All out attacks are very risky. I don't see many people use them, except as finishers, or against foes who can't attack back. We have martial arts, which means committed attack is on the table.

We're using the extra effort in combat rules for martial arts, which means most things you would use an all out attack for can be yours for the cost of 1 FP. I surprised to NOT see those in the combat we just did. see page 131 of martial arts.

Yeah, we were going for the classic Kyokushin style of "all out attack, finish it in one blow" and I had forgotten about the extra effort.

Oh well, we'll get it next time.

Did the rules of the tournament get changed after our match?  I distinctly remember that pushing an opponent out before created a one minute wait, and now it's a way of winning.

According to the previous rules, it created a three minute break. There was no ring-out win condition unless it's been changed.

That WAS an edit, without any consultation with other players or forewarning. It previously said that it was only one participant leaving the platform voluntarily, as in forfeiting. The result of one player getting thrown out of the platform was a three minute break previously. If that had been in place since the beginning I would have built my character entirely differently.

In reply to Dblade (msg # 82):

Maybe we can have a universal chance to re-evaluate our builds?  Just since a lot of us were operating on different win conditions when we made our characters.  (Plus, Push just got wayyyy better.)

EDIT:  Also, can "tapping out" be clarified?  Given that we're otherworldly manipulators of the poor combatants in the ring, the big reasons for tapping out (choking, agony, etc.) doesn't force a player to have his/her character tap out.  Unless there's going to be some kind of will check for continuing when certain afflictions get applied?
This message was last edited by the player at 02:28, Thu 11 Oct 2018.

There was indeed an edit, back on the 4th (if you look at the original fight thread -- either than or its a different edit). I had some memory of people requesting exiting the ring being a defeat, and I was probably thinking of posts 36 and 38 in this thread, by Dblade and Vulco1, both on the 24th of September. It was made just before we started the smasha-Kyokushin fight. I do not appear to have announced the change, either in the martial arts thread, character creation, or in general chat. That is totally my bad, I should have announced it better, and possibly collected more than two opinions before making the change. My apologies. It won't happen again.

If Dblade wants to fight under the old rules for this fight, we can certainly do that. A rebuild to allow tweaks to fit the rules, take advantage of lessons learned, and possibly expand the building rules to allow for more flexibility in spending the "Cinematic skills and techniques" points may be appropriate.

We could also just revert to the old rule for all fights.

Yes, it goes elsewhere.

Its not defended against, its resisted in a quick contest, so criticals don't matter, except for the margin of success.

What really matters is how the recovery roll next turn goes, which is a 50/50 shot.

Since the +2 to my DX-based push roll from CA(Determined) boosted my push attempt, does that mean it also boosted my Push damage, which is based off the same skill, determines my knockback damage and is part of the same attack? Or was it only the attempt to hit? Also, does my Karate damage bonus to barehanded strikes apply?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:11, Thu 11 Oct 2018.

Only things that raise the Skill would effect damage... so no, Committed  Attack (Determined) wouldn't apply...  however...  Committed Attack (Strong) would have.

As for Karate, it increases damage done by Karate attacks, not 'unarmed' attacks*.  For instance it doesn't increase Judo or Brawling attack damage.

However Weapon Master (Unarmed) would apply.



* For future reference if you wanted this combo to apply you'd take the Perk Skill Adaptation (Karate damage bonus with Push).
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:56, Mon 15 Oct 2018.

Thanks that's all really cool to know. Were we supposed to be getting additional Perks because of how we invest points? Because Tai Chi doesn't include it as a Style perk but I thought for every so many points you invest in your style's components you get a perk.

That Perk, Skill Adaptation, comes from GURPS Power-Ups 2 Perks.  Taking it would require GM approval (naturally).

Your style, T'ai Chi, has the Perk "Unusual Training (Push, May not step or move while doing so)", which has only one purpose:  To allow Push to be taken without needing the TBaM Advantage.  If you take TBaM this Perk is a waste of points and detrimental.

Where do you get Perks?  Most of the Templates in Martial Arts have the Advantage "Style Perks [1/perk]" that are available as Advantage choices.

As a note, we can run more than one martial arts combat at a time, if someone wants to fight Whisper.

That Perk, Skill Adaptation, comes from GURPS Power-Ups 2 Perks.  Taking it would require GM approval (naturally).

Your style, T'ai Chi, has the Perk "Unusual Training (Push, May not step or move while doing so)", which has only one purpose:  To allow Push to be taken without needing the TBaM Advantage.  If you take TBaM this Perk is a waste of points and detrimental.

Where do you get Perks?  Most of the Templates in Martial Arts have the Advantage "Style Perks [1/perk]" that are available as Advantage choices.
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The martial arts book says that you automatically get a number of non-style perks for every certain amount of points spent on your style though?

No.

Martial Arts, pg 124 Style Perks:
"A student with Style Familiarity may buy one Style Perk per full 10 points he has in that style’s techniques and required skills."

This rule supersedes the suggested general rule of "allowed to purchase one perk per 25 Character points invested in your Character" from Basic* Power-Ups 2 Perks.




* I always think that rule came from Basic, but Basic has only the limit of "Rule Zero".

We're at that halftime break in every martial arts movie where the fighters are just walking around staring at each other until a single drop of water falls, or a pigeon turns it's head.

lol

I was going to say this is the first time I've seen a decent lull in a fight that wasn't forced.

I'm impressed with both of them.

The suspense has developed nicely.  What will they do? Continue to circle around?  Or will they choose aggression over patience?

Honestly kinda wanna give up on Baogang's fight. Can kinda see how this is gonna play out and have for a while. It's honestly not much fun fighting a stone wall. XD

Yeah, I'm extremely disappointed in Pingbi's offensive capabilities. Gurps let grappled foes attack (at a penalty), and I can't use Judo to defend him from them. His damage output is super low, so a foe with more power can safely trade attacks. We also Both took enhanced defenses, and that means hitting with anything is pretty darn hard. Grappling also has the break free option, where ST is all that matters, and Pingbi is the weakest guy in the game.

To be honest my thought was the opposite. I can’t touch you and you’ve successfully stopped every attempt cold even at what would be dangerous disadvantage for other fighters, all it’ll take is a few good rolls to lock me up and break my arms or throw me and pin afaik.

Ah - so both fighters are convinced they're doomed.  And here I was lurking in the background, thinking "What an exciting fight this is!  I've got no idea how it's going to turn out..."  :)
This message was last edited by the player at 20:36, Tue 23 Oct 2018.

I realize I should probably introduce myself, out of politeness.  I'm Joe_; I've just been lurking here for a bit, having fun reading the fight scenes. I thought I might hang out and throw in an odd comment or two on the action, if that's ok with the participants.

No problem Joe.

Yeah, this is kind of a chess game of luck and attrition. I saw in the opening of Lane and Grub that we could stand around all day evaluating or get into it. I think both of our styles were the "get-into-styles" anyway. Also, I did't know what I as doing.  Getting some good advice from the commentators out out here.

But this is what two real fighters would be doing if their life was on the line and in game it's only been just over a minute. Lane lasted less than 30 secs.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:32, Thu 25 Oct 2018.