After playing with the system for awhile I have to say that I absolutely love the new Pathfinder 2e system.

I know it isn't everyone's cup o' tea but I imagine as time goes on more and more players will convert.

I would be ver happy to convert this game over to 2nd edition but I know that isn't what everyone signed up for so IF we ever get unanimous consent we can begin the conversion process.

---

Because of how new 2e is and how classes are being continually released there is a blanket
rule allowing free rebuilds after switching to 2e.

It's a new system, there are a lot of gaps they need to cover and people are still learning what works and what doesn't. Whenever the party can rest in an inn you can do a complete rebuild so long as it is spiritually in line with the original character.

Otherwise if you want to do something radical we can talk about either a more extreme rebuild or rotating a character out and bringing in a new character.

---

Current Vote:

This message was last edited by the GM at 20:24, Thu 19 Nov 2020.

I would like to switch to PF2e. And this may entail a character change of a sort since I do not know if they have a cavalier, but I'm sure that we can come close to Kamea. Heck, my horse has been left in the barn/stable or all purposes :)

Let me think on that.  I'm crazy about that idea.  I'm in a 5e game and I was not planning on buy more PF books.

Bob

In reply to Tanu (msg # 3):

Tanu you can actually build a full character without buying any books. Everything published by Paizo is on the SRD as is much of the 3rd party content.

As to my character, the hard part for me might be finding a way to still keep her healing spell. There are ways to do it, I just have to think about if I want to go that route or not.

I’m down to switch over to 2E. I haven’t had a chance to try it yet, but it looks interesting!

I'm personally opposed. I would be willing to try it if every other player was into it, that's how I learned pathfinder originally. But offhand I'm not enthusiastic to learn 2e pathfinder unless the group is otherwise behind it.

So I guess No borderline abstain?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:44, Wed 18 Nov 2020.

The hardest part to do w/o books is building a character. I can assist with that and as mentioned everything is available on the Archives of Nethys: https://2e.aonprd.com/


The core rules are pretty similar. You've got your attributes, your d20 to-hit roll, your 3 saving throws.

The big difference is the 3-action economy. They scrapped all the different action types (move vs. standard vs. full) and instead you get 3 actions a turn. Want to move three times? Done. Want to attack three times? Done. Want to move-attack-move? Done. Some abilities that used to be akin to full-round actions, namely casting spells or power attacking, just take 2 actions to perform.

It simplifies combat and provides so much more flexibility because attacking takes standard multi-attack penalties: -5 on second and -10 for additional beyond that so while you typically want to get an attack off it doesn't always help to just stand and attack so there is a lot more secondary actions done in combat and a lot more decision to make.

Another big deal is how character builds work. They split feats up into a ton of categories:

Ancestor Feats (these are like your racial abilities)
Class Feats (these are the abilities that you "unlock" as you level up)
Skill Feats (do cool things with skills like hide better or pick locks quicker)
General Feats (misc. stuff).

So every level you're selecting from one of those categories. Every level means you get to make at least one real choice on the direction of your character.

The way multiclassing works is that when you get a class feat instead of taking the feats available to your current level you take a "dedication" feat that lets you yoink the abilities of another class. A rogue's trap disarming or a barbarian's rage or a wizard's cantrips etc. can be chosen to create a hybrid character.

I like it because while it grants you the abilities of other classes it doesn't bork your main class. If you're a fighter that wants to dip rogue you don't lose your BAB progression. If you're a wizard that wants to dip monk you don't lose your casting progression. You just don't gain the metamagic abilities like you would if you focused on your class.

All in all I really like it. The 3-action makes enemies a lot more interesting to run as well from my end and the math is so much cleaner than in Pathfinder or 3.X.



@Phelar: Pick Ancient Elf -> Cleric Dedication as a Wizard. That gives you access to Cleric cantrips. As an alternative if you go something like Battle Medic you can use Medicine to heal in battle.

Cleric Dedication

Field Medic background gives you Battle Medicine letting you heal 2d8 1 per person per battle.

So are we ready to dive right in?
My first character in PF2 was with our GM and all that I used was https://2e.aonprd.com/.

Just finished my first combat and I thought it was amazing :)

I'm willing to try, for conveniences sake I'll ask if there's an rpol sheet, should I use Mythweaver or what? Having a system sheet makes it easier to see what I'm missing for sure.

I’m not sure if other sheets are better, but this is one that has quite a bit of detail: https://character.pf2.tools/

Cleric Cantrips wouldn't help much, since as a 1st Edition Arcanist (White Mage) I had access to all cure spells as I leveled. Now, I could get around that Caveat a bit by going Sorceress and taking one of the bloodlines that give Divine or Primal as that gives the Heal spell. Then, problem solved.

To keep her bookworm quality I'll likely take Archeologist, or Spell Seeker as a background. The Dedication I will likely pick up for her is Archeologist. It fits her. https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=46

BTW Kamea, you asked about a Cavalier? Here you go. There is a dedication just for you. :) https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=53

Well then it sounds like there is interest in a conversion. This is also the perfect "mini-dungeon" to take new 2e characters for a test drive.


I am, of course, here to help. I'll work on getting 2e character sheets up and running.

In the meantime if you want to play around here is a good and simple character builder:

https://rpgworkshop.app/pf2/character-builder

I can't figure out how to export it but if you just write down what you selected where, that works. This looks like it just has the core book loaded so there are additional options available so when I'm reviewing your sheet I can let you know.

What I recommend is using this to figure out the overall character creation process and then go on the Archives of Nethys 2e to build out the actual character.

Here's a question that has some merit. Would we still be 2nd level? That would help in how I approach this rebuild too.

This is actually a good point. It might be better to jump to 2e when we level up to 3rd just for ease of timing.

Excellent point! By GM fiat you can start at 3rd level. I will go back and do some "back of the envelope" estimations on what your actual XP total should look like and if it is under 3rd level then so be it.

This is especially nice as it unlocks first access to prestige classes/mutliclassing.

Also if anyone wants I can take a stab at creating a 2e conversion of your character. This would not be set in stone but as a service it might be easier for people to make changes to an existing sheet rather than filling out every single option by themselves.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 16):

I figure I'll play with the Mythweavers sheet and send it to you to look over if that's okay?

I'm poking around https://2e.aonprd.com/ now.

I've already got a pretty good idea of the route I'm going to go with Phelar. Will likely take the approach I outlined above in order to keep most of her feel.

As a reminder when it comes to equipment, you start with 25gp that you can spend however you want.

I will afterwards be looking at your 1e equipment and granting you some extra stuff to bring you in line with wealth-by-level.

Why not just transfer our 1e gear over? Most should still transfer.

The economies of 1e and 2e are very different. I intend to try and keep things as similar as possible but I'm not promising a 1:1 conversion until I can look deeper into it.

Figuring some stuff out but the system is admittedly confusing, may need some more time. Sorry. It feels like pf2 was meant to line up with 5e dnd compared to 3x ala pf1.

Let me know if you need any help. I've built a lot of characters in the new system so can help you out. I'm sitting here on standby so reach out whenever you like!

So I dunno if anyone else can use this but I found Pathbuilder2e which is a google playstore char builder app and seems pretty solid and detailed. Helped me figure out things a bit better on my skills after I had errors pointed out!

Yes. Unfortunately for me it is only available through Android and not iOS but you can also get emulators for your computer to mimic an android OS.

I just use HeroLab online which works just as well on your mobile web browser as it does your PC's.

As a reminder, don't feel you need to purchase all of your 1e equipment. You have 25gp to spend so spend it how you want and then what you receive from the exchange will bring you up to your appropriate "wealth by level"

I'm hoping to finish the conversion tomorrow.

We'll book arrived today.  I'm so glad things are running smoother than they think the should.  ?  :^)

Sorry for the delays, holidays. I think Amara mainly needs me to finish picking out gear and transfer it into the rpol sheet (as well as have GM make sure I didn't fubar anything else)

Update: I think I'm done?

I'm working on the character, but much of what you suggested will remain.  I'm a little behind as there has been a lot of family stuff (although not as many people as normal) to do.

On lunch today, I started to look at a few of my normal videos and groups to read, when I came upon this from Taking20 (https://youtu.be/-fyninGp92g).  When I did some more searching, I did find a few others that said the same thing (and those that said it is too much like 5e, but I don't see that one).  For those who have been playing longer, what do you think?  This is my first time with it.  1e was fine with me, but I had not thought I would go to 2e and only did for here.