RPoL has always developed based on feedback from the community, and as such coming in the next version will be the following changes:

1. New users will have to provide an age statement when signing up.  This age statement is month and year only (as are all other age statements referred to below).  We do not collect more than that as there are incredibly strict security and data retention requirements if we collect private/identifiable information (such as a full DOB), plus it is illegal to ask if the user is under a certain age in some countries.
   
   
2. Any user who is currently blocked from the adult section will remain so.  Subscription (which is not yet implemented) may be your only option to reverse this if your current denial is due to something other than the fact you're under the age of majority.  If you are currently under the age of majority (or are under 18) then you have to wait until you are not.
   
   This point aside, adult access is not attached to subscriptions.
   
   
3. Any user who currently has access to the adult section will be changed to have an adult access level of "not requested".  This includes existing and new members alike.
   
   
4. All users who wish to have adult access will need to provide an age statement / age of majority statement which requests access to the adult section.  This will be automatically requested whenever you try to access an adult game (outside of the game introduction and group 0/public threads), or you can do it from "User Preferences".  At that point your adult access will change to "pending".  This submission will be put into a queue which will be reviewed by myself and the other moderators.  This statement will either be approved or denied depending upon the statement provided.
   
   Only a member who has an account that is over two weeks old can request adult access.
   
   
5. If a user's adult access is denied then see point 2.
   
   
6. If a user's adult access is granted then they have access to the adult area of RPoL, but not to a specific adult game (read on to make sense of that).
   
   If you are granted (or denied) adult access you will receive an rMail letting you know.  The rMail auto-deletes once it is read.
   
   
7. Any adult game you enter and try to post in/manage (even those you GM) will also prompt you for an age statement.  This statement is instantly registered, at which point you are permitted normal interaction in the game -- but only that game; you must do the same for each adult game you're in.
   
   "Normal interaction" means you can then perform whatever actions you normally would be able to, as dictated by the GM.  If you're a visitor then you can send/continue an access request, if you're a player you can post as per normal, if you're a GM you can manage the game as per normal.
   
   
8. If a game is changed to the adult classification then the above point will kick in immediately.  There is no longer any need to temporarily remove players to get age statements from their account name.
   
   As the game owner, you will be given a summary of who does and does not have adult access when you go to covert the game (including your own adult permissions).  If you, as the game owner, do not have adult access then it won't let you change the classification.
   
   
9. As a GM, you will be notified as often as possible if a user has not provided an age statement for your game.  GMs can also see an overview of the age statements that their players have submitted, in so far that they can see if age statements have been provided, not the value provided.  The can do a similar check for prospective players.
   
   Generally you will not be able to add a new player to an adult game if they do not have access to the adult section of RPoL.
   
   
10. As a GM you will no longer have to collect age statements for players, the system handles it all automatically.

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In summary:

• Adult access will be automatically handled by the system, though it should be noted that adult access to the site will not be automatically granted.
• Accounts which are over two weeks old will be able to request adult access.
• Players will be able to view game information (including group 0 and public threads) without having adult access.
• GMs will no longer need to request or keep age statements.
• There are no planned changes on the appropriate content for adult games.  The game introduction, group 0 and public threads must also remain appropriate for all ages.

Current timeline for these changes is about two weeks.

*Thumbs up*

Looking forward to testing this all out. Looks like great work to me!

Well done Jase. This looks well thought out and hopefully simple to administer. Thanks for the effort!!!!

As a GM of multiple Adult games I think the idea is great, I'm just dreading the implementation. This is effectively going to halt all my games until the Mods have time to clear everyone, including me.

It will be worth it in the long run, but the short term will kill me.

ETA:  When can we start submitting those statements to the Mods?  Any chance they'll get an early jump on them to avoid the backlog at implementation?
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*two thumbs up*

Thank you this will give such a great boost in the long run as it will make life easier for us GMs.

In reply to Evil Empryss (msg # 4):

That would just move the backlog.

And produce a situation where some people think the new system is in place when it actually hasn't started yet.
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In reply to bigbadron (msg # 6):

Nah, not everyone is as motivated as I am and will wait until the system smacks them to submit one. ;-)

Even so, there is no point trying to get an early jump on the change.

Without the new system in operation we can't actually do anything to clear accounts through it.  So all that would happen would be your request would sit there, gathering dust.  It wouldn't be processed any sooner.

So, if we're currently in/running adult games, our access won't be affected, but we still need to submit age statements/verification ASAP, correct?

Your access will cease until you've been approved through the system.


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In reply to Jhael (msg # 10):

But I thought...

"7. Any adult game you enter and try to post in/manage (even those you GM) will also prompt you for an age statement.  This statement is instantly registered, at which point you are permitted normal interaction in the game -- but only that game; you must do the same for each adult game you're in.

"Normal interaction" means you can then perform whatever actions you normally would be able to, as dictated by the GM.  If you're a visitor then you can send/continue an access request, if you're a player you can post as per normal, if you're a GM you can manage the game as per normal."

Yes, that's correct, and will apply in addition to point 3 and 4.

Not instead of.

If I read this right, what will happen is everyone GMing or playing in an adult game will be blocked from viewing that game until first their adult access is approved and then they register their statement in each adult game they participate in.

If I have this right: Adult games might go on hold until the backlog is cleared, but no-one in the game will be deleted? At least until the flood of requests has dried up.

Yup, Tileira, pretty much.  And while there might be an initial hold up, it shouldn't be repeated as going forward requests will be submitted in significantly less numbers.

So an initial delay, and then pretty much an automated system.

In reply to Jhael (msg # 14):

So 'registered' in this context means 'approved'? That isn't the impression I got from jase's post.

Can't comment on your understanding of context :)

You apply to the adult section generally, which is either approved or denied, as per point 4.

You can then register for particular adult games, which is the process outlined in point 7.

"Registering" it in an individual game happens after the user is "approved".

It looks like "approved" means you're cleared to apply to adult games. "Registered" means your age statement is recorded within that specific Adult game.

If you are not approved, you will not be able to apply to and register in adult games. Trying to send an RTJ to an adult game without having adult access with (re?)direct you to request adult access. I'm not sure whether it will be possible to send an RTJ, but GMs will not be able to add you to an adult game if you have not been approved for adult access.
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Can you please confirm - does this mean (data protection) that GMs should delete private threads including age statements currently held in their games?

Thanks

GMs will no longer be required to keep such threads.

Note that this will only apply after the new system goes live.

GMs should leave all age statements just as they are until the change actually goes live.

what is time line for this to happen (the new system going live)

Seems good to me

In reply to hegemon (msg # 21):

Says at the bottom of the first post - "about two weeks".  This is a provisional timeline for now though.
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This is awesome. I look forward to it. Especially because that means that I don't have to keep the RTJs with the age statements in my PMs and can finally delete those once the new system is up and running.

Personally, I don't mind at all that I have to wait for a certain period to be cleared. :)

I am stoked about this - for exactly the reason that shinanai just posted.  Now I don't feel like I'm the one barrier between someone getting into a corner of the site that they really shouldn't be in (and losing a game that everyone who is supposed to be there has worked so hard on as a consequence).

Excellent move!

Questions (that I think I already know the answers to):

• Since you're just checking to confirm age, if someone is in multiple Adult games or running the same, they'd only need to be vetted once, yes? That is to say, the Day of Change comes, I log in, input my information, then wait until the approved, and once approved I can access all of my adult games (just have to wait on everyone else to be vetted too so that they can respond).
• Is there an estimate on how long the vetting process might take? I mean, there's a comparatively tiny number of Mods/Admins when compared to the number of site users (though the list of adult gamers amongst those site users would of course be smaller). If I've got an adult game, with say, 8 players for instance, might we see a game slow down of a matter of days, weeks, longer?
• As an addendum to the above, I don't reckon it would matter if a game was shifted to Mature (providing of course that there's no Adult-material visible/remaining/able to be seen) until this whole thing is sorted out with a mention to the involved players along the lines of "hey, no Adult shenanigans for at least a couple of months"? Will the new system, when its up, allow for games that are Mature to be shifted to Adult?
• Woot for changes that will ultimately make it easier to run the site!

In reply to writermonk (msg # 25):

While you will be approved by the site once, to get access to Adult games, you will still need to provide the information in each individual game, to be accepted into those games.

The processing for the initial site applications will likely result in some delays to games.  Remember, the moderators will need to approve the requests, and we are not full time employees of the site.  All of us have lives away from RPoL.  We will, however, try to keep delays to a minimum.

I believe the system will allow for switching of games between different ratings (unless jase tells me I'm wrong on that).

From the original post Point 8 says that on changing a game to adult status, every player the next time they access that game will get asked for the age statement. If a player in a game is not registered for adult access, the GM will have that information before they change the game to adult status.

So yes, it looks like the system will automatically handle switching between ratings.

There seems to be an implication that not everyone who currently has adult access will be approved for it once the change takes place. Out of curiousity what sorts of things would make it so someone is denied adult access? (Seeing as I am 46 it would be most strange to be denied adult access)

I think that I have to echo concerns over the changeover process.  Once the system s in place, that should not be a problem, but I do think that we need to consider what can be done to minimise the impact.

First, is there any estimate of how many players are affected ?  Is it possible for us to get an idea of the number ? (rounded to 1 significant figure would be fine)

Second, are there any plans to get extra moderator time to handle the flood of approvals expected ?  I'd suggest at the least scheduling the changeover to a convenient time for as many of the moderators as possible.

Minimising the impact has been a consideration all along.

Not sure how we would get extra moderator time - we already give whatever time we can to the site.

Think the best to do at this point is to thank the Mods for dong what they can to help us out, and have some patience when this is being done. Yes you might not be able to post for a bit until they get to you but it is a small sacrifice especially for what could have happened.

Thank you guys for the work and time you are putting into this. :-) It is very much appreciated.

I have no issues with the mods and I realize that this will make things easier in the long run. Patience is not an issue nor is a delay in posting. I would just be interested in knowing what things could make a person be denied adult access (other than being under-age).

In reply to bigbadron (msg # 30):

Would it be possible to temporarily "hire" mods for this changeover?  I don't know whether someone can be granted limited moderator privileges or whether it would have to be done by trust.  Either way, once most applications are out of the way, those mods could have their temporary status revoked.  I would certainly like to help through the change over.

In reply to msg # 28:

The same sort of things that would cause people to lose adult access today.

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If you want to minimize impact, my suggestion is for people to not make any demands on moderator time once the process begins until the bulk of the changes is done and exercising patience (as prophacyks says above).  Above all, refrain from 'are we there yet' types of questions during the first few days.

It would also be a good idea for GMs to refrain from asking questions about their players' access, though I'm sure some will be tempted.

I may be wrong, but I don't see the process being THAT much of a delay on anyone's game -- a matter of hours or minutes in most cases rather than days or even a day.
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I am looking forward to this change.  I have already posted an announcement in my games for players to read over what will happen, so they are not caught by surprise when the change is implemented.

I really don't mind the delay that may come, as it will benefit everyone, especially the GM's.

Thank you RPoL team for your hard work and keeping things running smoothly.  It is very much appreciated.

I don't know about anyone else, but I figure since I don't think I have a clear picture in my mind on how things will be once GM has access and then players if the GM's will have to do anything or if the players will just be sitting back in their characters once they do whatever they need to do to get back into the game. I figure I am going to put a thread up as roll call to know who has made it back in so far.

So just to make sure I understand:
 -Adult games will basically be "On Hold" until all the people in that given game are re-granted access to the Adult section of the site?
 -Once that's completed, GM's no longer have to worry about whether or not prospective players to their Adult Games are allowed to participate?

This is going to be messy, but I think in the long run, it's going to make running Adult Games a LOT easier.

Do you guys have any concept of how long it'll take to clear the list? (I'm assuming weeks, months)

No, adult games are on hold only for the GM/player who hasn't requested access and been approved.

Once that's done, GMs are still responsible for reporting concerns, and violations of the adult games policy to the moderators.  They are also still responsible for enforcing 'maturity' in their games.  If someone is acting like they aren't old enough to be in an adult game, then the GM is still responsible for removing them from the game.

No, I feel confident that it won't take weeks/months -- except that there may be players who delay that long in requesting adult access for whatever reason.

I'd expect the delay to be in hours for most people rather than weeks or days.

Just thought I'd hop in again and say "thank you" to the site staff. This policy change and system implementation is awesome. Props to you Jase and crew for really stepping up to fix a problem that is a real issue internet wide. This father is glad you guys take this so seriously.

Okay, that tracks. Thanks for the clarification!

In reply to pfarland (msg # 33):

No, "hiring mods" wouldn't work.  For one thing, they would not be paid anything for their time, so they wouldn't be hired.

Then there's the fact that it would require us to make user information available to people who never had access to it before.  How many users would like their email address, age/date of birth, etc... handing over to a bunch of relative strangers?

*cough* we do that every time we sign up for anything at all.

Nasty cough you have there.  :)

Yes, but when you sign up for something, you're handing the information over of your own free will, as opposed to the people you give it to then passing it on to a bunch of other people without you knowing who they are.

In reply to bigbadron (msg # 41):

Well, the "hire" was not really meaning paid, lol.  Though you do make a point about information.  I was just kicking out an idea.

This policy change meets with my satisfaction. I dread the speed bump, but it's pretty much unavoidable.

I really think everyone will be in favor of this.  And like it was said, the spped bump will probably be hours as opposed to days.  Even a day wouldn't be a big deal.

In reply to pfarland (msg # 44):

You can tell by how few of us there are that moderators are added pretty rarely.  And basically, someone's a site moderator or not (there's no in-between stage because we've never needed one).

Since we don't expect the requests for adult access to take more than a few hours to approve in most (if not all) cases, I don't expect taking the time to train new people who've never modded RPoL where all the controls are and what to do/what not to do and all that would really be worth the time.  (That and finding people who can be trusted with their mod abilities is not exactly trivial or quick to do ;-).)
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In reply to cruinne (msg # 47):

Yeah, I wasn't sure if there could be a limited mod.  And it's all a moot point if we aren't talking days to weeks of the speed bump.

Just for verification purposes, since it isn't explicitly stated in the explanatory post: No one is actually being removed from their adult games by this automated process, and therefore all PM threads/scratchpads/etc within such games are safe, and will still be there once players reacquire the right to post in those adult games?

That is correct.  None of the content will be removed from any game.

Awesome. Thanks Ron. I was dreading having to warn people to back all of those things up! Looking forward to the new system. :)

Should make some things easier that is for sure. Here is hoping no bugs sneak into the system.

As a software engineer and an experienced user of this site I know there can be some hickups, but so far everything about this policy seems right. Of course, I am a roleplayer hitting porn occasionally, as opposed to a porner doing RPG for porn, so this sort of thing hits me not nearly as often as it hits the folks who come here primarily for porn. Of course, I will reserve my main judgment for after implementation, but so far this looks like a step in perfect direction and accepting recommendations myself and several others have been making over the years.

I'm good with the implementation of this age verification, I think it's a good idea and I applaud Jase and the Mods for coming up with this solution.

I think it might be easier to just have anyone against this speak up.  Seems to be that everyone so far likes it.  How rare is that?

This looks like a good idea if I’m understanding it correctly. I’m all in favour of anything that reduces the amount of info I have to provide, the number of occasions on which I have to provide it, and the number of people who get to see it.

The only downside is that it seems I now have to provide a mm yyyy statement whereas before I could get away with just providing an age.

However... I’m following items 1-6, but I’m afraid I get a bit lost in 7-10.

Item 7 suggests that each game you enter will request an age statement.
Item 8 para 2 and item 9 suggest that the GM will not see the age statement and will only get an ‘Adult yes/no’.

Can you clarify:
1. Will the GMs for each game see my mm yyyy?
2. Can you explain the purpose of requesting an age statement in each game if access is automatically denied to any adult games if you are not a ‘member’ of the adult section? It looks like you’re doing the same thing twice. Maybe I’m being a bit dense, but I’m just not getting this part.

Thanks. :)

I think it's rather that people not liking it keeps silent or moves off-site.
*shrugs*My two cents on that anyhow.

In reply to icosahedron152 (msg # 56):

1.  No, they won't.

2.  Age statements in each game provide another layer of security.

Thanks BBR. :)

Bear with me I am getting old here ....

So as a GM I still should ask for this statement

I (user name), age ?? born March 1954 am of legal age to roleplay in Adult games in the area I live in.

Just not asking for the full date of birth.  I have used the user name and full date of birth in the past to search the net to see what I can pull up on the username and see if age matches what I have.  I only would do this if I am in doubt.

So what you are saying is that when a new player registers for the site they will be checked out by birthday then and give what accesses they need.

Or am I simple confused.com here...

Just trying to get my head around things ;-)

For now, please collect statements as you have been doing.

Once the change happens, the system will require a statement from the user when they request to join an adult game, as well as the initial statement at signup (or at changeover for existing users) when they request adult access for the site.
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Thanks Shannara ;-)

One last question. I have already collected statements of age from all of my players. When the change occurs, will I have to halt my game and wait for the permission to run through? Or can I continue running it, provided I do not use adult content or even set the game to Mature temporarily?

In reply to ladysharlyne (msg # 60):

I do have to say, though, that the thought of GMs using my information to search for me on the internet bothers me a little.  I know it's always a risk when information is shared, but to have someone openly admit they are surfing the web to check on me is still disconcerting.

In reply to CaesarCV (msg # 63):

If you have any Adult material in the game, you will not be able to set the game to Mature unless you remove it first.

And yes, there will likely be a short delay in your game while accounts are processed.

In reply to SWolfe (msg # 64):

I have to agree with SWolfe, that is a bit concerning to me also. It is one thing to be on the site, and seen some other stuff to go by to judge a player. But to take their information which a player entrusts to a GM and use that off of the site. That wouldn't sit well with me either. And if I had a doubt about anyone, I just either remove or don't let them into the game. Doing extra steps like that just seems unnecessary. Now I kind of understand why people don't want to give their full birthdate on some of the RTJ's and rather just go with their age.

In reply to CaesarCV (msg # 63):

There'll be a short delay while your access is granted, but once that's done you can continue to run your game as per normal.  Players might get access later, depending upon when they submit their adult requests, but there's nothing stopping you continuing on with the game as soon as you get access to it.  Just be mindful that others might not be as quick to request adult access as you.  You may want to wait for them, but you don't have to.


In reply to prophacyks (msg # 66):

Alas I can't help with what other people do with your details, but once this change goes in you won't have to submit your DOB to GMs.

I have personally never tried searching any of the people I meet on here by their birthday and I truly hope no one has tried with me, but seriously I don't worry about it.

In reply to fireflights (msg # 68):

Same for me.  I really don't care if anyone "looks" me up.  Heck, it's why my screen name is the same here as just about everywhere else and why it's my first initial and last name.

Mind you I have no concerns over identity theft though.  My credit is so bad, they'd probably make it better by stealing it, lol.

In reply to Shannara (msg # 61):



So I imagine when you try to submit a RTJ to an Adult game, the system will present you with a popup or something that says 'please enter your month and year of birth' (which the GM won't see) before it will let you write your RTJ, and if you don't already have access to the Adult Section, it'll redirect you to the Adult membership area instead, where the mods will vet your application. Then, once you've been approved, you can go back to the game and start the RTJ (including popup) again?

Or something like that?

Pretty much exactly like that.

Should we back up our data and stuff for Adult Games we're already in?  I feel like this is one of those kind of situations.

EDIT: Forget this, I just saw above.  I was in a hurry reading while getting ready for work.

Toodles!
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Protip: New RPoL features are often available on the beta site for those who want to figure out their workings before they go live.  http://beta.rpol.net

Let me just clarify something here.  I do NOT check all players by their user name and it is only if I feel a player is acting as if they are underage.  Only then do I google the user name.  I don't wish to turn anyone in as under age possible until I have seen some proof.  I have perhaps done this a total of 10 times in my many years of GMing.  But we all know there are those that are underage and lie in their rtj.  As a GM we take the age and birth as being the truth.

As someone having been around RPol for years I know the legal complications and trouble the site and administrators and GMs can get into serious legal trouble.  I never ever google a user name unless I am unsure and if the person is lying I am sure they would give you an excuse if you simply asked 'are you really 18 yrs old' and they are going to tell me the truth if they are not.  I am also known to go to the Admin when a player comes of age properly and speak kindly for their return to adult roleplay.

I respect all the users and don't wish to feel I have to verify someone's real age.  I do NOT keep any info that I have seen on anyone but if something looks 'wrong' I alert our wonderful Admin Staff and they check things out and make the decision.  I too use my name ladysharlyne on all sites I am on and I like the person above that said it best as no one wants to get into my credit ratings and that's for sure!

I think that this will be a good thing when this feature comes out as it will take a lot of weight and worry off the minds of us GMs.  There will be hiccups in the beginning but hopefully it will be a system that is fair and deduces the age limitations.

I do not think I will ever sign up for your adult games then. Try googling my name I dare you. It will be dance schools, Spanish women and...Peophin ??? To be fair one entry in the first two pages belongs to me... a Gaia account I stopped using 6 years ago.

In reply to Merevel (msg # 75):

Yeah, google my name and at best you get my month/day of birth. Someone checking my age would be out of luck.

A little note to nudge the thread back on topic -- which is changes to the Adult section of RPoL.

Sorry about that Shannara.

Personally, from what I have read of this thread. It gets a big thumbs up from me.

Well, it's been two weeks... any word on the progress for this update?

"Two weeks" was only an approximation.  As soon as there is any news on this change, it will be posted.

That would be a "no" then... gotcha.  Thanks.

For what is worth, new policy is up on beta site. I've tested it a bit, so it usually means that it will be up pretty soon.

In reply to Verisimilitude (msg # 79):

Based on some feedback I'm tweaking the way age statements are recorded and handled.  Haven't had the time to finish or test the changes so there will be a delay.

Other then the technical standpoint of, "My adult games wont fuction for a few days onces this update goes live" Something that is, lets be honest here, required for the system to work at all, I see no problems with this, and find it a great addition to the RPOL system.

It takes the pressures and blame off the GM and puts it on the person who wants to join adult games. Can they lie... yes, but I imagine that lying to site admins about your age is a pretty bannable offense.

And honestly if you search the internet via RPOL name to get a judge of someone, you may find out that some people share names, and other people have multiple names... as much as that bugs me, I am guilty of it as well, and as such it would be a waste of time.

In reply to jase (msg # 83):

Any new word as this is an awesome feature to have?

Nothing new yet.

In reply to weasel0 (msg # 85):

Glad you asked... so I could eventually reply.  (c;

Development unfortunately stopped due to about half a dozen major (real life) events.  Some good, some bad (all stressful, I won't go into gory details) but it meant I had no time or energy to devote to RPoL.

Life has some semblance of normalcy now and I'm now trying to recall where I left off so I can then finish the tweaks I was making.  Then there's some testing to do on all the changes to the next version, and when I'm happy everything will work as expected the new version will be rolled out.

I won't give estimates this time as that'd just be mean, I really have no idea!  (c;

In reply to jase (msg # 87):

   FWIW, Thank You.

This is a change in the right direction. I'm not interested in giving my birthdate to every rando who thinks they can run an "adult" RPG. This is why I've never joined one. Month and day aren't even necessary to determine if you're over 18 except when you are right on the cusp, anyway. I'd prefer if you only required a simple "I am over 18 and legally allowed to view adult material in my location" statement, personally, but this is fine.

Anyway, take your time, but in the meantime, can I possibly just put X's in the month/day field if I RTJ an adult game?

Until the change goes into effect, the rules of this site still requires you to give either an exact age, or a full date of birth.  So giving a date of birth with X's in it would mean the GM has to deny you access to that game.

Annnnnnd, the update to forum level adult screening is now apparently live.

Or so says my access to the one adult game I post daily in,...



Something tells me Jase and crew are about to have a busy weekend.

Smooth and painless. Nicely done, and thanks gents.

Is there still the plan to tie adult access to an eventual paid subscription?

I believe that the adult access/subscription tie in will only apply for those who have lost adult access due to not following the site rules.

Ya might want to wait for a jase confirmation on that, though.  :-)

I had to wait all of about 60 seconds.  Thanks for the excellent transition.  =)

Oh! Hey, Shannara! I need to send in a facepic for this month! *goes to make it*

Wait times will vary, just based on when moderators are around.  I plan on checking in fairly steadily throughout the weekend, excepting sleep time for US Central time zone.

If you guys do go to adult sub only, would you please wait until I die from thyroid cancer, because I would genuinely hate to be site banned because I can't afford to run adult games. And that's what would have to happen because I have no intention of giving it up willingly and can get free adult gaming elsewhere.
This message was last edited by the user at 15:59, Sat 22 Aug 2015.

In reply to steelsmiter (msg # 98):

That's not what Shan said, quite the opposite really.
This message was last edited by the user at 16:05, Sat 22 Aug 2015.

Oh I was just making sure :D

In reply to steelsmiter (msg # 100):

You could have done that by scrolling up this thread a few posts.  :)

At first I was concerned about the transition to the new system being janky, but my concerns were completely unfounded and approval was practically instantaneous. This is a much better system to move forward with, imo.

Thank you to all the moderators/administrators for being so receptive to community input, in addition to continuously tweaking and improving the site. The steady improvements and consistent rules regarding acceptable content make this a great and safe place to be.

I apologize if this has already been asked: Does this mean age-statements are no longer needed by GMs?

I asked this.

They are no longer required, but the GM's are allowed to ask if they like.

It would be appreciated if you would keep the ones given for a while until the new system is fully in effect.

However, for new players added, you will not need to get age/legality statements.

BUT -- that does not remove the responsibility to remove players/report players whose behavior or statements in game brings age into doubt.

So, I think my mouse slipped while entering the age thingy for an adult game I was considering joining.  Thus, the information entered was not matched to what's on file, and I was suspended from all adult games.

I have sent an Rmail to the moderators, but was wondering if anyone knew approximately how long to expect a response?  And what I may need to do to prove it was an "oops" not that I'm secretly a minor?

Thanks for any assistance!

Quick check, guys... Not sure if I missed it - and if so, then I apologise for having a "man look."

What's the turnaround for approval into the adult section? And are players notified when they've been approved?

Just wanting to send a couple of RTJs and it keeps boxing me out. :p

The turn-around is, "as quick as we can" for the first request.  Can't be more specific than that, because it all depends which mods are about and how busy we are.  After that the system is completely automated.

I may have missed it, but is there a reason for the "two week old account" rule? I plan on starting a game here at some point in the future, but I can pretty much guarantee none of the people I plan on inviting will be current RPOL members, and a two week waiting period is essentially a death sentence.

You can always make your game non-adult while you're doing the setup, then switch it over after a two week period.

Yes, there is a reason for the limit -- one of them is so that people who are denied adult access have less reason to go open up a new account in an attempt to get around it.

Another reason is that two weeks to get to know the site and the adult rules helps to avoid problems.

Waiting periods are surprisingly customary. The shortest one I've encountered is 3 days.

Perhaps the people could create accounts ahead of needing them. Gives them time to get acquainted with the format and rules of the site

Alrighty, that makes sense. Thanks!



I considered this, but I'm inviting people from a FB group, and I don't know which of those who are going to respond I'll ultimately accept so it won't work in this case. I think Shannara's suggestion - non-adult to adult after a few weeks - will work better. Thanks, though.

(That said, you're right - I wish I could get them acquainted with rules and formatting ahead of time. C'est la vie.)

This whole thing has been live for a while right? I feel like it was a long time ago that I just had to put my DOB in the box to app for an adult game.

Since what ever date that was I've been telling DM's in my RTJ that they don't have collect (and I'm not going to submit) age statements.

RuBB update 67 on 22 August 2015 was when the adult access changes were intoduced.

You're right - GM's don't have to collect age statements any more now the system handles all that automatically, but they're certainly still allowed to ask for age statements in the RTJ if they choose to ... and you're right again, you've met the site requirements by going through the age verification process ... though the GM might turn down your RTJ if you don't provide an age statement when they've asked for it, as is their prerogative.