In reply to Zhira al-Darea (msg # 797):
 Zhira, i wasn’t aware you wanted a wall. I can oblige if necessary.
 Otherwise simply bulrush them close together for now.

In reply to Qvan Ibn Hamid (msg # 800):

I mean, 600 ft is quite a lot of distance to cover. I don't need a wall, necessarily, but if I have an unyielding surface to throw them on, that means more damage. If there isn't one, I'll do something different; it's just a possibility that seemed worth bringing up.

Is throwing them into an ally better or worse? I was thinking of dimension door-ing behind the daemon and attacking.

The problem is that I'm far enough away that I can't attack right now, and I can't move and attack in the surprise round since I only get a standard or a move action, not both. I could quicken dimension door and then attack though that's a bit of a waste of a spell slot.

In reply to Musa Agasi (msg # 802):

The enemy and whatever I throw them into (wall, another enemy, ally) BOTH take the same amount of damage. This guy being gargantuan, depending on my roll, that could mean as much as 10d8 bludgeoning damage all at once. Are you comfortable with taking that kind of hit? Because I wouldn't be.

 Feels like we're going in circles, if it helps move things along I'll do the wall.

I think having it pass through L and M 24 would do just fine where I'm concerned.

...you did? I missed that; I though you only put it on your blade, and imagined it was some sort of "personal only" type spell.

I'll add the numbers in; I can't see anything to indicate the Sacred bonus isn't doubled on a crit, so that's +4. And, assuming the Daemon is actually vulnerable to fear conditions, having it be shaken is a pretty nice thing to add onto the attack, so thanks! :)
This message was last edited by the player at 13:29, Wed 25 Nov 2020.

Yup! Post 172 in the game thread. It is not self only, although it's a minor enough effect I only bother with it when we have lots of pre-combat prep-time. I probably should have cast it on Rictor and Aryk's weapons as well, but I forgot.

Yes, by my read the damage should be doubled.

Anything that adds damage to my attack is worth a lot more than it might seem at first glance. For example, I've currently used the "Training" property I added to my scimitar on "Big Game Hunter", one that grants +1 attack and +2 damage against Large+ opponents, and that's better for me than a slew of other possible feats I could have gotten instead, just by virtue of the way my build works.

I will generally go for 1 attack + 1 bull rush per turn, almost always hitting and often getting crits, so making sure that one attack counts and that the crits have good riders on them is more important to me than things like Haste, since I wouldn't be getting the extra attacks in anyway. So, extra damage (Sacred especially, since that's not a type I generally have covered, is very cool) AND a critical rider is great.

Obviously, getting extra "to hit" is even better, because that gives me more distance on the bull-rushes (it's why I went for a Bane Leveraging weapon rather than a number of possible "Burst" options), but those are just about the hardest bonuses to get, so extra damage is really more than good. Thus, thanks for handing it out! ^_^
This message was last edited by the player at 14:29, Wed 25 Nov 2020.

That would be correct, according to the normal rules.

I want to make it clear for everybody that I can only deflect spells, spell-like abilities, or physical attacks - which I believe doesn't include either auras or breath weapons; somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm also Lawful Neutral, which apparently in this fight is going to matter. And since I hit the Olaetrodaemon (and by the way, if after 200 damage it's only "lightly wounded", that's a bit worrying, isn't it?), I get a +2 to my saves from my Bolstering armor.

16:29, Today: Zhira al-Darea rolled 28 using 1d20+15.  Reflex Save

So, I'm going to spend one of my three daily uses my Swirling Smoke Tattoo to reroll my save with a +4 bonus to it; that's an immediate action, AKA I have no swift action next turn.

16:32, Today: Zhira al-Darea rolled 23 using 1d20+19.  Reflex Save Tattoo reroll.

And that's a fail again. So this is going to hurt a lot. I'll gain 1 tension point from it, at least, so there's that.

I'll repost all this in my IC post when I get around to that, but since I don't know what the rest of you might want to do, and you all probably had no idea I couldn't stop breath weapons, I thought it important to let you know about all this.

Well, I mentioned that increasing the HP of the enemies will be required to give you guys a challenge every now and then, and facing-off against two CR 20 monsters should be a challenge for a level 18 party :)

We'll see how this goes, but I'm convinced that you will find a way to deal with this as well. Too many possible 'fail and suck' spells and abilities out there to swing the tight of battle with one turn alone.

In reply to Aenarion (msg # 811):

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is too much or anything; just that we might need to really go all out to take these things down. Which, really, isn't that big of a problem, it's just gonna make things a bit more risky than usual. :)

Okay.  So Aryk is gonna take 120 points of damage, which is significantly more than half his HP.  What's the DC for the Fort save?

In reply to Aryk (msg # 813):

...wasn't it supposed to be a Reflex save?

Yeah, failed the reflex save.  Took 120 out of 178 after ER.

Is there not a massive damage rule about needing a fort save after taking >half your HP in one hit?

Did the daemon end its turn next to me/is it vulnerable to blinding? My blinding aura means it must make a fort save (DC 26), on a failure its blinded for 1d4 rounds, on a success blinded for one round.

...if there is, I definitely fell afoul of it as well, since 130 is more than half my 256 (128 would be half). But I thought that was a optional rule, and thus it wouldn't be in vigor here seeing as the GM didn't mention so anywhere.

By the way, I just read your psionic power, and it seems like it would boost the damage of my attacks, right? If so, could you tell me how much? I mean, assuming you can beat the monster's 31 SR, since the GM said you need to and I imagine if you don't the power is fully ineffectual rather than merely applying the reduced effect from a failed save.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:37, Thu 26 Nov 2020.

That's the spirit! :D


Good call. Olethrodaemons are susceptible to being blinded, but can only fail the save on a natural 1. It rolled a 43, so is not affected.


Massive damage is indeed an optional rule which we will not be using.

Unfortunately I rolled a 30 for spell power, failing by 1.

If he had passed the SR, there would've been a will save.  If it passes the will save, it will take one extra point of damage per dice of damage.  If it fails, it takes MAX DAMAGE, plus one point per dice (ie. 10d8 would be 90 points; 10 x (8+1)).

10d8 was the hammer damage though; what for the attack damage?

To clarify, that'd be 4d6 for the huge scimitar (8d6 on a critical), then three more times that for Vital Strike which is 12d6, and then 2d6 for holy, and then 2d6 for bane; that's 20d6 (24d6 for a critical). Would the increase happen to ALL of those dice, or only the scimitar? Because, well, that's a SIGNIFICANT difference. The sort of significant where, if it applies to them all, I'd definitely say you should try it again, if you can... although I don't know what other powers you might have; maybe you've something else that could make more of a difference.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:10, Thu 26 Nov 2020.

It would be all damage for 19 rounds (1/CL), or until it took a std action to make another will save.

I attempted it again; failed harder.

If someone can heal me I would appreciate it.  If I take another breath weapon hit I'll be disintegrated.

Ouch that breath hurt!
And i shifted into a high dex creature for this specifically!

I’ve rolled 27, unless there’s a circumstantial bonus for being a tiny flying fey at the very edge of the cone of negative energy, I take the full damage... well at least I resist 10 of it, so I’m down to 72/192

In reply to Qvan Ibn Hamid (msg # 823):

Probably you should try to heal yourself and Aryk then; with 5 Tension on my side, I should be able to survive one attack for sure, and Reflex is my weakest defense by a substantial margin.