Come on in, kick your feet up, order a nice stiff drink and tell your tale.

For those of you waiting to join I will be gathering RTJs over the weekend and will try to make all my final selections by next Tuesday. Until then I might message you for additional clarification but ultimately I am looking for around 4-5 PCs to start with.

People are starting to be added. Feel free to discuss character options here. Some people like party compositions to be a happy surprise, others like to strategize and make sure every weakness is covered. I don't really care. Be as open and collaborative or closed and mysterious as you would like.

Just remember, smart decisions always trumps game mechanics. Some people freak out if you don't have coverage in every single spot and to that I say games like this thrive on creative problem solving. Using the barbarian as your trap finder is a classic example of thinking outside of the box :D

LOL.  Oh, he found another trap.  I'll bet that hurts.

N'za Glom (nickname Za) is a gnome sorcerer with Fire Dragon ancestry.  For lore skills, I have both Dragon Lore and Politics Lore.  She's a pretty little thing who thrives in a politics-filled deceit-laden atmosphere.  (So pretty much the opposite of me.)
This message was last edited by the player at 16:24, Mon 27 July 2020.

Hello all. Sularius is a hands-on archaeologist in the finest tradition of Indian Jones.

Hello! I will be playing the most dashing of swashbuckling knaves you'll ever meet. My fortitude and grace will only be matched by the greatness of my pirate accent when speaking. For I am playing Yarr the Hearty, goblin swashbuckler.

I tip the corner of my tricorne hat to you all as I lament the lack of good, non-WoW goblin portraits on this site.

Hah!  Just a couple of days ago I stumbled across this:  http://dialectblog.com/2011/05/24/pirate-accent/

Hello all.

Arnellia here is on sabbatical from Wizard Uni (probably permanently).  She got so drunk one night she woke up an ordained priest of Cayden Caliean (and as such, now serves as your Cleric).

Still getting a handle on her personality.  Think Twilight Sparkle meets Jack Sparrow (although how much of which, I'm still deciding).

Hail all,

Maerk is a very large human fighter, sword and board, rescued from a fizzled game. ;-)

Looking forward to playing with you all!

Yalandlara is an Elven Alchemist following the Chirurgan path of Alchemy, and by the looks of it, your party healer as a result! :) Which fits, since a Chirurgan Alchemist is basically a healer they just use the alchemy skill to do it instead of the medicine skill.

Like Maerk she's a rescue from a myriad of fizzled games. I brought her here because I'm in another of praguepride's games that seems to have a lot of life in it, and I have a lot of faith in him that this one will too! My beleaf, play with those you know are good, and so far I've enjoyed his other game immensely so that makes me feel I will this one too. :)

Looking forward to gaming and having fun with you all!

While you are getting your character sheets up and running I will be opening up the game's introduction.

The game is going to start in the morning before the Call for Heroes while you are likely getting ready for the day in the local tavern. Gives you a chance to size up your fellow competition (one another) and interact with the locals, do a bit of shopping etc.

So I would like to apologize now, but I have a feeling I'm going to have a skill overlap with the vast majority of you. Sularius is going to clock in at somewhere around 16-18 skills once all is said and done. Which makes sense for an elf that had been training to be a loremaster.

The way 2e is to be honest there will always be some skill overlap I've noticed. Not sure why they did that, but oh well.

I'm trying to figure out what I can spend money on.  I'm useless with weapons, I can't use armor, I don't need spell components.

I'm using PathBuilder to set up.  Is anyone else?  It is an android app, which is annoying, but it runs fine in Bluestacks, an Android emulator for the PC.  It is a hundred times better than anything I've found elsewhere.

It has a very convenient set of class-specific starting kits under gear, so I got the sorcerer's kit.  (...but immediately threw away the flint and steel.  What would someone use THAT for?)  I also bought a disguise kit, but then what?  Suggestions are welcome.  If any of you big, strong, fighter types who have to buy armor and expensive weapons want to borrow a few gold, I would give very reasonable rates.  :-)

In reply to N'za Glom (msg # 14):

I use HeroLab Online to build my characters. So easy and explains everything.

Heh, so the local inn the one Yala's parent's own and she sell's potions from? :)

BTW, I'll be taking the Local Scion background.

I find it to be a minorly cruel coincidence that I checked for the price of a rowboat (maybe to buy later to appease my pirate urges) and it was 15gp, the starting gold. So while I could start with a dinky boat (dinky dingy?) it would take all my starting gold.

Not that I was actually going to buy it in starting gear. I just think it's a cruel bit of Fate that it was exactly 15.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 17):

Don't feel bad. I can't afford everything I need as an alchemist AND a healer.

How much do you need?  I'm serious that there's little for me to buy (and I was kidding about rates).  My skills are thinky and talky skills, so no tools for those except the disguise kit.  I went ahead and got a sling and stones, but I do more damage with a Produce Flame cantrip and I'm more likely to hit with it.  I can't wear armor, and if I'm meleeing there's already a big problem.

@Yalandlara, I'm surprised I didn't discover HeroLab in my search.  They need better marketing.  I'll try it out.

Just as an FYI the group is not starting as an established party so no trading coins just yet. Save it for when you need it! It can help to be the party moneybags when a guard needs to be bribed or the party is shy a few coins on that healing wand

In reply to N'za Glom (msg # 19):

50 More silver for the healer's kit.

As for HLO, here's a link: https://herolab.online/

I know about HLO because I go to GENCON every year and have both HeroLab Classic and HeroLab online.

Herolab finally has a 2e module?

If any of us are undersupplied for whatever reason I'm sure when we party up any of us with spare money would be willing to at minimum lend money for something as party-aiding as a healing kit.

That aside, I will likely grab a riding dog and give it a name that sounds like a boat name. Any thoughts? I was thinking maybe "The Dripping Dodger". It just popped in my head and riding dogs are depicted as St Benards (infamous droolers).

She'll be a fine vessel.

Just kidding. I won't actually be playing Yarr as thinking the dog is a boat. My character is weird enough lol.

Ugh just did a price check and it would cost > $100 to get everything needed for PF2. I really like their products but they are about x2-x3 times the price point I want to pay for their material.

Yes, on the online version! hehe:)

AND you can setup campaigns in it for better tracking of characters, and so much more.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 24):

Thankfully most of their stuff hits their official SRD over at Archives of Nethys within a few weeks of release.

I'll be buying the PDF of the Advanced Players Guide later this week if you want info from that.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:25, Tue 28 July 2020.

I liked the offline version because I could usually use it as a cheaper alternative to buying a lot of the books. Especially the character option books that provide no content other than "here is a bunch of stuff for your character". So it was like $50 for a hardcore, $20 for a PDF or $5 for the hero lab extension.

PF2 is already so much better laid out I actually don't mind buying the PDFs because I don't want to punch my screen trying to navigate through them.

Yea it's not cheap, but I been buying it piecemeal since it came out too which is why I've not felt the strain.

With that in mind, if you are interested for purposes of the game I could upgrade my account to a Patron account, then all you would need is an apprentice account and invited into my 'campaign' to use all the HLO content I have. Which is everything.

But I leave that up to you all.

As a side note, Yala's done. Will have her in the character section in a bit.

Oh I agree. I even went so far to buy the Humble Bundle bundle that had everything in it on PDF plus the hardback for $30. I got tired of using my shiney special edition hardback. lol

I plan to get the rest on PDF when they come out too.

FYI trust the 2e character creation rules, not necessarily the character sheet. There are some areas with expanded room that might just apply to specific heritages or classes.

I am following character creation rules directly out of the 2e core book. No optional rules, no freebies.

Sounds good boss! That's how HLO works, so all should be well.

I have to say that I found PathBuilder to be a lot easier to use than HeroLab online (just trying out the free version).  There were several UI choices HLO made that I disagree with (and I am an expert in the subject -- just sayin').  For instance, my Ancestry Feat expects me to pick a Lore skill, but while it complained there that I hadn't completed the feat, it gave no hint that I actually had to pick it over in the skills section, and then it took me quite a while to figure out how to add a new Lore skill.  In PathBuilder, on the same issue, it directed me to the right place and adding a new Lore skill was extremely obvious.

(Just checking that I can still edit posts created under my old name, and whether or not it changes the name when I edit.)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:04, Tue 28 July 2020.

In reply to N'za Glom (msg # 32):

I beleave Yala is done and up. :)

I have Yarr mostly done, down to the non-combat gear. I'll pop him into the character sheet a bit later in the day (it being 2:00 AM where I am). I had work today (well, yesterday technically) and didn't quite get it all the way done.

Also must ponder where I want to sit. Kinda mildly tempted to pen a song and sing for those hecklers that want a dirty song.

Maybe a jaunty number about how a king put out a call for a knight to handle a dragon, and a knight appears claiming he handled the dragon making his life hell. The king initially is pleased but then the dragon attacks and the King, about to confront the knight for lying, notices the Queen gazing at the knight wistfully.

Maybe not. Maybe shouldn't be that bombastic right out of the gate.

Okay, I think my sheet is complete. First time making a 2e character, so hopefully I didn't miss anything.

If everyone could shoot me a PM saying their sheet is ready I can begin reviewing. I don't like tracking that via OOC just because messages get buried very easily.

As a reminder you are free to begin posting whether your sheet is up or not. It's just a bit of freeform RP while we get the game going.

FYI it is currently mid-morning. The call for heroes happens at noon.

The DM and I agreed that we both hated the name N'Za Glom.  (Actually, I prompted it with wanting a small change, and the DM pointed me to the Gnome Heritage section of the books where they talk about naming, so we arrived as something we're both happier with.)  I'm still exactly the same character -- we didn't get any player drop outs THIS early -- just the name is different.

She'll still have the nickname Za.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:02, Tue 28 July 2020.

Oh, well, rats.  OK, my post was last night?  (Or just the first part of it, entering the town.)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:17, Tue 28 July 2020.

That makes sense. Most people probably came in the night before anyway.

This message was deleted by the player at 20:24, Tue 28 July 2020.

For those of you with finished (or mostly finished) sheets, I've got language groups up. Let the spamming of chat begin!

Character Creation is coming along (new job + old job makes me a sleepy boi) but a question for your min-maxers out there.

Clerics have two modes in 2E--Warpriest (getting the stack of armor and weapon bonuses I'm used to in DnD 5E) and Cloistered Cleric (getting mad spellcasting skills...eventually) and even though I designed Arnellia as a "SPELLCASTER!" (she used to be wizard with some cleric stuff), I still can't justify ditching the armor in favor of Cailean's rather crappy domain spells.

So, does anyone have a good reason for me to take Cloistered Cleric rather than Warpriest?

In reply to Arnellia (msg # 44):

Wait, you're a cleric not a wizard?

I presented Arnellia as a Wizard with Cleric Multiclass, and he replied to me that he had a spellcaster for the party...but no healer, and so asked that I switch the two around (Cleric with Wizard Multiclass).  He just hasn't changed the character label yet.

So, there's a part of me that wants to keep on that Spellcaster theme, but another part of me that wants to survive a fight, and Armor at level 1 goes much further to solving that problem than Legendary Spellcasting at level 19 does.

In reply to Arnellia (msg # 46):

Ahhh! I got it now.

I mean we're not 100% without a healer, but you can never have to much healing in a party IMHO. Yala is a Chirurgeon Alchemist which uses alchemy to heal. We just do not have the divine healing.

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 47):

With that said, you could probably sacrifice some healing for armor or even wizard spells.

I was very impressed with how they changed alchemists in 2e and made them very potent healer's, or bomber's, or poisener's. Take your pick.

In reply to Arnellia (msg # 44):

Hmm, that's a puzzler. The only time I've built a cleric I went cloistered and Ancient Elf for Paladin Multiclass at level 1 so I was effectively both-ish. But that's not really on option for you since you want to multi into wizard.

To be fair though I don't think the domain spells are so bad that they negate the worth of getting spell proficiency increases 4 levels sooner. You might be able to get by since you'd have access to the Shield cantrip and there's like 5 other people in the game.

Though Hellknight Hill is apparently notoriously hard according to the people at my local game store. I dunno how much the big party will counteract that or if it's even true.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:59, Thu 30 July 2020.

Arnellia is DEFINITELY an Ancient Elf...free multiclass too good...

That said, it's the age old dilemma of power now vs power later.  I WANT to be a badass spellslinger eventually.  But right now, my level one self is about as sturdy as a twig...made worse by the MAD nature of the multiclass (I still have negative constitution for crying out loud).  So that armor is really really tempting.

And if this module is hard.  I'm pretty sure Armor Now, beats Expert Spells Soon-ish.

Yeah, Ancient Elf makes elf probably one of the strongest level ones in the game if not for the fragility. I still remember the days before Paizo sorta clarified that you couldn't just slap half-elf on whatever you were playing and then take Elf Atavism to grab Ancient Elf (since Ancient Elf reguires an elven lifespan according to Paizo).

I know my local group ruled before then that you could do that since a multiclass feat is kinda around the same power as the heritage benefit and feat you were expending to get just that, but you also had to be nearing middle age for your race. Despite the fact Ancient Elf (weirdly) doesn't have any starting age prerequisite.

I kinda agree with the official ruling though. Something as drastic as having a multiclass at level 1 shouldn't be something just anyone can have IMO. That should be special. Plus it (and lowering the starting age for elves in this edition) fixes that weird thing where elves have lived ages longer than the human they are traveling with but they pretty much know the same amount.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:19, Thu 30 July 2020.

Almost ready to kick things off. The APG drops for Yarr today and hopefully we can got the last couple of PCs signed off with shortly to get things started.

Yeah, the APG even went up right away on the official SRD if ya'll are interested https://2e.aonprd.com/Sources.aspx?ID=39

And earlier I had mentioned to the DM that I didn't think that much could change about Swashbuckler from the playtest so I'd just make my character and tweak it later. I was half right. They moved the feat I took to 2nd level, they took away Shield Block, and there's new styles, but pretty much all I had to tweak was a new Class feat and remove Shield Block.

So I lost some tankiness and have to wait a level to take the feat I was going to pick (which honestly I can see why they bumped it up one level), but pretty much everything is the same as it was.

That aside, tiefling's being a heritage you can slap on anything makes me want to play a fiend-blooded shoony (the pug person race) in a different, less serious game. Eventually pick up the option to sprout demon wings. Just be a flying devil pug-man, not sure what class I would run with.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:56, Thu 30 July 2020.

Ranger. Name him Cupid.

Okay, I've got to say I'm super excited about the Archaeologist archetype. I had no idea that would be in the APG.

If you want to swap let me know. It's still early enough that we can tweak characters for free. Shoot me a PM if anyone wants to incorporate APG stuff into their characters.

How close is Table F to the bar? And is it near the path between the bar and the front door or any connected door to the stables where my riding dog would be? I don't see a map of the tavern anywhere.

Yeah, I don't think I need to make any changes. I had been considering switching his racket to Eldritch Trickster, right up until I saw the Archaeologist archetype.

It's a shame I can't use the Ancient Elf heritage for Archaeologist, but I can wait until 2nd level.

There isn't a map to the tavern.

Table F is about as far from the bar as you can get and is not in line with any of the exits, it is tucked away in a corner. Then again you're here for the call to heroes and you do see a group of obvious adventurers sitting down and socializing. The existing adventurer types already either seem to be in groups or don't look to be very sociable.

No reason you can't swing by and say hi. The point of this is to assess your potential partners...or competition...

Well, main reason I was asking is that merc with the flaming kinfe is kind of being aggressive in tone and lighting his knife on fire while telling someone they should just leave.

If I were near that situation or would pass it on the way feeding my dog I'd have had an excuse to intervene, but alas. I will instead post something else at some point today.

Oh thaaat table F. Yeah that table is smack dab in the middle of the tavern so pretty much everyone walks by it no matter where they're going.

I think I am going to keep Yala as is. I was looking at thing's, and while there is a lot of good stuff in the APG there is nothing I want to use for her right now. Even the Herbalist Dedication would not be good for her as a good bit of what it can do she can already do as an Alchemist. Yeah, there is some there it can do, but the overlap's enough on the healing side to make it not appalling. And the potions it gives for free on the one feat, I already have to take at level 1 as a Chirurgeon. Not only that, but the Chirurgeon Alchemist is a better healer, considering that at 7th level I can start making Antidote and Antiplague infusioni with Quick Alchemy without spending Infusions, and at 5th my batches let me make 3 elixer's of life not 2 per.

There is a Dedication I want to get at 4th level or near there though. Crystal Keeper.

I believe this updates to show where everyone is:



(there are no outdoor tables, just ignore those)

Table A (9 chairs, 1 stool)
-One young man (human male) tossing pebbles into the fireplace.
- Nezaglomie
- Yalandlara
- Sularius


Table B (11 chairs)
-Empty

Table C (Private area, 6 chairs)
-Empty

Table D (4 chairs)
- Two woodsmen appear to be talking to a traveling Varisian harrower based on the Harrow cards she is laying out on the table. (male human woodsmen, female human fortuneteller)

Table E (4 chairs)
- Three rough looking men in leathers with dirty faces hunched over their bowls of stew whispering quietly to one another.

Table F (4 chairs)
- One half-elf swordsman with a serious look on his face staring at the runes etched into his dagger as he eats his bowl of stew. (male half-elf sellsword)
- Maerk

Table G (4 chairs)
-Three adventurers appear to be gambling. One has their hand splayed out while another stabs the point of a dagger quickly between the first's fingers while the third one appears to be betting on whether the hand will be stabbed or not. It seems a silly game but there is a surprising amount of gold and silver on the table. (female tiefling, male half-elf, male dwarf)

Table H (5 chairs)
- Three locals already drunk and heckling the bard to play a bawdy song ( male human commoners)

Table I (3 chairs)
- Four adventurers arguing with one another about who's job it is to find a chair for the fourth one who is standing. (male human fighter, female elven wizard, male goblin troublemaker, female gnome archer).

Bar (7 stools)
-Four town guards eating stew and keeping an eye on things (2 female, 2 male human guards)
- Yarr the Hearty and his plate of scraps
- Arnellia
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:28, Thu 30 July 2020.

DM, you have Arnellia at Table A, but she's actually at the bar.

Yala's famalier, Jasmine is at the bar asking for a bowl of milk. :)

I think you have a copy/paste error, there.  The whole post (almost) is duplicated.

In reply to Nezaglomie (msg # 66):

If you're talking about the locations posts I think it was meant to. All he did was add in where we are.

Hmm, look again.  Or maybe I'm seeing some form of glitch.  But the post goes Table A, Table B, ...  Table I, Bar, then (missing a carriage return) Table A, Table B, etc. all the way to Table I and Bar again.  So, yeah, it is an edited copy of the one from the IC thread, but it was copied twice.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:04, Thu 30 July 2020.

In reply to Nezaglomie (msg # 68):

Now that you pointed out the error, yeah I see it too. No idea how I missed that normally I notice stuff like that right off. Maybe I'm more exhausted from my physical therapy than I thought? lol

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 69):

Hmm...  I do got to say the Medic Dedication from the APG is nice and fits the feel I was going for Yala mostly, that of a front line healer.

Final call for APG updates. Sheets will be locked come Monday (or the first combat encounter, whichever comes first).

After that whenever there are long periods of downtime, typically between Books, there will be opportunities for retraining and retooling. It's a new system and I try to be accommodating for new content and new understanding of the system.

You know I didn't originally intend to make Yarr very polite and affectionate to animals it just kinda happened. Feels like an interesting character quirk though. Surly and dynamic goblin pirate that is polite to regular folk and likes animals.

Don't think that'll be enough to get him on to Za's good side.  You're still a goblin, or, as her old grandpappy used to say it, a gobble'un.

:-)

It'll win point's in Yala's book though. Of course she's prolly used to goblin's.

@Nez (and everyone else): There has been a major shift in goblins from last edition. They're no longer auto-evil raiders and instead viewed as more like half-orcs where there are still some lingering prejudices (and plenty of examples of bad ones) but overall while you don't find goblin tribes living in towns, they often trade and exist peacefully alongside other settlements.

From the Archives:

Umm.  Ok.  Well, Za is a little old-school, I guess.  Can we assume that there is a group of evil raiding goblins near Loxellithan, which might or might not be associated with the ones from Citadel Altaerein?  Since that is Nezaglomie's only interaction with goblins before today, she assumes that they are all like that.  But she can change.

How close is that to here? I ask because it would be interesting if it turned out to be the tribe of raiding gobbos that Yarr left a relatively long time ago. Like, later in the game you finally warm up to Yarr and then find out he used to be in that tribe and has family in it, even though he left a long time ago and was never treated well there that would be an interesting twist. Even though Yarr wouldn't have been involved in the attack (since he left ages ago).

However Yarr's tribe is at least a few days on horseback from here.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:20, Sun 02 Aug 2020.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 77):

True, and the description for Goblin's only says many, not all. It leaves room for hostile one's still. :) They are after all still in the Bestiary as an enemy.

It definitely was not the Bramblebrashers and there are no other goblin tribes in or near Breachill but if you go further out then sure.

I don't know where Loxellithan is, I'm assuming this is a made up town but so long as it remains off-screen: sure. There is a town called Loxellithan that was raided by Yarr's old tribe several days ride from here. It is reasonable for Nez to assume the Bramblebrashers are the same tribe given their "general" geographic radius.

Not that you know this yet but the Castle is only a mile out and if someone points it out on the horizon you can even see it faintly so it is unlikely that a peaceful town like Breachill would have a violent raiding goblin tribe holed up in a known location that close to the outskirts.

That completely works for me.  My only request for Loxellithan is that it is a very gnome-centric village, with no more than a few other residents.  This explains Za's (current) narrow-mindedness.  I love the idea of the mildly overlapping back-story -- it can come up just when Za is starting to see Yarr as a person, and then mess everything up, again.

Honestly a little tempted to have Yarr give her his hanky, with him honestly forgetting it's covered in stew bits that he cleaned up. Lol.

Not going to do that. That would be funny but disruptive.

So...newbie question. Is there any reason to ha e Lore (Dragons) if you already have Arcana?

Pathfinder 2e uses Lore skills to recall general knowledge on a subject. In the terms of Lore Dragons you would get general history and knowledge about dragon, whereas Arcana gives you more specific information about dragons such as weakness, attacks, and such. So they are very differant skills that give very differant information.

Kinda sorta. You can also cross lore a bit so you can use Arcana for Dragon lore but you take penalties, typically +5 or +10 to the DC

By the way if my terrible attempt at spelling pirate talk ever gets too hard to decrypt just let me know and I'll tone it down.

Honestly it's hard not to sound dwarven given the stereotypical dwarven accent is based on the accent from around the same region pirate talk came from.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:18, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

I said specifically I wasn't going to pass Nezaglomie my messy handkerchief. It was just a joke that occurred to me and brought up out of character.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 85):

Maerk's dialect isn't going to be any easier to understand... ;-) Keep it up, I like it!


Also, Nezaglomie wrote someone passed her a hankie, doesn't mean it was you... :-P

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 86):

Hah!  I left it open if you wanted to claim it.

Map will take a minute to get sorted so the thread will be locked until then to avoid confused posts.

Ah! Was literally just hitting post when you closed the thread...

Would you look at that; we've already met some fire-immune monsters.  I'll, uhh, be over there, out of the way.  :-)

Well the adventure path is called Age of Ashes.

Though I didn't expect it to be here so soon.

Thinking of it, fire immune dude, helping goblins that you hate. Your character isn't having a pleasant day lol.

Maybe you can focus on getting civvies out?

@Sularius: Sorry. It was supposed to be in the middle of introductions. I didn't expect nearly everyone to sneak in an update that quickly  :P


Map is up, thread is unlocked. If you have questions or see anything that is an issue let me know. The scenario does involve a lot of Interact activities in the form of firefighting and rescuing civvies so let me know if you have questions.

Question, what is the significance of people surrounded by a green box vice a teal box? I'm assuming green are able to help themselves and teal are the ones that need help, but want to confirm.

  Blue = PCs
  Red = Enemy Combatants
  Green = Fleeing NPCs
  Aqua = Rescueable townsfolks

Kinda both happy and sad the thing goes before me, happy because it will probably get in range for me to attack on my turn, sad because I can't get in between it and the civvies.

On a side note: Huzzah, highest HP in the party by 1 (and tied for highest AC)! Livin' up to my name! :)
This message was last edited by the player at 15:47, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

Sorry, where is the map?  I don't see one.  I see the new post with the table of attacks, etc. but no map.

Also, you have my attack listed in the tables as "Flames +7" but I expect to be using Telekinetic Projectile with True Strike against any flame-immune creatures such as fire mephits.  I'm not sure if you want to show this in the table.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:12, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

Hit game Map at the top left of the page next to the Dice Roller and open the drop down thingy. it's the map for group 0 thing.

EDIT: Scratch the drop down. That option is suddenly not needed. Settings must have been adjusted.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:07, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

Thanks!

Sorry, now my lack of PF2e knowledge is bubbling up.  I've been looking through the SRD for movement rules for running and the like.  I guess, because Stride is a single action, you just do it three times and use your whole turn?

Also, I assume Za would know this, but I don't.  If you charm something with which you don't share a language, I assume you can still influence it, perhaps just by walking up to it.  I'm struggling with how well that will work for a Fire Mephit, however.  :-)  I guess it's not worth the effort, because even if I can get it not to 'friendly', I won't be able to stop it setting the place on fire.

Edit:  Those are 5-foot squares?  That is one honking big room.  140 feet across.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:42, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

As far as I know you can stride as much as you have actions left. IIRC the only action with a multiple use limitation is things with the Attack trait (which gives a penalty from the second attack, and a larger one on the third). Though I haven't read spell rules much.

Yeah.  I have read up on the spell rules.  For instance, my True Strike spell is only one action and the intent is that you cast it and then have a real attack or a spell with an attack in the same turn.

Okay DM, one last question. From my reading, it looks like we can rescue townsfolk as long as we are within 30' of them, correct? So Sularius could conceivably rescue the townsfolk at I5, J7, L5, M10, and Q7 without moving?

It takes 3 actions to rescue one though, so you could completely rescue one or partially rescue three.

Okay, now once the Mephit has had its turn in the initiative I can take mine and get back to rolling as terribly as I have been so far. :3

Everyone should ignore initiative and just post when they can. I take care of initiative on my end.

Okay sorry if post is sloppy, took me a little longer than I thought to pen that and I have to head to work.

Sad damage roll. Practically minimum damage lol.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:08, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

FYI this is not going to be standard practice, where I do an update after every player's actions. I'm fine doing it for this first combat so everyone gets used to the system but going forward I will be expecting all (or most) players to get their posts in so I can do one big update instead of half a dozen mini-ones.

Therefore things to keep in mind:

1) What other players are doing, especially those ahead of you in initiative order. Just because they posted first doesn't mean they're acting first.

2) What the enemies are probably going to do. Most enemies don't have terribly complicated attack patterns at this point so they should be fairly easy to understand and predict.

That being said I don't intend to punish you either for this kind of style so I do take some liberties and view your actions as the intended action. So if you post about attacking A and A dies or moves out of range I might shift your attack to B if its in range and nearby.

9 times out of 10 when there is a conflict there is a really easy and obvious solution that I can take. If things get more complicated (an ally drops, a new enemy enters the field, an enemy suddenly displays abilities that might shift attack priorities) then you will be given the opportunity to retcon your action to account for this change.

I don't mind you being a little meta-gamey when making these attack decisions because you're already at a severe disadvantage by not being in the same room to coordinate your attacks and having to post out of order can also add to complications so by all means, take whatever advantages you can get by kinda sorta knowing what the future holds, as long as it isn't SUPER obviously meta.

("Oh a guy is going to suddenly appear in this square? Well for no reason whatsoever I'm going to leave the fight and just happen to wander withiin striking distance of this random square right here...")

Also I HIGHLY encourage you to use the OOC to coordinate battle tactics. Confirm who is going to do what. Even right now when you're not part of a group your characters would be able to signal one another, shout at one another and in general get a an idea of how to divide actions and focus in battle. I have seen parties get decimated because they just blindly rushed into battle without any kind of strategy.

Hey!  I resemble that remark.

Za is a little too stuck up right now to do much in the way of coordination, but she'll relax once she gets to know people a bit more.  She definitely does believe that the best defense is a good offense, and I agree with her in this case.  There would be no way to get all the people out of here before that little guy can light the whole place on fire.  I was going to have her shout a little something in the way of tactics (that I picked up looking at the fire mephit page), but that relied on information that I doubt she would have.  For a fire sorcerer, she's not exactly up on elemental lore.  If this were a dragon, well ...  (thank goodness it isn't, but if it were ...) she'd at least have a stash of lore to draw on.

I am starting to wonder if I shouldn't have taken a lightning-based dragon as my heritage, though.  The bigger range would have already paid off, as I could have attacked that round.  Ahh, well, too late now.  I'm sure I'll be happy about fire at some point, too.

Fine by me DM.

BTW did I miss the square the mephit moved to? I'm not entirely sure where it is so I had to take my turn guessing and now I'm not even sure what square I'm even in.

Also just for clarity's sake I can't have hit it with my dogslicer. I kicked it. I spent two actions moving and had no actions left to draw it and still attack.

So I assume you changed my Tumble Through to a regular Stride since I wouldn't have the move to get to him in one Stride and wouldn't make it through a Tumble? And thus I don't actually have my sword out.

Just wanting to make sure things are clear because my sword hits harder than my fist, drawing in melee provokes in this edition, and I want to make sure what happened officially is clear since you mention changing turns if the situation changes. Plus Swashbuckler has to jump through very specific hoops. Sometimes literally.

Not trying to be nitpicky or troublesome.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:05, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

It occurs to me. If we're going to go with a post whenever you're free style that then gets updated when the enemy turns come around, wouldn't things work smoother if we just did some form of party initiative?

That way every one in the party goes, then the monsters go or vice versa. Instead of everyone in the party goes and then the monsters go and warp space time because they were chronologically earlier than some of them and the DM will adjust player actions for them.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:59, Mon 03 Aug 2020.

He's just doing it this way, for this one battle, so we can get used to the rules. Some of us may not of played 2e to much. Myself being one of them, having only played demos at GENCON or games that's only made it a bit past this point on here.

I joined 'pride's game because from what I have seen of him so far from his other game I'm in, he takes pride in his game and wants to see them through for the long haul. So I'm hoping to get more of a grasp on things via play, because I've read the book cover to cover and built more characters then I can count. lol

All of that being said, after the next battle I am sure he will make a judgement call on how to do it better. I've noticed 2e does combat a lot different on several things then 1e.

Well the last post in the "IMPORTANT" thread seems to indicate that the style of post when you are free and sorting it out later is the standard.

I assume it's to prevent one player from holding up combat? Which can be done with party initiative.

Though you run the risk of the big clump of enemies running amok on one dude. But that just means reactions, positioning, and readied actions become more important tools.

I'm not meaning this as some critique on him/her as a GM. Just trying to make a helpful suggestion that occured to me.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:36, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

I've noticed that most GM's in PbP games tell their players not to wait to post in initiative order.

Well, right.  Because that's nuts.  In my game, I highly encourage people to post conditional actions if they are late in the order, and to provide all the rolls necessary for whichever action ends up being taken.  Not that they ever do.

To be fair that could be a big ask on some characters and in some systems.

Not saying they are warranted in ignoring the suggestion but some characters might have more scenarios and more things to roll in them. Plus what if something they didn't include happens? That can feel like time wasted.

I'm just saying maybe just having the whole party go on one initiative and then the update and enemy happens (or vice versa) might be easier for everyone. We don't have to make educated guesses and the DM doesn't have to adjust our turns after.

Up to him. The idea just popped in my head so I thought I'd throw it out there. Back in my original account on this site that I lost the info for I ran tons of games with party initiative. It had issues, but lots of benefits.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:16, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 116):

Personally I have always preferred the the standard way of doing init, and if I have an init after or in the middle of the bad guys and feel I need to take my turn at my indicated initiative because of how things look on the field at the time, I'll let the GM know. At the same time though, I'll start asking a ton of question if I need to before my turn is expected to so the GM also knows what I'm considering, and why I am waiting.

I am not a big fan of party based initiatives because it undermines the value of having a high perception OR allows the party to entirely rely on one player to move ahead of the enemies. As always I may make changes but this system seems to have worked for years for me so I will probably continue this way.

@Yarr: Did they get rid of the rule that lets you draw a weapon on the run? Oh well, noted that you kicked them.

Yea. Most everything takes some form of action now even drawing a weapon.

This list the action types. https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx If I recall correctly it's an Interact action to draw a weapon.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:00, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

Just a suggestion:  My approach is to have everyone roll initiative, but the enemies only get one roll for all of them.  Everyone who acts before the enemies can go, then the enemies, and then I consider the first round over.  Now everyone can go, with the people who already acted once being behind everyone who hasn't.  Technically, that latter group is still acting in the last part of round 1, then the others act in the first part of round 2, but I don't bother to think of it that way.  Basically, I've just shifted the "turn border" to be after the enemies' actions, but everyone ends up going in the proper order overall.
This message was lightly edited by the player at 03:05, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 118):

Also, I'm still not sure exactly what square the mephit is in. I didn't want to look up mephit speed but did so (looking only at speed) so my best guess since I can't find an exact square is that he double moved and is in C-13 now? Or did he "give up" sooner? Also I don't know if that fire lighting takes multiple actions so I don't even know for sure he could have double moved.

Gah. If I'd just chosen to sit one bench forward. lol.

I'll assume it's in C-13 and thus I am in D-13.

Sorry if I missed it or sound like I'm being testy or rules lawyery. I promise this isn't a regular thing. I just have a weird phobia of being misunderstood, so I'm just trying to make sure my in-game actions are clear and accurate.

I'll tone it down. It's hard to convey tone in text so it's comming across as me making a bigger deal of it than I intend.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:19, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

What? He is in C-8 and you are now in D-9.

Also no worries about asking questions. I am new to 2e as well, this is my first time running it so I am freaking out too :D

Never feel bad about being an advocate for your character!

Oh okay. So he moved only once. I wasn't sure since the description could have been either a single or double move. I also briefly forgot that he lit the desk below him on fire. Again I may have overlooked the mention of his end square.

In future let's all make sure we're clear about what square we end in. I would put a thumbs up emoji here but I can't. Does this count --> -b

Only one move because setting stuff on fire takes two actions.

This message was deleted by the player at 03:38, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

A few questions.

1. I had thought I had enough movement (25' three times) to reach G8.  You have me on G10.  I'm fully prepared to believe I had miscalculated, but if so I want to know how to do it right in the future.  I was counting 5 for each square, but diagonal moves were 5 and then 10, then 5, then 10.  Is that right?  (Also, the difference rather matters to my line of sight.)

2. I need a projectile handy for Telekinetic Projectile.  Is there anything on the desk there, perhaps an inkwell, that might make a nice thud?

3. If not, does it take me an action to pull out a sling stone, or is that free?  That is, can I pull that out, plus True Strike, plus Telekinetic Projectile, in one turn?  (I would imagine that pulling out the stone is easier than drawing an arrow, if I were just using True Strike with arrows I were shooting.)
3b. If that's too much, can a pull out a few, so that I have one ready for next turn?

4.
And the orange is a flame he just set?
This message was last edited by the player at 04:00, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

Eh? Has the map updated? I can't see any changes. That's why I wasn't sure where the Mephit was.

The only one I can find is this one Link back to this game

In reply to Nezaglomie (msg # 126):

I can maybe answer #3 for you Nez. It takes an Interact action to retrieve a stowed item which pulling out a sling bullet likely is.

https://2e.aonprd.com/Actions.aspx lists actions.

Wow! A lot happens quickly with this group!

As for initiative and posting, I tend to post late night Mountain Time, USA. So it may feel like I'm holding things up. Hopefully not.

Benches cost an extra 5' to move through because they count as difficult terrain. You had to move through two bench squares which is why you ended up 10' short of your target.




Sure. I'm not too picky about this kind of stuff so as long as it make reasonable amount of sense, go for it. There are probably also items that people left behind in their panic. Maybe some books or tools that fell off their belt. There were about 40 people in here so again use your imagination and go wild.



If drawing a weapon counts as an action, so does drawing a stone. Reaching into a pouch, selecting one (and only one) stone, and pulling it out successfully takes time so yeah, interact.



To the dice! You can pull out 1d4 per interact action.



Correct I decided to make the fire squares orange to differentiate them from the baddie.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:25, Tue 04 Aug 2020.

Just need Arnelllia and we're good for round 2.

I'll just go ahead and slap my turn in given only me and Neza are going to be in range to attack it before my turn will be over, she's expressed an intention to fire a telekinetic projectile and I don't think can outright kill it if my 3 damage is no more that 75 of its health. It will seemingly go after me, and I am a pretty thick boi). I will also include an alternate turn in case she does drop it.

Knocking on wood to throw off the jinx I put on myself that would cause it to crit me.

So this is coming up a lot and I want to verify this but I don't think there is a "Move" action anymore.

You get 3 actions a turn. You can elect to stride for 1 one of those actions that moves you at your full speed. Everything that I see in 2e is either free or takes one of those actions so I don't believe it is valid to move and take 3 interactions.

It's not. You have to use one of your actions to use the stride action, or you can use several stride actions, but yeah it takes an action.

Also I assume the bar on the top of the woman at H22 means she's 'rescued'? Do I need to stay with her?
This message was last edited by the player at 17:33, Wed 05 Aug 2020.

Actually, I'm guessing the bar above the name means they're 2/3 rescued. It took 3 actions to rescue someone and most everyone but me had "moved" before rescuing, meaning they could only use 2 actions to rescue.

What everyone should be doing if they want to rescue is what I did; stay where you are and use your 3 actions to rescue. DM already confirmed that you can rescue anyone within 30 feet by calling out to them. No need to be next to them.

...for now. If people start passing out from the smoke then that rule will change but for now you just have people lollygagging and a good couple of shouts are enough to get them moving their keisters.


edit: Correct the bars are for 1/3rds or 2/3rds rescued. When they are fully rescued they go from aqua to green and can start moving towards the door.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:45, Wed 05 Aug 2020.

In reply to Sularius Alariel (msg # 135):

Actually he said it takes 1 action to locate (which I assumed was walking up to them), 1 action to calm them, and 1 to point them to the door. Though as I read it again it also answered my question that we don't need to walk with them either.

But it also says 3 interact actions too, so I guess I can see where the locate would mean you do not have to walk up to them now.

Got it. :) My bad I miss read! Or misunderstand! lol

Smack me later or blame it on posting when I first got up. lol

Here's a basic interaction:

Action: Scan the room, hey there's someone not fleeing!

Action: "Hey you! Get your butt in gear"

<response>: "But I dropped my hat!"

Action: "Forget your hat, you're about to burn to death."

<response>: "Oh good point, I had better start moving to the exit in a calm and orderly fashion."

Ah, I finally found out what the problem was with me not knowing where the mephit was. The game map for some reason is not updated in the old site format for me and it is in the new one.

Apologies. I will just use the new one from here on.

Also I'm modifying my conditional turn because I overlooked the mention of a second mephit and had not found the map when I originally posted. Now that I've noticed it irl, I'll adjust.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:07, Wed 05 Aug 2020.

Conditional turns are fine. I know its a lot of work to consider contigencies but it is the nature of not being able to resolve each action one at a time. In an ideal world we could but I just don't have the time to sit on here all day every day waiting for each action to trickle in. Do your best to state your intentions via your IC post and I can always wiggle things around as actions are resolved.

That being said I do post ACs and rough HP estimates so you can get a better clue of what lands and what doesn't.

You want me to roll separate attack rolls for each conditional turn or just use the same ones as long as the attack method is the same?

Also I put the conditional turns in a PM line so they wouldn't clutter everyone else's view. Whichever actually happens I might edit the post to put the right sequence visible and put dramatic polish on it.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:45, Wed 05 Aug 2020.

Just use the same ones. The way to do it is you should go through the turn as you see it playing out based on what you know (so make sure to label those dice rolls!). If there are some choices that dramatically change things then you can specify alternate paths and I'll just use those dice rolls as is because in my mind, that is the number you would have gotten no matter what your action decided.

That being said, monsters in 2e are a LOT beefier then they were in 1e so I see you posting "...if the mephit dies..." but keep in mind that your 3 damage attack only put it down to bruised, so it has anywhere from 12 to 300 hp.

Also like I said, I can wiggle things. If you end up with an extra attack or a maneuver fails I can always try it again depending on what makes sense. I've got a pretty good tactical mind (especially considering I know what the monsters will do next as well :P) so it is EXTREMELY rare that I ever put a PC into a disadvantageous position.

Yeah, that's why it dying is a contingency and not the main one. As stated in an earlier post. I don't think the Telekinetic Projectile Neza brought up that she was thinking about using on it can kill it since best case scenario it has 12 hp left and she'd need to heighten it to have a decent chance of killing that much HP outright.

Plus there's always the chance she'll decide to shoot the new one closer to innocents since I'm on this one. Who knows?

But there's a chance she'll heighten the one I'm on or crit it, so I planned ahead.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:08, Wed 05 Aug 2020.

Yeah, I was envisioning things a little differently. Perhaps an artifact of how a different group/GM handled the scene. Anyway, I understand the move rules in this edition. My intent was for Maerk to work his way westward, assisting/motivating/manhandling those needing it along the way. After thinking about it a little more, I can see where the chaos of the moment is reflected in a bunch of shouting and yelling in the smoky hall.

When the time comes for grabbing and dragging then strides make more sense.

If I wanted to flip this table onto the unconscious mephit, what check would that be? Just Strength? Does the table look particularly hard to flip?

This isnt the kind of table that gets flipped. Also mephit isnt unconscuous, he dead.

Maerk said he used his first action to finish getting my townperson to go, so he should actually be going, not at two interactions.

Noted. I’ll fix it next update.

Good deal. :) Just wanted to make sure so I didn't waste an action on him. :)

BTW, thanks Maerk! :)

Yeah, my turns are all kinds of screwed up. Sorry for the confusion. I should have corrected the first one, but I thought I'd just go with it how you'd interpreted it. But that made the second one turn out even more confusing. So I'll try to clarify.



I started out near enough P25 (w/in 30') to help him. Those were my three actions. My stated intent was to work my way toward the original mephit. I mistakenly used the word 'Move' not meaning it in the PF1e sense of Move Action, but in the descriptive sense of working towards the central isle. The narrative was just sort of fluff to describe something more than just standing in one place yelling at people. His three actions were spent, he should have ended up in his original position or thereabouts.

So when I saw at the onset of my second turn that I'd been moved to the east end of the hall, I just decided to go with it after reading and understanding better how the scene was intended to work.


Understood, I think my first post, having confused things, made this worse. I can go back and redo if you'd like, but some GMs forbid that. As this is a new game and first encounter, I'm more than happy just to ignore the confusion, get us sorted and move forward. Maerk's intent is, and normally always will be, to head toward battle, in this case helping people along the way.


Sorry, I see that now. I'm using a different computer tonight and the entire map is rendering correctly. Last night, the edges of the map were cut off. I saw the torch bloom on the right hand side of the map, and wondered if that was a door.


That would have been a correct assumption, but since it was off from the very get-go, it doesn't make sense now. P25 should have been rescued in the first round. I saw that he was 2/3 in round 2 so I used one Action to yell at him, and another to yell at Yalandlara's 2/3 guy in order to finish them both off, saving my last Action to equip the shield, which shouldn't care about difficult terrain since, mechanically Maerk's not moving in Round 2.


How about we just do that and then we're both on the same page going forward in Round 3? Write off my first two posts as confusion spawned by the sudden surprise and the din of battle... ;-)

Edit: I think placing Maerk at L29 makes things work out better from the narration and isn't giving him any free actions.


I think both his townie and the one Yalandlara was working on should both be finished at the end of Round 2.


Again, sorry for the confusion. I'll try to be clearer going forward and ask for clarification if I have questions. Didn't want to hold up the scene! ;-)
This message was last edited by the player at 02:40, Fri 07 Aug 2020.

Possibly silly question here, but are the benches still difficult terrain if we move left and right along the walking area of the seating area instead of north or south through them?

'Cause this difficult terrain is kinda making this business a bit rough. A chunk of us are still right in the middle of the seating and being able to move left and right full speed would be lovely.

Also someone please heal me, I'm at 5 HP and need to get back into melee to protect those civies near the mephit.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:55, Fri 07 Aug 2020.

I can heal you, but I am on the opposite end of the building from you. We'd have to each figure out a way next turn to spend two action movement to meet in middle, 1 for me to hand off a heal, and you 1 to drink it.

That would also put me in prime spot to rescue that person next round. lol
This message was last edited by the player at 02:59, Fri 07 Aug 2020.

Well I'm at F-13 already. Maybe Arnellia can reach me. Despite her tag she's a cleric. Not that I want to decide her turn for her or anything, but if I can just get some heals this turn I can run back in there and bop it. Best case scenario I get heals this turn and it moves closer (and didn't roll really well to recharge its breath). I kinda regret blowing my panache to hit that other one really hard. I could really use the extra square of movement.

So firing a bow or sling (assuming you already have the bow or sling in hand) is one action?  Since taking an arrow out of your quiver and then dropping it on the ground in front of you is 2 actions, I'm a little surprised.  It is true that experts can fire three arrows in 6 seconds, but I defy a beginner to manage two, even with no consideration of aiming.

Level 1 doesn't necessarily equate with being a 'beginner'... ;-)

I thought that was a clever trick, leaving your sling loaded in your pocket. I've been gaming a long time and haven't seen that one yet, but it totally makes sense.

Yeah, Dnd 5e kinda has a 'level 1 is a beginner' aspect since you don't get your defining character options until level 3, but Pathfinder games tend start you out with your training (self or otherwise) done and you a notch above the common pleb, then you set out to get better and for background reasons.

Also thanks. I actually swiped that idea from a monk player I DM'd for once that owned a sling irl.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:10, Fri 07 Aug 2020.

The idea is that the benches are very close together so you can't just turn and run, you're doing the sideways shuffle as quickly as possible. However I could be persuaded that small characters like Nez and Yarr can move at full speed due to their smaller stature.

Also just as an FYI adventure paths typically start with very easy encounters and ramp up but this one has been tweaked up a couple of notches. If we're going to stop and have an initiative based encounter it should be worth everyone's time in terms of challenge and implications. If you HAVE played this AP before be prepared for some major tweaks. While the encounters might appear to be the same on the surface there is a lot more depth to them.

For example in the original AP it didn't really matter which townsfolk you saved or not while this time around there are named NPCs hidden in the crowds so if they aren't saved it could dramatically alter this and future APs. There is a good chance this plays out exactly the same as the AP is written. There is a chance things go completely off the rails and I am prepared for that outcome as well.

Since we've been encouraged to go ahead and post tactics discussion here:

Hey, you meleers, we really need somebody to come play with this other Mephit.  If I am in melee range, I am a LOT less effective -- against a fire-immune creature my damage changes from d6+4 with telekinetic projectile to d4-1 with my claws, and I'm less likely to hit.  Yarr did a great job on the first one, but he ate a critical hit and is not going to be able to charge this second one.

If we take out the mephits quickly, we'll be able to save everybody, not just the people we get to before the fire consumes the place.  Even if there is no source of water (is there?), the area that the fire can spread from the current flames is a lot less than the area it will reach if he is allowed to dart around and create little starter fires everywhere.

Also no worries about mistakes. This is my first time running a 2e game online and while 1e has been out for over a decade 2e is much newer so there are a lot of learning curves.

1) Me adjusting to 2e online

2) You adjusting to my style

3) Me adjusting to your style

4) New players adjusting to 2e.

I hope you feel like this is a game where you can make mistakes and I am not the kind of jerk GM who goes "OOOOOH SNAP YOU FORGOT THIS ONE LITTLE THING SO YOU'RE DOOOOMED". I want you to be able to play your characters in the best way. Now your characters might not always make the most tactical or optimal decisions but I feel that kind of thing should be more of a deliberate roleplaying choice to be reckless or careless, not a punishment for not memorizing the rules or being able to read my mind.

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In regards to a water source there is a river nearby but to actually run there and run back would be about 6 actions each way (it's about 150' feet to go out the South door, run around the town hall and then get water back. That being said you could fight the fire from the outside as well given half the building is on fire. Yarr brought up the idea of a bucket brigade but I didn't know who he was talking to but traditionally that was how fires were fought, with full buckets being handed down the line and free buckets run back to the river.

I swear I won't normally be gaining and burning Panache every turn for the finisher damage. Normally it's more practical to go for the sustained damage and boosts it grants and then use finishers when you think you can drop the target with it. However, it's a fight that suddenly erupted, civilians are in danger, and he hasn't officially partied with anyone so Yarr is a little frantic and just putting pedal to metal trying to end the fight fast as possible.

That's also why he hasn't taken the time to pull out his sword. He's frantically just trying to put these things down as fast as he can and his sword is only a few points more damage at this point. If there wasn't that crowd of people and/or more of the party was free to engage the thing in melee, he'd be pacing himself more.

Sorry that I'm asking newb PF2 questions.

Repeat my earlier question, because we seem to have moved on without a direct answer:  Assuming the bow is in your hand already (but no arrow, yet), is firing the bow a single action, or is there one action of drawing the arrow from the quiver and another of firing the bow?  (i.e. an interact action with arrow, then a strike action with bow)?  This relates, of course, to my earlier question of pulling out sling stones as the missile for my Telekinetic Projectile spell.  (Though I do like using miscellaneous objects in the room.  It makes me think of Darth Vader confusing Luke by sending stuff flying at his head.  Not that I associate with Darth Vader -- he's too lawful for me.  Umm, evil, I meant too evil.)

Question 2:  Does casting a spell while in melee no longer create an attack of opportunity?  It sure seems that way.

I am planning on casting my Shield cantrip, since, here I am, in melee.  Even if there is something I've missed that causes normal casting to cause an AoO, I would assume that shield would be excluded, since that spell is much less useful if not in melee.  (Also, it is verbal only, which seems to me to be safe from causing AoO.)

Question 3:  So attacks of opportunity are now something that generally only fighters and equivalent have?  That makes sense and I like the rule, I'm just checking.

Firing only takes an action. If your ranged weapon has Reload higher than zero it requires that many actions to load it to fire.

Attacks of Opportunity are something only certain classes and some monsters can do. It's not rare, but it's not common either.

So no. Casting in melee often does not provoke.

Though given there doesn't seem to be another mpehit after this one it might be more advantageous to just blast this one if you can. Though Sularius might hit the thing as well so I dunno. If it has the same HP as the other one it shouldn't really need that much more damage to put it down with what I did to it. Maybe one or two shots.

Up to you.

How many actions it takes to prep and fire depends on the weapon.

Bows have a Reload of 0 so you can fire once per action.

Slings and lighter crossbows have Reload 1 so it takes 1 action to fire, 1 to reload.

Heavy Crossbows have Reload 2 so it takes 2 actions to reload, 1 to fire etc. etc.


No you can't store a weapon pre-loaded. I mean you can in very specific situations but ask any expert how bad it is to store a crossbow with the arrow knocked all the time. Same thing with a sling (for balance purposes). It's not that you physically can't, but slings take a second to spin up to speed. It's not just the time it takes to drop a rock in the pouch but to perform the whole activity. I know it's not quite the same 1:1 but at some point you have to make rulings based on mechanics of the game.

Attack of Opportunity
As mentioned they're not automatic anymore. Instead it is available to martial trained classes: Fighters, Swashbucklers, Champions, Barbarians etc. Keep in mind though that NPCs don't use PC classes anymore so you'll just have to use your best judgement about whether you think an enemy is skilled enough or quick enough to capitalize on distraction for a free attack. Also, speaking from experience, people get really concerned about AoOs and miss the bigger picture. I have seen people pass their turns rather than eat 6 damage. HP is just a number. You're just as effective at 1 HP as 100 HP so as a bit of tactical advice, HP is a resource that can be spent just like any pool. Generally you should want to conserve it but sometimes you eat a few wounds to win the battle.


Also keep in mind that there is a Step action which is the replacement for the 5' step. Instead of moving your full speed you can instead just move 5' but it doesn't trigger reactions, which includes Attacks of Opportunity.

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Finally as a general statement I hope this is coming across in the writing but the air is full of smoke and everyone (PCs included) are choking on smoke. While this doesn't have a mechanical effect yet it is something that might be coming into play fairly soon. For those curious you can see just how fast a fire like this can spread here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsaLCdC3iWw

This message was deleted by the player at 07:08, Sat 08 Aug 2020.

So I think we're waiting on Sularius right? Not trying to rush him or anything. I'm just poking in case he's just not aware it's a new turn. That can happen sometimes in PBP games. Seen it a fair bit. Someone not noticing initiative has cycled and waiting for someone else to post while not knowing it's actually their turn.

Hope everyone is well btw :)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:50, Sun 09 Aug 2020.

Sorry, weekends tend to be more hectic for me, and I often don't get a chance to post anything.

No problem. Like I said, I was just making sure something wasn't up, not rushing anyone. :}

So this is what a character with 8 Wisdom is like. Lol.

Just kidding. It's not in Yarr's nature to run from a fight and leave that thing to attack others, or leave others behind in a burning building.

The low Wisdom is the not backing off to get heals, but really he wouldn't know which of you can heal him so it's not incredibly foolhardy.

He's not usually this reckless so no worries.

If I die Sul can have my hat. Jk
This message was last edited by the player at 22:04, Mon 10 Aug 2020.

Just a reminder: I still have Fire Resistance 5.  Did you account for that in the damage?

Honestly I probably got it with my damage, at least I hope so given nobody else hit it.

Heck even I only hit if that feint hit.

Either way the fire damage that has seemingly started happening each turn will almost certainly put me on the ground.

I'll need hauling out and hope that Yarr's recklessness doesn't get anyone killed.

GM?  Since I'm down to 1 hit point if my understanding on this is incorrect, I'd really like a confirmation.  The duration on Dragon Claws is 1 minute, so it should still be active, and my understanding of resistance is that it applies separately to each attack.  I'm not sure how or whether it applies to environmental flames, but it certainly should have applied to the attack from the fire mephit, which will give me enough hit points to get out, maybe.

How are you down to 1 HP? You're at 11 hp because you ignore most of the damage you're taking. I didn't call it out before but I made sure to specify it directly this time that you (didn't) take damage.

Right.  I wasn't sure, when you said I took, say, 4 points of fire damage, whether that meant that I took 9 points and 4 got through my FR, or if I was supposed to apply the FR myself.  I had assumed the latter (from the scope of the damage others were taking), but I didn't want to be presumptuous.

Edit:  Hah!  I somehow didn't even see that you had a hit points column in your tracking table.  Not to be a pain, but you have me at 11 but I should be at 12.  I assume you swapped these two.

This message was last edited by the player at 20:01, Tue 11 Aug 2020.

Are there windows along the side of the building?

Work beating me today, will post late tonight.

@Yala the building has tiny windows. Not something even a gnome would be able to effectively escape through.

Are they currently closed? Just wondering if opening them might help alleviate some of the smoke building up inside.

No they're not closed and with the size of the fire it doesn't really matter.

Didn't think I would be pulling out this twist this soon, but it felt right to do it this way. A very silly concept of a goblin that thinks he's possessed by a haunted pirate hat, in a vulnerable moment were the pirate personality can't do a proper salute to the dead despite the pain in his heart because taking off his hat switches who he is. However he forces the other him to do it. That's nice and layered. Something silly being kinda sad.

:)

So... secretly all this time my character was even sillier than it appeared at first glance.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:40, Sat 15 Aug 2020.

That's pretty cool Yarr! I wish we'd have been sitting together at a table for a reveal like that, but very cool!

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 181):

So, you're saying that Yarr is actually suffering from a psychosis, and there's nothing at all with the hat?  That is an awesome back story, and I may have to steal the basic concept some time.

Getting WAY out of character:  In the Fate-based game I am creating, I have a stunt Separate Persona with a requirement of a high Disguise skill and enhances it for one specific disguise.  This stunt is the prerequisite for Split Personality, in which the other persona actually has some different skills and abilities.  But I never thought of it as being triggered by a specific part of the disguise in that way.  (You only get 5 stunts, so spending two of them on one feature is pretty character-defining.)

Yarr is actually the alternate personality. The hat he found after his raiding party took a caravan and he put it on. When a frequent bully tried to take it, something snapped in the normally meek and low self-esteem goblin and he beat up the entire raiding party, coming to his senses when the hat fell off. He left to protect his people from the haunted hat that made him do that stuff.

Whether it's actually haunted or not is uncertain, but he's started to like being Yarr.

I love it! :)

Me too. And the race synergizes super well with swashbuckler (having a race option to get a bonus to the Tumble Through that is a core thing the class uses to work plus to get that they have to be a durable type of goblin).

Super glad I had a chance to do the reveal in a distinct way like that. It could have happened in a silly way and been a hoot, but it coming up when Yarr is wanting to do something emotionally charged but being held back by his situation is freakin' nice as well. Plus this is right after Yarr was being an absolute bad ass deckin' mephits barehanded, feinting, and flippin' around. Now suddenly, emotional moment of high vulnerability and ya'll meet his opposite, the totally normal and not particularly special in comparison goblin Kroq.

Good stuff.

Talking like ah pirate be 'ard when yer autocorrect on yer phone be overzealous even when yer typin' normal.

Arnellia has decided to drop due to IRL commitments and not being able to keep up in game. I'll be bringing in a replacement for her character shortly.

Citadel overview map has been put into the main map group. Combat maps will continue to be uploaded to Group 0 as needed.

Did the locals heal us up before we set off?

Good question, I was down to 5 hit points.

I'm sure Yala's mom and crew did that. My hope is that they at least got a day's rest. lol

As a side note, can we be 4th level yet? HEALING BOMBS! WOOT!

https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=1595
This message was last edited by the player at 21:02, Tue 18 Aug 2020.

To answer that question: NO! Their healing was directed at the dying townsfolk that were passed out.

If you get free heals I would let you know.

Well we need to get healing from somewhere before we head in. Most of the party is at half health.

We rest, Yala can heal with potions. :)

Maybe the departing cleric player could have healed us? Clerics get a lot of healing spell slots after all and as far as I know she didn't use many so far.

In theory that could get us in range of a Treat Wounds or two of being topped off.

She's still with you. I'm working on getting a replacement player as we speak.

I mean, can we assume we stayed in town long enough to at least be slapped with one Treat Wounds each over the course of 10-20 minutes? I'm sure a couple of us can do that action and a few spare hands might be free in the town to bandage us up. 2d8 is theoretically a decent chunk of healing and 10-20 minutes isn't that long to spend recovering. Better than just wandering over to a situation where we are expecting battle with unknown forces while most of the party is one gnome sneezing downwind at us from death. Plus the Cleric could save some spells for later.

Yala has the skill to do it, she needs a healing kit. Treat Wounds requires a healing kit. I had to choose between an Alchemists Kit or a Healing Kit. Though I find it a bit ironic that a Chirurgeon Alchemist can do everything that you can normally do with the Medicine skill, using the Craft skill instead, however I still need a healing kit to do it. lol

I would be glad to pay for half of a healing kit, and to lend you the rest if you need it.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:42, Wed 19 Aug 2020.

If you want to make purchases, sure, go for it.

The fact that you have that much silver left surprises me. lol

Of course you can ask DM, the fact that after auditing me finding that I have 15 silver left surprised me because HLO said I only had 8 left, lol.

Anyway, that being said, Yala only needs 35 silver. She would have mentioned the need to purchase one before leaving.

I also have a fair amount of silver left. So in theory we could see who of us is willing to chip in and split the cost of healer's tools? I mean, this is an investment that would help the whole party. I'm fine with chipping in.

I guess that solves that, for the most part. Yala will put her 15 silver towards one, obviously. So however the remaining 35 silver is split she would be grateful, and at the same time agree to pay everyone back.

Hi all looks like I will be your healer.. A lot of firsts for me this game so please forgive me if I miss a step or 2, never played a girl let alone a tree hug..er I mean an elf. Look forward to it all.

:)

I have so little to buy.  No armor, nothing but a dagger for a weapon, and that's more to cut food than to fight with.  They put a sling in the sorcerer kit, but I have cantrips I can cast all day that are more likely to hit and do more damage.

I've deducted 3gp 5sp for Healer's Tools, Yalandlara, which I'm giving to you, of which I'll pay 2gp 5 sp.  If you or the group could pay me back the remaining 1gp when possible, I'd appreciate it.

Dungeon Master, Would it work for me to put some projectiles into my bandolier for use by Telekinetic Projectile, and not have to spend an action drawing them out (assuming there are no appropriate projectiles in the room).  The spell says that it can be bludgeoning, piercing, or slashing damage, depending on the object.  So could I put four sling stones for bludgeoning and four individual caltrops for piercing, or are they too small for the spell?  (The sorcerer kit includes '2 sets of caltrops' and I have no idea how many are in a set, nor if they are too small for Telekinetic Projectile.)
This message was last edited by the player at 14:11, Wed 19 Aug 2020.

Welcome to the game new Arnellia! You're not the only healer, but like I always say, you can never have enough! :) As that being your first elf, just read up on elves in the Pathfinder book and that should give you a rough idea. Then from there, follow your heart. :) Same for your first time playing a female, follow your heart. And ask other players for advise, we're here to help!

And above all, have fun! It's a game, take nothing serious and enjoy yourself!

Yeah, I bought the Alchemist Kit, and Alchemists Tools which took most of my money. Left just enough money to buy her sword and a cheap instrument. lol

It's part of the reason why I think it's funny the Chirurgeon Alchemist is touted(sp?) as a healer, but can't buy both the tools for his class AND the tools to heal. lol

Anyway, the money, and purchase of a healing kit is noted on my sheet. As is the 'loan'.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:51, Wed 19 Aug 2020.

RE: Healer's Kit - Yala is 11cp short for her half of the purchase. Booze at the tavern has a price...

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RE: TK Projectile/Bandolier

The bandolier allows for up to 8 items of light bulk. Caltrops and Sling Bullets are light bulk. I see no problems with this.

You will not be firing an individual caltrop, you will be shooting off an entire set so you have two "shots" with caltrops but they can be recovered as normal. For gameplay purposes you've basically got a ball of them because an individual caltrop isn't sufficient to do damage, especially not scaled damage.

Normal ammunition rules apply which is after a battle you can spend a minute to recover half of your ammunition expended. For caltrops if you hit and cause damage with them they are too ruined or scattered to be used again.

It is a clever idea but it would probably just be easier to get some heavier items like daggers and clubs that can handle sustained usage.

I have money left over and will directly benefit from the Healer's kit, so I can chip in as well.

Feel free to return return some of the investment back to Za. :)

Also GM, the humanoid shapes lurking in the shadows we saw at entrance B did they appears to be moving?

Sorry not sure who needs what fixing and I can help with silver if someone needs it.

Everyone does. We're all pretty beat up.

DM remember Arnellia was given a Cure Potion in the old thread from Yala and healed 6 HP.

Noted. I need someone to finish making the treat wounds rolls so we can decide on next action. Warbal is going to encourage the group to at least poke their heads in and make contact with the Bramblebrashers on the battlements. The alarm’s been going on for over a week already and she is worried that if they are in danger they might be running out of time.

She’s not saying you have to clear the entire dungeon in the next couple of minutes but she says it’s only like 3 rooms to reach the stairs down to the Bramblebrasher lair or up to the battlements. Run in, make contact, assess the situation, regroup is her recommendation.

THAT BEING SAID now is a good time to say that NPCs are not infallible in my games. They give advice based on their knowledge and personalities. She could be absolutely correct. She could be pressuring you into a very dangerous scenario.

THAT BEING SAID I do not believe in “5 minute adventuring days”. In my games time does pass and situations evolve and even conclude based on their natural trajectories. There are, of course, allowances. I do not try to punish my players but I do try to provide a challenging game and part of that challenge is facing encounters where the party is not 100% fresh. If you rest in a dungeon, expect to be attacked. If you leave mid dungeon expect the enemy to reposition, set up ambushes, call in reinforcements or even flee with all the loot.

I try to present the NPCs/monsters in a realistic manner. They won’t all line up to be cut down like wheat. If you murder your way through 4/5ths of a cult and leave an avenue of escape that last 1/5th is going to think really hard if they want to stay and keep fighting or flee while they have the chance...

Well if we heal up Sularius with the next Treat Wounds, the cleric could pop a heal spell on Maerk since the Treat Wounds failed, and if two Treat Wounds are happening at once we could Put it on Yalandlara since she's the next most wounded. If we're willing to risk not having the spells later we could pop a heal spell on Nez as well to get us topped the rest of the way off without spending another 10 minutes. That way we would be able to do the most healing in less time.

In which case we'd have us mostly healed and presuming Sul has Stealth he and I would be healed and able to scout ahead of the party with our fairly high ACs and my pretty high HP. We could in theory at least poke in to see if the way is clear or safe enough to risk fighting.

With doors and such it would be easier to keep any of us still wounded safe in theory.

Once we got to the goblin tribe we would in theory be safe to pop a couple more Treat Wounds if we need to. Presuming they aren't dead.

Yep, Sularius is stealthy and is quite a good scout, so if he got some healing that sounds like a good plan for him and Yarr to go in. Maybe we could even make contact with the goblins while the others wait outside.

Yup DM it's official. In your other game he dice love me, and in this game they hate me.

Takes Arnellia 1 hour to get most of the party back to a semblance of good health can we wait that long?

Shouldn't you have a few healing spells via Divine Font?
This message was last edited by the player at 01:26, Thu 20 Aug 2020.

Yes, original failed roll. Yala failed all three of her Treat Wounds rolls because the dice hate me. So one cannot be tried on Nez, Sul, or Maerk again for an hour.

I need to make a note to house rule that failure (and specifically failure) of Treat Wounds only makes them immune to the Treat Wounds of the person that failed.

I mean, succeeding granting immunity makes sense. You fixed them as much as you could. Critical Failure? Maybe you just screwed up that badly. Normal Failure? Sure the wound might be beyond you and not having it that way would have people just spam it until it works. But why does just plain not treating a wound properly make it untreatable by anyone else? Maybe make the DC higher, but you aren't doomed if you go into an ER with a stomach wound and the doctor tries to treat you but then realizes they need to get the surgeon.

Then again, this system requires you to take a feat to make someone have a more positive attitude towards you using lies no matter how good at lying you are so what do I know? lol

Not saying GM should let us do it that way. Just thinking out loud.

No, like I've said before there are many things I like about Pathfinder 2e, and many things I do not. That's one of the rules I'm kinda eh about.

With that being said though I can see why they did it, they do not want people spamming the Healing ability of Treat Wounds.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:44, Thu 20 Aug 2020.

Yes you are completely right, my error there. If the DM is kind enough to hold that roll over for the next hour then I could treat them in an hours time. This would mean a one and a half hour wait before we ventured into the keep for a look see. Time that could be spent making base camp I guess. At least everyone else is Looking more healthy.

I will fix my post removing those 3, from my treatment.

:)
This message was last edited by the player at 02:31, Thu 20 Aug 2020.

We should probably pop a few healing spells, at least two (one Sul and one Maerk), and then proceed. The original plan I brought up was to have stayed in town and have some spare hands to help treat us after they stabilized the civilians in order to save time, but I guess that wasn't an option.

But we likely don't have a whole hour if the DM brought up time sensitivity. We'd probably be better off with healing spells, carefully finding the goblins, and then turtling up with them if we can. Maybe they have healing spells if we're lucky.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:35, Thu 20 Aug 2020.

I am cool to do what ever is needed

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 220):

Yes I have healing spells but if I use those when we can obviously take an hour’s rest and still go in to find the goblins. If we meet any beasties and you’re hurt again I wouldn’t be able to heal during battle.

In reply to Arnellia (msg # 227):

She has a point.

You likely have a point. I doubt any sane DM would throw us out of the city half dead and when we stop to heal then go to where the goblins are in the module have them all dead because we didn't go in there with half the party half dead.

Though Yarr the character would want to go as soon as possible.

Maybe one heal spell for Sul so he and I can poke our heads in and scope the place out? Maybe we could find a safe way up to the battlements where the fires are lit?

Again just spitballing ideas.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:02, Thu 20 Aug 2020.

We can do one more round of Treat Wounds after this round? That's only 2 hours, but I would not recommend more then that.

BTW Arnellia good job insulting the daughter of Shelyn's priestess, as well as a Medic. ;) lol

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 230):

I was really going for that pretentious aloof flighty elf thing don’t know if I pulled it off.

You're doing fine. :) There are so many types of elves to be honest that they are like humans and have as many personalities and mannerisms as there are shades for autumn leaves. lol

Oops, it appears when I glanced quickly I got things out of order. Maerk's roll did pass. I'll go and update HP totals.

Wow. Dice roller being a savage lately. This is what I get for rolling so well in the fight lol.

I'll pause there for a bit to allow for the other players to respond and maybe join me before I actually officially leave. Wouldn't want to bolt ahead too far and trigger something.

My intentions at this point would be to ready my grappling hook and drop the rope before I climb up (combining our ropes presuming Sul came with and if the walls are more then 50ft tall) then climb up and drop the hook in a secure hold to help the others up if I can be up there safely.

Of course I'll need to roll for that when I'm actually doing that, and would be trying to be quiet while climbing. Just letting ya'll know what's in my head.

I mean, presuming there's not something hugely dangerous right on top the goblins right now, this could be a shortcut to them.

The walls are about 20'-30' high. Assuming you go for an easier height where the merlon has partially collapsed then it would be 4 climb checks, fewer if a crit is scored, obviously.

Thinking in advance if I use my 2 remaining heals on those that are injured now and we go in then if we meet something we and there are more injuries then we couldn't heal those because an hour wouldn't have passed for treat wounds again and I would have no spells left. We Would have to rely on potions and battle medicine, then retreat for a whole full rest, rather than just holding off a short time now.

In my view we heal in 1 hour then wait another hour so that we can just hammer the whole way through to the brashers and get the job done.

LOL!

Yala just laid down some law, taking basically that view, but also saying if that don't work and he's still not healed we waste the spell. lol

Lol.

Dm do you want another treat wounds roll or can I just use the previous ones? Which resulted in 11 hp healing for sul and 5 for nez

For the life of me I can't find where it was said it was 30ft up. I may have been getting games mixed up...

Awaiting GM clarification just in case I misremembered and am thinking this is easier than it is.

Just a few posts above this one he said the walls were 20 to 30' high. lol

Ah. Lol I was looking too far back.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 242):

LOL! I do that all the time.

Also, not to nitpick things in a mildly heated exchange about healing, but it occurs to me... why are we setting up tents and collecting firewood?

The town is literally a short trek away.

The GM described the keep as pretty close to the town and the keep was in eyeshot when when arrived in town.

I don't really think we really need more than a simple staging area.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:37, Fri 21 Aug 2020.

Simple answer? Realism, explain the time we're wasting, and would you truthfully want to walk about a mile or three when you've just lost 90% of your HP?

Fair enough. You have a point. Didn't think of that.

Sorry if I sound like I am complaining a lot. I am not meaning it to come across that way.

Yarr is just being a bit sassy because he thinks there's a rush. That stuff is in-character.

I mean if you guys don't think we need to rush to catch the guys or see what's up with the goblins I'm fine with it.

LOL! Trust me, Yala thinks there needs to be a rush. Very much so. But she also thinks that going in with no chance of survival is foolhardy. She's angsty about it all though, but is hiding it very well. The reason she's hiding it though is because she felt someone needed to take charge, and to take charge she had to show strength not her weakness. lol Of course I'm sure something will happen and that will all come crumbling down. lol

So, play your character how you want man. I'm loving our plucky eager to get moving goblin! :)

Thing is... nobody's talking about going on a suicide mission.

It's one spell.

Literally one healing spell.

We're waiting an hour instead of chasing fleeing arsonists and possible conspirators or climbing 30 ft to the goblins because we *might* die from full health because she couldn't heal us one extra time.

To honest that's just silly. Everyone else is practically full health and we're waiting an hour to save a single healing spell.

There's saving vital resources and then theirs being overly cautious.

They are literally 30 ft away and I can't check with healthy stealthy backup because we really need to save that one healing spell.

I mean I am not as salty as I probably sound about it. Yarr however thinks this is duller than a sack of hammers.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:52, Fri 21 Aug 2020.

Just to be clear, I'm not mad at Arnellia's player. Or trying to railroad them.

I'm just annoyed at the situation. I mean we're sitting out here camping and arguing about spending a healing spell instead of actually going on to the next chapter. And that's not really their fault. It does make some sense to save it.

In character, Yarr is actually kinda angry and understandably so.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:25, Fri 21 Aug 2020.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 249):

Yarr I am all good, and it shouldn't be 1 full hour anyway. It takes 10 mins to treat wounds on one player and can be repeated 50 mins later as Yalandlara and I basically treated 3 people each over the space of half an hour the wait time for further treatment should be half and hour too 40 mins at max.

We know that the traitorist scum went in there, so there is something here that he wants.. Do any of you know what he did for the town? (will re ask that IC) anyway all we need to do is make sure he doesn't come out.

and as I said I am not going to stop you moving ahead we would be no more than 3 rounds full tilt running from you by guess.

:)
This message was last edited by the player at 04:01, Fri 21 Aug 2020.

He was a bookseller's assistant that his boss apparently fired ages ago.

And I'll drop the issue. I mean, I'm still annoyed, more at the town in the middle of an adventurer convention for not having plenty of healing items around.

But I digress. I'm making too big a deal of this. I'm just kinda high strung these days due to work problems. I apologize.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 251):

An Hey I get it you are eager to get on with the adventure. I have noticed this game runs quik as I have been lurking since the beginning. I like fast games as I often can post 2 or 3 times a day.

Perhaps he found something in the books? anyone know what these hell nights may have written of in a journal or book that was so valuable to burn down the town hall over?
This message was last edited by the player at 04:28, Fri 21 Aug 2020.

No idea. Been in this campaign 3 times on rPol, and not a one has made it much further past here.

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 253):

Well if that town wasn't so stingy with its potions maybe people would get further.

Just kidding. lol.

I've never personally played the module. Though I did the more recent one once. Not to completion either though.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:36, Fri 21 Aug 2020.

In reply to Yarr the Hearty (msg # 254):

LOL

LOL! You're goofy.

Still Breachill if I recall is not all that big so it having a large amount of healing supplies like potions and such could be rare. Add to that a lot were used on the injured townspeople, realistically. So I would not say that they were being stingy. LOL!

I think in all the times I've played it though, only 1 GM gave the party healing potions. So I'm going to go off on a limb here and say it's not in the module to do so. But like I said, I only played it on here and we never made it much past here.

I wouldn't sweat it though, from what I have been reading they've made healing a lot easier. The treat wounds ability gives back way more HP then it ever used to. Healing Kit's do not have any number of uses now, buy one use it forever. And some feats let you even do that ability while in Battle. (Yala will be picking that up at 2nd Level when she picks up Medic Dedication.).

So like I said, don't fret, don't stress. Sit back and enjoy! Many of us are learning the 2e set still, to include our GM. I've read all the rulebooks cover to cover, but that does not compare to actually playing the game. So...lets all have fun together and not stress! :)

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 256):

already got it :)

Ironically, despite being a healing oriented Alchemists, it's not a feat I was allowed to pick up as a Class Feat so I have to wait until level 2. However with that being said, I can pick it up at level 2, and my class feat can be the Medic Dedication at the same time. So BOOM! lol

Ultimately I we'll both be great healer's we'll just be doing it in very different ways. Which will make it very neat to see how our characters develop side by side.

Still all I have to say is, HEALING BOMBS! :)

Was a very long day for me, but apparently an active one here! I'll have to catch up tomorrow.

Wind Maerk up and point him the way you want him to go, shield first, he asked questions (sometimes) later. ;-)

This "emergency" is now a week old.  I can't imagine that waiting another hour is going to make a difference.

I was a little surprised that the town didn't pony up for healing as soon as the fire was out.  We did save a bunch of their collective asses.

Well to be fair sieges can take days or months and then in one instant the door caves and everyone is dead.

That's probably what Yarr's thinking.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:17, Fri 21 Aug 2020.

I can see Yarr's reasoning behind his train of thought. It's sound. Still, even in that case it does reinforce Yala's and Arnellia's that rushing in mostly injured and reducing our healing ability even more is not sound.

LOL! I do have to agree with Nez though, but it's over now and we moved on.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that rPol was running sluggish on the evening of the 21st and down early AM of the 22nd?

We're back! Seems rPol went down!

Yes indeed

I'm starting to worry it might be server load, but I dunno. Note that both times it went down during peak hours and until the second time it was up briefly during the slower times of the day. I think I recall some discussion previously that the stay at home orders and such had caused a big influx of traffic.

Nah, I was on rPol's discord server. Jase who heads rPol said it was the host doing a Rizen migration of the system's.

Ah, didn't even know there was a discord.

When on the main page, hit the chat link at the top right above the date. Should take you to it.

rpol was down all weekend but it appears to be back now! Updates coming at you Monday!

Yay! Welcome back DM!

Hugs for e'rybuddy!

Yeah, sorry, every time I tried to check in, the site was down. Lots of posts to catch up on! You are a rather prolific lot! ;-)

Maerk's got good Athletics, but I'm reading the climbing rules for 2e and it looks like he'll need to succeed at 5 or more rolls to climb that wall... Law of averages says it shouldn't be a problem, however, the rpol dice-roller is notorious for spanking me.

Happy to try it though, or throw notes up or whatever...

I'll make a brief IC post, but I'll have to wait until tomorrow night to make a decent post.

There is no way Yala would make it up that wall, even with a rope. lol

Maerk would probably climb up and start throwing foes off the top. No need for everyone to come up. ;-)

@GM - Does the grappling hook lower the climbing DC any?

LOL! Trouble with that is, we'd be splitting the party, with a portion of it not having a way to get to and support you. lol

Though seeing that would be funny as hell!

It's probably be wisest for me to climb it. Being a goblin, stealthy, and having some of the overall highest toughness in the party (with my high AC and HP).

Then again Yarr's Wisdom is 8 so wise might be the wrong word.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:07, Mon 24 Aug 2020.

@GM - Do I need to reroll treat wounds or can I just use up the rolls I made before after 1 hour.

Roll. Everything must be rolled!

After 3 weeks, and 3 misroutes by UPS Mail Innovations I FINALLY got my Advanced Players Guide. I was not happy, and sent a nasty email to Paizo customer service.

Have received mine but haven’t opened it yet... woot we all looking good ? Only Yarr should have 1 hp dmg by my calls but I could have that wrong....

Shall we enter Hellknight hill?
This message was last edited by the player at 03:59, Tue 25 Aug 2020.

I have to go to bed and can't really throw down a detailed post, but presume I'd still be in favor of me and Sul scouting ahead of the group, just far enough ahead for the group to not alert enemies, but close enough so that we aren't doomed to fight multiple turns without the rest of you.

Up to ya'll if you want that to involve clmbing up the battlement, but if we go in the front I'd be careful with the door. Just had things go south in another game because a decrepit door was squeaky.

Now that I have it to look at, I might need to talk to DM a bit.

As to entering the Hill, I still say we go in the front door. But carefully. I, and Yala, are against splitting the party. Never seen to many a game where that went well in a hostile place. lol

Well I'm talking we're never more than a room ahead and if we see any hostiles we count them and then return to the group.

I figured.

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 284):

So we all head to the front door and Yarr and Sul go in first. I would be a poor climber if we try to climb stuff today.

I'll post in character and roll for stealth tomorrow it's sleepy time

I'm feeling overwhelmed with work this week and probably into next week.  I plan to continue to stop by and post as needed, but don't wait for me.

With the APG going into wider circulation now is a good time to let you know that whenever there is obvious breaks in the adventure you are allowed to tweak your character.

ESPECIALLY when new material comes out if it ultimately better serves the spirit of the character then let me know and we can discuss if/how to make that adjustment.

For small tweaks we can likely handle it during rests. Larger and more dramatic tweaks might require waiting for an obvious "break" in the adventure. Many APs have opportunities for downtime activities so we can look at it then.

My goal is to strike a balance between allowing new content or new understanding of the rules to be brought in without creating putty characters that change and re-change every five minutes based on the whims of the player.

That's why I like ya man, you're an understanding and fair GM. :)

Sorry everyone, yesterday was a beast at work.

Decision time. Are you guys going through the main gate or are you circling around to one of the other entrances?

Ah sorry. I've been a little swamped lately.

I'll post later today. But right now I'm a little torn.

Torn? May as well go through it. lol BTW, when ya post Yarr has a special kitty delivery.

Keep goin' I say. Analysis paralysis. Time to kick some tires and light some fires! Brush-fires that is. ;-)

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 293):

BTW whichever drinks the potion, Sul or Yarr, gets a +1 Per AND a +2 to find Secret Doors and Traps.

I'm having troubles with my mice double clicking things occasionally, hence the 2 perception rolls. Until I get a new mouse, I'll make sure to always use the first of the two rolls when that happens.

Battlemap uploaded to Group 0.

Do the dogs appear to have noticed us or are they just on guard?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:30, Sat 29 Aug 2020.

Can I see through the door?

Sorry to be slightly meta, but I may not be able to post until after a few of the prior posts' questions are answered... I'm inclined to pull Yarr back and force the dogs to come to us through the doorway chokepoint, depending on how the doors are situated...

Also being slightly meta since nobody else got this information...

When we get to the goblins, nobody mention that we killed their goblin dogs.

Nevermind my question of whether they noticed us or not. I doubt I could convince them I am one of their goblin friends now that someone's thrown fire at them. lol

I should have free action signaled the group to wait.

Anyone try feeding them? LOL
This message was last edited by the player at 04:28, Sun 30 Aug 2020.

The whole "rabid" label got to me.  But I missed, anyway, so if they are friendly dogs, they're going to think it was a game.

It's the question mark that made me think about a more nonlethal approach.

Hey I'm not knocking anyone, just pointing out a slightly funny situation. It was a reasonable enough conclusion to come to. Not a lot of dungeons have things you might not want to swat in them. And these things might not even be swayable

EDIT: Why did my phone's autocorrect change "swat" to "away"? That makes no sense. Swat is a word.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:15, Sun 30 Aug 2020.

Never hurts to try, and I take hint's anywhere I find them. And I have learned, GM's like to give hint's. As a GM, I do it now and then too. Such as a question mark behind 'rabid dog' in a chart. That's a hint if I ever saw one.

I will let someone a little more nature trained handle that.

The question mark is because they don’t look like normal dogs.

Yes they have noticed you.

The people in the back probably can’t see them currently but can hear them growl so they know something is up.

I guess with us all bunched up like that, and me in the back, there's no way I could even have seen the dogs, yet.  I am very short, after all.

I support Maerk's plan to back out and let them come to us.  Once we pull them out, we can move to flank them and get the bonuses that brings.

So now is a good reminder that I do resolve actions in combat in initiative order but you might consider the delay action to shift your actions further down the turn order so presumably either the enemy is in sight or the log jam has cleared up and you have clear LOS in the enemy.

I was thinking of throwing caltrops into the room between us and the dogs but I don't want to hinder any one so delaying action.

I do have the Nature skill. I assume in 2e that's the skill needed to sway a animal?

In reply to Yalandlara Vallindel (msg # 312):

Yes it is

*poke*

Still waiting on the rest of the party's actions...

Finally broke that streak of iffy rolls I was on. I just wish I had more than a 2 to that skill. At least I'm trained in it, and being a goblin might raise that. 21 ain't bad.

I'm fine tracking individual XP totals but is anyone opposed to just doing milestone level ups? It does make bookkeeping a lot easier.

I'm good with that. :)

I find adventure paths run smoother that way on the DMing side. Makes it less of a headache to make sure the party is the right level for the stuff.

So I am cool with itm

I'm fine with milestones, that way GM can tweak and thin to keep the game moving and we'll still make some character progress in our lifetimes. ;-)

So who has solid Nature? I can aid their check and we could give one more crack at making these things friendly and then move along.

Mine is +5, not sure if that's the highest or not.

It's better than mine, at +2

It's slightly better then mine at +4.

Same with a +4

Well, I think a 24 check is a pretty good start...

They can only eat so much, lol. Yarr plus two others cross off a ration and we'll call it done.

As Yarr put it though without anything fresh getting them to ignore your presence is about the best you can hope for.

To reiterate until the dogs get some fresh meat there isn't anything more that can be done with them. They aren't going to attack you but they also aren't going to follow you either.

Yarr rolled a stealth roll so does that mean you're moving on or looking around or what?

I'm heading forward. I mean if you guys want to search this room you could probably stop Yarr, but we have gobbins to meet up with.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:02, Tue 08 Sept 2020.

Sorry guys have to go away for 2 days will post as soon as I can.

Will post tonight...

Two obvious doors to go forward, one North one South. There is nothing obvious about them that indicates one is safer or better than the other. Bpth are closed.

Is the ambassador still with us by the way or did just stay outside? Did her directions give us any idea which way is the faster to the battlements?

She is still outside watching the camp. She said either way gets you there equally because they are mirrored.

lol.

Maerk you mighty protector of the ladies you...

;p

Well, if they don't find me handsome, let them find me handy!

I now imagine all of Maerk's armor being held together with duct tape.

Alternatively, post it notes with ladies phone numbers on them.

Lol

In reply to Arnellia (msg # 338):

LOL!

I figure when Yala get's her Alchemist crossbow she can use his shoulder as a crossbow mount. :) That way she can have cover while firing her alchemical bolts. ;)

His shield standard is a big, red, lipstick smooch!


She can ride on Maerk's back like a turret gunner! ;-)

Awesome!

I'm thinking more like Master Blaster

Map is updated. Lots of doors to explore...

Just to be clear in that new post where I said towards the center of the castle I meant the one on the map that is up. Not left.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:32, Mon 14 Sept 2020.

LOL! He'd have to be a giant for Yala to do that, though it would be awesome!

I've added a map of the battlements to Group 1 to illustrate where the goblins and halfling are in relation to you. Keep in mind they're 25-30' up and the only obvious way to get to them is to climb.

16:46, Today: Nezaglomie rolled 16 using 1d20+5 with rolls of 11.  Dragon Lore.

Do I know anything about the draconic creatures?

Also, should I put questions like this in the IC thread or here?

Ah, yeah, I forgot about Dragon Lore (not used to all of the new lores). What I posted is what the DM gave me on an Arcane check. I'll post a Dragon Lore check in my post as well.