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OOC 3.

Posted by SSOGMFor group archive 0
Senor Garcia
player, 334 posts
Retiree (MA: 22)
HP: 85 SDC: 188/183
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 15:32
  • msg #949

Re: OOC 3

I would like to just point out that the basic operation of a semi auto rifle, bolt action rifle and sub machine gun are all the same.

Thus there’s no real reason for a separate WP for semi automatic rifles and Sub machine guns other then the fact that the writes of the RPG book never handled said weapons.

Case in point as a trained basic rifleman in the USMC (I wasn’t a grunt, but close to it) it took all of 5 minutes to explain to me how an Uzi works and fires from an open bolt as opposed to a closed bolt on an M-16 or M-4. After shooting some paper targets we cleared a shitty half burned down mansion the Tanzanian army used for CQB training with live ammo and using Uzi’s instead of M-4’s, and Remington 870 shotguns.

Years later my uncle handed me a German Mauser from WWII and it took about five minutes to figure out out that weapon worked.

So I think Winter Hereald will be just fine using an Uzi.

Senor Garcia does have two auto rifles tho. One for CQB, and the other while meant as a sniper rifle could be used as a battle rifle as well. Old geezer can’t/won’t carry both of them and he won’t mind sharing.
SSOGM
GM, 1101 posts
Some Sort Of
Game Master
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 19:53
  • msg #950

Re: OOC 3

To be honest, the weapon proficiencies appear to be a kludge. Look at ancient ranged weapons across the books and you'll find version 1 had one WP for any ancient ranged weapon (W.P. Targeting).
Version 2 has W.P. Archery and Targeting, W.P. Throwing Weapons (small), and W.P. Targeting (Throwing/Missile Weapons).
Senor Garcia
player, 336 posts
Retiree (MA: 22)
HP: 85 SDC: 188/183
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 20:02
  • msg #951

Re: OOC 3

SSOGM:
To be honest, the weapon proficiencies appear to be a kludge. Look at ancient ranged weapons across the books and you'll find version 1 had one WP for any ancient ranged weapon (W.P. Targeting).
Version 2 has W.P. Archery and Targeting, W.P. Throwing Weapons (small), and W.P. Targeting (Throwing/Missile Weapons).

I can understand why the 1st Edition versions of the WPs could be wonky. But you would think that for a 2nd Edition (that’s 1998 for Hero’s Unlimited) maybe more research could have been done because by that time we had the internet.
Winter Herald
player, 703 posts
AR 15, SDC 600/600
Winter is coming.
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 20:28
  • msg #952

Re: OOC 3

Honestly, I'm fine with the weirdness. If you want to give it to me for free, or houserule that WP away in place of Automatic Rifle, you can do that. If you want to change nothing, that's cool. Changes mean I alter my text, which can be done quickly, and no change means I don't.

To be honest, I've noticed the various Archery and Targeting skills. Some of them stack, which I didn't feel was an accident. Knife and (in a moment of oddly having done research) Sword both also play nice with one of those Weapon Proficiencies.
JUSTICAR
player, 1542 posts
Mutant ExoPilot MA15/PB14
HP55, SDC137 J:700 AR15
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 20:39
  • msg #953

Re: OOC 3

Hmmm... I never pondered that overlaping Weapon proficiencies might stack their bonuses!  Interesting...
This message was last updated by the player at 20:39, Wed 01 Nov 2023.
Psi-Bird
player, 34 posts
Master Psion MA17/PB14
HP36, SDC45/165cos, AR13
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 20:40
  • msg #954

Re: OOC 3

I'm holding off posting a reply to give Runa and Captain Justice a chance to post.
Senor Garcia
player, 337 posts
Retiree (MA: 22)
HP: 85 SDC: 188/183
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 21:06
  • msg #955

Re: OOC 3

JUSTICAR:
Hmmm... I never pondered that overlaping Weapon proficiencies might stack their bonuses!  Interesting...

Targeting is one WP that does/should add to the throwing strike of other WP’s provided the weapon is MEANT to be thrown.

For example if you have WP Knife and Targeting then targeting bonuses adds to your thrown knife strike.

Spear is an example where it depends on the weapon if targeting should be factored in. If you have a javelin which is meant to be thrown the answer is yes. If you have a rifle with a bayonet attached (yes it’s a spear!) then the answer is no because that kind of spear is not meant to be thrown, as it is not aerodynamic.
JUSTICAR
player, 1543 posts
Mutant ExoPilot MA15/PB14
HP55, SDC137 J:700 AR15
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 21:13
  • msg #956

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Senor Garcia (msg # 955):

That makes perfect sense...
Senor Garcia
player, 338 posts
Retiree (MA: 22)
HP: 85 SDC: 188/183
Wed 1 Nov 2023
at 22:32
  • msg #957

Re: OOC 3

In reply to JUSTICAR (msg # 956):

Not sure where I have it (maybe in my dead N&SS game here on RPOL) but I even have all the WP’s you should have to use the ninja specific weapons (of which there is not a WP listed in the book). Basically I researched how each weapon was used and went “Ok you need WP Chain, and WP Axe for that”. This meant a full blown ninja had just about every ancient WP.
Runa
player, 487 posts
HP 30, SDC 47
PB14, MA 18
Thu 2 Nov 2023
at 00:43
  • msg #958

Re: OOC 3

Hi, super busy today and not feeling great. Killer sinus headache. Yah burn pits.

I think the root problem here is applying logic to Palladium. It can't be done with any consistency. The fundamentals of Marksmanship are the same, ad Garcia pointed out. There is no difference between aiming and firing a bolt action rifle or a semi-auto rifle: sight alignment, sight picture, breath control, trigger control. Stance if applicable.

This ties into the general mess Palladium has made of its skill system. For myself, there are just way too damn many skills. If I had it my way, the skill categories would be the skills.

In this instance, it would be Ranged Weapon as the base skill, then Firearm ad the next level specialty before finally reaching the top tier specialty of Uzi. Base skill gives X% to all Ranged Weapons, Firearms adds Y% to the base, Uzi adds a final bonus.

This applies to all skills.
Chimp Man Z
player, 989 posts
Mutant Circus Freak
HP101/101,SDC343/336
Thu 2 Nov 2023
at 01:30
  • msg #959

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Senor Garcia (msg # 957):

Actually, the Ninjutsu Martial Art Form gives a very large variety of Ancient Weapon Proficiencies.
Winter Herald
player, 704 posts
AR 15, SDC 600/600
Winter is coming.
Thu 2 Nov 2023
at 01:55
  • msg #960

Re: OOC 3

I did come up with a homebrew system for dealing with skill bloat, but that was mostly because some skills are - put simply - more useful than others. That said, it's homebrew, and would honestly be a pain to implement mid-game.

It did occur to me that I'd be surprised if Runa might not be as reserved as Lilibeth is on Winter Herald's viewpoint. Then again, her reaction to the idea that Winter Herald thinks she might be someone else's alternative personality would probably go over like a lead balloon. Winter Herald is materialistic to a fault, although he would certainly be open to concepts like "extraterrestrial" or "alternative dimension."

Also, "thousand post limit" and all that jazz.
Senor Garcia
player, 339 posts
Retiree (MA: 22)
HP: 85 SDC: 188/183
Thu 2 Nov 2023
at 02:18
  • msg #961

Re: OOC 3

Chimp Man Z:
In reply to Senor Garcia (msg # 957):

Actually, the Ninjutsu Martial Art Form gives a very large variety of Ancient Weapon Proficiencies.

Yeah but IIRC it doesn’t really say what ninja weapon applies to which WP or it’s the fact those WPs are not listed. I’d have to crack open the book and find the notes I did up because I was going to have Juicer Ninja’s attack the players at some point in my N&SS game.
SSOGM
GM, 1102 posts
Some Sort Of
Game Master
Thu 2 Nov 2023
at 02:43
  • msg #962

Re: OOC 3

I've always found the whole "weapon kata" aspect of N&SS to be fascinating, especially where ninjas are concerned. They get eleven weapon proficiencies* to begin with, but are allowed no more than three weapon katas (the third coming at level eleven).

    *Weapon Proficiencies included
  • Archery
  • WP Shuriken
  • WP Fukiya (Blow Gun)
  • WP Fukimi-Bari (Mouth Darts)
  • WP Kawanga (Rope/Grapple)
  • WP Knife
  • WP Kusari-Gama
  • WP Kyoketsu-Shoge
  • WP Manriki-Gusari
  • WP Nekode (Cat Claws)
  • WP Shikomi-Zue (Hidden Blade Staff)

Chimp Man Z
player, 990 posts
Mutant Circus Freak
HP101/101,SDC343/336
Thu 2 Nov 2023
at 03:33
  • msg #963

Re: OOC 3

I would love to see Palladium update the game more in line with Rifts.  It think 8f a Martial Art teaches a weapon proficiency, it should be considered a kata; why teach it as part of the fighting style if you can't use it with the fighting style?
Psi-Bird
player, 35 posts
Master Psion MA17/PB14
HP36, SDC45/165cos, AR13
Thu 2 Nov 2023
at 10:34
  • msg #964

Re: OOC 3

Ok. I'm going to make a post at around noon EST.
Shockwave
player, 1 post
Fri 17 Nov 2023
at 02:02
  • msg #965

Re: OOC 3

<wave> Hello all!
Chimp Man Z
player, 993 posts
Mutant Circus Freak
HP101/101,SDC343/336
Fri 17 Nov 2023
at 02:17
  • msg #966

Re: OOC 3

Hullo.
Drifter
player, 93 posts
How may I be of service?
Fri 17 Nov 2023
at 04:40
  • msg #967

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Shockwave (msg # 965):

hello
waving back
JUSTICAR
player, 1545 posts
Mutant ExoPilot MA15/PB14
HP55, SDC137 J:700 AR15
Fri 17 Nov 2023
at 05:00
  • msg #968

Re: OOC 3

Welcome aboard Shockwave!
Spymaster
player, 80 posts
Secret Agent Man
HP:48 SDC:93
Sat 18 Nov 2023
at 02:33
  • msg #969

Re: OOC 3

Hello Shockwave, kind of an odd time to join, but I'm sure you'll easily fit in.
Winter Herald
player, 708 posts
AR 15, SDC 600/600
Winter is coming.
Sat 18 Nov 2023
at 03:15
  • msg #970

Re: OOC 3

Hello. Welcome to the show.
Paragon
player, 130 posts
Lucky Ducky MA 20 PB 25
SDC: 160 HP:35
Sat 18 Nov 2023
at 16:04
  • msg #971

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Shockwave (msg # 965):

Howdy
Paragon
player, 131 posts
Lucky Ducky MA 20 PB 25
SDC: 160 HP:35
Sat 18 Nov 2023
at 16:09
  • msg #972

Re: OOC 3

@GM
Did you see my post #112?
SSOGM
GM, 1113 posts
Some Sort Of
Game Master
Sat 18 Nov 2023
at 16:14
  • msg #973

Re: OOC 3

I opened up <a href="https://rpol.net/display.cgi?gi=70205&ti=45&date=1700323558>How Much Trouble They Got In To</a>, please refrain from posting in a thread for a location that your character isn't in.
I've also created a new OOC thread (it would be OOC 4). We shall transition to using that thread, and then I'll close this one.
I saw that I missed Paragon's post, and treated it properly a little late (it's in both threads, now). Mea culpa (which is ancient Roman for "that's on me").
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