Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)   Posted by Derrick.Group: 0
Nicole
 player, 50 posts
Sat 1 Dec 2018
at 23:54
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Whisper:
Not stunned by the Kiai.
10:37, Today: Whisper rolled 10 using 3d6.  Will 10 to not be stunned.  Pleeeease.


I contest that you're no longer stunned.  As per Kiai in B203 "Roll a Quick Contest: your Kiai skill vs. your targetís Will. You are at -1
for every full two yards of distance. Your victim resists at +1 if he is Hard of Hearing, at +2 if Deaf! If you win, your target is mentally stunned (see Effects of Stun, p. 420)."  In a Quick Contest, Margin of Success is compared.  Demchug, rolling 9 vs. TN 16, had a Margin of Success of 7.  Whisper, rolling 10 vs. TN 10, had a Margin of Success of 0.  Therefore Demchug won the Quick Contest and Whisper is stunned.

Derrick's the official ref, so I'd like to wait on confirmation on this before proceeding.
Whisper
 player, 64 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 02:01
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Actually, I think that's a -1 to your skill roll for every 2 yards of distance I am away from you.

Roll a Quick Contest: your Kiai
skill vs. your targetís Will. You are at -1
for every full two yards of distance.

Nicole
 player, 53 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 02:31
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
We're in the same square, so I'm not sure what you're trying to indicate by highlighting that section.

You made a success roll to resist the stun, whereas Kiai indicates that we make a Quick Contest.  A Quick Contest (B348) is opposed, comparing our relative Margins of Success to determine if Whisper is stunned.  Demchug's Margin of Success was 6.  Whisper's was 0.

This message was last edited by the player at 02:43, Sun 02 Dec 2018.

Derrick
 GM, 190 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 03:28
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Only the initial shout is contested. After that you recover from mental stun normally, which is to say by succeeding at an IQ roll.

I researched this quite thoroughly while working with Pingbi, and had it been a quick contest every time Pingbi would have been a much more viable character.
Nicole
 player, 54 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 04:46
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
In reply to Derrick (msg # 36):

We're discussing the initial shout, though, since we haven't gotten to the end of Whisper's current turn.

I'll put out the actions of the last two turns.  If there's a place I'm mistaken, let's look at the books, the rolls, and the declared actions and come to a mutual understanding.

At the end of his previous turn, Whisper made IQ roll to recover from mental stun.  So he became unstunned.

As his first attack, Demchug Kiai'ed to stun Whisper, and made this roll with a MoS of 6.
Whisper, in a Quick Contest of Will, made the roll with a MoS of 0.  (This is still during Demchug's turn, since he was on Attack #1 of 2).
Comparing the results of this Quick Contest, Demchug had a Margin of Victory of 6, meaning Whisper would be under the effects of mental stun (B203).
As his second attack, Demchug performed an Eye-rake.
Whisper made the dodge (those 8s!)

Whispers turn begins.  Whisper is stunned.  Whisper must Do Nothing.  Whisper can roll IQ to end stun at the end of the turn (B420).

This message was last edited by the player at 05:15, Sun 02 Dec 2018.

evileeyore
 GM, 129 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 07:45
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Derrick:
Only the initial shout is contested. After that you recover from mental stun normally, which is to say by succeeding at an IQ roll.

Check msg #29, Demchug Kiaied again with a MoS of +7.

My follow up confirmation of Whisper "not being stunned" was in error (I missed the new Kiai).
Derrick
 GM, 191 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 12:24
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
I see. Yes, Whisper is stunned.

This message was last edited by the GM at 12:24, Sun 02 Dec 2018.

Whisper
 player, 65 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 15:26
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
I will then do nothing.  I wasn't sure, which is why I was asking.
/drool

This message was last edited by the player at 15:27, Sun 02 Dec 2018.

Nicole
 player, 55 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 21:02
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
You do get an IQ roll, though.
Whisper
 player, 66 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 21:26
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
I have rolled so lucky this match.  Have no business being in it this long most likely.  But, sometimes it goes like that.  Bring the eye rakes!
14:24, Today: Whisper rolled 10 using 3d6.  IQ 10 to try to come out of stun again.
Nicole
 player, 56 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 21:31
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Good lawd.

Demchug, his voice getting slightly hoarse, bellows once more.

Attack#1: Kiai

FP -1: 8 / 13 FP Remaining

Nicole rolled 13 using 3d6.  Kiai vs. 16.

Quick Contest!  I've got a MoS of 3.
Whisper
 player, 67 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 21:38
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
If you thought it was bad before, it only gets worse for you.
14:36, Today: Whisper rolled 7 using 3d6.  Will 10, need a 7 to not be stunned.

I swear I didn't take the luck advantage.  It just seems to be happening.  I should be able to defend normally this round, correct?
Nicole
 player, 57 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 21:42
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
In reply to Whisper (msg # 44):


Demchug, wondering if this is somehow his ex-girlfriend's doing, bellows even more once more.

Attack#2: Kiai

FP -1: 7 / 13 FP Remaining

Nicole rolled 14 using 3d6.  Kiai vs. 16.

Quick Contest, MoS 2.
Whisper
 player, 68 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 22:12
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Well, I'm making you earn it, but I'm stunned.  On my turn I should do nothing, bt then I can roll against a 10 to come out of it right?  This should be the second attack of your turn, so I will have Whisper do nothing and then roll to recover.

My luck turned, I will not come out of stun this turn. It's time for you to do your work.
15:11, Today: Whisper rolled 12 using 3d6.  Roll 10 to come out of stun again.
Nicole
 player, 58 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 22:25
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Is the drought over?  Has it finally come to a stop?  Demchug's faith in a kind and loving god begins to be restored...

Attack #1: Eye-Rake

Nicole rolled 15 using 3d6.  Eye-rake vs. 14. (16 - 2 (Deceptive)).

No Demchug.  God hates you and your stupid stunlock combo.

Attack #2: Eye-Rake

Nicole rolled 17 using 3d6.  Eye-rake vs. 14. (16 - 2 (Deceptive)).  C-C-Critical Failure with an Unarmed Strike!!!
Nicole rolled 10 using 3d6.  Unarmed Crit Fail.

Demchug can do nothing else (not even a free action) until his next turn, and all his active defenses are at -2 until
then.  (Oh, that's not so bad...)
Whisper
 player, 69 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 22:36
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Well, you failed and I failed, so we're even.  Whisper is still stunned.  :)
15:28, Today: Whisper rolled 11 using 3d6.  Roll 10 to come out of stun!

If Demchug hits half fatigue, will he be at half move?  It matters not, you should still win this easily.  More asking for my own information.  I remember something about that, haven't read it recently.
Nicole
 player, 59 posts
Sun 2 Dec 2018
at 22:52
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
In reply to Whisper (msg # 48):

According to B426, in the Fatigue section, you only start taking penalties when you drop below 1/3 FP.  But those penalties are brutal.  Half move, half dodge, half ST!  Eurgh...

It being Demchug's turn again... he can act!  (That seems an oddly worded crit-fail.  Maybe it was designed for multi-attackers like Demchug?)  He rakes.

Attack #1: Eye-rake

Nicole rolled 10 using 3d6.  Eye-rake vs. 14. (16 - 2 (Deceptive)).
Nicole rolled 5 using 1d6.  Str 12 + Arm St 1 = 1d Thrust, +1 (Brawling) -1 (Eye-Rake) = 1d crushing.

Roll HT-5 to resist blindness.  (I swear to god, you're gonna make it...)
evileeyore
 GM, 131 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 06:09
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Nicole:
(That seems an oddly worded crit-fail.  Maybe it was designed for multi-attackers like Demchug?)

There is more than one way to skin the multiple attacks cat...  like Demchug with Extra Attack, Rapid Strikes, All Out Attack (Double), Dual Attack, Combinations...

But, it's not just shutting down further attacks.  It shuts down everything, like Movement and Free Actions, so you couldn't even curse your luck, since talking is a Free Action.  ;)

Technically you can still Retreat, so Movement isn't completely shut down.
Derrick
 GM, 194 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 16:18
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Whisper:
If Demchug hits half fatigue, will he be at half move?  It matters not, you should still win this easily.  More asking for my own information.  I remember something about that, haven't read it recently.


Its 1/3rd FP, at which point he's at half move, half speed, and has some other nasty penalties. I'd normally rather be at 0 HP than 1/3rd FP.
Whisper
 player, 70 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 18:14
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Finally, yout get your delayed gratification.  Whisper missed the dodge, and missed the HT roll.  He'll take 5 to the eyes, is blinded, and continues to be stunned.  As much as it hurts to say, I think this fight is all but over.

11:13, Today: Whisper rolled 13 using 3d6.  Don't be blind.  HT-5, so roll 7.
11:12, Today: Whisper rolled 10 using 3d6.  Dodge 8 while stunned.
Nicole
 player, 60 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 20:06
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
In reply to Whisper (msg # 52):

As Whisper flinches back from the stinging in his eyes, Demchug adds insult to injury by stomping on his foot.

Attack #2: Stamp-Kick to the foot.

Nicole rolled 14 using 3d6.  Stamp Kick Targeting the Foot 18 (16 - 3 (Targeting Foot) + 4 (Telegraphic) +1 (Standing).
Nicole rolled 8 using 1d6+2.  Boot to the Foot Damage 1d+2 (1d+1, +1 for Brawling).

This message was last edited by the player at 20:06, Mon 03 Dec 2018.

Whisper
 player, 71 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 20:11
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
I give Nicole.  Looks like I need to go back to the template and shore up the will a bit if it's allowed.  Never seen the Kiai attack before so I didn't prepare for it.  The character as built has a glaring weakness there.
Nicole
 player, 61 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 20:16
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
Well, be careful going overboard on the defense.  A very few characters are using chi and, since the Tough Guy lens is in play, chi-defenses are a very particular skill-sink that will protect against certain builds while being a useless expenditure against others.

Really nice run with those dodges!
Derrick
 GM, 197 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 20:28
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
We've been allowing minor reworks.

I always saw kiai has a major threat in these contests.

I suspect we'll see a second generation of contestants based on the lessons learned in the first.
Whisper
 player, 72 posts
Mon 3 Dec 2018
at 20:47
Re: Whisper (Muay Thai) vs Demchug (Smasha)
I don't plan to go overboard on the Will defense, just give him a chance.  You can pump out a Kiai every round for a while, until your fatigue gets too low.  Rolling at a 10 with whatever modifier you happen to roll is almost a guaranteed fail.  I'll put Whisper up against anyone not using Chi and do well.  However, he is practically defenseless against Demchug (lucky rolls excepted).  You can't do well against everyone.  However, I at least want a fighting chance in every match.  Right now he doesn't have one against your build.