Muay Thai vs. Smasha!

That will be a good one.

I'm fairly certain E.E's character is still going to stomp Baogang. Technically I have the advantage in grappling, but IIRC his strength is so absurdly high that nothing I do there will work. Will still be fun seeing how long I can last though.

I hope Master Mu Kao wins via punching... if he has to resort to stomping... well...


(Admittedly there is less risk with his shin kicks; if his foe has any DR, even DR 1 Tough Skin, he risks injuring his hand)


17 is not absurd.  Not at 200 points anyway.

I mean, okay, it's high.  Top range human athlete.  But it's not insurmountable.  It's only slightly higher than the average grappling skill.


You want absurd ST?‡

My 250 point DF Barbarian (Wrestler) has an absurd ST.  She has a ST 30 (and it's straight ST 30, no Lifting ST, Striking ST, Arm ST, or any of the ways of getting up there on 'the cheap'*).  And with Power Blow† and few minutes of huffing and puffing and getting ready, no door bars her way!

And she has the Power Grappling Perk.  And DR 10 (Tough Skin).  And isn't allowed in civilized towns...  because she's an Ogress.  And tends to accidentally knock things over.  Like buildings.



* Okay, SM +2 does bring the cost down a bit.

† Skill 11, so, it's one of those "Take Extra Time" things, and Power Blow x3 is probably never gonna happen.

‡ Something I've learned with RPoL is you don't build the character you want to start play with, you build the character you want to end play with.  Because you aren't going to advance with anything resembling rapidity.  After 2 1/2 years of playing that Barbarian Ogress, she still in the first mission and hasn't earned a single exp.  I've been in slower games, and faster games, but it's something to consider when genning up a character.  It'll probably be awhile before you see any points to advance with.

A neat aside but we aren’t really doing advancement with these characters and a two point difference in ST was enough for Baogang to stonewall grappling attempts last round when Pingbi had higher Judo
This message was last edited by the player at 11:57, Tue 27 Nov 2018.

Hey guys.
Back from my vacation.  I had intended to post while I was away some, but my Dad also went into the hospital the day I left.  We almost lost him.  He hopes to go to a rehab facility possibly today, and then we expect he will come home at some point.  Just wanted to explain the absence, since it was more abrupt and complete than I had expected.  Should get caught up on the game in the next day or so.
Thanks!

Ok, which fight is next? II had a rough holiday, and I may have missed something.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:59, Tue 27 Nov 2018.

Sorry to hear that boss sympathies  and best wishes to you and your family. Next was Whisper vs Demchug and Baogang’s modified version vs Mu Kao

True enough.  But we're all here to learn GURPS on a PbP style set-up... so I was mostly just ruminating on one of the drawbacks of the PbP style.  At least that where that old man rambling digression ended up.


I'll have to reread that one, but I may be able to offer some suggestions for grappling higher ST foes.

I'll try to reread and come back to this later tonight, right now it's off to game night.

Actually on that topic I noticed, it says that resisting a break free attempt gives the grappler +5 if he's holding using both hands (p. 371 of Basic), and Arm Lock's text says you have a +4 when resisting Break Free with an Arm Lock (p.65 Martial Arts), do those stack for a total of +9 because that makes it much more useful

I kind of assume it does, given that the text for 'One Hand Grappling'(Martial Arts p. 116) specifically says you don't gain the additional +5 on the Arm Lock if it's performed with one hand?

Also, since Baogang has multi-attack, can he apply an arm lock and work it for damage in the same turn? Also the text for Pressure Points (Basic/characters p. 215) says that you can apply it after successfully getting a lock and that it happens in addition to any other affects without counting as an attack, but it doesn't say anything like 'on your next turn'. So, can it happen in the same turn the lock is applied?

Yes.  Weren't you guys doing that?

Also note that in a "One Handed Arm Lock" (ie you are holding them using only one of your hands) you're at +0 if they try to break free.


No as the Arm Lock damage is passive and not an attack.  It just happens on the next turn, and every turn thereafter that the Lock is retained, if you want it to.


This is correct.  Pressure Points is just added icing to your Arm Lock cake.

Pingbi only ever used One Handed, to prevent Baogang from rearranging his face with the free limbs, so we avoided it. When Pingbi did decide to use two hands it was for a straight body grapple and Baogang just responded by punching him a lot. I suppose Baogang avoids a bit of that because of Extra Attack letting him follow through on his grapples more often



That's fine, good to know.




Excellent. Strategies are forming now.

For the record, I plan to update the Whisper thread today.  Work has been a bear upon returning from vacation, Dad got out of the hospital yesterday, and now I'm home working with a sick kiddo.  It has been rather dense the past few days.  No rest for the wicked.

In reply to Whisper (msg # 164):

Don't worry if you need some time between posts!  One of the advantages of PbP is that it fits busy schedules.  Take care of yourself and just pop around when time permits!

So, now that Mu Kao is approved, do we get another fight going between him and revamped Bao Gang?

I'm back.  I'll do an update to lane and he'll be ready to move to the next fight.

Sorry Dblade.  The die roller was insanely hot.

Two crits, a near crit and near max damage on both attacks?  Whoosh.



But RNG "paid it back" wasting a crit on a Feint and that terrible critical hit result.

So...do I just give up?

Does the mountain man have 3 attacks in a turn?  I would think you can defend the first attack and then attack back.  Or, does the critical hit on the feint completely muff his defense?

It'd subtract 14 from my defense, which would put me into negative numbers and I physically CAN'T beat his MoS with my judo skill. So I forfeit.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:39, Mon 03 Dec 2018.

That's not really my question, I will clarify.

Let's assume he gets 2 attacks.  In a normal situation, I believe one comes before you, and then the other after you in the round.  He performs an all-out attack.  Even if you fail to defend, it's a feint, so you are uninjured.  That means your next defense is all but impossible.  However, before that next attack is launched, don't you get your attack?

I'm probably not picking up on something, but that's why I ask.  It may be that the critical feint trashes him for the round, so his attack is also null and void.  I just want to understand what happened a little bit better.

I thought I was good at GURPs, but I'll just say I'm solid now.

While an MoS of +14 is nigh impossible for Bao to beat (with a skill of 15 + 2 for Evaluate), you still get a roll.  You might roll a 3 and wipe out the Feint.

And you still get defenses, at least against the second kick (the first was a crit).  Bao isn't making Death Checks yet.

And you can always roll, even at negatives for defense... you just need to roll a 3 or 4 at that point.  RNG might just swing your way man.

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That was an All Out Attack (Feint), which is basically a Double (so two attacks, but the first is always a Feint) and the second attack a Rapid Strike.

So yes, for this turn, by giving up any chance for Master Mu to defend himself if Bao attacks back, he get's 3 attacks.



Rapid Strike, Basic pg 370:  Trade one attack for two attacks at -6 to skill on both attacks.  So you can take an Attack Maneuver and turn it's single attack into 2 for a penalty of -6.  Or an All Out Double and get three attacks, one at regular skill and two at -6.

Halve penalties with Weapon Master or Trained by a Master.  Flurry of Blows also reduces penalties by half at a cost of 1 FP per attack.

Martial Arts pg 127 outlines Optional Cinematic rules allowing for more than 2 attacks with Rapid Strike, which I presume we're using.

And finally, it's a GM call as to whether or not Flurry of Blows and the halving from Weapon Master or Trained by a Master stack... in my home games I allow it, but I'm not sure if Derrick does.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:01, Tue 04 Dec 2018.

Nah I'm done. There's no point in making a roll I can't beat, then making a defense roll that'll be subtracted so low I might as well not make it, AFTER my character taking a major wound that rolled well enough to autohit.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:59, Mon 03 Dec 2018.

Ah, so base 2 attacks, and he used flurry of blows for one to get 3 attacks in the round.  I get it now.  Following that logic, you could technically burn 4 fatigue to get 4 attacks in a round at skill.  That's why they call it cinematic, I suppose.

Maybe.  Not sure if Derrick is allowing Flurry and WM/TbaM halvings stack.

Though, you could All Out Attack (Determined) and get those 4 attacks at +1 to skill for 4 FP (also if we're using the Rapid Strike Cinematic rules).

Or Committed Attack (Determined) and get them at -1 to skill.*


* Which I considered, but Committed Attack wouldn't have given Master Mu the Movement to close to 1 yard as Committed only allows for up to 2 Steps.  I also considered letting Bao Evaluate one more time and then pouncing... but eh...  Mu is an overconfident gambler.


Yeah.  A high octane Action/Cinematic game can get crazy pants in combat.