Jarodemo
 member, 854 posts
 My hovercraft
 is full of eels
Wed 22 Jul 2020
at 19:24
Re: Portrait Submissions
Thanks, mine is in and now in use!
Dream Sequence
 member, 61 posts
 Certainly the loveliest,
 most civilized of us all
Wed 22 Jul 2020
at 19:46
Re: Portrait Submissions
In reply to Warrax (msg # 342):

Just a curious question:  Why would it be decided to put a portrait in a different gallery than the one suggested by the person who submitted it?  The categories are pretty arbitrary, I can usually barely detect a difference between Casual, Business, and Rugged, and have to search through all three to find "that one portrait I remember."

This message was last edited by the user at 20:33, Wed 22 July.

Morgan Coldsoul
 member, 310 posts
 29+ years RP experience
 I'll forget again later
Wed 22 Jul 2020
at 20:11
Re: Portrait Submissions
In reply to Dream Sequence (msg # 344):

tl;dr: Usually it's just a rare and minor case of "they want this in female X but this person is nonbinary/male/etc." or similar, and once in a while it's an executive call to put it in a category where it might see broader use.

Longer explanation: The former is just general respect for the character or, in the case of real people, for the person. The latter is typically a case of someone submitting a monster or nonhuman creature of some kind; because they picked out the image for a character who already has an identity in their head, they're thinking of the image itself as male/female/etc., when actually it has no particular characteristics that pin it firmly to that category because it isn't a human being and doesn't play by our rules of appearance or physicality or whatever.

So, a lizard person or a dragonborn or an anthropomorphic animal might be placed in neutral to help indicate for users browsing the gallery that we feel that avatar is suitable for characters of any gender expression. Most people who go to the gallery looking for a portrait already have something in mind and can make that decision for themselves without help, but sometimes you have folks who might be on the fence, and seeing a portrait in a particular category can be what cements the decision for them to use it.

In either case, we get relatively few of these because most people who submit images to the gallery don't actually specify where they want it, to begin with, and just leave it up to us. Thus, the percentage of pics that end up somewhere else when someone does make an explicit request is vanishingly small. Nonetheless, because it does happen, as a courtesy we recommend that users check every gallery that's been updated after a cycle in order to find their submission, since we can't say we guarantee it will go where you ask.
Warrax
 subscriber, 275 posts
Wed 22 Jul 2020
at 20:31
Re: Portrait Submissions
So the male/neutral/female thing is usually pretty straightforward. It's very rarely something we change after submission. It's more the specific category inside of the broader category where it gets fuzzy, and to be honest? There hasn't been a lot of integrity to some of the categories for a while now and we're trying to change that so the categories are a little bit more descriptive of what you'll find with in.

Other than that, what Morgan said.
bigdaddyG
 member, 37 posts
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 13:44
Re: Portrait Submissions
For Gender ones questions? What if we see a portrait that is clearly in wrong gender. Should we let you know? Asking cause know of at least one
Morgan Coldsoul
 member, 311 posts
 29+ years RP experience
 I'll forget again later
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 14:05
Re: Portrait Submissions
Sure; if you see any mistakes in the galleries, at all, you're free to tell us and we can make a note.
ladysharlyne
 subscriber, 2774 posts
 You get out of a game the
 effort you put in it !!
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 14:23
Re: Portrait Submissions
Question if changes are made won't that throw what players might be using as a pic out of sync? You have one person's face one day and wake up to find it is a different person the next day as pics have been shifted?
Morgan Coldsoul
 member, 312 posts
 29+ years RP experience
 I'll forget again later
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 14:32
Re: Portrait Submissions
I don't think we can tell how many characters are using a specific portrait, sadly, which means we can't know for sure how many people would potentially be affected. However, we already technically do this when we delete duplicates and replace them with a new upload, because that also affects anyone using that particular portrait.

Fortunately (in this case), it's a slow process that doesn't happen often, so we could just make an announcement, maybe, along with the regular gallery update.
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 320 posts
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 15:22
Re: Portrait Submissions
I don't really understand how this works, obviously, but hypothetically speaking...

If you changed a portrait's categorization (NOT deleting it), from say 'fmg123' to 'mmg123', wouldn't that just change the image that people are using from one label to the other, without removing the image?

I understand that when you delete and replace an image, that changes it - if you go to bed with fmg123 being a blonde lady, and wake up to fmg123 being a brunette because the previous image in the 'slot' has been removed and replaced with another one, but it seems to reason (to my non-technical mind at least) that changing the 'slot' shouldn't bork people's portraits - it should just change the numeric designator for the image they're using, resulting in going to bed with a blonde labeled fmg123 and waking up to the same blonde labeled fmc789.

Deleting and replacing images doesn't feel good to me, though, unless you could tell that absolutely no one was using an image. Even in the case of duplicates, because someone is probably using that duplicate if just because that's the first version of the portrait they came across - and sometimes what looks like an exact duplicate isn't -quite- the same. The lighting might be better, or it might be a smidge higher resolution. Unless the image is 100% identical, like someone accidentally submitted the exact same portrait twice, I feel like we should probably let them stay. (And definitely announce when it's been done, if it happens, down to providing the numbers for the removed image so that people know there's an out-of-order new image to check out, and the numbers for the duplicate that stayed, so that people that lost their portrait know where to find the other one without having to go hunting.)

Same goes for re-ordering what looks like wrong gender applications. Yeah, there are several female portraits in the males, and several males in the females, but those ones are pretty ambiguous and only obvious if you know exactly who the subject in the portrait is, and in some cases trying to re-order them would lead you down the slippery slope of defining someone's gender identity. That feels like a sleeping dog that's probably best left to lie.
Shannara
 moderator, 3865 posts
 When in doubt,
 frolic!
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 15:24
Re: Portrait Submissions
A suggestion - when I moved portraits, what I would do is put up a placeholder PC  (ie, a silhouette with 'use FFD112' as text over the silhouette to direct users to the new pic') and then replace the placeholder eventually with a new pic so that there were no gaps in the gallery.

Of course, this will effect games that are no longer in use, as players have left the game or may never go back and change the portrait, but it IS a potential solution.

Just offering it up, should the current portrait editor(s) decide on reorganization.
Morgan Coldsoul
 member, 313 posts
 29+ years RP experience
 I'll forget again later
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 16:30
Re: Portrait Submissions
Thanks, Shannara; that's a great idea, actually, should we need to use it.

WRT to moving portraits around: AFAIK, the system calls to file addresses by name, not to a location (or "slot") with variable contents. Warrax does the uploads and can correct me if I'm wrong.

WRT duplicates: Images are considered to be dupes when there's no real discernible difference between the two. Any portrait of the same person, character, object, etc. from a different angle, with different lighting, and so on is treated as a totally discrete entity. Dupes usually result from someone sending the exact same file in (typically one they've already modified, themselves, down to 100 x 100 and < 5kb) multiple times. Perhaps because they didn't see that their first submission was uploaded, or maybe because it wound up in a category they didn't check, they submit it again. Using that example, I might look at it and not realize I've already passed that exact picture along to Warrax the month before last, so it winds up getting added a second time.

WRT portrait gender: If we consider moving, for example, a feminine portrait out of a masculine gallery or vice-versa, then I assure you it's only to agree with a known gender identity. That is, if somehow a picture of person A, who definitively and publicly identifies himself as male, is spotted in female/modern/rugged and can be unambiguously recognized as that person, then we might conceivably move it out of respect for person A. That's why we might take a recommendation under advisement, but it's not something we're doing on the regular.
jase
 admin, 3776 posts
 Cogito, ergo procuro.
 Carpe stultus!
Fri 28 Aug 2020
at 09:25
Re: Portrait Submissions
The saved portrait ("fmg123") relates to the image being use ("fmg123.jpg").  There's no mapping done as there's a direct correlation between the portrait name and the file name.  So moving images around messes with the reference.

Additionally remember that the portrait in use is saved as part of the thread.  When you view a character's post it doesn't look up their current portrait (bio or even posts) -- it references (within the data of the post) the portrait used at the time of the post.

This allows for characters to change/develop over time while not retroactively suddenly changing every single old post.  More importantly it allows for characters to be removed from the game without suddenly losing all the post information.
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 324 posts
Tue 1 Sep 2020
at 15:53
Re: Portrait Submissions
*eagerly awaits August's portrait upload!*
Shannara
 moderator, 3868 posts
 When in doubt,
 frolic!
Tue 1 Sep 2020
at 16:09
Re: Portrait Submissions
A small announcement, just in case:

The male portraits (at least) will be moving from my web hosting to rpol's in the next few days.  Hopefully the move will be done before my hosting expires, but just in case it doesn't ... don't worry.  The male portraits will be back up as soon as jase has time IF there is any downtime.

I've enjoyed hosting the male gallery, but I no longer need any sort of website myself, and I just don't have the desire to maintain it as any active site should be maintained for security purposes.

updated - the move is complete and there will be no outage

This message was last edited by the user at 21:55, Fri 04 Sept.

Morgan Coldsoul
 member, 314 posts
 29+ years RP experience
 I'll forget again later
Tue 1 Sep 2020
at 17:41
Re: Portrait Submissions
Thank you so much for hosting it all this time, Shannara! <3
Warrax
 subscriber, 279 posts
Tue 1 Sep 2020
at 20:42
Re: Portrait Submissions
Quick update. We have all the portraits for this last cycle. I'm moving, so it's taking a touch longer than I'd like, but they will be up shortly, in case anyone was wondering.

Sorry for the delay!
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 325 posts
Tue 1 Sep 2020
at 20:56
Re: Portrait Submissions
Sweet - thanks for the heads up! Have a safe move. =)
sacmarvelrpg
 member, 4 posts
Fri 4 Sep 2020
at 19:47
Re: Portrait Submissions
Looking forward to it-- and many thanks!
Warrax
 subscriber, 280 posts
Thu 10 Sep 2020
at 15:31
Re: Portrait Submissions
Just a quick update.  Our process is temporarily a little different now that portraits have been moved to a different location, so there will be a further delay for at least this month. That said, portraits are queued for upload and I'll let everyone know once that happens, and then again once things get back to normal.

Apologies for the delay, this won't last for too long.
sacmarvelrpg
 member, 5 posts
Sun 13 Sep 2020
at 22:39
Re: Portrait Submissions
In reply to Warrax (msg # 361):

No problem, thanks for the heads up.
drew0500
 member, 200 posts
 D&D Gamer
 Eclipse Classless
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 00:27
Re: Portrait Submissions
Is it a simple ftp process or something far more complicated? I'd imagine ftp would be an easy upload and managing it would be simple. Especially if the portraits are already conformed to the specs.
Warrax
 subscriber, 281 posts
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 02:15
Re: Portrait Submissions
The new portraits are now up!

Female
 - 1 Warrior
 - 5 Casual

Male
 - 1 Demihuman
 - 1 Rugged
 - 1 Sci-fi Human

Neutral
 - 1 Monster
 - 1 Demihuman
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 331 posts
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 02:30
Re: Portrait Submissions
Danke, sirs! =)
Sotalia
 member, 189 posts
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 02:57
Re: Portrait Submissions
In reply to Warrax (msg # 364):

My friend sent in a portrait which didn't make it into this upload. If it was because she missed the deadline, does that mean it will make it into the next upload? Or should she resubmit the portrait?
Morgan Coldsoul
 member, 315 posts
 29+ years RP experience
 I'll forget again later
Mon 14 Sep 2020
at 03:00
Re: Portrait Submissions
If you miss the submission deadline, then your portrait will be part of the next batch, as long as there were no other problems with it (like leaving off your RPoL username, etc.).