OOC Discussion Thread.   Posted by SteamRoller.Group: 0
Felicity Van Horn
 player, 91 posts
 The American
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 23:39
Re: Holidays
Pew pew pew! Cool stuff.
Grimsby H. Baskerville
 player, 364 posts
 A Colonial agent knowing
 Mars past and present
Thu 12 Mar 2020
at 03:26
Re: Holidays
In reply to GM SteamRoller (msg # 290):

Interesting. I did not know we were working within a specific alternate history. I might say I am currently (in my rare spare time) researching an alternate history I mean to create in which Britain did go to war with Russia in the aftermath of the Russo-Turkish War of 1877, as it almost did in our actual history. In my version, Britain not only enters the war but loses. Russia ends up with Constantinople and Bulgaria has the wider boundaries of the (in our world, abortive) Treaty of San Stefano. Armenia becomes  a Russian protectorate...Disraeli, discredited by defeat, is beaten by the Liberals with a huge majority, so Gladstone is able to implement Irish Home Rule....
GM SteamRoller
 GM, 161 posts
 Gearhead
 Machinesmith
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 03:02
Re: Holidays
Yowza! More detail about Britain than I wanted to know!

At one point, some of my friends got involved in Space: 1889 RPG. I found a bit less interesting, particularly the detail the game went into with Mars. I just didn't get it. I thought there was a lot of Earth that was still unexplored and didn't see the point of Mars. Still don't, really. Someone else's 'great idea'.

So, I decided to do an Atlas for Earth... specifically, one for each of the 7 continents. I decided to do them somewhat in the style of the old Baedeker's Travel Guides.

With Space: 1889, they had included Ruritania as a 'real' country in the Balkans. I thought: why stop there? So I've added about 100 other fictitious countries/places from fiction, comics, TV and movies. Not EVERYTHING... just the ones that had some interest.

In the process of researching the real countries from the time period, there were quite a lot of semi-countries that existed, such as Yucatan, Tierra del Fuego, Amapa, Counani, and the Mosquito Coast. So, sometimes I didn't have to make up anything--it was already there. Other times, it was just fun to make up details for places, like Lugaash (Pink Panther), Ishtar, Shambhala, Sunda, Grand Fenwick, Genovia, Concordia, etc.

With the advent of steampunk 'technology', almost-countries also had a chance to become independent, particularly amid the political jockeying of the time.
Grimsby H. Baskerville
 player, 365 posts
 A Colonial agent knowing
 Mars past and present
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 03:43
Re: Holidays
In reply to GM SteamRoller (msg # 293):

Yucatan as an almost-country interested me. As you may know, the conventional colonial elite there did secede from Mexico, but then got defeated by the Maya (inspired by a talking cross) in the Yucatan Caste War -- the Maya rebels held out in the jungles for generations.
GM SteamRoller
 GM, 162 posts
 Gearhead
 Machinesmith
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 13:36
Re: Holidays
Exactly. The Mexican government sent a military force to conquer/subdue the Mayan government... and couldn't find it! The Mayans were a decentralized country; there was no capitol or central government to attack and force it to surrender.

One little steampunk invention easily turned that into outright independence. Along with Yucateco, Hidalgo (British Honduras/Belize) and San Pedro (Cozumel) also gained independence.

I made British Honduras into Hidalgo as a tribute to Doc Savage, named after the fleet captain that defeated the Guatemalan fleet.

San Pedro was a one-man operation as Cozumel was considered a worthless sandbar at the time.

See what fun I had?
Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 191 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 21:18
Re: Alternate World History
In reply to GM SteamRoller (msg # 295):

     And I shoved a successful Empire of Mexico, under Emperor Maximillian, on him.  ^_^
     In this alternate history, Presidente Benito Juarez (and what was left of the Republic of Mexico's Treasury) were successfully captured by French forces, as the Presidential party tried to flee Mexico City, ahead of French forces.  Juarez was captured alive and imprisoned--but by Maximillian's order he was treated well.

     Maximillian met with Juarez many times, after this--the Emperor trying to convince Juarez that he was not some puppet of France, as well as informing the former Presidente of his intentions to enact many Progressive reforms to both benefit the common citizen, as well as curtail some of the powers that the Old Aristocracy (the rich Mexican Landholders who'd initiated Maximillian's rise to The Throne, in the first place) were abusing.
     Juarez listened, even made suggestions on assisting Emperor Maximillian to create a Constitution and a Parliament.  Juarez's loyalty to Emperor Maximillian was finalized, when Benito Juarez was given a full Imperial Pardon, and assumed the office of Chancellor-for-Life--the Emperor offered this to Juarez as a guarantee that Juarez would be able to provide a political "counter-balance" to the Monarchy--the Chancellor would lead the Parliament.
     Between Emperor Maximillian and Chancellor Juarez, a stable and effective Constitutional Government was quickly established.

     But how did the Mexican Empire survive, once the American "War Between The States" ended, and the US Federal Gummint could rattle its sabers about the Monroe Doctrine, again?

     Well....

     In Mexico, the European allies who'd backed Maximillian still pulled out, and for all the same reasons--Spain, then England, and finally Emperor Napoleon III, withdrew their support, and their military forces.  Only the Belgian Legion, who were personally loyal to Empress Carlotta (who was a Belgian Princess, by birth) and the Imperial Mexican Army (which was not very well trained or supplied, and had been treated poorly by Napoleon's French troopers) remained under Maximillian's control.
     While the loss of having Benito Juarez as their leader (as well as not having the Republic's Treasury to fund them), the Mexican Revolutionaries in the north were even less effective.  But, with the US Civil War over, the Federals would be pouring both money and illicit military forces into the Revolution.
     What Maximillian needed was Professionals.  Battle-hardened Soldiers, led by iron-willed Generals.
     What he got was the weary remains of the armies of the Confederate States of America.  But they were Professionals....the Mexican Revolution never had a chance....

     Enter ex-Confederate Navy Commodore Matthew Fontaine Maury.  Before the War Between The States, Maury had been a US Navy Officer and Scientist, studying Ocean Currents and Meteorology.  Before The War, Maury had met several times with, and befriended, Maximillian when he was still just an Austrian Archduke--the two shared many scientific and personal interests, and had kept a correspondence over the years.  After the end of the War Between The States, Maury had gone to his friend, now Emperor of nearby Mexico, to seek refuge from US reprisals for himself and other Southerners who did not wish to live under The Reconstruction.
     Maury's original plan had just been to ask his friend the Emperor for a place where Confederate expatriates could settle in peace, while other Confederate generals such as Fighting Jo Shelby, Edmund Kirby Smith, John B. Magruder, Sterling Price, Thomas C. Hindman, and Alexander W. Terrell (Google these guys, if you're interested! What the Hell else is the Internet good for?  Oh, right...Porn.  I forgot.  Never mind).
     These former Confederate commanders had also made their way to Mexico after the war, in some cases followed by hundreds (in Shelby's case 1,000) fighting men from their former commands.  They came with the idea of volunteering as a kind of "Foreign Legion" under the Mexican Emperor, rather than live under Federal rule, back in the US.
     While all of these men had anticipated seeing the Emperor individually, before any such meetings could be arranged, each former Confederate commander received an invitation to visit the Mexico City home of a "M. Yves Florian Durand", who described himself in his note as "an anguished expatriate of La Belle New Orleans" and wished to discuss with them "the future of our Grand Confederacy".  All the ex-Confederate commanders attended this impromptu summit--and each was surprised by the presence of the others.
     Monsieur Durand, explained that he was the current, and "legitimate", leader of The Knights of the Golden Circle--a secret society that had, since before The War, been involved in fundraising and spreading sympathy for the Southern Cause, and during the war had not only gotten hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of money and materiel to the Confederacy, but they also actively engaged in espionage and sabotage, on behalf of the Confederacy.  He went on to explain that, currently, the Golden Circle had possession of several thousand British Pound Sterling worth of gold, in both bars and loose coin, and he wished to donate this money to the Generals, their soldiers, and the Southern Cause in Mexico.
     All he asked in return was to be allowed to attend a meeting, along with all of them, with Emperor Maximillian.
     Agreeing to this request, Commodore Maury arranged such a meeting for himself, along with Monsieur Durand, as well as Fighting Jo Shelby, Edmund Kirby Smith, John B. Magruder, Sterling Price, Thomas C. Hindman, and Alexander W. Terrell.
     The meeting did not start off well.  Anticipating what the Confederate Generals might ask of Emperor Maximillian, Marshal François Achille Bazaine, the commander of all French forces in Mexico, attended the meeting, and, knowing of the French Emperor Napoleon III intention to knuckle under to pressure from the US, and withdraw French forces from Mexico and abandon any plans to support the Mexican Empire--Marshal Bazaine intended to prevent any deals for the ex-Confederates to join with the Imperial Mexican Army.
     While Marshal Bazaine had no issues with Confederates moving to Mexico to become peaceful farmers, every time that one of the former Confederates offered their military services, the Marshal proclaimed, quite fervently, that the French Army would provide all needed military forces, and that France would never abandon Emperor Maximillian, and if ex-Confederate forces were allowed to join the Mexican Army "it would be an affront to all of France and Emperor Napoleon III, himself!".
     Finally, during one such affirmation by Bazaine, Monsieur Durand interrupted, addressing both Marshal Bazaine and Maximillian in flawless Parisian French, and outright called the French Officer a liar.  As the French Marshal blustered through a shocked and offended denial, Monsieur Durand began producing copies of documents from Marshal Bazaine's own Headquarters--documents from the French Military Command, outlining Emperor Napoleon III's wish to remove all French forces from Mexico, as well dates and times for the naval withdrawal of said forces, and there were even several responding documents, signed by the Marshal, himself.

     Needless to say, relations between France and Mexico crumbled quickly thereafter, and Maximillian not only accepted the offers of men and support from the former Confederate Generals, but also--after Monsieur Durand gave a generous "donation" of gold to the Imperial coffers--he gave overall command of all Imperial Mexican forces to the ex-Confederates.  So, knowing that as soon as the last French soldier was gone from Mexican soil, the US would threaten to invade, the new "Imperial Confederado" High Command began an immediate reorganization and retraining of the Mexican Army.  Tons of munitions that the Golden Circle had purchased from Britain, but were unable to deliver before The War Between The States ended, were delivered, now, to Mexico.
     While back in the US--specifically in Texas, where anti Federal sentiments still were running high--the Knights of the Golden Circle, calling themselves the "Sons of Liberty", caused as much disruption for Federal forces stationed in Texas as they possibly could, slowing US buildup of forces for a Mexican invasion.

     Thus, with the nascent Mexican Counter-Imperial Revolution being stymied from the start by the capture, and eventual pro-Imperial sentiments, of Benito Juarez (and the loss of the Republic's Treasury with him), and the influx of ex-Confederate soldiers into the new Imperial Army (reorganizing and retraining the entire organization into a copy of the old Confederate Army), enough time was bought to allow Emperor Maximillian to prove himself to the People of Mexico (Peons loved him and his wife Carlotta, and recalcitrant Nobles who ignored the Emperors new policies were often visited by steely-eyed, bayonet-armed Confederado Soldiers), as well as time to prove to potential European allies that he had staying power--it didn't take them long to recognize his legitimacy as ruler of Mexico.
     With such backing, the US lost the initiative to invade Mexico without causing an International incident.

     By 1870, the Knights of the Golden Circle produced enough gold to "purchase" Imperial permission to take control of three US-bordering Mexican states--Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas, on the Gulf Coast.  These three states would become the "Distrito Autónomo de los Estados Confederados del México Imperial", or the "Confederate States Autonomous District of Imperial Mexico"--aka, "The Confederate States", "The Confederacy", and abreviated "CSA".
     The Confederate States is a member-state of Imperial Mexico, and gains all rights and protections thereof, but it is allowed a wide degree of self-governance and law-making, which takes the form of a Republic, with a President, a Congress, and a Supreme Court--just like back in Virginia.  The autonomous Republic must swear allegiance to the Imperial Throne, and acknowledge Imperial Suzerainty over said Republic, as well as obeying a handful of Imperial Mandates (including Slavery and the Slave Trade being illegal in the Empire, and several Land Reforms...which any red-blooded, democracy-minded American would have enacted, anyway).
     The Confederate States have completely fortified their side of the Rio Bravo (called the Rio Grande, in the US), with tall, thick walls, heavy forts, and a railway that runs behind it all, using armored trains to rapidly shift men and materials.  When challenged by US forces, these fortifications often utilize sophisticated rocket artillery.  And there are rumors that the Confederates are working on fast, one-man, steam-powered Land Ironclads (Armored Cavalry).
Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 192 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 21:19
Re: Alternate World History
Um....apologies, everybody....that kinda got away from me....I got excited....
Catherine Harston
 player, 171 posts
 Proper Young Lady
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 00:03
Re: Alternate World History
How long does it take us to get to Gibraltar?
GM SteamRoller
 GM, 165 posts
 Gearhead
 Machinesmith
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 00:13
Re: Alternate World History
It'll take about 4 hours to reach Gibraltar because of the indirect route you are taking.
Felicity Van Horn
 player, 94 posts
 The American
Tue 5 May 2020
at 01:44
Re: Alternate World History
Apologies for my absence. Corona life got me kinda spun around.
Grimsby H. Baskerville
 player, 375 posts
 A Colonial agent knowing
 Mars past and present
Tue 5 May 2020
at 02:11
Re: Alternate World History
In reply to Felicity Van Horn (msg # 300):

Glad you are back.
GM SteamRoller
 GM, 172 posts
 Gearhead
 Machinesmith
Sun 2 Aug 2020
at 14:53
Re: Alternate World History
If no one is interested in posting for the shopping spree, we can just skip ahead to the departure.

While I wasn't anticipating any lengthy adventures while in transit to Mars, I figured a few posts would be appropriate.... say, one round per month of travel... just to help convey the passage of time.

OR... we could just jump ahead to arrival on Mars... and leave it to the individuals to post about their 'ordeal' in space.

What do the rest of you think?
Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 205 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 02:33
Re: Alternate World History
In reply to GM SteamRoller (msg # 302):

     If the trip to Mars is intended to be...uneventful...boring, even, then please, let's skip ahead to the approach and landing on The Red Planet.


     Because, while I truly do appreciate the opportunity for interesting Character Interaction during the trip--trust me--if I start the ball rolling on making "boring trip posts", things will quickly get very, very....strange....

     Y'see...I've been inside my head, before....it's dark and stuffy...and there's cobwebs all over the place....and the ceiling is too low, I kept bumping my head...and there is absolutely no sign of intelligence...anywhere!!!
Grimsby H. Baskerville
 player, 384 posts
 A Colonial agent knowing
 Mars past and present
Mon 3 Aug 2020
at 02:49
Re: Alternate World History
I am willing to do it either way. Shopping is not a major interest for either me (Player)or Grimsby, but I suppose he could go along to watch out for pickpockets and the like.
Likewise, Grimsby is an experienced spacefarer on the Mars run, but he has no professional piloting skills, so if he was active he would probably be socializing or brushing up on his knowledge of pre-Seldonian Martian texts.
If the other players want to play out these phases of the game, fine, but he would be just as happy jumping directly to Mars.
Catherine Harston
 player, 181 posts
 Proper Young Lady
Tue 4 Aug 2020
at 06:00
Re: Alternate World History
I think a few posts en route would be nice
Grimsby H. Baskerville
 player, 385 posts
 A Colonial agent knowing
 Mars past and present
Wed 5 Aug 2020
at 02:37
Re: Alternate World History
In reply to Catherine Harston (msg # 305):

Grimsby is always willing to defer to his ward's wishes.
Catherine Harston
 player, 182 posts
 Proper Young Lady
Fri 7 Aug 2020
at 03:22
Re: Alternate World History
Thank you, dear guardian!
Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 214 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Sat 3 Oct 2020
at 04:41
Re: Alternate World History
In reply to Catherine Harston (msg # 307):

     AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!  I can't take it anymore!!

     I want that Lithuanian Punk to explain just how we're supposed to get up to that Ship's Wheel--which is out on deck!--when we're out in Space!!!

     'Cuz I do not look forward to standing a Watch out there, in a Space Suit...
Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 217 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Mon 16 Nov 2020
at 07:00
The Horror...The Horror...


Well Folks, on top of all the Pandemic Crap and Pustulent Political Posturing we've been having to deal with, we now are entering that most dreaded of social crises....

THE HOLIDAYS!

That's right, the time of year when IRL shoves it's unwanted presence upon all of us--interfering with our Gaming Plans and causing a general Slow Down of all our Posting!

I tell ya, it's enough to make a person want to eat Fruit Cake and wear Ugly Sweaters--just to make it Go Away!





Seriously though, over the next couple of months activity across the Boards traditionally  does tend to slow down, as everyone gets caught up in The Holidays.

So, whether it's pulling extra hours at work, having to "entertain" visiting Family, or just running around in circles and screaming in frustration, we all need to be just a little patient if some of our favorite Boards start to slow down--or even grind to a halt!

It's just temporary!  This, too, shall pass!

And soon enough we can get back to what's really important -- Gaming!

Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 224 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Thu 10 Dec 2020
at 05:00
WHERE THE HELL AM I??
I was having difficulty with my Mobile Hotspot capability.  I finally gave up, tonight, and threw money at solving the issue.  I might get a couple of posts up, tonight, but more than likely it won't be until tomorrow (Thursday) afternoon, before I start getting caught back up.

But, at least I figgered out my new All-Purpose Excuse!

quote:
"....I blame Trump!..."

GM SteamRoller
 GM, 176 posts
 Gearhead
 Machinesmith
Tue 22 Dec 2020
at 16:23
Holiday Blues
It wasn't supposed to happen. I didn't foresee it happening. I'm not doing anything or going anywhere for the holidays. Yet, they up and blindsided me!

Don't why, but my brain's been mush for a couple of weeks now, creatively speaking. I sort of had an idea of what to do with this phase of the journey, but I rolled a '1' on the dice roller and fumbled it right out of my head!

I'm just starting to get some creativity back in my brain, but if anyone has an idea for what to do/where to go next, SPEAK UP!
Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 225 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Wed 23 Dec 2020
at 03:18
Holiday Blues
In reply to GM SteamRoller (msg # 311):

     Mars.  Straight to frikkin Mars!  Do not Pass Luna.  Do not Collect $200.

     ^_^
Joseph Rudyard Hunnisett
 player, 226 posts
 Navy Commander (Ret)
 Wandering Explorer
Sat 26 Dec 2020
at 08:15
Holiday Blues
     Buon Natale, y'all!
GM SteamRoller
 GM, 177 posts
 Gearhead
 Machinesmith
Tue 29 Dec 2020
at 03:35
Holiday Blues
een sick for the past week. Nothing serious, just a seasonal cold where my whole body aches, I take the usual meds, and then all I feel like doing is laying around in bed all day. It's still hanging on which is why I'm posting this.
Grimsby H. Baskerville
 player, 401 posts
 A Colonial agent knowing
 Mars past and present
Wed 30 Dec 2020
at 02:58
Holiday Blues
In reply to GM SteamRoller (msg # 314):

Very sorry you have been ill. I hope you recover completely very soon.