I'm not waiting for you, and I'm also not one to talk!

Hope you're RL stuff is ok!

No worries Carmen, just curious how you were doing since your posting rate had dropped over the weekend.

Myself, i had some other things to do as well before the meeting, so timewise i'm still an hour out in said other thread. No need to hurry ^^

Basically, I got a boyfriend now and have been a liiiitttttllleee obsessed . . .

In reply to Carmen Gorgon (msg # 25):

Just curious, but was this around the time you started sleeping with Carver? :P

Actually nope, this is new as of January 7th. Sleeping with Carver is entirely about controlling him actually—it’s to make him obey Carmen better.

...carmen bring more lovey dove recently might be related tho....

Hmm... I think i may have found an approximation of what Terran sounds like, as well as the general flavor of Adrika's tribal culture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rClD6sf8wjQ

...not only is it a good listen, it reminded me I still needed to wishlist the new Hellblade sequel coming out.

So in terms of Being Evil, i've recently come across the following:

https://www.kickstarter.com/pr...ath-of-the-righteous

And oh my, am i looking forward to that one :P

I don't know that Pathfinder is well suited to being played as a video game; also it's generally not really my preferred type of videogame, I tend to favor older titles to newer ones.

Have you actually ever read the Adventure Path in question? I found it's an interesting one, especially books 1 and 4, but I feel like the ending is a bit lacking overall. It's still good, but there's others I like more.

Oh these are the same guys that did Kingmaker, and from what I know of the module it's pretty damn accurate. The company put a LOT of effort into recreating the battle and world systems in interesting ways, even keeping morality decisions and choose-your-own-adventure sections. I dunno, if you see it on sale, I'd pick it up.

I haven't tried the Kingmaker videogame either, although I did heard good things about it - and that's objectively one of the most interesting Adventure Paths too. Have you tried it yourself, Carmen? I'd be curious to get an informed opinion.

Alas, my computer can't exactly handle it, so I've only made it through the first module--but what I saw I really liked. It really does feel like a video game version of the game--not trying to make it a direct translation (no dice rolls, for one); but rather stay faithful to the spirit of the game. I dunno, I really liked it, and if I could actually finish the game without tanking my cpu I would.

(That . . . is the one major complaint I have. Its graphically intensive and I dont have a gaming pc XD)

I see; that would definitely be a problem for me too since my PC isn't really a gaming type either - honestly whenever I play I mostly use emulation to run older consoles and older games. So that'd be a pretty heavy limit for me too.

Of course, the very fact that I favor older games over new ones is probably part of the reason why I haven't gotten a gaming PC in the first place - I sort of never feel the need; the most recent game I've player is Galactic Civilization II (which is awesome) and that one is at least six or seven years old, I think (I do have the latest update they did before publishing GC3). So there's that.

Kingmaker... I played it, and in all honesty, it feels like it's a good module that's run by an inexperienced DM.

It can be fun, but random encounters end up all over the place (you have three goblins one moment and run into an Elder Water Elemental the next) and there's some other stuff that's badly indicated or doesn't make much sense, but in my experience it won't actually crash on you or feature a number of bugs.

In reply to Adrika (msg # 36):

That's more or less what I would expect - it's very hard for a computer to compensate for all the complexities a human player with access to even just a limited portion of the Pathfinder ruleset would be able to bring into play. Which would still make for a pretty good videogame, I expect, especially by today's standards, but does means that I'd be ever less willing to take a bet on the Wrath of the Righteous one.

Basically, Wrath is a more complex Adventure Path than Kingmaker in several respects, and from what I read, the new one is gonna include even more rules, including Mythics, which is hard to handle even for human GMs who really know what they're doing.

I've heard great things about Kingmaker, though I've never played it myself.

On the one hand I agree Wrath will take more rules for them to implement. OTOH, there are some aspects to having a computer manage things like Mythic abilities and Mythic feats/spells/etc that would probably be easier for the computer to manage than a Human GM simply because it is so complex and there are so many variables/things to keep track of when playing.

Fair point; it's certainly a wortwhile experiment to attempt if nothing else, and I might not play the game but I am definitely happy somebody out there is getting to enjoy these things in some form, who would otherwise never have tried to.

Oh yeah, i agree, which is why i said 'inexperienced' rather than 'bad'. Back when i played there were a few things of note i looked up (such as where to find the Treasurer the quest log was expecting me to already have found) and a certain boss battle that i was having trouble with until i figured out swarming them in summons is a perfectly acceptable and viable tactic. Then there was a couple of wisps on a story map i had to fight my way past that i had no idea how to actually hurt (a problem they did not have).

So yeah, the module is pretty good (keep in mind that, like the actual Adventure, you're on a timer throughout), but save often since at times the DM seems to consider CR some kind of sports drink.

Well, to be fair there's nothing inherently wrong with having high CR creatures around when the player is low level if it makes sense for them to be there. I mean this very game has you sharing a house with a group of people who, if they banded together, would probably make for a CR 12 or so encounter (Thorn + Wolfram + Tiadora + Redwood), but they're not going to just jump up and fight you out of nowhere. I expect a PC would have a tougher time adjudicating that.

Speaking of which, how does the game handles the more political "king interactions" portions of Kingmaker? Are they jettisoned entirely, or did the game find a way to include them?

Yeah, the high level Elder Water Elemental i mentioned a few posts back was a random encounter a couple of hours away from my capitol. It was faster than half my party, could one-hit my tank and had Cleave, so the 'battle' (i it could be called that) was watching it gib two or three characters per attack. This was right after a random encounter with like 5 goblins which i wiped taking zero damage. Then there's one occasion where the main story sends you to an area map, and straying off it for too far has you run into a group of level 18 Dire Boars... while you're level 6.

Politics... Never played the module, so i'll just describe how it works in the game. I recall you set up people as your advisers, and can then be sent out to deal with stuff. When in your Town Hall, they're shown as character cards which you can assign to mission cards. Said missions have a duration (say, 7 days) and an expiration date, with a roll being made at the end of it to see if it was a fail, a success or a crit success. Not sending someone on that mission is an auto-fail. The effects of missions is basically stats for your kingdom, and every 10 points in (for example) Culture unlocks a level up mission where you can get a +1 on Culture rolls, but takes up two weeks of you and your adviser's time, and forces you to eat a timeskip for some odd reason so you cannot react to any emergencies that might pop up in the meantime. Most stat increases to your kingdom come from constructing buildings.

If i may give some advice, try to get Arcane to level 3. It grants you the ability to build Teleportation Circles in your settlements, which should cut travel time down tremendously, especially over areas with more difficult terrain. As someone who tends to explore a lot, this is pretty much what you want so you won't end up running short on main mission time.

Anyway, it's like i said. Some derpyness on behalf of the AI DM, but overall an enjoyable experience. Just be sure to get a mod that unlocks all alignment based dialogue options so you don't feel you're not Evil enough to pick one.

As I said, I probably couldn't even run the game on my computer (which is a Laptop and thus inherently less powerful for games by default), but it's just interesting hearing about the experience nonetheless.

Although I must say I was a bit surprised they went with Kingmaker and now Wrath rather than starting with Rise of the Runelord or Curse of the Crimson Throne - both of those two have plots that are a lot better suited to a standard videogame experience.

Maybe it's because they are harder to convert to PC format. It'd make for a bigger Kickstarter audience...

Fair point - Kingmaker especially is enough of a fan favorite and up there with Crimson Throne for quality, so it makes for a reasonable first choice. But I'd still not have expected Wrath, of all things, to be the second; that one is a somewhat controversial AP, in terms of its perceived quality.

Rise of the Runelords has just been done to absolute death by a lot of other platforms- for example, the Pathfinder Adventure card game, the first story arc of the comic, the fact it's had two editions released (original and anniversary)...

Kingmaker's been the subject of one other game (the MMO is sort-of related to it, even if it is a pile of- well... let's just say I'm not a fan).

There are lots of other APs out there that could use the game treatment, but between Kingmaker and now WotR, well... I was kind of hoping for something like Jade Regent, but... if Owlcat gets to make a third or more... I could see them going with something like Hell's Rebels.

I personally dislike almost all MMO, so you're not going to offend me with that complaint. :)

Also, no love for Curse of the Crimson Throne? I always thought that one was among the best of the lot, quality-wise... although I must confess that my personal favourite is Serpent's Skull. It's a mess, but it's just my kind of mess, and I've put a lot of thought into ways to fix it so it'd be deserving of being played.

I think you said me before that you loved Jade Regent; I'd be curious to hear why! ^_^