quote Coin Thunderspear>
Not me. A friend of my sister however, had a mother that watched the show, but wouldn't let her watch harry potter because it was magic and therefore evil.

Hmm, the message box is giving the "over 1000 posts" warning, entirely too subtly.
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Yet she watches Charmed and that is all about witches, warlocks, and yes-magic and a lot of creatures revolving around magic, ect. Sounds to be a bit two-faced. People like that bug me....
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:40, Wed 20 Apr 2022.

So we got a druid, cleric, bard, and rogue. Think we need another arcane type and a melee person?

Faolan and Cumandria. The wolf and the tiefling.

And now Coin!

One always needs more Coin. After all, it is Coin thay makes the world go round. :)

I swear I thought of those after naming her.

I did! I was a fan too, but only really of Holly Marie Combs and Alyssa Milano. The change from SD to Rose Mcgowan made the show better for me. I also loved the nightclub and the musical guests.

I think another arcane type and another fighting type would be a good idea, when possible.

Coin: Its not a normal wolf. Its a big dire wolf :)

Cumandria: I like most of the episodes and was like 'what if I made a character like Chris....?' and voila lol! SD had issues. Don't like her personally. Course Rose had issues too but the way they laid everything out in the episodes was superb. Everyone knew Piper and Leo were ment to be together :) Gonna find out later on if Fenris is dead, alive, ect. Lars didn't know even with Scry.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:39, Thu 21 Apr 2022.

Wolf, dire wolf, same difference to Coin. Either, cute, cuddly, and much bigger than her. :)

Well you got a possibly violent dire wolf staring at you that you just met and its not really 'smiling' :) Animal companions are still wild beasts, just got a buddy lol!

FREE AT LAST!!

And looks like we have the face of the group!!

Good to have you here coin! That or the tiefling (me) could have stolen you!! :p

See subject line for Cumarinda's current thoughts about Faolan.

Welcome aboard Coin! I for one will avoid all puns about your character's name, for at least two posts. (I promise)

Re: Zhara's freedom  Congratulations!

Didn't our group have a face before? I don't know if my character will just give up her previous role. :) (big grin)

I think that Coin like big furry creatures. Or maybe just furry creatures in general.

Fair warning Coin, not all the big furry creatures around here are tame or even tamable without a lot of trust.just ask a certain Cleric of Pelor. :)
This message was last edited by the player at 09:55, Fri 22 Apr 2022.

what subject line?

I am waiting on a post from Cumandria too :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:59, Fri 22 Apr 2022.

So a wolf is about 2 1/2 to 3' tall and fits a medium space.

Dire wolves are large and about the size of a horse. I think it would be smaller per say. About 900+ lbs. So its about twice the size of a normal wolf minus the pound difference so...Faolan's wolf is about 5-6' tall standing upright.

That's a big wolf.

You know...Faolan is the only guy in the group. Most of the time everyone wants to play a guy.

Go figure lol!

So Faolan is like Chris.

Hope Zhera logs on and posts but probably busy.

Know whats funny: Faolan is probably older then Cumandria.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:35, Wed 27 Apr 2022.

We now have a Warforged Paladin.

Still in the character creation phase, but yes I am on my way!!!

Welcome newer person, I'm the old new person.

:)

 Welcome newer person! I am the older and not new person! :)

Excellent!  Looks like a good group.

And I have been named!  Master has given Dobby clothes!!
This message was last edited by the player at 00:38, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

You know you got a good job when you go into work at 7:30 and stay till 5:30, get overtime and the boss looks at my drawings and likes them.

Priceless.

Very Cool!! Hope you're sleeping well too.

Obviously a good job is a good thing…

I Have not decided on
Two handed weapon or sword and board

Why not both? Maybe a bastard sword? It can be used one-handed for longsword damage and two-handed for greater damage.

Maybe just a MW buckler and great sword (adamantine, special)
Cold iron Morningstar

I think the -1 to hit is a good trade to boost AC +1

Anyone like something better than?
One very nice weapon
Adamantine 3k
Holy SurgeDMG2 (2000gp): 2d6 holy damage against an evil creaure as a swift action charisma bonus times per day.
Sudden StunningDMG2 (2000gp): Stun enemies for 1d4+1 rounds, with a save DC based on your Charisma, charisma bonus times per day.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:26, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

Well got to make it masterwork, add in adamantine (3000) add in +1 magical bonus (I think 1000) and then the 2000 gp to the weapon so its about 3000+ gold per weapon. Where is holy surge located? So its up to 6000+ for a magic weapon.

It bugs me they call an arming sword a "longsword." A longsword is a two handed sword. Except for in dnd.

Arming sword and langswords are the same thing and no, a longsword isn't a two-handed weapon. Its one handed but can be used with 2 hands. It doesn't really apply to you Coin :)

Falchion and Greatswords are definatly 2 handed swords. Longsword can be both but is uses with one hand. Bastard swords are exotic because they can be used with 2 hands or 1 hand and can use a shield if you got the exotic profiency.

With the lack of feats Forge, you'd be better off with say a longsword/shield combination (or any other light or medium one handed weapons) and another two handed weapon (greatsword, falchion, some sort of spear, maul, ect).

EDITED: Though it makes little sense as a bastard sword can be used in 1 hand or 2 hand but does more damae (shrugs) yet it seemed to be shorter. I think that got swapped. I don't think it really makes much of a difference and I think it was lumped together for longswords, lumped together for bastard swords, ect. I view a bastard sword as longer so say in Game of Thrones, I think Jon used a basterd sword not a longsword but its pretty mull and void.

https://medievalswordsworld.co...assification-basics/ msclkid=bc8d908cc7b211ec868d0f0da34429e7#Arming_Sword
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:59, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

Yes my biggest lay out of cash is weaponry

Magic items wise minor things
A watch lamp, jumping caltrops, endless feed bag, minor stuff like that…

My favorite source is Shadiversity, as far as informal sources go. I find his info usually checks out, and he's entertaining as well, and has integrity.

If you think of it, it makes sense that a two handed sword is longer than a hand-and-a-half sword, just like your link says. For those more familiar with dnd than real world weapons though, I can totally understand the preference for dnd. People generally favor the first version of something they are aware of.

It wasn't a bastard sword getting switched with longsword by accident in dnd, it was the arming sword getting dropped and longsword moved to fill the arming sword by accident in dnd. Probably skipping bastard sword because it had already been set aside due to the special rules for changing handedness. But that's just a hypothesis.

In any case, I'm making my own system, so I've been paying close attention to such issues, so I can fix them in my system. Reworking weapons is one of the segments I'm currently working on.

Honestly I know nothing of weapons. Pathfinder does it better to a degree. I think they just kept the basic system in DND and said the heck with it even if they weren't 'right' so to speak. I don't really care, to be honest. If you want say a arming sword, cool. IMO its just the same as a longsword anyways. Greatswords are a bunch of different swords. I'm not the best person to argue with nor the correct person to argue with about this subject. And I don't think the DND people really care so its a losing battle.

I'd be interesting in the game your coming up with.

Shortsword > Longsword > Bastard Sword > Greatsword. Simple :)

In real life my knowledge of using “cutting” weapons goes…
……Bokken, knife, katana, machete

Probably better to learn principles and go from there obviously blunt weapons have different mechanics


Clockwork mount!!!

Go with a Maul. Big hammer. I'd say its not a exotic weapon and does the same as a Greatsword but does blunt instead.

Think it is in Complete Warrior:
One Handed Weapon (can use it 2 handed)
1d10 Damage
15 GP
x3 Crit

I'd say for a 'Great maul'
2 handed weapon
2d6 damage
Say 50 gold
x3 crit

Don't have to though. Ton of weapons to choose from.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:52, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

Fair warning, my system is very much for those who appreciate casual simulationism.

One of the big changes I'm making to weapons is to make weapon reach and speed and damage type the big factors to consider with weapon choice rather than dmg. Shad's video on weapon dmg echoed my own feelings on the matter, not perfectly but pretty closely.

In any casem I'm a big believer in avoiding any situation in which a choice can be reduced to a single value that most, if not all, players chase as the sole important value.

Rating weapons entirely by dmg output for example, is something to be avoided.

I avoid it by making dmg types significant, and by making an inverse relationship between multiple important factors, namely speed and reach.

Speed affects initiative checks (which I use differently) and parrying, while reach affects to-hit, but a general trend is that bigger weapons have lower speed, higher reach, and sweep attacks and similar. Dmg is generally pretty similar, with higher dmg coming from certain designs, such as single edged curved blades. Still in progress and being researched though.

One aspect I'm adding is force, which can knock people over, crush them, etc, and is the big advantage for hammers and maces. Early stages on this.

Sorta sounds like Skyrim. Big weapons move slow, got reach. Smaller weapons like swords you swng faster do less damage. Daggers do the least but you get a lot of attacks. Same principle really.

Words of the wise: Don't pet the dire wolf you just met that doesn't know you lol

Heck it protects the group but no one has attempted to pet it yet other then Faolan :)

Worlds worst version of fetch will be me trying it…

Just because your metal doesn't mean it can't rip off your arm btw :) lol

Dire wolves are pretty brutal.

Think I will allow 1 more person to join.

I wonder what Kobold tastes like? lol!
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:31, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

I was sure it tasted like gator….

So most likely my spell to have on hand will always be
Rhino's Rush

(Spell Compendium, p. 176)

Transmutation
Level: Paladin 1, Ranger 1, Wrath (SpC) 1,
Components: V, S,
Casting Time: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round

A violent fury consumes you. You seek nothing more than to charge at your enemies and bash in their heads.
This spell allows you to propel yourself in a single deadly charge. The first charge attack you make before the end of the round deals double damage on a successful hit.

Divine Sacrifice
(Book of Exalted Deeds)

Necromancy
Level: Champion of Gwynharwyf 1, Paladin 1,
Components: V, S,
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level or until discharged

You can sacrifice life force to increase the damage you deal.
When you cast the spell, you can sacrifice up to 10 of your hit points.
For every 2 hp you sacrifice, on your next successful attack you deal +1d6 damage, to a maximum of +5d6 on that attack.
Your ability to deal this extra damage ends when you successfully attack or when the spell duration ends.
Sacrificed hit points count as normal lethal damage, even if you have the regeneration ability.

Nice one

Standard action to cast, sacrifice hit points get up to 5d6 added to damage

Swift action double damage
This message was last edited by the player at 20:47, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

Paladin get 1 Spell per day at level 7. Plus they gain a bonus spell per day if Wisdom is high enough. So 12 Wisdom that means you get 2 spells per day. It does state it specifically on your sheet BTW.

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/the....htm#abilityModifier

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/cla...11ec9477d7e631895f0f

Also you can't cast 2 spells in 1 turn. But you can cast Divine Sacrifice and on your next turn, the spell is still up (long as it wasn't used) so then you can cast Rhino's rush to charge them, doing double damage (if you hit) and then do the damage from Divine Sacrifice (its not double though)

I would like to point out, that I had said she would pet the wolf if the wolf let her. I would expect the wolf not letting her would be obvious prior to biting. But that might just be me.

Just like a cat, it lets you get close to it then rips into you to prove a point :) At least it didn't clamp on and throw you into the sea. You just met it and your trying to pet a dire wolf that's twice your size...

Everything is twice my size. And canines are not cats. Canines have more social instincts and behave that way, even the not domesticated ones. Spcial creatures tend to give warnings more than solitary creatures. It's why dogs growl amd bark and only bite when cornered or captured as a general rule, yet cats, as solitary creatures, do as you mentioned and will suddenly bite or claw without warning. Lions and ligers excepted of course.

Point made but its not a normal dire wolf and doesn't go by the 'general rules'.

He has made that quite clear. :)

I admit to thinking too much. Sometimes. Or a lot.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:38, Fri 29 Apr 2022.

I have Fomo that I am missing out on the in game thread…

I do need suggestions for a good quite hobby for when everyone else is sleeping
Obviously crafting weapons is too loud….

Craft/Profession is a class skill if that helps…

Craft and profession are always class skills, for everyone.

This gm has decreed that you need 8 hours "sleep" for recovering magic regardless of options that would normally reduce that, such as elves or rings of sustenance, so keep that in mind.

That said, pick something evocative of your character, something through which you can show who your character really is.

Anyone that needs to recover spells, yes you need 8 hours and not doing strenous activities. Elves still need 8 hours but only sleep 4 of them. Rings of sustenence doesn't effect it-it just makes it so you don't need food or water and only need 2 hours of sleep but the rest of the time if recovering spells you still need to rest and do non-strenous things like talking, relaxing, doing odds and ends, ect. It was a big debate about it but it just states you need less sleep, that's it. Its pretty good if your the scout of the group and need less time to sleep and as long as your not doing anything that provides strain its not bad a all. Warforged don't sleep which is good.

Could be a fisherman, painter, scuplting....

I thought you were going to do the craft (Weaponsmith) or Blacksmith and profession (Weaponsmoth) or blacksmith? You can take another craft skill but that does require ranks. Ballest who was here took up carpentry. Coin's a trapmaker and woodworker. Cumandria is a cook. Faolan is a stablehand. Zhera is a jeweler. And Fenris was a hunter/trapmaker.

I did go craft weaponsmithing.... How many ranks does that free skill have?  (is it one per level)?

But I did want something quiet to do whilst others are sleeping....maybe basketweaving or something....painting would be fun, and it would make me want the marvelous pigments......

I know it will cost me a skill point at the least.....


This is the part where the other PCs want it to be doing everyone's laundry!!!!
This message was last edited by the player at 13:52, Sat 30 Apr 2022.

Laundry is a cantrip, try cooking.

Craft and Profession when picked you get free ranks +3 (so max level and class skill). Not all Professions gain ranks in craft by the way.

Painting would be cool, show the soft side of a Warforged. Maybe paint stuff on your armor. Or could do craft (Tattoo). Got a character that has it, hasn't used it yet but fits his class.

Class Skill can get up to your level +3 so 10 ranks
Cross Class Skills are half your level so 5 ranks but cost twice as much.

So I'd say:
X Climb
C Craft (Weaponsmithing) 10 Ranks (DM)
C Diplomacy (I don't really like it-I've had players use it all the time but it takes time to use) but comes in handy when trying to buy thing, sometimes speaking to someone in a civil manner.ect
X Gather Information
C Handle Animal
C Heal
X Intimidate
X Jump
C Knowledge (Religion)
C Knowledge (Nobility)
C Profession (Weaponsmith) 10 Ranks (DM)
C Ride
C Sense Motive

Got 30 skill points.

I know that skills are basically what I am still working on.....

Cooking and brewing I thought were odd choices since I do not eat...

I do like to think about things, but also want to get into the game!


I like the idea of painting the warforged version of tattoo (including painting myself!) it might be fun to change colors, paint on a holy symbol, paint myself camo for woodland adventures, paint myself as a statue and prank people etc..

(maybe runecarved is the warforged version of a tattoo).....just discovered this one....
This message was last edited by the player at 14:45, Sun 01 May 2022.

Hey Cumandria, we got 2 people that worship Pelor by the way.

9+ days no zhera :(

How interesting. I'm sure that Cumarinda will be quite pleased when she finds out about her fellow worshiper.

Indeed.  Perhaps you had petioned for some assistance for a mission.....

Don't think that will work. Far as the temple knows, she's probably dead as the ship she was on was lost at sea (before Korthos mind you) so I doubt the Temple of Stormhaven would even had a clue she's in the city.

BUT it is possible you arrived in the docks Forge, possibly know Grog and stopped in to see him. You probably never met Cumandria (not everyone knows eachother).

Oh I meant more like a prayer to Pelor

Noticed Grog is an NPC feel free to spoiler me info on how I know grog…

Well he's a barkeep. Its possible the two of you met up if you ever went to the docks. Perhaps if you want you could have given him a tattoo before on your freetime. Just because clerics and paladins belong to a order doesn't mean their entire lives revolve around it :) (pokes Cumandria) Or maybe your a fisherman so you go to the docks whenever you can to go fishing so you'd probably meet up with him then. Or perhaps you never met him, went to the docks exploring and went into the tavern. Tons of reasons why ou'd be at the docks. Maybe just watching people, perhaps learning from them.

Probably pick up extra money knocking barnacles off ships below the water line and underneath


Bar would be a good place to meet potential clients … barkeep would be great referral source

Well that might be true for Cumandria (whoever she is) but Cumarinda Inbrex was raised in her order from childhood knowing no one else as family. Almost daily she saw the live divine power of their god and the good they were doing in the lives of the surrounding community. She grew up idolizing the clergy of her temple and the God they served. :) (poke back)

On a more general note, anyone who has seen Cumarinda has likely seen the holy symbol that she commonly wears.

Sure to bump into several people soon.

Got busy with work and still need to finalize my skills to be ready.....

And then she met Fenris and her whole life was messed up lmao. Now she has Faolan that doesn't believe in Pelor. Well he does but not in the way the cleric does. Its going to get interesting probably with Cumandria going to the Temple not sure how they will react. Will they turn on her? Cast her out? Welcome her with open arms? Or something else? It'll be a great RP.

I know what its like being busy. It is in some ways great Forge :)

I'll shoot out a post tommorow!

https://thecreaturechronicle.t...11ecac46527f8de0ef82

its a pathfinder race but I don't see why it can't be used in DND without changes.

Waiting on Cumandria to post as well. I'll shoot out a post today.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:38, Tue 03 May 2022.

Picture looks like a teenage mutant ninja tortle

No it doesn't lol

Oh look! Oogway!

We haven't had a good fight in quite awhile....hmm.

May the fourth be with you!

I have updated my skills and after much deliberation I had to spend some points to offset my heavy armored chassis and that is just what it is.....

So should be ready to go.  (After DM review, of course)

Feel free to post Forge. Your in the 'upper' areas and can see the main docks.

Coin, Zhera and the wolf are in the center area surrounded by water and the tavern.

Cumandria and Faolan are inside the tavern.

Sent Zhera a message in RMAIL so hopefully she's okay. Probably busy due to work!

Added in the 'quests'

Also Coin, Zhera and the wolf can make a Spot check to possibly see the Warforged.
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:01, Fri 06 May 2022.

I saw the quests and looks like odd jobs that Forge might like to do...He might even say it is better than scraping barnacles....

Plus he is an eagle scout and needs to earn his merit badges!!!  LOL!

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 77):

Whats that spot DC?  If one sees me they are going to ask if the others know who is waving......Do I get a bonus for having a brish in hand?  Perhaps a Raspberry Beret to wear whilst painting????

Well its probably a DC of 20-25. They would have to know exactly where you are and since they don't know you, you could be waving at really anyone. Its for them to see you not for you to see yourself, that's a DC of 0 lol

I'll shoot out a post today.

Coin need a Spot check if you want. I'll roll for Zhera and possibly write her off for now.

No need, Coin isn't going to pay it any attention in a city.

Makes sense with what is going on.

Zhera will be written off, not sure if she will be back. Been 18+ days. Could kill her off but that's not particularly fair.

If Coin or Forge wants to play a rogue instead, let me know. Thanks!
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:00, Tue 10 May 2022.

Let me know of if you guys are interested in a new game: Pathfinder Extinction. Thanks. If interested I can send you a run down of the game.

Sorry no time for me to get into another game.......

Its all good, figured I'd ask :)

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 85):

RE Cumarinda's room:
It looks like most of the conversation in the room is over, so feel free to have her and Faolan move back to the main room. She needs to meet the new Pelorian in town, and someone needs to save the wolf. :)

Re: Pathfinder Extinction: Color me curious, I'd like to hear more.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:34, Wed 11 May 2022.

Got to figure out what to do with Zhera lol

Cumandria: Basically you are hired by the King to take a ship and investigate a rift that has open up over the ocean. When you get close to it, you get pulled inside and it closes. The ship is destroyed and you find yourself on a beach in the middle of nowhere....

I'll post them heading outside. And the wolf can swim. Plus he's a lot bigger then most so good luck trying to get him up to a dock :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:26, Thu 12 May 2022.

Did Coin not hear the kid, especially if the wolf went swimming?

Didn't realize you rolled as you didn't post.

So you didn't see as your focused on Zhera and the wolf but you definatly did her her mom. Most people around then heard it.

There's docks along the harbor all spread out for ships so they are decently spaces out so ships can dock to them.

Ah, I see. Most of my rpol games don't bother cluttering the game threads with rolls, instead just leaving them in the dice log.

Yeah I prefer it to be in a post or in the OOC area. Don't normally check the roller unless there's combat lol

BTW added more to the post to include Forge.

Waiting on Coin and Cumandria to post.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 96):

Just a little busy today. Will certainly post tomorrow. :)

Had Zhera 'gone'. Her character is a NPC but run by her character so I can see if she logs on.

Sucks :( 22 days.

That does stink.....

Trying to decide how good or bad I am at social cues and facial expressions.....

Like noticing Grogs reaction to the others.....Or perhaps I see his grumblings in an entirely different light???

You can take it as you want. But showing emotion would be tough as you can really 'smile' or 'frown' or whatnot being well metal, rock, wood, ect. So its like Iron Man. You can't tell what his facial expressions are so got to think about what you said basically.

Grog can be a bit grumpy but overall he's a nice guy. He's either a half-orc or a orc.

You might gave trouble showing emotions, but you see them all the time, so you would probably be fine on recognizing them.

Got to agree with Coin. But it depends on how often you are around people. Being a paladin of Pelor, I'd say yeah you'd be able to tell. Say if your god is Moradin, may or may not but most people can pick up on social cues anyways.

Hey people,

I'm generally not one to nitpick, but I think we need to get something clear.

OOC I understand how easy it is to misread and/or mistype my character's name. I get it.
However, IC I think the other characters would be able to pronounce her name correctly.

Just for clarification, her first name is C U M A R I N D A its three syllables, and it is pronounced like this:
the first syllable Cu sounds like 'koo', The second syllable Mar sounds like the first syllable of 'martial or marshal',
the third syllable Inda rhymes with 'Brenda, Belinda, Glinda and Linda'.

I apologize for appearing to be overly sensitive about this, but I don't want anyone or their character to get
upset if in future IC posts someone calls her Cumandria and gets ignored.

As far as OOC goes, I don't have an issue and will happily reply to Cumandria or anything that looks close,
as DM can attest. BTW, I (player) am not angry or upset about misspellings of my character's name,
I know that I've misspelled my share of words before. :)

Will for sure double check it when I post your name...especially from my phone, because once you tell the phone you have it right, it is going to keep suggesting it, even when it is wrong....

As far as Coin knows...  :)

Still, that's a difficult name to wrap one's head around. The spelling really doesn't help either.

Waiting on Forge and Cumarinda

Not anymore!

Wait. Oh, I get it! Forge is reminiscent of a certain Edward without the younger brother.

Maybe....maybe not.

Did you know Faolan has a younger brother? LMAO J/K.

I am not sure what this is a reference to....is it a tv show or something?
I really do not know.....

Fullmetal Alchamist.
https://fma.fandom.com/wiki/Alphonse_Elric

Oh I see that seems like a good comparison, though I have never watched it....

I am still feeling him out....

I think the word fellow is really messing with him, as he and others are included in say fellowship, so...so confused...

I will try to keep any thoughts I post in orange and words in quotes and dark blue.

Anywhere I've been "fellow" has been gender neutral. This is the first I've heard of it being male.

According to dictionary, it referencing a boy is an archaic use. The several other definitions and uses are neutral in gender, though generally is dependent on the individual's inclusion in a group, I.E. "My fellow Americans" works because the fellows are all part of the referenced group.


Gotta love language. One of my side projects is creating a language, so I look at this stuff wirh interest.

Ever time I had heard it, it does indeeed mean male. But does have other meanings as well like what Coin said. Thought I don't see it as 'neutral in gender'.

fel·low
[ˈfelō]
NOUN
informal
a man or boy:
"he was an extremely obliging fellow"

Example:
Faolan says 'These are my fellow adventurers'

I don't want to arge with anyone on it of course. Thinks what I said and what Coind means is the same thing but in different terms.

Man it was hot today. 95 degrees.

Looks around.....fails to blink as warforged have no eyelids

I think that depends on the warforged. You don't want eyelids? Do you even have eyes?

Warforged has 'Eyes' but no 'Eye lids' per say. Its possible for them to have them but there really isn't a reason for it. But if Forge wants eye lids, that's all fine and dandy. They just don't serve any reason to have them :)

Oh, there is indeed a purpose, dealing with people. Even the freakish AIs in the real world get eyelids when they get a face, it's one of the fundamental aspects for showing facial expressions, which is often the second communication avenue developed, right after speech, in real world construct development. Makes perfect sense the same would be true for the fantasy world too.

Of course, that's what would be realistic if eberron were real, but games often ignore that.

That started some discussion...
What do you think?  Eyelids or no, or something else, like the ability to make it look as if a lid is coming down over the eye, under voluntary control of course....

The alternative to lichdom is a soul gem, which can see but also is fragile, a construct body for a soul gem would likely have actual "eye" lids to act as protection for the gem. The question here is how close warforged are to soul gem constructs. If close or even just related designs, then that gives a foundation to work from. Or if not, you can do a lot of different and unique things. For example, your "face" might be like a full plate helmet in which you could "blink" by raising and lowering your "visor."

Okay, just to put in my 2 CP, I'll note that as Forge seems to resemble a certain alchemist,
said character gets along well without either visible eyes or eyelids.

Then again, Alphonse is from an early Industrial Revolution world, so YMMV.

So I had Zhera take off without a word and no one noticed? :)

Alphonse
https://external-preview.redd....4306511243bc0522c98e

I don't believe he was a alchemist. His brother was.

Well, she wouldn't be the first roguish type to leave Cumarinda's circle (Fin? Valis Burns?) and simply disappear. Besides they just got to a major city and Zhera kept looking for work.
Cumarinda is half expecting her to come back some time sooner or later.

Honestly, both he and his brother were alchemists. Edward was just the shorter and more dramatic one. :)

Never saw it so I thought Alphonse didn't know anything bout it. I should watch it.

Started watching Critical Role. Already saw compain 1 and 2 so watching 3rd. Pretty good show bout people playing DND.

How to a link a pic in my description?

You can drop in the link or if you want to see it immediatly instead of loading it up:

<img src=https://
.(normally a jpg)>

if that doesn't work send me the link and I will do it :)

Hmm, it won't link. I had downloaded it a while ago, so I had to find a host, but all I can find is the pic on twitter, and it keeps redirecting, and that's probably why it doesn't work. I can't host anything myself, so I'll keep searching for another source.

BTW, here's the link if you want to see the pic.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Wag...535497822208/photo/1

Take a look at your desc, Coin.

I see a broken image link symbol.

Odd its working perfect for me.

Working fine for me too.

Edit:
BTW, I'm using the Win 10 Desktop version.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:06, Sat 28 May 2022.

Try rebooting RPOL

Might be firefox mobile. Tried the default android browser and it showed up there, but not on firefox.

Yeah I got Google Chrome.

*taps the mike*

Is the city really several miles across? Cause that's truly massive for medieval or dnd towns. That's really only possible with modern tech, generally speaking.

'Stormreach is the largest populated frontier city of the continent. It is a former pirate city, built upon the ruins of an ancient civilization of giants. Stormreach is the adopted home to a variety of people and places.'

https://ddowiki.com/page/Places

So yes, its very big and consists of several areas. The only place Coin has been is the docks and that alone is big in itself. Its also more steampunkish in several areas. Also its a game based on Dungeons and Dragons Online and a main focal point of it.

The map was a bit lacking on the link, perhaps it might be used as the game map that we can all refer to from time to time.....

I am trying to orient myself to the map to help move to locations....

Basically the way I view it:

Docks are to the south. Slums surrounded the city. Then the houses and the marketplace (which has several areas including taverns, blacksmith areas, ect) areas which lead in seperate areas-the temple, the bank, ect.

http://mourningglory.pbworks.c...h%20detail%20map.jpg

SO its a big city, the size is unknown and its the main hub.

Forge you can easily get the group from the tavern to the temple relatively easy and with little difficutly.

You can click the link and then the picture to get a better view and scan around it :)

Updated the Quest info. Grog could be wrong or right about how long it takes. Forge would know it would take about a 1/2 hour to get to the center or a bit longer.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:07, Sun 29 May 2022.

So going to the temple, see what can be found and then head to do the quests? Don't need to do them of course. Or doing a quests or two or all of them and then heading to the temple? Just want to be sure. Thanks.

Quests are completely optional :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:35, Tue 31 May 2022.

My thought (and my character's plan) was to head for the temple, stop to help anyone who needs help along the way there.

Once there, get some answers she needs/wants and make ready to join the Radiant Servants of Pelor.

Then head to the Noble quarter to try to find Lord Goodblade.

So the nearest is the Spider area in the Docks, then the lighthouse, probably the next is the basement area, last areas would be possible the man looking for his pack and Goodblade if he's in the area and the last is the temple. Sound good or want them in a diffferent order? Theres no 'time limit' to do them in if you want to check them out and can reoder them or just go to the temple? Whatever you guys and gals perfer :) There's other quests but not in the docks-perhaps the marketplace and the temple area.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:23, Wed 01 June 2022.

Faolan slipped out so don't say 'before he left' lol

So its the three of you. Thinking the cleric may want to talk but dunno. Everyone has their different views. Great RP. Trying to push the group into a decision :)

So the food Forge distributes goes to very young children, widows of soldiers with infants, and the very old people.....

If others ask for "help" that is a whole other matter...


Just wanted  to clarify, it is obviously something that can be hand waved....
Most of this would be happening in the slums....

So really the poor people :)

Right.  Obviously also temporary things like illness, broken bones or starvation he would help in the same way....food/water and rest.

Girls/boys old enough to take up crafts/apprenticeships he would probably pay for the craftsman to take them on....

Okay.

So 1st: Temple of Pelor then possible backtrack? Or do one or two of them and then go to the temple? Up to you.

Closest area is the spider thing like 5 minutes away :)

Waiting on Coin and Cumarinda to post

Waiting on IC posts.

Yeppers

Think we lost Coin.

I'm here. Got caught up in work. Besides, even Coin realizes that grabbing a few local lads and sending them in with basic gear would just make the druid unhappy, even if it would be better.

Well they would die and Faolan would be angry. How would that make everything better?

IF you don't want to go in, that's fine.

So you'd find maybe level 1 or 2 commoners with gear you'd have to supply then send them inside and they probably won't come out. Lets say you get maybe 5 people. First don't know whats inside other then spiders. They might be able to take out some of them but they will probably die. Might find maybe a 1st or 2nd level wizard if possible, maybe a fighter or two.

The woman has a dire wolf, a druid, a cleric and a warforged. A bard if we wants to go inside. All of them have seen their share of combat so they are pretty much veterens in the docks.

You'd have to convince them to go inside and probably to their deaths which you could do being a bard. I doubt the cleric and paladin would want them to do it so that's another issue. The druid would be against them going in as well.

Also keep in mind your Neutral Good. I truly doubt you'd be willing to send people to their deaths. You might, never know!
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:04, Mon 13 June 2022.

The caretaker actually goes inside and cares for the place. Vermin are the first step of infestation. There won't be anything more as long as the caretaker does exactly as she is doing and has them cleaned out when they show up.

So I'm really not sure why there is any danger at all for a handful of teenagers with sticks. This kind of small task is exactly the sort of thing that rowdy teens would be good at. Heck, many teen boys would be excited at the prospect of going in after a bunch of big spiders.

Seriously you love to argue don't you?

The caretaker stopped as the spiders were becoming numerous.

Kids with sticks wouldn't stand a change against them.

Also you don't have to go in. I mentioned it several times.

I noted some spiders are like cat or dog sized, so they must have moved in at that size and created the infestation...

Might be that a hole  opened to some other area, or something more than meets the eye is going on.

FYI:
forge is more than willing to do 100% of the swatting if there is any risk to the others.......

They ranged from being tiny to being huge on Eberron, some you can even -ride- and heck IRL Austrilia has some big a** spiders.

Coin, it seems to me that there's more going on here than meets the eye or ear. My character and I are also thinking that if this caretaker truly needs adventurers (not guardsmen or men-at-arms) to solve her spider problem, that said spiders are numerous, aggressive, and dangerous. The other and more likely alternative is that she's lying and/or hiding something.

In either case, it is a situation that Cumarinda cannot avoid dealing with. If the caretaker is being remotely honest then the spiders have to go, if the caretaker is lying than she and those she's the bait for need to be dealt with.

---

Dungeon Master? Did the caretaker come into the crypt with the characters? I didn't see in the post if she did or not. If she didn't, Cumarinda is going to try to bring her in, they need a guide.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:57, Tue 14 June 2022.

No she didn't go in. Also if a spider hits her it'll probably kill her depending on the size and damage. But you try to get her to go in. Needing a guide does make sense. Or at least having her tell you where to go. Its not a huge area.

You do got a druid that could track (never asked) who has Track and a dire wolf who has scent who can track (Faolan would know).

Also if not sure about something, send me a PM and I will let you know if you know about something. You can also do a Knowledge check as well.

Coin is following the group. Coin doesn't have a problem with the woman getting help, she just sees it as something that doesn't require full blown mercenaries (which is all an adventurer actually is), and frankly, I as a player don't see why you'd need mercs to deal with it except the metagame possibility of trying to play up the whole "players are special" thing which just doesn't fit the actually described scenario. That said, I can be missing something as apparently othees are suspicious of something odd going on, and I'm not seeing any reason to be suspicious. Of course, I haven't hit the game thread since my last post.

So the cartaker and a few others bring the body in (not in a coffin) and put them in a upright coffin. If/when more 'coffins' are needed someone makes them and they bring them in. Its a quick way to save money as most in the docks don't have much. Its also possible that the temples don't know about it. Most people just keep to themselves. But having a cleric now involved could be a good (or bad) thing. its also a possiblity the caretaker thinks the crypt is legit.

The caretaker probably realizes they are from the temple (the cleric and paladin) but since she needs help....
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:15, Thu 16 June 2022.

10' wide.
Faolan and the wolf (take up 2 spots-Long. 5 x 10)
Forge and Cumarinda
Coin in the rear?

Added a post of curiosity rather than action.....

BTW Wild Empathy may or may not work and it takes a minute. Not sure if it works on several of them. Its similar to Diplomacy.

Spiders (x6) (22)
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Faolan       (18)
*Wolf
Coin         (??)
Cumarinda    (??)
Forge        (??)

Initiative

Well to be honest the idea of using things like wild empathy, diplomacy and intimidate on vermin has been a topic of some debate.

If I recall rightly vermin heart? was a feat that allowed that and there was a trait, unnatural presence? that allowed one to intimidate vermin....Pathfinder ruleset...

I also know that Drow of the Underdark had similar things in D&D 3.5.....

Not my area of game expertise, but it has been talked about and game developers have been working around it for some time.....

Faolan is more based on mounted combat but has other feats: Mounted Combat, Track and Natural Spell (so can use spells when wildshaped)

Spiders (x6) (22)
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Cumarinda    (19)
Faolan       (18)
*Wolf
Coin         (11)
Forge        (10)



Initiative
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:47, Sat 18 June 2022.

Rolled for Coin.

So anyone behind Faolan and the wolf need ranged weapons probably. Or spells :)

1 is dead.

We seem to have crossed paths. :) I was just posting myself.

Ok. Next round everyone can get the bonuses.

+1 atk/dmg and vs charms/fear. Inspire Courage.

The group has a 5' space now.

Wonder what happened to Zhera?

Vacation maybe?

Senior skip day!!!!

Bit late but been gone for 2 months lmao

Waiting on Coin and Forge the post. Thanks!

In a PM:
Name 3 things you want your character to accomplish, see, ect.

Thanks!

Waiting on the cleric and then I will post again.

Public text

Faolan    (18) Didn't Save: 30 HP
(Wolf)     (--) Saved: 50 HP
Forge (11) (11) Saved: 83 HP
Cumarinda  (10) Didn't Save: 57 HP

Coin       (14) Saved: 34 HP

Creature: (03)
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:06, Tue 28 June 2022.

I knew a guy who was playing a game and they went to Hell.

He was a paladin.

First reaction? Detect Evil.

He exploded as he was completely overwelmed.

Cumarinda would always rather talk than fight or kill. Let's see if the Drider will listen or not.

My apologies. Real life slammed me hard. I've had about an hour of sleep since sunday.

Reminds me of the deadale wives skit. You're in an empty room, suddenly there's ogres! :)
This message was last edited by the player at 09:19, Wed 29 June 2022.

I do not see the asking as a poor tactic, it seems to be more necessary than anything else.

At least opponents know that they can request mercy at the end as well.....


I could see the knowledge of what this is typically falling under
dungeoneering.  But for some it could be  under knowledge local
The only chance I would have would be under knowledge religion.....

In my games I usually put everything under at least two knowledge checks to know something relevant (at the same DC difficulty).....

I have more to say on knowledge checks for sure if anyone is interested.....
This message was last edited by the player at 12:54, Wed 29 June 2022.

The creatures in this case are Knowledge (Dungeoneering)

Also please make the rolls and I will let yon know what it is if you roll high enough.

BIG NOTE:
Writing a post with a knowledge check without getting back to me for the results (and taking it upon yourself) for the post results in the post being removed.

Its not Knowledge (Local) or (Religion) unfortunatly. Knowledge (Arcana) might help but for the creature its Knowledge (Dungeonering).

If you know what it is OOC thats fine but announcing it ICly without the rolls is not correct and will be removed until the proper check is made, I will send you a PM on what you know, ect.

Your definatly right Forge :)

Its not a bad thing to do with Diplomacy but its the heat of the battle, they may not want to listen. The cleric kocked it down sligtly but its hostle and wants to kill the group. Most of the time Diplomacy isn't used in a fight as it takes 1 minute to use and by then the group could be dead. It can be rushed but at a -10.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:38, Wed 29 June 2022.

Forge, feel free to send me a PM about Knowledge checks.

Coin, I hope you'll be able to get plenty of sleep soon. I'm glad that you're still with us.


Cumarinda has little to no real idea of what a Drider is. I pretty much decided that my character had little chance to know what they really are. However, as I stated before, she is inclined to give almost anyone a chance to explain their side/actions/position before attempting to destroy them. She perceives that as the Good thing to do.

As far as the choice to us Diplomacy in combat, yes, I know it's an extremely difficult thing to do. -10 on any roll is no joke. Trying to talk someone down in a fight is certainly not easy, but it is possible, unlikely but possible. Unless the GM says otherwise.

Knowing the rules and many of the monsters myself, I know that in canon, Driders were created by a curse from Lolth upon drow that displeased her.
I might have expected that Knowledge (religion) would provide information about Driders as creations of the evil goddess Lolth. I might have expected that Knowledge (arcana) might do so too, as it includes magical beasts.

But the GM has seemingly decided that Knowledge (Dungeoneering) is where knowledge about Driders largely falls. As every GM's campaign is diverse, they are the final word on what is or isn't in their campaign,

Don't get me wrong, you can do Knowledge (Religion) but to get more from it you would need knowledge (Dungeoneering). K (Religion) /might/ help you :)

Looking at the drider stats its specifically states what it is, so knowledge (dungeenerring) is the best call. Also since you never seen a Drider, its up in the air as well.

EDITTED: Its a large aberrition but its in the underdark hence why I was stating K (Dungeoneering) but K (Arcana) seems to work as well!

K (Arcana) would work. Sent the cleric a PM.  K (Dungeeonering) would give you a hint to what it is, and why it may be here but its hard to tell.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:59, Wed 29 June 2022.

Waiting on Forge and Coin

I'm also interested in how your knowledge checks. I'm always looking for other perspectives and ideas.

One that is always fun is dealing with holy water, and how to use it and on what....

I tend to assume that if someone is selling the stuff they are going to tell you how and when to use it....if that makes sense.....
For example a vampire in gaseous form, you can splash weapon against it...

The system has a few weird artifacts in it....
Like rolling the knowledge check for a tiny animal skeleton CR 1 the DC is low...

But a giant skeleton you have to roll a much higher check, even if you have killed 1000s of skeletons before....fail check use rapier instead of morningstar....

Then after how many rounds of using a rapier would you see no damage inflicted and maybe change weapons?

Coin was not trying to halt the fight, rather to bolster her companions and present the idea of us being powerful to add incentive for parley over combat.

Oh no worries.  I was viewing it more as a side discussion, that had nothing to really do with the in game thread.

I have always enjoyed the idea of knowledge (lore) checks and researching things to discover the answers to things....for PC's....

I tend  to offer more than one way to get there...
For example the death knight in Ravenloft, Lord Soth...obviously he is undead, but as a fallen paladin, then perhaps the person with Knowledge nobility might have heard the same history or story that someone making the "relevant" knowledge check would make......

So when I DM I try to offer two different options over the single one, as written....
.....Or in an Al Quadim setting djinn are a major thing, so knowledge local might be full of info on them, along with the correct knowledge check.....

Makes sense.

For the creature:
K (Religion) doesn't make sense unless you know what type of creature it is. But you can make the roll and figure it out possibly but still not sure which creature/abilities/ect.

K (Arcana) is a good way to find the different abilities it might have and a possible name of it (the cleric got a 23 so she knows).

K (Dungeonerring) lets you know pssible its location, possibly why its here, ect and possibly what creature it is.

Keep in mind what your character knows and what YOU know are two different things. Its not you know what the creature is, look it up and know everything about it. That is using OOC info ICly and is very frowned upon (I've had people in the past in other games do this). If I see it happening I'll put a stop to ot.

Don't get me wrong I want everyone to have a awasome game. I don't take people sending me messages and insulting my intelligence as a 'good thing' nor will I respond back to get into another debate. I hate debates. They are bothersome. If you have something to say please do it in a PM and be polite about it. Not send me a long list of bad things that I have done in the game. If thats the case, then you shouldn't be in any games I run.

I got a tendency of running a 'tight ship' and trying to loosen it up, and have done it. I don't run a game withat's premade (did in the past) so everything is on the fly! :)

Oh you are the DM and it is up to you.

Yes personal knowledge, and PC knowledge are very different things...
Sometimes people find that a challenge...the vampire is a great example who has not watch a movie or TV series, or read a book with a vampire (or werewolf) and man the idea that your newly created character has all the lore right on the tip of his tongue is a hard one.....
...If you want that you had best invest ranks in the right knowledge skill.


Honestly also the knowledges that are relevant to "monsters" is really not a list that is too long to start investing in......

About holy water. Presumably you'd get it either from a church or a vendor trusted by a church, so I can certainly agree with your point. Either the religion (especially one that 'specializes' in dealing with undead like Pelor) would give you some instruction with the understanding that you're using it in common interest. Or, in the case of the vendor, he'd send you to the religion it came from to get some instruction on how to use it.

Of course, if you've killed or destroyed 1000s of skeletons before, you might have already discovered that blunt weapons work better. On the other hand, there are non-standard skeletons that require more arcane ways to be destroyed.

I actually was playing a giant-kin in another game and took on bout 200 skeletons. It was actually pretty fun and I used a spear. Course I had like 20+ strength ad fought them on a narrow area overlooking freezing water.

Um. Not to rain on anyone's parade but after Coin's post, I didn't see any replying post from the Drider.

So while I as a player I am questioning the reason for Forge's (seemingly) near instant attack sequence, I also realize that any response from the drider that isn't an indication of an intent to parley, is a reason to destroy it.

First Forge goes BEFORE what you are attempting at parlay which did fail. I just haven't had a chance to post yet (I'mn at work).

Also its a drider that automatically threw a fireball at you. Its not someone you want to take home to your parents and them them its your new BBF :) They are so very evil.

When it comes to combat, everyone has a turn. Anything that happens after each turn happens after they act. Simple. Diplomacy is not the 'I'm never gooing to have to fight again'. If someone wants you dead, they will not act like 'Oh its all good. We're good'. Its not a spell.

This is why I really really hate Diplomacy in the middle of a fight. I get why you want to talk it out but serviously its not going to work :)

It can still decide to parley or surrender..


...perhaps I decided to forge ahead... ; )

Decided it was too dangerous to risk that with an uninjured opponent..
This message was last edited by the player at 18:24, Thu 30 June 2022.

Most likely your going to have to kill it or have it run away. Heck the wolf did 15 damage. Forge did 11. I don't see a drider surrendering. Or talking. Maybe it doesn't even know Common.

I agree that knowledges are difficult, especially because 0 ranks doesn't mean you are totally ignorant of something, it is just for knowing the actual truth or deeper knowledge that requires actual study. For example, we didn't need to make knowledge checks to know what the lady was talking about when she told us of spiders, because that is such a common piece of information that basically everyone knows what a spider is. However, there is deeper lore about spiders that not everyone knows. It is difficult because this gives a minimum of three levels of knowledge, the automatic knowledge that everyone knows (The stuff you don't need to roll for, i.e. what is a spider), knowledge that is common enough that anybody might or might not know it without special study (the stuff you need to roll for but can roll untrained, i.e. are these the same species of spider as those under the docks?), and then the stuff you need actual study to know (the stuff ypu can't know without ranks in knowledge).

This is especially difficult because the line between the first two groups is very fuzzy and players can easily be mistaken about it. which is made worse by the fact that different gms will make different calls, and if a player is also a gm, they might have a well practiced habit od determining what is auto-knowledge vs roll-for-it common knowledge which might mismatch the current gm.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:28, Thu 30 June 2022.

Being a bard: You got all of the knowledge available. Use them. Yet for this fight you didn't bother with it. That's fine. Its just a big streagth of a bard. Well some types its good for.

Some spiders are good parents. Some spiders actually make 'nests'. Yet because what you believed was correct which it wasn't, you were indeed right. Seriously, no.

Not everyone knows anything about spiders. Especially not ones that are the size of small dogs. Or bigger ones for that matter. You just 'assume' which is just false. So I ask for everyone to make rolls, asks me for some information and then post. I'm not going to go back and forth with what a player 'supposedly' knows. Thats OOC info.

So you took what you know OOCly, applied to what your character would know ICly (which most DMs are gainst mind you not just me) without realizing what your character could be saying was false (and mind you being a bard you could easily have rolled to find out the correct info) just to make someone else in the party look bad.

It boggles my mind.

So stop assuming. We all want to get along and ASK. Everyone has common knowledge. Most people don't know crap about spiders because they got legs, make webs (some of them) and go after insects. I'm not going to argue with anyone, and want everyone to get along.

(ALso please make sure to pout what your character is doing in a OOC puts onder your post in combat thread)

I'll shoot out a post tonight. Thanks for the patience.

I wasn't trying to make anyone look bad, and I actually expected it to be false. I also, mistakenly clearly, expected it be so simple and unhelpful as a comment as to not be a problem. For which I again apologize. It's a matter of learning your boundaries which are far outside my experiences in gaming thus far. I was going for characterization and reinforcing why she expected it to be a kid's job. It wasn't intended as any sort of actually helpful info.

This again goes back to the certain artificial nature of the checks and how that works.

I have had DM's allow knowledge checks "untrained" and they capped the DC limit to a base of 10 and added your intelligence modifier, so like maybe a +1 to +3. meaning anything 10 or less, or 11 or 12 or 13 or less, anything beyond that was just a "no way" you have any chance of knowing it even if you roll a natural 20 on the check.....


Pathfinder had a trait that let you make knowledge checks untrained for a DC under a certain number......

By RAW you can make untrained knowledge checks up to dc 10. The only homebrew about that is adding your int mod to the max dc, which I actually do like though I'd add double your int mod to max dc for "educated" people, such as nobility or scholars.

Ah yes found the trait in pathfinder

Eternal Understanding
Though you haven’t been traditionally educated, you’re blessed with
potent observation and discernment.

Benefit(s) You can attempt Knowledge checks with a DC of 15 or lower untrained.

Everyone gains: +1 Attribute Point

Obviously boosted Charisma......to no avail, I am much the same as I started...

Welcome to the game Krite

Can't say good looking but well spoken for a warforged, Forge.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:15, Tue 05 July 2022.

Thank you.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:30, Tue 05 July 2022.

Hello, everyone! Thanks for the welcome, DM!

Got someone interested in playing a rogue. A dwarf rogue.

In reply to Krite Singlebraid (msg # 214):

Welcome Krite!

[explosive fanfare]
WELCOME!

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 215):

A dwarf rogue? Cool.

Wow the things that happen while I am "working"...

Welcome aboard!!!

I'll give coin 7 days and then I will NPC him going off somewhere.

And I will find a way to get the wizard into the group, please bare with me.

Also still need to throw where the drider is and can't throw it far but I like the idea.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:23, Tue 12 July 2022.

I’m bearing, don’t worry! I’m excited to be able to play instead of GM!!!

Sorry, I hadn't realized we moved to the next round.

Also, does it seem like the drider could have entered through the doorway?

I assume the  thing prefers to hide in darkness and avoid the revealing light of Pelor!!!

FYI
There's bad news and good news...

I've contracted Covid-19 that's the bad news.
The good news is that I'm mostly being affected like it's a conventional case of the flu.
I'm not having to be hospitalized, and I'm starting the antivirals tomorrow.
So the doctor's expect full recovery within 6-10 days.
But life's going to suck slightly until then.

Please bear with me, I'll try to keep up with things.

I'm sorry to hear that Cumarinda. Hope you have an extremely mild case and a speedy recovery!

Hopefully indeed....
This encounter may well last a bit longer than we thought, but we will all be patient at the pace that is allowed.

Ok. Hope you feel better soon!

Get well! Take plenty of vitamin c and d and buttermilk.

I posted last so waiting on the others to respond :)

The group seems to be trapped.

Yep got plenty of vitamins to help but I've never heard of buttermilk being helpful.

My great aunts swore by the curative powers of buttermilk! (Me, I hate the stuff, unless I'm using it for cooking.)

When all else fails: Vitamin C and Niquil. Knock me out until I'm better lol.

The immune system's effectiveness is inversely proportional between anti-viral and anti-bacterial capability. Normally this is pretty balanced, but certain things can be consumed to over balance the immune system to be stronger against one at the expense of being weaker against the other. All I remember now is that buttermilk tilts things towards anti-viral ability, and as a flu, covid is a virus, thus tilting the immune system against viruses would help.

Is there a map I'm not aware of?

Got a 10' entrance with a 10' door. It went down about 30' and branched off to the right and left. Its like a box with a center area.

Message 157
In the main area, there are two coffins that are open and the bodies lie on the ground. And they look like they recently died. But from here its hard to tell. There is a pouch near them. The room is about 30x30 with a coffin about every 5'. All are closed other then the two across from the group.

No one went inside and the group seems trapped unable to leave. Its not the center area its the entrance inside.

Makes sense  to me......

I was waiting  on others, but  went ahead with detecting evil....

Not sure of Coin.
Cumarinda is sick so she will post when she can but I would prefer her to get well and post when she feels up for it.
Trying to figure out a way to get the gnome into the group. I'll figure it out tonight probably :)

My favorite PC introduction for a gnome was he was here all along you just never noticed him before!!!!

Been tempted to play a halfling barbarian. The whole point is don't get the small man upset. lol. I did have one in DD0. The strengh didn't do much and I took feats that made it so running into combat (dodge, mobility, spring attack) with a halfling was funny as hell.

I heard the same thing about a halfling monk....

Still not entirely clear on the layout. Th e impression I get from the game thread is that this is a line of hallway witn two branches that ends in a room. Not sure if the door is big enough for the drider to fit through. Inside the room is where we saw the drider. But it somehow started down a hallway, but I'm not sure if it exited the room and went down one of the branching paths, or if there is a hallway beyond the room, or if it was trying to get past Coin out the main hallway.

I had the impression it was a room in the center with basically a hallway around the outside of that single large central chamber......with burial spots along that outer wall....

Hallway that branches into two branches. They meet up TOGETHER and there is a center area that the group glanced into but didn't fully check out (two bodies not in coffins, pouch, ect). The drider was in the center room but was invisible and moved elsewhere to lauch the attack. It wasn't in the room when it attacked, it was in the hallway opposite of the group. Faolan dove into the room to get out of its side.

It took off back to the 'surface' but the group realize they were trapped but found out it was a illusionary wall. The drider seemed to have taken off and the group is now right near the entrance to the outside where they started. We're way past that. It wouldn't have to move past Coin as it can simply go down the hallway.
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That was not clear. I was hamging in the back to remain between the entrance and whatever we find. Forge thought it waa an alcove the drider escaped to. In retrospect, I see that you were trying to make us think we were trapped, but I don't think anyone understood the map enough to realize that.

I guess it doesn’t make much difference now.

I visualize it this way

A short entry tunnel then the shape is a diamond we came in at the junction of the diamond shape

The center of the diamond is open to the tunnels at at least two points

Exactly. The center 'area' is where the two bodies were found and left. Every few feet there is a coffin raised upright against the wall. So by blocking the main entrance, it would assume the group was trapped inside but the 'wall' was a illusion.

Off to the temple?

I assumed that was the way it was going.  I may wait outside with our new friend....Probably assuming our cleric is already known there, unless she says otherwise.....


Lots of assuming going on in my head it seems....

Keep in mind the one who asked for help with the spiders wasn't outside.

Maybe the temple can give us some glitterstones (MIC) or other support to help.....

A expensive option to deal with invisible creatures for sure 450 gold each....

Or - and I’m just spitballing here - your new friend the gnome wizard extraordinaire could, I don’t know, cast glitterdust from his prepared spells? ;-)

Hey DM, did I miss the time of day somehow? Wasn’t the area lit only by two torches prior to Krite’s spell? I figured it was evening?

No worries, you will get your chance to offer, once we find the personages of the temple...if we find them.....gulp

Mid-day. Odd how the torches are lit unless they are perhaps magic.

Will be in transit overseas for a couple of days; may or may not have access throughout. Will try to keep up; once I’ve arrived, I’ll have access again, just +7 hours from US central time.

Hopefully Coin and Krite will post soon :)

I'll shoot out a post tonight.

I’m a little confused. I thought Krite had helped them before, and furthermore, even if he hadn’t, he was expected on this day. And what did he say or do that was blasphemous?

You probably never met this man and in his eyes your being blashemous. And you did but never went inside, just talked and did dealings with them in the past. Most don't go into the temple unless they are clerics or paladins.

Forge knows this man. Plus the group doesn't know what has happened. Its a bit of a mystery. And its not unheard of to not be allowed in a church/temple armed.

Krite didn't meet everyone fron the temple :)

There's other things you can do. Like Sense Motive. Cast a spell. Things like that.

Waiting for Dungeon Master's response to my last post before I post again.
Thanks! :)

Yeah I know sorry...

Could go invisible? Bum rush the guy? Have Forge kill him? Have the cleric preach him to death? :)

No one expects the warforged slam!!!!

Been over a week so I will NPC Coin and write him off.

That’s too bad; I was looking forward to having Krite face his prejudices - and the racial trait “Hatred” that fuels it - by being forced to see not all kobolds are necessarily evil. It looked like a good RP opportunity.

DM, isn't it unusual for the spells of a cleric of that faith to not work properly
within the temple of their own deity? Isn't it logical to expect the prayers/spells
of the clergy of a God would work fully inside their own church?

Or am I missing something here?

First all your outside. You never mentioned going inside.

Secondly, there's a reason why none of your spells you casted are penetrating it. If your inside, that's different. But outside? Nope.

I don't believe anyone walked by the father who is standing in the doorway (it looks like its the only way in) to go inside watching the group. Forge might know of a different way but its probably locked and has someone waiting there. Can't just warp by him :)

Also, Coin seemed to be no longer playing (or was busy) for about 16+ days so his character is a NPC and he was removed unfortunatly.

Okay, I realize that I'm maybe taking this out of context and misunderstanding
what you were saying. However, you do understand that even in RL, even the largest
churches and temples are places where lay people (non-clergy) are welcome to come and
worship. Many churches host weddings and community gatherings, like festivals.

Right?

Unless your world is radically different and if so, I'd gratefully
appreciate an explanation given that my character is a religion based character.

Its different rules, different churches, ect. I don't get why there is such a big thing about not having any weapons going into a church which is a place of peace. Hence no weapons. I already stated this several times I believe. Just because that's your view on it doesn't mean I run it the same way. Like if you worship Moradin, bring on your weapons, do some crafting. Talk about what you want to make. Pelor, did you kill undead? Maybe? Lolth? Oh she is so evil.  Say upu worship Vencna? Different situation. Plus there is something else going on that the group doesn't know about. Or the man is holding back. Can't say anything, ect.

You want anyone to walk in, being fully armed and have them start a fight? Some people will do that. =

Sorry most don't go in ARMED unless your a cleric or a paladin. Also having a religion based character doesn't mean everything about said character has to be religion based. Biggest reason why Faolan hasn't said a word :)

Heck no one really needs a weapon to begin with:
Faolan can wildshape, got the wolf and has spells
The cleric has her spells
The warforged is a weapon and can smite with his fists
The wizard has his spells.

I'm not the kind of DM that would trap the entire group and have total party wipe. That's no fun.

I don't think I even killed off a PC on purpose other then someone leaving and would add something into it.
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Alright we're outside and none of her spells penetrate inward. Is that common or unusual?
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Well you never been here so don't have a clue. Could be a defensive thing. The group doesn't know. Could be something normal.

It was stated that people who worship Pelor do not have to remove their weapons ICly.
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DM,

What should my character be expecting to see when entering a church of Pelor?

Is Father Renold's behavior out of bounds from the other churches/temples of Pelor
she's likely encountered since leaving her own?

Would she be wrong in expecting many worshipers and possibly other clergy in
a church of this size?

I'm asking these questions because I don't want my character making presumptions
when she should know better.

You don't know as you never been to a temple like this. And its reasonable with it being in a city to avoid people walking in and starting a fight in the middle of the temple which I already stated. You've been in much smaller temples-nothing like this. He's got every reason to be defensive if that. He'd a old man that already stated 'Followers of Pelor can enter with their weapons (like clerics and paladins). I don't know how to make it more clear.

No, it is possible. But like I said you never went inside, it seems to be strange that very few people are around and the fact is you don't know anyone but the present company.

You can ask the Father any questions. Will you get a clear answer, it depends on the question. He's old, he fees like everyone is beating around the bush and he doesn't like being outside.

As for what she is preparing to see is sunlight. Symbol of Pelor. A feeling of peace. Things like that. Relaxation. But you can tell from the outside if something is good within its probably magical in nature as the outside looks well not abandoned but not overlooked.\

Riceak welcome to the game

Y-y-you! You! You let a SPELLTHIEF into the party?!??!

I protest! I protest!

Krite desperately hides his spellbooks and scrolls...as if that would help....

Welcome, Riceak. :-)

Yes, yes I did. All because I don't like you Krite. :)

We do need a lockpicker, trap stopper and scout so....

Keep in mind he'd have to use Sneak Attack to get the spell and I don't think anyone in the group would really appreciate it.

Heck he'd be better off being buddy buddy with everyone in the group :) Course winning over Faolan will be a task in itself.

I was totes joking, bossmang. Besides, his powers don't work on Krite's spellbooks or scrolls, but instead on Krite himself.

He *can* take a caster's spells if the caster is willing without STABBING. I doubt Krite would ever agree, mind you, but it is an ability those spellthieves have... I guess in that sense, it's no different than imbue with spell ability sorts of things.

I don't believe that's right, honestly. I looked it up and it states he needs to get the spell with sneak attack. Course I might allow it anyways as its not a ground breaking thing and would take a action to do it (attack or movement)  It would be pretty pointless in a fight for someone to just give the spell. Its not a auto-action. Need to be within 5', hold your hand out, give the spell, ect.

Faolan wouldn't do it either. At least not immediatly.

Krite can make scrolls and the spellthief can use them. I didn't state anything about spellbooks. Course if he gets a hold of it, he can possibly get someone to make scrolls. Spellbooks for a spellthief are pretty useless unless they got scribe scroll.

I am pretty sure that the willing target thing is true " If the target is willing, a spellthief can steal a spell with a touch as a standard action."

Seems pretty clear that if willing to share your spells you can let the spell thief have it.  Might also be useful with charm person/monster spells......

Why don't you just cast the spell yourself instead of wasting a action to give it to someone else? It doesn't really make much sense unless you want to surprise them and get them off guard but still. I guess it really depends on the situation.

I could see like a patron spellcaster, who is not going with the person on his journey could give the person an all day spell like
longstrider or something to delay the start until the spell thief casts it.....


In a party maybe my spell thief is 1st level and I want to spell thief to have detect magic as she goes to search for traps.........

If the DM wants to set something up like that. But I think between all the spellcasters, sooner or later the spellthief will get access to more spells. I personally would just play a rogue. More Sneak attack, more skill points. You lose the detect magic ability (which I don't see how it would work for detecting magical traps but if they are 'strong enough' sure) I've allowded it in the past. But really its not how Detect Magic should be even used. Like I had someone casting Detect Magic to find a invisible person.

Sorry, doesn't work. By the time they focused on it the invisible person was long gone.

Rogue can easily cast the spell with a scroll (and decent UMD) and there's other ways to get the spell. There's going to be enemies when a spellthief won't be able to use sneak attack and magic. Same as everyone else.

Welcome to our group, Riceak Stryfelaughter.

My character is the cleric, and she's a resident goody two-shoes.

Her name is Cumarinda (pronounced Koo-mar-inda).

For the most part she's pretty easy going with a few exceptions,
undead and Evil people being two of the most prominent.

So again I bid you welcome.

I run Faolan. He's a bit of a jerk but has his reasons. Part of it being in a big city with a dire wolf and he's a druid lol

From my understanding of detect magic and "seeing" invisible people, you can certainly see what square an invisible creature is in because the invisibility itself is magical and would appear. (Even an invisible stalker would be visible, because their natural invis is a Supernatural ability, and therefore shows up to magic detection. Their description says that invisibility purge fails, but only that specific spell, not see invisibility, for example.) You could therefore target that creature with an area spell and be certain you'll get them, barring Evasion, but you could not target them with magic missile because you'd have to give up concentration on detect magic and now the creature's completely invisible again.

Acid arrow or a crossbow bolt, however, you could target (because you know which square they're in), but there'd be the 50% miss chance because of total concealment.

As to our new spellthief, I can't think off the cuff of a situation where Krite needs to "loan" a spell slot to him, but that doesn't mean it won't happen SOME day. :-)

I've had this discussion SEVERAL times with people like Krite. Detect Magic for the 1st round just states something is there. It takes 3 rounds to get a definate location.

Yet in 3 rounds they can move around, get ouf the area, ect. With them moving around getting the correct area is nearly impossible. Its almost impossible to use Detect Magic on someone who is Invisible (which is a higher level spell to begin with). So yes you could use it but is it likely to even work? No. So it would mean 3 round of focus on 1 area.

I get your understanding but in a game its probably won't work unless they stand there for 3 rounds and let you find them :) There is a 1st level spell (or 2nd) called 'See Invisibility'.

It is yes a very inefficient way to  do things....

Generally it can work if  you locate  the "square"  the  thing is in, and them target the square, by the whole party.....such as  via holy water, or alchemists  fire or the like....

I do not usually recommend such blind violence by the way...too easy to kill a hostage or the like...

Greetings everyone. Apologies for not replying sooner. Was focusing on the Character app before hopping in here.

Welcome again :-)

Welcome!  I feel like I will be used as soft cover a lot, and people will be hiding in my shadow......

Looking forward to us meeting, and wrapping up our visit to the temple

Cover? No, we'll be Rocket and Groot in no time.

I knew there was a reason my head was a flat surface!!!

Hey, I get to ride the warforged!!!

Oh, wait, I'd just fall off, nevermind.

The High Priestess has referred to this temple to Pelor as her home. She consistently reacts
to everything done here as if this was her personal residence.

So far, there are no other signs of other worshipers besides herself and Father Ronald,
Right?

Was Cumarinda able to successfully cast Detect Good? If so, what were the results?

Already sent you the results. She didn't try to stop you. And yes this is her hom. Most people who are in charge live there or rather near there. I've had pastors that live within a minute of the location at a propery bought by the church. So yes its her personal residence as well as several others who live there as well. Its more of a 'mini monstary' so to speak. Not everyone lives there, some go there to worship. Also they may need guards, clerics, paladins and other of their faith. Heck Forge is a blacksmith that lives right outside. And no one has made a appearance other then Father Reynold and Val. That doesn't mean there is no one else in the temple. Magical dtectors. Invisibility. Some may be asleep. Also Val told the group some are out and about so keep that in mind.
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Thank you.

I understand that the Detect Good has confirmed the High Priestess is of good alignment and intentions.

However, the Detect Good spell lasts for 10 minutes per level, which means it's going to last for the following hour,
detecting all Good aligned within a 60-foot cone in any direction she turns.

So, I'd like to suggest that instead of pointing out all the Good aligned people or things (unless they are very powerfully good),
it might be worth noting all the people, places, or things that are not Good aligned. Including the members of her party.

Otherwise, she should have a solid idea of who and what is Good and who isn't within a few minutes.

Also, I would tend to believe that any clergy of Pelor would recognize their version of Detect Good and that in casting that spell,
Cumarinda probably identified herself as a member of Pelor's clergy.

Well for starters that doens't tell you they aren't 'good'.  Also you have to study the area so yes it can last for 18 minutes. You speifically stated you were casting it upon her and I stated whethever she was of good. Its not like 'Shes not good kill her! Ahhh!' Seriously not everyone is black and white. Not every person you come across will be 'evil'. There's other alingments as well. plus actions. So you want to look at a chair? Oh. Not good. Kill it. Pew? Run! Its not good. Yes you did and announce your a follower of Pelor. And they did so that's pretty null and void.

So I'm viewing it as 'Your not good so your must be evil'. No. That's not how everything works. You need to -focus- on a area, study it and you'll get more information. Its a lot like Detect Magic. There's other ways to change alingmements as well so its tough. It depends on who your talking to (or what). Not everyone that is Good will acted Good. And some evil will do good things.

Also the High Priestess is willing to help, give you food and shelter so you reacted by casting Detect Good? Not everyone out there is ready to kill the group. I get why you casted it though but if someone is willing to help you out.....

Example if someone casted the spell on me would I glow? No. I'm more neutral. It really depends on how you view the spell, what the other react to it (not everyone here would know what you casted).

Stating 'Detect Good' on the High Cleric so that's what I did. You'd been focused on her the entire time. Your in a Pelor Temple. Not all clercy are spellcasters by the way. Some are normal people. Some are warriors. Not everyone knows what a spell cast looks like.

I don't want to get into a long argument and everyone has their own point of view so I suggest that we still need IC posts to continue this game :)

Question -- mending and make whole specifically state that they do not work on constructs. There are repair ((word)) wounds spells in the 3.5 codex which do. (Not that Krite knows any of them.)

How are you running constructs and healing? Warforged in DDO, for example, benefit fully from the repair spells, but still get some (half) healing from cure spells. This is not, of course, DDO, so Krite needs information since he might have to shoulder the burden of healing the Warforged...

Krite doesn't have any of the repair spells, but he does have a really high Knowledge (Arcane) and Spellcraft bonus (+16 and +17, respectively) so I figure he probably knows about simple spells like repair light wounds and a fair amount about how constructs work.

You'd know you would need repair spells to heal Forge up. Warforged only heals half of anything related to cure spells. So yeah you need to have repair spells to have full healing stuff.

Thanks. That's certainly going to direct his magical interests for a while, once he realizes/accepts he's part of the party.

Not now, of course. The Warforged paladin is just a curious acquaintance so far.

Between the cleric, the druid and the paladin who can heal his own wounds I think he's fine :)

In terms of self repair......

*Lay on Hands (Su):  Repair Damage (Su): Beginning at 2nd level, a warforged
paladin with a Constitution score of 12 or higher can repair damage dealt to
any constructor living construct (including himself) by touch.
Each day he can repair a total number of hit points of damage equal to his
paladin level × his Constitution bonus.
For example, a 7th-level warforged paladin with this substitution feature and a
Constitution score of 16 can repair 21 points of damage per day.
A warforged paladin can choose to divide his repair ability among multiple
recipients, and he doesn't have to use it all at once. Using repair damage is a
standard action.
Alternatively, a warforged paladin can use any or all of this power on living
creatures, healing damage equal to one-half the number of points of repair
expended.
Unlike the paladin's lay on hands ability, this ability cannot be used to deal
damage to undead.
This substitution feature replaces the standard paladin's lay on hands ability.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 300):

I agree about continuing on with more IC posts, so I'm going to reply to this message to continue the discussion in PM so that the game can continue.

Why that was nice o' you ('specially because I *don't* get Labor Day off). I put +1 in Concentration and Spellcraft.

Normally on holidsys I give out bonuses :)

Happy Labor Day, and thank you!

+1 should be placed into misc or extras not actual ranks :)

Waiting on Forge and Krite to post ICly and I should be able to get the spellthief in soon.

super busy with work yesterday!

I didn't do a thing yesterday, had the day off paid :)

Rolling Knowledge (Local) about the crypt and its history (if you prefer K(history), it's the same bonus):

08:09, Today: Krite Singlebraid rolled 25 using 1d20+6 ((19)).

woo hoo! a natural 19! :-)

Might be time to get out of the temple and just get to know the city proper...I get the impression that stormreach is a complex place.....

Well you never heard of a buriel area in the docks. So its probably a secret or known to the people who live in the docks. You'd have to go to the docks and investigate but honestly its very minor. Also even if you got the skill, depending on where you are and whatnot you might not know the answer. Course with a 25 you probably do. In this case, history or local won't work. Sorry Krite. Even the High Priestess didn't know :) I don't believe you were even there to investigate :)


Arcana (ancient mysteries, magic traditions, arcane symbols, cryptic phrases, constructs, dragons, magical beasts)

Architecture and engineering (buildings, aqueducts, bridges, fortifications)

Dungeoneering (aberrations, caverns, oozes, spelunking)

Geography (lands, terrain, climate, people)

History (royalty, wars, colonies, migrations, founding of cities)

Local (legends, personalities, inhabitants, laws, customs, traditions, humanoids)

Nature (animals, fey, giants, monstrous humanoids, plants, seasons and cycles, weather, vermin)

Nobility and royalty (lineages, heraldry, family trees, mottoes, personalities)

Religion (gods and goddesses, mythic history, ecclesiastic tradition, holy symbols, undead)

The planes (the Inner Planes, the Outer Planes, the Astral Plane, the Ethereal Plane, outsiders, elementals, magic related to the planes)

The Knowledge (whichever) skills aren't a panacea. At a 25, Krite's probably absolutely certain that it must be a closely-held secret, since he's never heard of it.

No, I wasn't there to investigate -- just wanted to know if I knew about the crypts. And if so, what did I know. Might have been a famous deathtrap haunted by a ban sidhe that we REALLY didn't want to go into, who can say?

He reads a lot, and he's interested in things, but he's also (as you said when I was doing generation) that he's fairly new to Stormhaven.

Well you would def know its a well kept secret if even a secret :)

Well you'd probably know what buriel crypts are but nothing about the actual crypt the group was in.

Back in the States.

My apologies, I have been going through some medical issues that have taken my concentration away from our game. I will be getting back in focus soon. Thanks for your patience.

In reply to Cumarinda Imbrex (msg # 322):

I'm very sorry to hear that, Cumarinda. All my best wishes for your good health.

Thank you. I guess it's some of the side effects of becoming yet another year older.

Yes I just took "stable income" as a literal statement.....

One of my friends got into a car accident so I have been busy taking care of her. Sorry :( Lost a friend, lost her car, been pretty stressful!

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 326)

Alright, take your time getting back to the game. We can wait until you're ready.

I was the last person to post anyways so waiting on the group.

In reply to Cumarinda Imbrex (msg # 327):

Like Cumarinda said; take care of you and your friend.

Sorry she lost a friend and totaled her car. Not me. I'm so out of it.

Love it how MW doesn't mention getting yelled at and someone dying like 10' away but mentions food lol

I'll shoot out a post tommorow, sorry for the delay. Been tired.

Was hoping the cleric was going to post. So everyone minus the cleric is in the dining hall (I think Faolan will go) so the cleric and priestess can speak in private?

Just making sure before I post tommorow. Been busy between work and my friend.

Will happily engage in an in-character conversation with Riceak -- Krite loves a good conversation -- but before I get carried away on that, I assume we should let others post?

Or are you going to divide us into threads?

You can keep going if you want. Been waiting on the cleric.

So the warforged is in the forge, the wizard and spellthief are in the dining hall, and the druid and cleric are in the main hall?

Also did the two in the dining hall eat or no?

Krite's in the dining hall with Riceak, yes.

Krite will happily nibble on scones and tea; he's not terribly worried about being poisoned in a  Temple of Pelor!

Sorry folks. Been sick all day. Think its just a nasty cold, and I'm doped up on Nyquil. I'm feeling better for now.

Sorry, I've been in the hospital for the last few days. I'm out now and feeling much better.

Oh, man! I'm glad you're feeling better, Cumarinda.

DM down! Cleric down! RUN AWAY RUN AWAY! AHHHH!!!

You guys have *GOT* to start making your Fortitude saves!

Quick thing so no one brought weapons inside other then the cleric and warforged correct?

Krite was terribly amused about leaving his crossbow and dagger behind. THAT'S not what makes him dangerous! (But yes, he left his weapons at the entrance.)

Yes.