Because every game needs one.

For our wonderful players (and those waiting in the wings) I am going to be going over RTJs today and tomorrow and I expect to have a full party (or close to it) by the end of Friday. I expect things to move quick so keep your eyes peeled.

Alright the final party has been set. We have mostly new players to 2E so feel free to ask questions and solicit character build advice. Luckily it is really hard to make a really hard to totally screw up so dont overthink things.

I would like to get started by Monday so if possible put some time in this weekend.

Glad to be here!
This is my first attempt at a PF2e game :)

Hello all-here to be your healer extraordinaire. ;)

Hello everyone,

Your front line fighter here!
First 2ed game here too!

As an alternative to filling out the character sheets I can use hero lab to generate character sheets for you. They're slim and trim but descriptive enough to do the job.

If you're interested in something like that just PM me and we can talk further.

Hello there, I attempted an Age of Ashes local campaign right before the fall of western cultivation but it was only two sessions. =(

I am playing Faeli, a gnome-illusionist and very trickster-isc type character. =)

Hey all! I am playing Arialis Moonrider. :)

I am your other frontline fighter, and one that specializes in using two weapons, as well as your other spellcaster rolled up into one bundle of joyous elf-ness.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 9):

Where does the Magus come from? Couldn't find it.

Not really a magus. Though there is a paizo magus playtest for the upcoming Secret's of Magic book. In it is also the Summoner playtest. It can be found here: https://paizo.com/community/bl...ts-of-Magic-Playtest

Arialis however is not a Magus, it's just easier I figure for Prague to fit that in there then what she really is. She's aa 120 year old elf with the ancient elf heritage which allows her to take a Dedication at level 1 instead of level 2. She's a Fighter with Wizard dedication.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 11):

It's helpful for me to understand as it will aid in my knowledge of PF2!
Thanks for the info :)

Anytime Tristen. :) Any question feel free to ask. I'll help where I can.

Question

Did I fill out Ancestry Feats and Abilities correct for a Human?
So I get 2 feats from this portion of my character?


ANCESTRY FEATS & ABILITIES
ANCESTRY ABILITY (1ST LEVEL) : HP (8), Medium Size, Speed (25'), Ability Boost (STR, CON), Language (Common), Traits (Human, Humanoid)
HERITAGE         (1ST LEVEL) : Versatile Heritage (feat tba)
ANCESTRY FEAT    (1ST LEVEL) : General Training (Shield Block feat)

In reply to Tristen d'Cordain (msg # 14):

The feat you gain from your Heritage will actually go in the General Feats section as that gives Human's a free General Feat and they are the only one's that get it. And the Ancestry Feat would go there. So yup, so far everything looks right based on what you are showing me.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 15):

Right. I keep the feat under Ancestry to show the source/reason on why a feat was added.
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This message was last edited by the player at 21:18, Fri 09 Oct 2020.

Appreciate all the help I can get :)

So this is what I have so far...


ANCESTRY FEATS & ABILITIES
ANCESTRY ABILITY (1ST LEVEL) : HP (8), Medium Size, Speed (25'), Ability Boost (STR, CON), Language (Common),
                               Traits (Human, Humanoid)
HERITAGE         (1ST LEVEL) : Versatile Heritage (Fleet: Increase Speed by 5ft)
ANCESTRY FEAT    (1ST LEVEL) : General Training (Shield Block feat)

---

SKILL FEATS
BACKGROUND ABILITY           : Ability Boost (STR, CON), Skill Training (Athletics), Skill Training (Lore:Warfare)
Background Skill Feat        : Quick Jump (High jump or Long jump as Action)
Skill Feat       (2nd Level) : ----

---

GENERAL FEATS
General Feat     (3rd Level) : ----
This message was last edited by the player at 21:32, Fri 09 Oct 2020.

Normally you do not get a General Feat at first level. Human's do if they take the Versatile Heritage feat. So you only get a single General Feat, given to you by your Heritage, not 2. :)

Also it's Quick Jump, not Quick Run. lol

Other then that, looks okay.

You could probably clean up sheet clutter by not noting all those abilities there as a lot of them already get noted in other spots. Like HP, Speed, Size, Ability Boost, Languages, and Skills are all noted in those sections. No need to note them again here unless you really want to.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:25, Fri 09 Oct 2020.

Ahhh.
So I've removed the General Feat (Level 1)
And made the selection for Heritage.

At this point, I'm writing everything down on the sheet so that I can keep track everything.

That works. Biggest thing is you and Prague know and understand what you are doing. :)

But so far, looks good! :)

Alright so we have three players (mostly) completed with character sheets. Keep up the good work!

Which deity will your cleric be following?

Hey there-I am tossing and turning between Sarenrae and Iomedae

Well I've made my decision to go with Iomedae :)

I'm your Shoanti ranger!

I'll be working the character sheet tomorrow.

For those wondering these are the main religions of the town:

Desna, Abadar, Sarenrae, Shelyn, Gozreh, and Erastil

You can be of any relgion, obviously, but if you're looking for ties to the area those are the major religions.

The premise behind the opening is the town is throwing a party to celebrate the opening of their new cathedreal to Desna.

So Arialis could have TWO reason for being here then. LOL! The Temple to Desna, which elves revere, and her brother.

In reply to Tristen d'Cordain (msg # 24):

Suppose that I can go with Abadar as well :)

So Talitha could have been protecting a caravan bringing some goods and other items for the cathedral and the opening party. She got in town and finished her job. She has no ties to any other job and is just enjoying the festivity.

What gods would the Shoanti follow?

Kaddock will definitely be in town having escorted a drive of horses or cattle into the town.

Shoanti typically worship Desna, Gorum, Gozreh, and Pharasma.

Desna follower here for sure! ;)

I'm think Talitha is good to go!

It's good to see several description of many of you. Please add some details so that we know a bit more than a simple picture.

Mine is done. Let me know if I left something out ;)

Desna for me!

Desna for Ari too.

Abadar, Abadar... come on, join me on the Abadar train!
:)

Abadar? *scoffs* Merely a god at all...

;)

Oh snap!

;)

Cayden Cailean sounds a better option actually. Anyone considered it?

Love that guy! I mean god! It is almost an option for Faeli but her illusion magic and beliefs tie her more closely with Desna, dreams and travel.

Putting the opening thread out there. It is up to you if you met one another on the road or even had a prior relationship but otherwise I can use the carnival games to get everyone introduced to one another.

Slammed with a 24 hour deadline.
~smiles~

Language groups are set so you can use those from now on. I am going to put out a bunch of active threads at the same time so that you can participate in the carnival games and overall atmosphere without one thread going crazy with people in different locations.

Don't worry about timing, everything is happening within a few minutes of one another so just enjoy the games, have fun talking with PCs and NPCs and don't worry if things get a little jumbled or out of order. Between the festivities and the alcohol it is perfectly normal to get a little mixed up :D

I know I spun this up and was busy tomorrow and missed it but while I appreciate player initiative be cautious about just transitioning from one place to another.

It's fine to say "I head for the tavern" but if you go farther and say "I go to the tavern, I get table and drink some ale" that might butt against the encounters that I have written.

I don't want to retcon things because I absolutely hate undoing anything players have written but just take that as a bit of a caution next time. I really do like players to engage with the setting though so just check in before you run with something. Most often I'll give you free reign but it's good to check first.

Alright all the threads are active. To recap

Welcome to Sandpoint is where everyone entered town and you can talk to Vorn, the guardsmen, as he greets people to the festival.

The Rusty Dragon is the tavern thread to hear rumors and get food & drink

The Old Light is a carnival game thread for archery and siege weaponry

The Market Square is a general catch-all for shopping, chatting, as well as competing in "dragon races" or getting a Harrowing.

An Elf and a Half-orc have a child....and out comes a Gnome. Wait...that's not right. :)

Luckiest half-orc in Sandpoint! ;) haha

I see people putting markers to say where they are moving to. That is fine if you want to have a more linear game but when I created the multiple threads I was envisioning that everyone was in all the threads at the same time. Standpoint is hardly that big so it is only a couple minutes walk between the locations and given I usually only do one update a day it will be much faster if I am advancing three threads at the same time.

It is ultimately up to you how many threads you want to be active in at the same time though. My goal with this is for you to engage with as many NPCs, activities, and have as many shared experiences with one another as you can.

Grab a group and you can all gamble on the lizard races. Have an impromptu archery tournament within the group. Use magic or thievery to delight small children. Have fun!

That being said I don’t want this to run forever so at a maximum I’ll be advancing the storyline a week from now. If nobody is really interested in NPCs or carnival games I can advance things sooner.

Ahh, I see what you're doing. I thought you were going for the one thread at a time deal and we switch between them. lol  I assume that's what the other's were thinking too. lol

Nope, everyone is in every thread at the same time :)

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 51):

Everyone is in the same thread at the same time.
So you're saying that Tristen can be in all three threads at the same time?

Yes. Everyone is in every thread at the same time. It is up to you how active you want to be but yes, you can be playing carnival games in two different threads and drinking at the inn. There is no "movement" between threads.

Everyone. Is in every thread. At the same time.

I want you guys to be able to rapidly experience the town and the festival without spending months and months slowly going from game to game.

Ok. SO Tristen has not left the tavern :)

Ahhh... a nonlinear approach to things will make it a LOT more fun.

And yes, I guess we can be in the tavern still as well.

I think noone got the multi thread approach :)

Just do it. Then people will catch on.

I should get back into things tomorrow.

I feel like everyone's had their fun and gotten a chance to interact. I'll let things go today for one last chance but otherwise we're going to kick things off properly tomorrow.

Cool.

=)

Good plan!

Sweet! XD

I agree!

Things stayed hectic but I'm back now.  I had to go out of town unexpectedly which was a bit of an adventure through deserted airports...
This message was last edited by the player at 01:05, Sun 25 Oct 2020.

I have uploaded a map to Group 0. Group 0 is typically where tactical combat maps will be. Main Group will stay with Sandpoint for the near future and Group 1 is a overview of the region.

When looking at the map I'd like to point out a few things:

1) There is a grid, please use it when describing movements and attacks (e.g. I move to A6 or I attack the goblin at C13).

2) Blue = PCs, Green = Allies, Gray = Non-combatants, Red = Enemies. That format typically follows. I'm thinking about Purple to highlight Big Bad Evil Guys

3) Please please please explicitly state how you are using your three actions each turn. As mentioned in the IMPORTANT INFO thread just at the bottom of your post do something like:


A1:
A2:
A3:


Really really helps me take the guess work out of posts. Less guess work means we don't have to pause for rework or clarifications and the easier you make it for me to post updates, the faster I can make those updates and the faster the game moves along. In my other 2e game we're doing about a chapter a month which has been fantastic.

4) For combat in general I am eliminating initiative. I'm borrowing rules from 5e which basically says I will determine who goes first and then that side will go as a block. You will perform actions in the turn order that you post so you can assume what happens above your post has happened by the time it is "your turn."

That being said I'm using a complicated weighting factor to determine which side goes first so bumps to initiative via feats and abilities will still be factored in. In some ways they aren't as impactful because your values are being averaged in to the rest of the party however in other ways they are MORE important because if you can tip the balance then your whole party moves first, not just you.

5) For this combat I normally post a tracker for each enemy so you can see who is wounded but with so many goblins in play that isn't really feasible. I'll track any special ones but the rank and file are just going to be around. Instead I'll post up health bars if goblins get wounded so you can still focus fire and pick off the injured if you so desire.

6) Goblins have the surprise round so while you can "react" to the chaos and commotion you won't be able to take combat actions yet until my first official combat post.

7) To explain the map, 9 goblins in 3 groups of 3 have emerged from various hiding places, typically off of rooftops, out of alley ways, out scrambling out from under carts and supply piles. You're in a large group of civilians, ~50-60. To the north east is a small group of musicians, to the east is the stage where all the speakers were speaking, and to the south is the big banquet tables along with a few helpers who are setting things up.

I think that just about covers everything. Let me know if you have any questions.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:01, Sun 25 Oct 2020.

Fantastic, I will that to get used to the three action dynamic but these all seem to be clear cut rules. Thanks!

Understood! Please don't hesitate to remind us if needed
:)

The answer is none of them. It's the surprise round.

For next round each interaction is an action. So drawing your turn would look something like this:

A1: Draw sword
A2: Draw shield
A3: <something>

Added some of my speech to my post.

Thanks for the clarification boss!

Wow, starting with great rolls... Lol

One question, as I can't find it right now: 2ed also adds x1.5 str modifier when using two handed weapons?

No. 2E modifies the damage die itself. For example a bastard sword does 1d8 one handed and 1d12 two-handed.

Ok, then there is a typo in the post, damage is 2 lower, although I don't think I hit.

Well you're definitely not rolling a d20 for damage, lol

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 74):

Aaaww comeon, you never let us have any fun!
lol
;)

I had to check what you said... Instead of 1d12 rolled 1d20, and still managed to roll a 1!! Great. I'm not even good for cheating, lol.
I doubt I hit the goblin, but let me know if I do what do you want to do.

Not sure how my 'prey' ability works.  Can I declare the goblins to be my 'prey'?  It helps a bit with some of my attacks later.

@Kaddock: Happy to help!

Looking at the information here

It appears what happens is that for 1 action you mark a specific target (not a race). So you can mark a specific goblin as your prey but not "goblins in general"

Thanks Boss!

I fixed my post to use my second action to designate a prey and only fire once.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:35, Wed 28 Oct 2020.

I'm moving the dead to the lower left so you can track the progress of the fight.

WTF did Faeli almost do as much damage with a telekinetic plate as Razyll did with his scimitar?

I feel so emasculated...

;P

I just realised I should had run in the opposite direction to help Ari :/

Oh no!

In reply to Razyll (msg # 81):

I think we all have a hero point.

Spend 1 Hero Point to reroll a check. You must use the second result. This is a fortune effect (which means you can’t use more than 1 Hero Point on a check).

Its not much but it can help fight the villainous die roller.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:55, Wed 28 Oct 2020.

Yeah, I think I will this time. Prague I'm going to.

Tried to something a bit more complicated this time. Let me know if the game mechanics are correct. I went with 2 attacks this time :)

The mechanics on your rolls look good to me. :)

Who is this "prague"? I AM THE LORD OF LIES!!! THE FATHER OF FICTION!! THE TELLER OF TALES!!!!

Well according to the main menu it says your 'other name' is praguepride. So I know your real name demon. ;) LOL!

Yay the Wizard is tanking. Nothing bad could come from that...right? lol
:)

LOL! I know, right?

If you can't roll with the big dawgs stay on the porch! Oh and also Faeli *HATES* goblins. In her backstory, she was almost killed by a group of 'em.

She is going to turn all Galadriel on their arses.

This message was deleted by the player at 19:07, Thu 29 Oct 2020.

Do you guys see the updated map? I still see the one from the previous round. I assume I'll attack the goblins in the crowd, protecting them, but I can't know for sure...

Yes we do. Hit I believe it is F5 and that should force it to update for you.

Replying from my phone, but I'll restart to see it that works :)

Question

Can I do the following?
A1: Move max (30')
A2: Move max (30')
A3: Move max (30')

Good question!  I don't see why not, but that seems to make you quite the speedy b@stard! hahah XD

You would be taking three separate Stride actions, so yes, but that would be your turn.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 100):

Well it turned out that I didn't need all three actions to get where I wanted. But it was a good question of mechanics. Still learning this new system. But it seems that with 3 actions, it gives me the flexibility and space to do what I would want to do.

Oh, I think I should add something for a REACTION if it becomes necessary.

Will it seems my map doesn't want to update, so I can't see the map... Don't know why :'(

Glad to help Tristen! :)

Try hitting Control+F5 with the map up Talitha, that should refresh it. :)
This message was last edited by the player at 21:38, Thu 29 Oct 2020.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 103):

Yeah that clears the "cache" your computer is looking at old info. That happens sometimes with the map thread because just pieces of the image has changed.

I managed to make it work! I'll post now!

In reply to Talitha (msg # 105):
Victory!

In reply to Faeli Blackbriar (msg # 106):

I just had to install another browser... T_T

In reply to Talitha (msg # 107):

Yikes!

Oh wow.

Ok. I tried to use some new rules/abilities.
Did I use the actions and the reaction for retributive strike correctly?
I suppose the retributive strike was applied in the previous round but not sure how I would attack in the previous round... should I have reserved an action in the previous round for the possible reaction?

How does this work???

So this is where things get a bit tricky.

A reaction would in essence happen the moment the triggering event happens. So Retributive Strike would give the one you are protecting DR3 against that 1 attack, AND allow you 1 free attack against that 1 attacker as long as they are within 15'. So you would still have this attack to do.

THEN, you take you normal 3 actions.

At least that is how I would do such reactions as that one since like Raise Shield it's not really one you can do as a contingency.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:04, Sat 31 Oct 2020.

Yeah. I thought it would be tricky.
I'll let the GM unravel this... I really wanted to protect the militia man :)

I'm writing a novel!

As part of NaNoWriMo I'm writing a novel based in a setting I'm developing. For those not familiar NaNoWriMo is a yearly contest where you try and write a novel (50,000 words) in 30 days. I've done it several times and it is a blast!

I have never shared my work out before so this is a big step for me. I would greatly appreciate any and all critiques or feedback but ultimately my purpose is to write a novel I would enjoy reading and therefore would like sharing it with the people I play with.

I will also be slowly developing the World Anvil page for this setting here and my hope is along with "publishing" this book free online but also to go back and hyperlink it so it is easy to learn more about concepts/locations/characters without constant exposition dumps.

Adding hyperlinks in the middle of narration is something I'm seeing more and more of in video game RPG design and a side goal is to try and do it with a full length novel.

Sounds great!!
If you want to add hyperlinks I've seen that I'm ebooks as well, as usually it's where they fit better.
Little advice for hyperlinks in books, if you allow me... Content on the extended into in the hyperlink should be concise and in a simplified format. First because you never know the device used for reading it (pc, phone, kindle...) and also because you want people to get lost in the web/wiki and your objective is for them to keep the focus in the book.
Sorry for the untequested advice, I apologise if I was it of place!

I'll have a look at the text later this week, I hope I'll have more time :)

Hey Talitha. That space appears to be occupied by a goblin

Question on mechanics.

I think my IC post is correct.

Basically in my 3rd action, I needed to Raise the Shield. This gives me the AC bonus from the shield. And the Reaction Shield Block is available for me to use if I do get attacked.

Hope I got this right.
With the raised shield I gain the benefit of the AC bonus and by using the Reaction, I can reduce the damage upon a hit and apply it to the shield (and you'll need to check hardness and remember the damage that the shield takes for the future).

This all sound correct?

---

Record keeping on rpol should be fine.
But on tabletop, I would imagine record keeping to be difficult.
Anyone have experience with PF2 at tabletop?

Again map not updating... Now I see it. I'll re do the post.

I don't think the dice roller wants me to do much in this combat...

DM, I'm not sure I understand what you did with the burning hands calculation and the shield. Can you explain it? :)

Also, if I raise my shield I get additional AC, and I reduce the damage taken if hit by the hardness. But the remaining damage is for both me and the shield, not split between us, right?

So I got hit, damage is 7.
Shield hardness is 5. So 7-5=2

Then me and the shield take 2 damage each. Right? I think I did the maths wrong the previous turn.
I'm still learning the 2e mechanics...

Gobos and Dogo? This is pure nightmare fuel for Faeli.

Hahah

I love the 2e ruleset but I will admit that there is a steep learning curve.

You are correct with how physical damage works. Damage - Hardness, anything that is leftover is applied to BOTH (not split) you and the shield.

HOWEVER

Under item destruction it specifies that most items are resistant to most energy types. It is up to GM's discretion but otherwise if you use your shield to block fire or electricity etc. then the equation goes as follows:

(Damage / 2) - Hardness. So in this case (7 burning hands / 2) = 2 damage - 5 hardness = 0 damage.

Now I will be modifying that based on energy types. For example perhaps steel does not resist acid very well or wood doesn't resist fire but that isn't something I have set in stone yet. I think it will highly depend on the spell and circumstances.

I'll calculate XP etc. in a minute but let's just tally up the final kills, shall we:

17 Goblin Warriors
4 Goblin Pyros
1 Goblin Commando
1 Goblin Dog
1 Goblin Warchanter.

Well done everyone, well done.

Good, now makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
So for elemental damage with shield I might consider half of it depending on the material and type of damage (using a little bit of common sense).
So I'll ask when this DMG/2 rule applies for what damage next time, thanks!

Quick thing on my HP. Then with the current situation I would have:
19 - 14 (7 #1burn.H. + 7 phys. damage) +10 (healing Razyll) - 2 (phys. damage with shield) = 13.

Not sure where I lost the other 4 HP. Is it again something I missed on the rules? :)

You got horsechopper'd a couple of times by the goblin rider. I think that is where it came from.

A shield becomes really, really useful in this ruleset.   I had no idea!

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 121):

I'd love to be the bard who came up with all of our "goblin-slayer" honorifics

Great job team!

PAUSE!!!!

There is a lot of ambiguous stuff being thrown around in the IC and for clarity I want to make very certain what people are doing.


Medicine
The DC for stabilizing is a minimum of 16 but probably higher depending on how long they've been dying. If you critically fail (get an 8 or less) then you WILL increase their dying value and probably kill them.

Right now Sheriff Hemlock is stable, he is not bleeding out but there are the two guards right next to you that are bleeding out.

If you would like to try and stabilize them then make your roll.

---

If you are trained in Medicine you can attempt to heal wounds. It is a DC 15 check to restore 1d8 HP. The actual amount healed doesn't matter just passing the medicine check is enough but again, this is a trained action only.

In addition if you critically fail (5 or less) you will inflict damage and cause them to start dying again. Given how long combat went anyone still alive is probably hovering at the brink so act accordingly.

That being said nobody would blame a bunch of adventurers standing back and letting the cleric and his acolytes take care of the wounded.

If you just want to be an extra set of hands grabbing bandages or acting as the muscle for the cleric and his staff then that is your generic "I help however I can" but there are also fifty townsfolk hiding in the church that can do that as well who didn't just fight off a score of goblins.

It is fine to want to help but decide that you're not really in the best physical space to be exerting yourself either. I want everyone to take a second and think deep and hard about how their character would react. Are they that much of a martyr that they would be bleeding out while trying to help save people with lesser injuries? Are they a bit more pragmatic thinking they've done their good deed for the day and just want to sit down for awhile? Are they paranoid that there might be another wave of attacks and ask the clerics to get them back into fighting shape as quickly as possible? Are they mercenaries looking to get a reward for shedding their blood to protect the mayor and the other heads of the town?

Just posting "I help out" is fine but glosses over what could be a definining moment of characterization so I just ask everyone to take a breath and really consider their next actions.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 126):

Being unharmed Razyll would want to help out in whatever way possible.

Faeli is concerned that there may be more goblins still in town. Is there a way to determine what their plan was? Like an intelligence insight like roll? Maybe the purpose was just chaos?

Talitha left the city and became a guard for convoys exactly for this, the thrill of adventure :)

I guess right now is filled with adrenaline and doesn't feel her injuries. She'll help out for a while and after everything is set in motion and the rush of adrenaline disappears she'll realise she's been closer to being one of the dead ones that what she'd like to admit. Then she'll take a sit and be very glad for any medical assistance.

Sorry I got bogged down with RL
Let me see what's going on. :)

Given the very real risk of killing someone with a botched attempt Kaddock will let the healers heal and instead look to defense.

There are other NPCs that you can interact with, namely Father Zantus, Cyrdak Drokkus, and Mayor Deverin.

That being said if people are ready to move on just drop a note here saying they want to more forward.

Faeli will ensure that Talitha and Arialis both have their wounds seen to by Father Zantus or his clerics.

Thanks! :)

Sweet!

I'll move things forward tomorrow so get any remaining requests or questions in before then.

Am I supposed to roll the 4d8 for the healing?

If the DM confirms the DC is 15 I think it is. If you do, please don't roll four ones ;)

15 seems fine to me. No reason I can think of it to make it particularly difficult.

In reply to Talitha (msg # 138):

rolled 21 using 4d8 with rolls of 8,7,4,2.  Healing

In reply to Tristen d'Cordain (msg # 140):

Great roll!

Everyone is at full HP

I realize I completely glossed over downtime actions. I will work to rectify.

https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=538

Wouldn't hurt to earn some income in those days. I could work in the forge for dinner days of that could make me afford another shield once this one breaks.

DM
Tristen tried to REFOCUS to regain his Focus Point in the previous thread. Did I do that incorrectly or has that not been updated in the combat/IC thread?

Oh yeah all abilities should be reset. Apologies if I missed that. It's been several days so all healing/focus etc. are at full.

How difficult would it be to fire into the crypt at the skeletons?  Almost impossible for Kaddock I would think...

Who said anything about skeletons? :)

In reply to Talitha (msg # 148):

The skeletons are shooting at us and the Zombies are the grabby ones.

I don't know how I missed the IC post. I thought that in game we were still looking for goblins.

BTW, going from 19 to 6 points before starting the combat is scaring... hahaha

In reply to Talitha (msg # 150):

I hope you do not miss the +4 Healing Razyll just did to you and Faeli in my post. And the +4 Damage to the zombies and skeletons if they fail their Fortitude saves.

;)
This message was last edited by the player at 11:59, Wed 25 Nov 2020.

In reply to Razyll (msg # 151):

Thanks for the heals Razzy!

:)

I'd call it soft cover so they would only have a +1 AC vs. shots fired.

In reply to Faeli Blackbriar (msg # 152):

Razzy? I would like to rage. lol
XD

In reply to Talitha (msg # 150):

IKR-deeply concerning but we have your back. The Heroes of Sandpoint are on the case!

In reply to Faeli Blackbriar (msg # 155):

I know you all guys have my back! :)

Actually it 12 healed. Even with the 3 action heal you still get the 8 extra points from the 2 action heal. The damage though is still only 4.

So do I heal 4 or 12 HP? If I'm fully healed I fear nothing :)

You heal 12. You roll the 1d8, plus you (in in this case everyone) gets the plus 8 from the 2 action version, and you give off the 30' burst.

Damage stays at 4 though.

The heal spell in 2e is amazing, and it only get's more so as you heighten it.

https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=148
This message was last edited by the player at 23:58, Wed 25 Nov 2020.

You are pretty much correct in how you are doing this. One thing though is reaction do not take up an action. They are an action that can take point at any point when there trigger occurs whether you have actions left or not.

So yup, looks like you did it right.

Thanks.

So this gives me an idea that I can take an Action to attack every turn and use the Reaction/Feat to get another attack every turn. And this is before I take the penalty for multiple attacks :)

No problem.

And yup. It's the same idea for Arialis' and Talitha's reaction abilities of Attack of Opportunity and Shield Block. As fighters, the first gives us a free reaction attack for anyone that leaves an adjacent squares, does a manipulate action in said square, uses a ranged weapon, casts a spell etc. The other lets us use our Shield to block an incoming attack and it'll take a good deal of the damage up to the hardness of the shield, with both the fighter and shield taking anything leftover.

Most classes have things like this.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 157):

I can not support that assertion and will leave this to a GM call. I checked reedit and the Pathfinder boards. Here is the wording of the Heal spell.

For the record, I would be HAPPY if that is how Heal is House Ruled for the game.



HEAL SPELL 1
HEALING NECROMANCY - POSITIVE
Traditions: Divine, primal
<b>Cast: 1 action to 3 actions
Range varies: Targets 1 willing living creature or 1 undead creature

You channel positive energy to heal the living or damage the undead. If the target is a willing living creature, you restore 1d8 Hit Points. If the target is undead, you deal
that amount of positive damage to it, and it gets a basic Fortitude save. The number of actions you spend when Casting this Spell determines its targets, range, area, and
other parameters.

[one-action] (somatic) The spell has a range of touch.

[two-actions] (somatic, verbal) The spell has a range of 30 feet. If you’re healing a living creature, increase the Hit Points restored by 8.

[three-actions](material, somatic, verbal) You disperse positive energy in a 30-foot emanation. This targets all living and undead creatures in the burst.

Heightened (+1) The amount of healing or damage increases by 1d8, and the extra healing for the 2-action version increases by 8.


The Heightened version of the spell mentions that the amount of healing or damage increases by 1d8 and specifically that the extra healing for the 2-action version increases by 8. Because of that wording I assume if the 30 foot emanation does not benefit from the additional 8 hit points, I suspect it would have been specifically included in the wording-however I leave this up to our fantastic GM.

I would be happier with the spell if the emanation did benefit from the additional +8 to healing but I think the ability to target all living and undead with this rush of energy is being taken into account for balance purposes by the Paizo team.

Just by two cents.

=)

Yay-I am displaying my confirmation bias here because I only looked for evidence which proves my point and not for possible evidence to disprove it. =) From the Paizo board.
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs4...bout-Heal-and-Harm#1
This message was last edited by the player at 12:01, Thu 26 Nov 2020.

It was too good to be true :)

It's how he's did it in his other game.

Not to mention there is also this explanation on Reddit. And it's how Lisa Stevens said it should worked.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathf...on_about_heal_spell/

That being said, I'll admit it's not worded the greatest. It should be stated that you get the abilities of the previous action variant. But when I had spoken to the creators she said that was the intent. Of course with all things, intentions can change.

Heck, as you can see even the interpretations are inconsistent on both reddit and the Paizo forums.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:58, Thu 26 Nov 2020.

I would love for Heal to work that way but would insist that Harm NOT work that way.

;)

Let's the DM decide here how to behave in the game. Once clarified we can rule that is how it works for the whole campaign.

I'm fine with that. Just saying how he has it working in his other game. Doubt he'd break consistency between games. lol Doesn't seem his style.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 166):

Totally understandable to enforce consistency from one game to another (just for GM sanity). I assumed here that you were referencing to a Pathfinder 2e creator.

In reply to Razyll (msg # 170):

I was doing both. :) Referencing prague's other game Age of Ashes, as well as the owner of Paizo, Lisa Steven's.

FYI I will be celebrating the US holidays this week so I don't intend to update for the rest of the week. I may pop on before then but don't expect real updates until Monday!

Happy holidays and enjoy the real world as best as you can!

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 172):

Happy Holidays everyone!

In reply to Faeli Blackbriar (msg # 173):

Happy Thanksgiving!

Game on!

Regarding Reactions
Reactions are going to be tricky to do as they are better for live play to "interrupt" turns. We should have a discussion on how they will be handled now for smoother gameplay. Once an agreement is reached I'll add these to the Important Info thread so everyone now and in the future is aware.

First of all some RAW items to note:

• You may or may not be able to take reactions before your 1st turn at my discretion
• You get 1 reaction per round.

I propose that if you only have a single reaction and there isn't an obvious downside to it, by default I will automatically trigger your reactions. The reasoning is that by default it probably isn't worthwhile to save reactions in case they don't get triggered anymore.

For example: Shield Block.

The first time you are hit, I will activate your shield block as you won't know damage until after you've declared the block or not.

So what happens if you have multiple reactions, like Shield Block and Retributive Strike? During your turn you can let me know that you want to save your reaction for one or the other, but otherwise I'll use whatever one is triggered first.

I believe that this will work for 90% of encounters however there are times when you will want to save a reaction for a specific trigger. For example, you're squaring off against the big beefy boss and definitely want to shield block his attack OR there is a wounded comrade you want to specifically shield.

In those cases specify in your turn: "Save shield block for boss" or "Retributive Strike for Sir Example" and as the turn progresses I will make sure to save it. However if the boss misses and another guy hits you, I'll still use your shield block, or if your ally is no longer threatened but you are hit I'll use your shield block as appropriate.

Does that sound agreeable and fair? The other solution would be to retcon. Wait until the entire turn plays out and then go back and decide when and where to use your reactions but this seems very gamey to me and will increase my book keeping a lot by having to then go back and update numbers to account for damage resistances etc.

Any other ideas would be great to hear as well!

I could almost feel the aftertaste when I read it. :)

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 176):

BTW, it seems fine to me how to work with reactions. Anyway I don't know how many reactions action types Talitha will have, so it will be easy for her.

Are AoO reactions as well?

Correct AoO's are reactions now. So you can either trigger an AoO or a Shield Block, for example. You don't have to specify which before hand though.

So you don't need to "set" a trigger before hand. It isn't like a readied action so you don't have to specify "I'm going to use my AoO trigger this turn."

Instead during normal play it would be more like

"This monster is going to move..."
"I use my Attack of Opportunity reaction!"
"Okay roll to hit/damage."

So that is why I'm saying if you just prioritize which reactions you want to prioritize I can use that information to "react" accordingly whether it be using the first thing that triggers immediately or holding out because you want to focus on attacking or defending.

I think it's ok. We can have priorities when having multiple reaction options and you'll follow them using your good judgment.

And I understand that if a giant ocre hits me with a great axe and crits and a squishy goblin triggers an AoO you'll pick the one that makes more sense using common sense to avoid ending inside a wooden box :)

Sounds good, I have to experiment with the Shield spell. Looks great but if used in a block it is dispelled for a minute or 10 minutes I believe. Helps when avoiding damage for sure!

Yeah the plan sounds good.
As a player I'll try to make a point of adding conditional statements because it will train me for when/if I get to a tabletop setting :)

All in all.
Based on my recent IC post. I think I really like the tactical feel of PF2 :)

In reply to Tristen d'Cordain (msg # 184):

Super cool!

Since I do not use shields, and I only have the AoO and Shield Block Reactions, I only have one reaction I can use. :) So yeah I'm fine with this. :)

I like the reactions plan!

I wanna be like Gnomey when I grow up.

I think Faeli is going to create a series of romance books featuring Gnomey.

:)

Gnomey the example gnome's purpose in life is to serve as an example to everyone :)

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 190):

He is sooo dreamy!

;)

He's quite the dueler!

"we should break off into smaller groups" 
Famous last words hahahaha

In reply to Talitha (msg # 193):

Thats exactly what I was thinking! lol XD

Smaller groups of 1?
:)

It feels like things are winding down. Let me know if anyone wants to do any shopping or anything else before we move onto the next scene.

Did we get any loot from the goblin attack?

I think we got some fancy scars to show off, that's all. :)

You didn't save the town out of the goodness of your heart? :D

Chances are if you go to a store and ask for some mundane equipment to continue saving the town you'd get a very good deal on it...

I could use a good blacksmith to repair the shield. And if I can eat and drink for free that's great too.

And I think Talitha saved the town so she can brag about it at the tavern :)

Just need to get some gold so that I can take up the generosity of the town folks. A discount?!? I'm there!

I've got 2 sp so I'll take the free food and lodging at least!

Faeli conjures a "Heroes Eat for Free" illusory sign to place outside of the Rusty Dragon.


;P

LOL!

I had a lap top meltdown and got knocked for a loop.  I'll be active again immediately.

Yeah they'll repair shields for the Heroes for free.

FYI taking the weekend off to recharge. It's been a hell of a year.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 207):

Relax and Happy New Year GM!

I'm back, updates to proceed normally again.

I'm back too. Need a vaca from the vaca, but work's been hectic to start :)

I been there before! lol

Shalelu stated that the goblins were working together in the raid. "Yet from what I've been able to piece together, members of all five tribes were involved in the raid."

Thanks!

@Tristen: Arialis has it correct. Shalelu and Hemlock have stated that the raid was a result of all the local tribes. They did not elaborate specifically on how they know or what kind of division they saw (i.e. they didn't say it was 10 from tribe A, 5 from tribe B, 3 from tribe C etc.).

Alright apologies that I didn't mention this before but all of you are currently mounted on horses. This will make some actions (like being stealthy) more difficult.

In general it won't impact too much if you aren't getting into melee combat with the thing. For those of you planning on engaging in h2h keep in mind you can make DC 11 Nature checks to give commands like making it move or attack.

Also keep in mind that in 2e horses are not nearly as tanky in 2e as they were in 1e. They have AC 16 and only 22 HP.

Mounting or dismounting takes an action. If your horse gets knocked over or dies under you it will trap you requiring two actions to escape (one to get your foot out of the stirrup and another to wiggle/push/pull your leg out.

Ah... thanks for the clarification on mounts and such.

Does fighting mounting a horse give you any advantage? otherwise I think Talitha will just dismount and wait for the creature standing up with her shield raised up.

I am still new to mounted combat rules but from what I can tell it doesn't really matter unless you have a jousting weapon.

That's Ari's plan. Since she has both Acrobatics and Athletics, she's just gonna monkey flip off the horse and stab the beastie with a double slice. :)

Just as an FYI, I tend to shy away from "waste of time" combat encounters. I'll pepper them into larger dungeons and encounters but if you're going to have one encounter for the day, I'm going to make it worth running.

I don't know how many of you have played with me before but be warned I do not pull punches and higher level enemies are particularly deadly in Pathfinder 2e because of the crit threshold. For example the boar can crit Tristen on an 11 for 4d8+12 damage.

I say this now because I know some people like to play conservatively and hold back on potions and abilities "just in case" they need them later and get blindsided when I throw a challenging encounter at them right off the bat.

Not every adventuring day is going to be 5 encounters of increasing difficulty. Sometimes I will put 5 encounters worth of difficulty into one encounter and blast you in the face with it and call it a day :D

edit: map is uploaded.
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<3 Post count was 666 had to post to change that. :)

Yea... that boar is going to hurt!

If you haven't played 2e before, especially coming from 1e, then I will remind you about the crit rule (if you exceed target by +10 then it is upgraded to a crit). This was a big surprise to me because at first you look at your level 1 HP and it is x2-x3 what you would have in 1e and the weapon damage is mostly the same however there is now the ability to attack up to 3 times a turn as well as the crit rule.

In another game of mine the party engaged a melee monster while 3 of its buddies tossed rocks behind it and they DEVESTATED the party because by focusing fire they could attack up to 8 times a round and just by law of numbers they were critting once a turn.

In 2e higher CR monsters are MUCH deadlier because they can hit those crits more reliably which doubles their damage output and can quickly overwhelm players. Therefore it is important to not just look at what kind of dice they're throwing at damage but also really comparing their "to-hit" versus your AC because a low AC character is going to get ravaged with critical hits very quickly.

Anyway enough chatter. Now begins the killing, followed by a light salad.

If the boar crits, it will kill any party member in here... 14+ will kill Talitha. That is a very high chance!
Btw, crits are only on 10+ difference on AC? Or 20 is also crit?

What's after the light salad?

Well not kill per say, you will go down and thus the duty of the cleric is never done.

@Talitha:

How it works is if you succeed by 10 or more, it is upgraded to a crit.

If you roll a natural 20 whatever your result gets upgraded once. A critical failure becomes a failure, a failure becomes a success and a success becomes a crit.

Same thing with a natural 1, it downgrades your result one step. It does mean in extreme scenarios you could still whiff on a natural 20 or hit on a natural 1.

@Razyll: He is correct, there is no longer any instant death. Like in 5e it no longer tracks your negative HP but instead you get put on a clock before death no matter how hard you're hit. That being said if you play yo-yo (being healed, dropping to 0, being healed, dropped to 0 etc.) your clock gets shorter and shorter every time.

Going down is really bad but low levels aren't nearly as lethal as they were in 1e where an orc with a greataxe could instal-kill off a crit in your very first combat.

21:41, Today: Kaddock Ingir rolled 9 using 1d20+4 with rolls of 5.  Nature.

So if I nerf the nature roll I lose the round controlling the horse or just fall off?  It makes mounted combat more dangerous for those mounted than those you are attacking :)

Just asking so I can post my results appropriately.  If nothing else hopefully I can use an action to focus on the boar as prey

https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx?ID=58

It costs one action, so the idea is that instead of you moving using a Stride action, you use the Command Animal action to make it Stride instead. If you fail the roll then nothing happens. If you critical fail then something bad happens. Horses might buck, dogs might turn around and bite or run away etc.

If you fail you just lose the action.

That's good that there will be less falling off :)

If I want to attack then I need to make a nature roll as well, correct?  What does it take to dismount?  That sounds more effective than potentially losing attacks due to missing Nature rolls.

I'm not trying to whine :)

Would Ari be able to use her double slice while mounted?

@Kaddock: Your character can do anything they want, no roll. Rolls only come into play if you want your mount to do something. So if you want to move while mounted, that isn't you moving, that is your horse moving. If you want to attack with your bow? No problem. If you want to spur your mount into rearing up and attacking with its hooves, that is a roll.

@Ari: I don't see why not. I'd rule that the awkwardness of trying to use both hands is offset by the added leverage of higher ground. Call it a wash, no bonuses or penalties.

Sounds good! Post incoming in a few then! :)

Question about this. Do we get any advantages for being in higher ground?

I still don't understand the advantage in PF2e for mounted combat Vs combat on foot, if there's any...

Ahhh... thanks for the clarification boss!  I'll still dismount I think but use the extra action to choose a Prey rather than do the nature roll if that is ok.

I am new to the system so I might be missing something but in terms of mounted combat there are several advantages:

1. Jousting Weapons get extra damage and can be wielded one-handed without penalty
   
2. Movement. Most mounted animals have greater move speeds allowing you to move farther.
   
3. Target selection. When fighting non-tactical enemies they might split their attacks between you and your mount.
   
4. Minions are designed to be commanded. Some, like a Ranger/Druid's animal companion get 2 actions instead of 1 when commanded allowing you to do things like move 80ft as a single action if you're riding your animal companion.
   
5. Slight Flexibility On attacks - you occupy every square your mount does allowing you more square targets for sweeps or things like burning hands.
   
6. Slight defense bump - You get +1 AC from lesser cover due to being mounted but also suffer a -2 to reflex saves so /meh.

All in all unless you are doing specific builds or circumstances it is pretty neutral. I don't mind it as it makes the game overall easier to use instead of hauling out a bunch of new rules that 90% of games will never use whenever someone decided to play a cavalier or mounted ranger.

I might go mounted ranger later but it seems like a specialization that might not play out in the game very often.

There are definitely out door segments but there are a lot of dungeon crawlers as well so /shrug.

Map is updated.

Quick survey. Do you guys want to have a nice RP session to chit chat or are you all ready to kick off the next chapter of the book?

I don't want to rush things but I don't want to make you bored (ha!) waiting for the next thing to happen.

I think once the rich man pays for saving his ass both Talitha and myself are ready to move to the next chapter. :)

Little of column A, little of column B, with some C tossed in on the side? lol

I'm fine with moving on.

I am fine with moving forward as well. =)

Sounds great!

Forward is good.

I like the way the Bored thread ended with the embellishment and then the party.

In reply to Kaddock Ingir (msg # 247):

Loved that-great touch. I am really getting a feel for these characters as actual people.

That's the hope and dream of all of this :D

I am sitting back and waiting for group consensus.

Unless...you would like to... SPLIT THE PARTY!!!

<dun dun daaaaah>

<cue the music>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waa2ucfgVgQ

Split! Split! Split!
Never anything bad happened for splitting the party :)

Split... nah... not us!  :)

Super cute video, wait...is that your way of telling me to stay in the middle of the party? NO ONE PUTS FAELI IN THE CORNER!!

*Color Spray*


Hahah

;P

Sweet Jesus....

XD

I've uploaded a map for the glassworks. Note that this map is twice as big as it actually is in reality but I like the idea of doubling the size of indoor spaces so it isn't constantly weird crowded corridors.

5' personal space is fine and dandy for easy of calculations but in all practicality how oftne do you walk through a hallway with 5' personal space on all sides?

I might do this in the future for all interiors where each square represents 2.5' but also halving movement (you can't get to a full sprint in a tiny room) so everything feels bigger without having every building be gigantic in proportions.

Talitha Ari does have a grappling hook.

Then your grappling hook is much better option than a stick :)

FYI rules for grappling hooks here:

https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=23

So the one with the better attack should throw it and you roll for us?

In reply to Talitha (msg # 259):

Yup.

There are four doors to try to break into (A, B, C, D). Please specify the door and either make an athletics check to force it open or start swinging with a weapon which is a normal attack roll and damage.

Attacking is more reliable but noisier and more suspicious. The strength check is more difficult to succeed at and could cause you to become fatigued if you critically fail but won't attract as much attention, both inside and outside.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 261):

Would the Aid action influence the strength roll required to break in the door? Not that Fae would help of course be we have a lot of big beefy folks.

Yeah. I would say there is room to get two people on a lever. Probably just the two though unless you're looking at creating a battering ram. Then you could have the whole party help.

Trying out combat on the larger map but if it gets too weird I can adjust the grid to "normal" size. Treat each square as 5' for purposes of range and movement.

Is there a map up?

I see the map when we are all outside the building and the inside is black. I though it was my phone, but I tried from the computer in two different browsers and I see the same.

Apologies. Proper map has been uploaded.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 267):

Thank you-I hope all is well!

poke poke. Looking for some more combat actions before I can update.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 269):

So sorry, I am on it. I have been looking at this map like a darn rublex cube! Haha XD

I intentionally doubled the size of the map because I don't like how crowded interior fights get but as I said if this isn't working I can readjust things to their proper size.

I love a crowded map! Crowded maps are good for Burning Hands and Color Spray.

XD

Just kidding. Looks great, this is getting the strategy portion of my mind fired up!

No fireball, please ;p

Or lighting bolts. =)

But disintegrate would be awesome!

Enlarge person. That will be awesome. Critical hit with power attack on an enlarged person *looks at it with delight*

In reply to Talitha (msg # 276):

Love it.

I think I know what I am picking for my level spells...


XD

Sorry for the absence.   I've been under the weather a bit.

Let's split the party!! Weee!!

We did manage to kill off all the goblins in 1 round!
#splittheparty

Typical human hubris *hmph!*

https://youtu.be/waa2ucfgVgQ

What a fantastic vid! =)

Tristen wasn't picked?!?
:)

In reply to Tristen d'Cordain (msg # 285):

hahah XD

Can you guys see the updated map? I can only see the one where we're outside and all the inside is black.

I can see the updated map now.

I thought Door A, which is now F, was to check the left side of the building. But... that's ok. To the basement!

Yes, I thought we were cleaning the top floor before... But basement sounds good to me as well :)

Apologies. I think the confusion was because I've been re-ordering the letters as you open doors. I'll endeavor to keep the lettering the same to avoid confusion in the future.

No worries. Just waiting for enemies to pop up from anywhere right now :'D

Ground floor or basement I am sure there are plenty of bad guys!

What's the worse that could happen?

;)

Famous last words. :'D

Hahah Oh no!

LOL, stop jinxing us Faeli!

Anyway, sorry for not posting over the weekend, as well as erratically, guys the last couple weeks. We were hit with a heavy workload and my normal workweek of 4 days a week had 2 extra days added the last couple weeks. I volunteered one, and was mandated the other. All I wanted to do is just come home and sleep. LOL! Now things are back to normal with the new hires so I am back on my normal schedule. Yay me!

Aaaaw-you guys never let me have any fun.

*pouts*

Wait do we know the guy's name? Is this Ameiko's brother?

I will be sporadic this week.  We are headed to Zion and Bryce parts for some up front and personal with the great outdoors.

Back!

Welcome back!

Welcome to the jungle! er...or-just welcome back (that seems less fun).

One of us (Kaddock, Talitha, Tristen) should probably check Tsuto for weapons and such :)

In reply to Tristen d'Cordain (msg # 304):

I'll make a quick check.

Right now as it stands Razyll and Arialis are back at the glassworks, Faeli is apparently running back and will take a few minutes to get there which leaves just Talitha, Tristen, and Kaddock alone.

Even at full speed it would likely take ~10 turns for Faeli to make it back, get the others, and then another ~10 turns for them to come back. Given how fast combat tends to be in terms of rounds, that means that right now, the party would be split in half with an unknown threat coming at them as well as trying to keep their prisoner captured.

So with that understanding please verify and confirm whether you intend to stay and fight or try and run away to regroup.

I think it needs to be better understood which group the threats coming after. I assume the group with Tsuto? If so that means I should change my post a lot.

Didn't realize that we were about 10 turns to the room :)
So question for the gang.

Do we fight or run?
Talitha - if you fight, then I'll stay with you and hopefully others. But leaving you alone with be a death warrant :)

I thought we had cought Tsuko before getting into the tunnel as well... Not half way in it.
But we can't run with the guy. I don't think he'll cooperate. We can:
1- Run with Tsuko and how he won't sabotage the scape.
2- Kill him so we don't have to carry him while escaping.
3- Let him free, so he can join whatever is attacking us, but at least we can run.
4- Stay and fight. The tunnel in the map seemed quite narrow. That means that we can not be surrounded.

Option 2 is complementary with 1 and 4. Talitha is OK with options 1,2 and 4. :)

I vote for a regroup. Before she bolts, Faeli can use warped terrain to create 15 feet of difficult terrain to slow them down (not much) but by some.

Ok, what about Tsuto? I think Talitha will vote for feeding him steel so he won't move anymore.

If we sink to the level of villains what is the point? Its harder to be a hero but we are up to the challenge. It is too easy just to kill someone and to ask questions later.

If we're going to regroup. Then I think everyone needs to go back. So that would mean bringing Tsuto back with us. We can't execute him :) Tristen won't let that happen. We need to have him judged by the authorities first.

"To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty."
- Maximilien Robespierre

:P

But that's fine. We can try to retreat and let's see how far we make it.
If the creatures move 10 rounds at full speed (3 actions), if we can only move 2 actions because the guy is not collaborative let's hope whatever we heard it's more than 300 ft away.

Hopefully, if Faeli can manage it, a well placed Color Spray might help to gum up the works.

In reply to Razyll (msg # 315):

But I am SOoooOOoOOo squishy! ;P

I put up a "tunnel" map. It's a rough explanation of what I was talking about how you ran for awhile, there were several twists and turns and you stopped Tsuto right outside what looked to be a "new" path that had been recently opened, same as the tunnel entrance in the glassworks that led to this tunnel originally.

Are we gathered back together?

yes

I'm the only one here that is not legal good?

Arialis is Chaotic Good. If I get the gist of your question.

Tristen is LG
What's the question?

It's just that I think that killing the bad guy that is plotting to destroy the city together with a succubus and a horde of goblins would fit a CG or NG alignment. Carrying him just to bring him to justice at risk of him scaping or ambushing us seems to me a legal behaviour.
Makes sense for a LG to do so, but for other alignments I think it wouldn't.
So an ethical question in here, and how to make it vs the alignment grid in pf2 :)

That's why Arialis made her threat. It would be an evil act for her to kill him outright in her mind, because it would take that honor away from the town and Ameiko since it he is the cause of so much of their grief. If he so much as twitches funny though, she is very serious about removing his head without hesitation. Well within the Chaotic Good alignment.

Ok, so it's not not killing him for you, but instead leaving that "honour" to the folks. Ok, I get it.
For Talitha is more of a practical thing. He's evil and didn't deserve to live from her perspective, and actually keeping him alive is putting at risk good people. So removing him from the equation is the sensible thing to do.

Exactly. Talitha, and everyone there, can tell Arialis wants to gut him where he stands just by her tone.

Kaddock is CG and would not be above a little rough justice.

Oh *hell* naw, what the heck is that!?

hahah XD
This message was last edited by the player at 20:34, Mon 03 May 2021.

Are we carrying Tsuto with us? I thought the plan was to tie him and look him in a room while we explore the area.

In reply to Talitha (msg # 329):

Well bringing him along works too.

Sorry I thought you were bringing him along. Let me know if you want to instead lock him in a room.

I think we can make both works. Whatever the others think will make more sense.

Make a decision quickly or I will make it for you...

Keep Tsuto since he is already here with us

Ari will make sure he comes along. She wants him to see his girlfriend die, but above all she wants him to hear just how little he is worth to the Succubis.

I want to do a Healing Channel so bad but I am afraid that they are just ugly and not undead...
lol

What the heck was that emotion draining attack? Yikes!

In reply to Razyll (msg # 336):

Razyll, I guess the healing is for either Trysten or Talitha, we are the ones wounded ;)

In reply to Talitha (msg # 337):

Hahah =)

No healing for you.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:51, Sat 08 May 2021.

Ohh...

:'(

Oops I meant Talitha, Arialis is immune to Raz's Battle Medicine for 24 hours because he has already healed her today.

Good! I'll roll now!

Can the GM determine what happened after I use my Hero Point?
I'm hoping that the SAVE is made and I can be useful in the fight :)
Need to suck all of the good energy into that dice roller for this one!!!

If you really want to, sure, make the roll. Consider that the -2 disarm penalty automatically goes away and you can take steps to reduce your sickened value. The only long term status effedcts are the drained/enfeebled but if you want to spend your hero point go for it.

My understanding was that my natural 1 gave me the conditions. Therefore, I will use the Hero Point for the saving throw.
rolled 15 using 1d20 with rolls of 15.  SAVE vs something which I don't know :)

That was sic. Two natural 20's with her Double Slice feat. That's just...insane! She was a pissed off little elf I guess. lol

For the purposes of leveling up all I need to know are the choices you are making, if any. I already know the automatic stuff like bumps to your saving throws or new class abilities given to you. What I do need to know are your feat choices, new spells etc. The stuff that isn't automatic.

Git dez hands!

Cleric Feat: Healing Hands (Roll 1d10 for magical healing instead of d8s)
Skill Feat: Assurance: Medicine (I think that places Razyll at an auto 14 just shy of the Treat Wounds threshold but that will improve as we level.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:02, Thu 13 May 2021.

In reply to Arialis Moonrider (msg # 345):

*applause* Well done!

Sorry I posted an ooc in the IC thread. Got excited and didn't know where I was posting!!! :)

Skill Feat: Quick ID: Identify Magic in 1 minute or less.
Wizard Feat: Counterspell

My feats for level 2 are:
Skill feat: Titan wrestler
Class feat: Reactive shield

So doing the following to Ari for level 2:

Adding Lunge Class Feat
Adding Recognize Spell Skill Feat

@Faeli: Counterspell is going to be annoying to use with the way I update. Therefore you will need to specify whether or not you are going to default counterspell or not and specify if that changes. I don't want to burn through your spell slots but I also can't grind the game to a halt every time an enemy casts a spell for your input either.

Long story short you should shoot me a PM about the kind of stuff you are looking to counter versus stuff you will let slide.

Also I need your next 3rd 1st level spell slot.

@Talitha: Noted. PM me if you are not planning to update your character sheet.

@Arialis: Noted.

@Tristen/Razyll: Waiting for your power ups.

@Kaddock: Giving him a poke. Its been a couple weeks without activity.

My power ups are in msg #347

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 353):

Faeli wants Grease but I am going to make her take Mage Armor. XD

***Update***

Those /are/ the two spells I will take for Level 2. Mage Armor being added to the preparation list.
=)
This message was last edited by the player at 03:52, Sat 15 May 2021.

I think my sheet is updated with the new level changes, including feats.

Ari picked him up, FYI. lol

Still learning PF2. Will start exploring my options :)

Kaddock helped :D

Need some help advancing to level for this Champion.
So I need to select feats
Champion feat
-Divine Grace, https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=218
This is simply a +2 bonus on all Saves?

Skill feat
-Fast recovery, https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=782
I've seen that bad conditions are really bad. So this feat will help offset this.

Thoughts?

I don't have a lot of experience in pf2e, but in pf1, +2 to ask saves would be considered a too good. I'm particularly scared of save throws in general, so if it was in my list I'll pick it.

The other one idk, not sure how things work with conditions here and how bad things can go how quickly...

Because you can "crit fail" saves the +2 is useful.

Fast Recovery may not be as useful as it really only applies to specific conditions. The double HP on resting might come into play during long dungeon crawls and this AP does have at least one a book.