always worth approximately 5 loaves of bread.

What does not rise naturally with inflation are wages, and GURPS models this. The average wage for a given status level's job rises at each TL. At TL 0, an Average job pays $625, giving the worker a $25 surplus each month. At TL 6 average jobs pay $1600, giving a $1000 surplus each month. The TL6 worker is saving 40x more than the neolithic hunter.

So in a depressed economy, prices remain constant (in GURP$ terms) but wages are far lower, meaning that workers can only afford lower costs of living. (It's not that they're getting pay cuts, its just that the relative value of their paychecks has dropped. It's far less GMing work to lower income than to adjust the price of everything every time.

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Game Master
 GM, 73 posts
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 16:59
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Per page 86, GURPS Cliffhangers, monthly cost of living for Status -1 (Unemployed) is $10 (in GURPS terms, of course). That's about what an apple seller makes, double what a bum makes, or half (roughly) what a hired farm hand or thief makes. Those stats are almost certainly for the US, of course.

Also, $10 is about the same as a good pair of adventuring boots.

I hate to throw around things like "Diplomacy," but....
Peter Stewart
 player, 40 posts
 Charisma 1
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 17:07
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GURPS 3e prices don't work the same as 4e prices, but if you want to go by the costs in Cliffhangers it shouldn't be too hard to convert. Just take the cost of living for -1 as a basis. 3e Cliffhangers has it at $10. 4e has it as $300. Divide all 4e $ amounts by 30 and bam, same economy.

Or use boots! $10 in 3e Cliffhangers, $80 in 4e. That's a 1:8 conversion rate, clearly not the same, so we might be better off just not using 4e book prices if we're using 3e Cliffhangers.

If we do want to use 4e books, then I would still suggest a 1:10 price conversion rate.

This message was last edited by the player at 17:12, Sun 16 July 2017.

Game Master
 GM, 74 posts
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 17:17
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I have to admit, I hadn't really considered the differences in cost. Er, oops. I r fail.

Uhm, everyone okay with multiplying things by, say, ... 30 (so long as they're based on Cliffhangers which, of course, means not your starting cash)? At the moment that basically means Preston's offer.
Peter Stewart
 player, 41 posts
 Charisma 1
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 17:22
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Yeah, I'd be way more excited about an effective $300/month retainer. That's enough to live on. :)
Game Master
 GM, 75 posts
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 17:24
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I'm fine with that. Like I said, I hadn't considered the difference in money at all. *facepalm*
Patience
 player, 34 posts
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 17:29
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Way to use your Diplomacy vs the GM, Peter! grin

Patience could live with that.  It would be a huge step down from the mansions and caviar or whatever rich people do that she's accustomed to, clearly, but Charles seems nice so she'll take the hit.  As a favor to him.

...Mind you, if anyone does want to negotiate it up a little, she wouldn't mind.
Ma Itso Boggs
 player, 36 posts
 Quiet & Observant
 Steady & strong willed
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 18:01
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
The GURPS Process does make it simpler. I'm good with that, do we need an exchange rate for the local currency?
I'd expect the GBP ( sterling) is quite acceptable here.
Artemis P. Fox, Esq.
 player, 45 posts
 Antiquities Professor
 Cambridge University
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 18:03
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
   And I thought *I* was bad at math... (Only made it to Grade 8, but calculators have been a godsend.)

   
Peter Stewart:
Yeah, I'd be way more excited about an effective $300/month retainer. That's enough to live on. :)


   "Well, it might be enough for you to live upon, Sir..." as Fox might put it. :)

   Personally, a $300/month retainer is perfectly fine for me - it might be a bit of a pinch for the Professor, considering where he's come from as a tenured University Professor, but it wouldn't be the first time he's had to 'step into the trenches' to get the job done.

   I'll edit the Professor's post accordingly, of course.  Well done, Mr. Stewart.  :D
Peter Stewart
 player, 42 posts
 Charisma 1
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 18:06
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I spend more time than is healthy thinking about rpg economics.
Artemis P. Fox, Esq.
 player, 46 posts
 Antiquities Professor
 Cambridge University
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 18:08
Re: [OOC] Out of Character
Peter Stewart:
I spend more time than is healthy thinking about rpg economics.


   You say that like it is a bad thing ... looks more like you managed to raise our standard of living to that of a 'living wage'. Nothing to be worried about. Call it a talent, if you wish.
Game Master
 GM, 76 posts
Sun 16 Jul 2017
at 18:58
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So I guess we're all agreed, then. Now I have to figure out exchange rates *grumble grumble* ;)

Oh, also - yeah, GBPs are accepted in Egypt. I mean, maybe they weren't IRL, but I can't be arsed to look up when, exactly, they stopped using Money A and started using Money B (or whatever). Actually, he gave you the American dollar amount for two reasons: IC, because there are Yanks in the group and, OOC, because that's the term GURPS uses. I didn't include Italian or Rumanian currency because, well, mostly I doubt he'd know it off the top of his (or my) head, but also because IC he doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would have researched it; only OOC reasons really made me add the GURP$ money.