IC: Side Thread for Shopping.   Posted by Storyteller.Group: 0
Storyteller
 GM, 23 posts
 Pharasma's Hand
Sun 29 Oct 2017
at 18:25
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
After checking in at the Whispering Stone, the Jackals head out to purchase odds and ends.  The marketplace is still buzzing from activity, and many adventurers are nervously preparing for the activities tomorrow, buying anything they might have missed.
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 32 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Tue 31 Oct 2017
at 02:43
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
After having been settled in the Whispering Stone, including the necessities of making sleeping arrangements and paying for their initial stay, Khalhim finds himself gathered with the others at a semi-private table, his blade and musket propped up on the side of his chair.

"So, with the 10 silver for the rooms tonight, we are left with 85 gold pieces and five silver. I've been over the inventory lists, and here is what I think we will need, and how much this is all going to cost. For simplicity, I'm just going to list the prices in silver, as our funds equate to 855 of them.

Shovel : 20 sp
Hammer : 5 sp
Pitons : 4 @ 1 sp, so 4 sp total
Charcoal : 5 sp
Additional blank journal : 100 sp
Waterskins : 4 @ 10 sp, so 40 sp total
Oil flasks : 5 @ 1 sp, so 5 sp total
Inkpen : 10 sp

That brings us to 189 silver pieces in estimated expenses. We have 50 feet of rope that Zahur brought, but I'd like to see if we can sell it. Hemp's usually worth 1 gold, so if we can sell it to another group that's another 10 silver, but if we absolutely have to we can get 5 silver for it. So, call it 860 silver, minus the 189, leaves us 671 pieces of silver. Here's where I'd like you to trust me. Silk rope costs about ten times as much but weighs a lot less. Going forward, that's going to be an issue. It would cost us an additional 300 silver, but with that we can purchase 150 feet of silk rope, at far less than the weight of 50 feet of hemp rope. So, 300 off, leaves us 371 silver. 376 silver if Dekkhir can find a buyer willing to part with the full price of the rope.

I don't know if any of you want it, but Alchemist's Fire costs 20 gold a bottle, so for 200 silver we can afford one, and only one, of those, unless we opt for hemp rope instead of silk. I personally would rather use the oil flasks for now, they don't burn as hot but at one-twentieth the cost, they will last us longer. That leaves between 181 and 186 silver pieces. For that, I say we reserve some for hiring a teamster or two. If we have to haul a large amount of recovered items back from our assigned site, it's usually about 3 silver a day for a man with a mule and a cart. Buying that on our own would cost 23 gold, and that assumes we don't have any harm come to a mule while we're clearing it. I'd rather hire one on reserve, and once it is safe we simply escort the man to our site, load up, and bring it back to the Abadarans.

Any thoughts?
" he asks, looking up from his rough ledger.

OOC: I have edited the figures to reflect the reduced cost of room rental. 2 rooms at 5 silver pieces a room equals 10 sp or 1 gp. But since we have to pay by night that means there's at least another 60 sp in boarding costs for the first week.

This message was last edited by the player at 23:17, Thu 02 Nov 2017.

Dekkhir Brokenscale
 player, 24 posts
Tue 31 Oct 2017
at 04:33
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Dekkhir leans back in his chair, legs stretched out strait on the thing, tail dangling from the back, looking a little ridiculous in the human-sized furniture, but trying to make the best of it nevertheless. "Selling rope, that's a pretty tall order... such mundane things, they're not exactly scarce... even so, with all of the tomb raiders here, I'm sure I can find some unlucky sods who didn't plan that far ahead. Might even be able to weasel a bit more than market price out of them, if we play our cards right. I'll approach a few of them offering the rope for sale, talk up its quality, add some embellishments where appropriate... then state the price, and while they're thinking it over, one of you come by, say you overheard... 'Excuse me, did I hear you say that's rope made by Stephan Hindergobs? The legendary rope maker? I've heard of his products but I never thought I'd see any! Where'd you get it? I'll give you 11 silver for it!' I give our unlucky targets a sympathetic look and turn to sell it to you... with luck, they'll jump at the opportunity to own some rope of such untold quality, and make a counter-offer. A bit of haggling on both your parts, and we're a few silver richer." He looks around the table. "Oh, don't give me that look. Haven't you ever heard 'buyer beware' before?"

He considers the rest of the proposal. "Alechemist's fire seems like a great deal... for the alchemist that made it, less so for the sorry sods shelling out that kind of coin for a flask of the stuff. Just as likely to burst in your pack and immolate your back as it is to land where you throw it, by my estimation. My vote's to give that a hard pass, but I'd begrudgingly agree to a few flasks of oil. I suppose that might come in handy, now and again. As for the laborers, I'm all for it, though they might be in high demand around here come tomorrow. Maybe we'd be well served to hire one on retainer tonight, so we can ensure their services when we need them. Physical labor was never really my thing, anyway." He gives a toothy grin.
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 35 posts
Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 23:24
IC: Side Thread for Shopping

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Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 36 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Fri 3 Nov 2017
at 15:07
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Listening to Dekkhir's proposal causes Khalhim to chuckle a bit. Trying to inflate the cost of rope by starting a bidding war in the street is just the sort of thing he was never capable of doing on his own. "Let's get our supplies first, before we get ourselves run out of the market. As for the Alchemist's Fire, well, oil doesn't always light up with a fuse. Lay down one bottle of the liquid flame, then keep throwing oil and the fire keeps burning. But let's see if there's any available before we decide."

Standing, Khalhim redoes the straps and ties that affix his blade to his belt, but his strange, Alkenstar-made primary weapon his handed over to Zahur. "I don't feel like carrying this with me in the market. If you're not coming, would you mind keeping your eye on it while you enjoy your smoke?"

Turning to leave, Khalhim looks expectantly at Eren. "Are you coming? Dekkhir's need for a convincing accomplice will work better with you than with me."

Eren Denollar:
Having checked in Eren went to find Khalhim and Dekkhir. It didn't take long and he handed them what meager coin he had left. Keeping a few coppers for a bite to eat and a drink.

Good shopping. I'll be here in the common room enjoying some mulled wine and watching the entertainment. Be careful.

"Suit yourself. We'll be back in a couple of hours. Shall we, Dekkhir?"
Dekkhir Brokenscale
 player, 27 posts
Sat 4 Nov 2017
at 02:22
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Dekkhir looks up at Eren and nods, then collects his coin purse from the table, slings the length of rope over his shoulder, climbs down from his chair, and prepares to follow Khalhim out into the streets once more.
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 37 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Mon 6 Nov 2017
at 00:43
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
As the two head out, Khalhim keeps a continued eye on the surroundings, walking in such a way to ensure the Dekkhir is directly to his side and opposite his sword arm. As they walk, he glances down at the kobold, and then speaks while still scanning the crowds and buildings. "You were oddly quiet during the time in Abadar's temple. Do you have something against the merchant god or his teachings?"
Dekkhir Brokenscale
 player, 28 posts
Tue 7 Nov 2017
at 19:14
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
The kobold chuckles in response to Khalhim's question. "I don't have anything against Abadar, or those who choose to worship him, but... the focus on material wealth and money is just so foreign to me. You need to understand, most of us, we don't use money... except when dealing with your kind." The implication is that 'your kind' refers to anyone who isn't a kobold, in this case. "If I hadn't left our warren, I could have lived my whole life without ever needing to 'buy' anything." He pauses for a moment, considering that, and adds, mostly to himself, "I suppose in a way, I did," chuckling at his own private joke. "Don't get me wrong," he continues, "I understand the necessity, out here, but I still don't have to like it. All of this," he gesticulates dismissively at the market, or perhaps the city as a whole, "just feels so... unnecessary. These tombs, even... they're nothing more than the ultimate symbols of wealth and prosperity... for their inhabitants, who aren't in much of a position to enjoy their bounties." He shakes his head somewhat sadly at the whole idea. "All of the trinkets and baubles that they're rumored to be holding... all of the resources and time that went into making them, could have been used to make something practical. Rich people give craftsmen money in exchange for a shiny trinket that they set on a shelf, which serves no purpose other than to show their colleagues how much wealth they've accumulated. Why? I could almost understand if they were displaying something they'd made with their own hands, but... it just feels so pointless." He looks up at the man as they walk. "The foundation of Abadar's doctrine is hard to object to... 'Don't hurt people, obey the law', but the underlying reason isn't because he wants his followers to be good people... it's because he wants them to be prosperous and accumulate wealth. It's all just so... shallow." He gives a little shrug. "Under normal circumstances I'd be happy to point out their shortcomings to them, but... whereas we wanted to partake of their services, it seemed prudent to let you do the talking."
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 38 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Wed 8 Nov 2017
at 04:01
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Khalhim can't help but laugh at Dekkhir's analysis of the entirety of mercantile enterprise. "You know, you have a greater understanding than what you give yourself credit for," the human says. "Understand, I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. My father is the devoted, Abadar-worshipping caravan merchant lord, not me. But I had plenty of instruction and exposure to the business as a child. Think of it as a game. Even if you don't like it, don't find much joy in it, occasional victories can get you something you do want, and knowing the rules, written and unwritten, the levels and layers, it makes you a better player."

"Here's a few things to keep in mind. First, Abadar isn't focused on wealth, he's focused on trade, civilization, and society. Ultimately, every single thing Abadar teaches is a fiction, an abstract idea that exists only in the minds of those that believe in it. Coins?" Khalhim asks, touching the spot on his armor within which his coin-purse is held. "Only as much value as we give them. Justice? No matter how fine or complex your ingredients, no matter how near or far you search, justice only exists in the minds of those that analyze it and compare it. I can hold sand, melt sand into glass, flush sand with water, but I cannot interact with physical justice." He gestures to the buildings and the people of the city. "Society and civilization? Nothing but a bunch of individuals getting together and agreeing on the same thing, and then telling their children that this made-up thing exists and they should follow along."

"No, the only true constant is change, and the only the only incontestable Truth is Chaos. Beyond that, it's just what we tell each other." Khalhim grins as he finishes, the market coming into sight. "Now, that said, knowing their rules, playing by the stated rules but also playing by the unstated rules, that's where a true merchant makes his fortune. So tell me, how much experience do you have in actually dealing with markets, and what are the Two Prices that we must always consider?"
Dekkhir Brokenscale
 player, 29 posts
Wed 8 Nov 2017
at 22:43
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Dekkhir looks up at the man and chuckles. "If I had much experience in dealing with markets," he says, "I'd be far better equipped than I am. Like I said, we - kobolds, that is - we don't have much use for markets, or for gold. It wasn't until I left my tribe's warren that I ever saw any need for the stuff at all. It's too soft for weapons and armor, it's heavy, and it's not even particularly shiny, so it doesn't even have that going for it. Even after I left, it wasn't so much a question of myself not wanting to deal with markets as most merchants not wanting to deal with me. When most of them see a kobold, they just naturally assume there's ten more of us hiding in the bushes, and that we're coming to rob them, not to barter. I suppose I can't really blame them for that... after all, in most cases they'd be right, but some are a little more trusting than others."

He pauses for a moment, thoughtful. "Always assumed the ones who were willing to sell to me were charging me far more than they'd have charged anyone else, but... when it comes to these silly little coins," he jiggles his coinpurse, "I'm never really sure how many anything is worth, so... I always had to resort to their own tactics. Make them think whatever I've got to barter with is worth just as much as they're telling me the thing I want to trade for is worth. Doesn't always work... turns out folks who make their living by buying and selling things are pretty savvy, but... it's usually easy enough to rope in - get it? rope in? - folks who don't make it their business to be in the know. Two prices? The only two prices I consider is 'How much do I need', and 'How much can I convince them to pay'."
Storyteller
 GM, 28 posts
 Pharasma's Hand
Thu 9 Nov 2017
at 03:50
IC: Side Thread for Shopping
As the two explorers come into the market, they see they are not the only ones who have decided on last-minute shopping.  Although the location and whatever scant details the Pharasman priests were able to divulge doesn't give much information about the probable contents of the tombs, would-be treasure hunters, tomb robbers, and adventurers are out in force, buying whatever they think they might need, and the merchants of Wati are only too happy to accommodate them.

Almost immediately upon entering the market, a merchant comes over to them, addressing Khalhim and ignore the diminutive kobold at his side.

"Ah, do my eyes deceive me?  I believe I saw you in the lottery today?  Not feeling sure about your preparations?  Well, tell me what you need!  I've got the best supplies for exploring those ancient tombs you're likely to find!"  He waves a sweaty hand at a hastily-erected tent behind him, full of every sort of mundane item a prospective explorer might need.
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 39 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Fri 10 Nov 2017
at 03:06
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Dekkhir Brokenscale:
"Two prices? The only two prices I consider is 'How much do I need', and 'How much can I convince them to pay'."

"Close, not quite," Khalhim says. "That's the common sense answer, but it's wrong. The two prices you need to know: 'What is the next buyer willing to offer?' and 'What is the next seller willing to accept?' Fundamentally, you'll never buy an item for less than what another buyer, immediately next to you, is willing to pay for an item. And, you'll never get more for an item than what a different seller, immediately next to you, is willing to take for his exact copy of your item. Keep that in mind."


As they approach the market and the merchant approaches, Khalhim stays silent for a moment, allowing the purported purveyor of goods to present his products. Saying nothing for a moment, Khalhim steps towards the tent-stall, briefly looking over the selection while keeping one hand secure on his sword, the other held close with the thumb looped through his belt.

Seeing the wares, Khalhim takes the few steps back to address Dekkhir, turning away from the merchant for a moment as he bends down to speak to the kobold, loud enough for the merchant to hear. "He appears to have a rather average selection of wares, Mi'lord. Items suitable for my use but few things your skilled hand would find most worthy of your time and your coin, if you forgive my forwardness. And, he mistakes our reserve for desperation." Khalhim finishes with a wink to Dekkhir.
Dekkhir Brokenscale
 player, 30 posts
Sat 11 Nov 2017
at 07:58
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Dekkhir falls into character, adopting a less casual posture, with his hands clasped behind his back, standing up straighter than usual, tail flicking back and forth slowly behind him. He looks up at the merchant with a bored expression, briefly glancing over his wares before looking back to Khalhim.

"I had hoped that we might find some discerning merchants with more distinguished goods," he says, his words directed at Khalhim but making no effort to speak privately, "but clearly I shouldn't have bothered. If I wanted more common peasant goods, there's certainly been no shortage of peddlers willing to provide them. If he has nothing of any particular note to show us, I see no reason to waste more of the night in this market." He waves a hand dismissively in the merchant's direction. "Unless," he adds a few moments later, "you wish to pick up a few last things for yourself. But be quick about it, and only if you see something a cut above the rest... I'll not have you wasting my coin on something we could get just as easily from the next peddler in this sorry row."
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 41 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Tue 14 Nov 2017
at 03:33
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Khalhim waits until Dekkhir adds the remark about allowing him a few moments to peruse the merchant's wares, then bobs his head quickly and adds, "Thank you, sir. I'll be quick."

Turning to address the merchant, Khalhim rattles off a few items from his list. "I believe I saw pry bars, shovels, pitons and a few small hammers. What is your price for each item, and would you happen to have any silk rope?" As he speaks, Khalhim walks back towards the merchant's wares, beckoning the man to confer with him quickly and to provide the asking price.

OOC: Khalhim won't spend anything more than the market price of each item listed. If the merchant offers any item at a discount of 10% or more he will immediately buy said item, or a bulk purchase if several items can be obtained at slightly below-market rates. If the merchant quotes anything above a 10% markup, Khalhim will leave the stall immediately.
Storyteller
 GM, 30 posts
 Pharasma's Hand
Wed 15 Nov 2017
at 18:31
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
The merchant initially quotes a 25% markup, citing the intense demand for all sorts of items used for exploring and securing old tombs.  He quickly catches himself as Khalhim backs off, offering to sell the pry bars, shovels, pitons, hammers and silk rope for 1% off the market rate.
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 44 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Thu 16 Nov 2017
at 05:19
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
"Yes, yes, my delving gear! I have pre-assembled packages, rope, shovels, hammers, pitons, pry bars, all that you would need. 500 silver for what you ask!" The merchant says eagerly.

Khalhim pauses for a moment, then turns back to Dekkhir, bowing low. "A thousand apologies, Mi'lord! This man thinks us fools! Let us be off at once!" The gunslinger takes a step or two, before the merchant's pleas stop him in his tracks.

"Wait, wait! Clearly you are discerning buyers. Come, see my wares, tell me what you need, I am sure I can offer you a price that is more than fair!"

Khalhim waits for Dekkhir to give a nod, as if to say Oh very well, deal with this peasant, before he returns to the merchant's stall, pulling out items and throwing them into a single pile. As he does so, Khalhim quotes prices, checking each item for basic serviceability. "Hammer, at most, five silver pieces in the Absalom markets. Or at the markets of Sothis or Aspenthar, if you would like a more local measure. Pitons, one silver each. Four should suffice. One shovel, spade shaped, common construction, twenty silver at most. Ah, silk-weave rope," Khalhim remarks, finding the valuable material. "Fifty yards should suffice. Let's see if you have that..." the gunslinger says, taking it out and looping it around the measuring post pegs often used for such purpose.

After measuring out 150 feet of the lightweight rope, the Thuvian takes out his scimitar and cuts at the exact point of measure, returning the (considerably smaller) balance to the merchant's holding container, and tossing the measured coils in with the other items. "One of my colleagues already has a prybar, of course. A good item by which to judge one's asking price. Each fifty feet of this rope is usually ten gold pieces, so, in total, 329 pieces of silver if bought individually, let's call it 325 silver pieces for all of this. You relieve yourself of valuable items for a profit, and I have what I need. Assuming Mi'lord agrees, of course," Khalhim finishes, looking once again to Dekkhir, briefly, while eyeing the merchant with a side glance.

As soon as the merchant looks towards the kobold, Khalhim makes a very brief upwards nod with his head, his eyes turning to Dekkhir as well, and doing nothing else until his companion agrees to the price.
Dekkhir Brokenscale
 player, 32 posts
Fri 17 Nov 2017
at 13:06
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
The kobold looks up at the merchant with his best disdainful expression. "Three hundred twenty five silver, for this?" he asks, waving his hand towards Khalhim's selections. "I suppose... if that's the best that you can offer..." He reaches for his coin purse, then hesitates, looking up at the marchant. "Some of these look rather shoddily constructed. This shovel, for instance - I'm not convinced this will stand up to heavy use, and what good is a broken shovel to him? I assume," he begins counting out gold coins from his purse as he talks, "that all of your wares come with a basic guarantee of serviceability? I'd hate to have to return here tomorrow..." He looks around the market with a dismissive nod, "...and make a scene when it turns out these goods are less than reliable." He counts out the 32nd coin, then pauses, looking up at the merchant. "Surely this will suffice?" he says confidently, holding up the coins. "Silver coins are such a chore to deal in - I'm sure you agree. Once my companion here has had a chance to verify the quality of the goods he's so blithely spending my money to acquire, he'll most assuredly be coming to me asking for more, and his companions as well, I'm sure... the difference can be made up on our return trip." The implication being that if the merchant insists on making him deal in silver that there will be no return trip, at least not to this particular stall.
Storyteller
 GM, 31 posts
 Pharasma's Hand
Sat 18 Nov 2017
at 20:46
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
In reply to Dekkhir Brokenscale (msg # 17):

The merchant sighs, the sound coming naturally from one accustomed to long hours haggling.  "My lord, might I suggest that if you don't feeling like dealing in silver, I would be more than happy to accept the extra 5 silver as a tip for my excellent service.  I assure you that none of my shovels will break with honest use.  They're the finest shovels in Wati.  If they do, simply send your man to return them to me, and I'll buy a competitor's shovel and refund your purchase.
Khalhim ibn'Sarif
 player, 46 posts
 I'm a Trouble Shooter.
 Who here's the Trouble?
Fri 24 Nov 2017
at 03:42
Re: IC: Side Thread for Shopping
Khalhim steps back as Dekkhir and the merchant begin haggling, taking an oblique angle to end up slightly behind and well to the side of the merchant while still in his companion's line of sight. Moving slowly, he reaches into the recessed folds of his armor, and carefully selects five silver coins, holding them tightly in his fist as he pulls his hand out. Waiting for a moment when the merchant is not looking, Khalhim allows Dekkhir to see the coins in his hand, followed by a slow twirl of his finger.