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One in ... and two working on it

OK, one in, one very close, and two working on it...

OK, we now have three players in and two more working up characters...  and a rather diverse group too.

Those of you who are in may introduce yourselves OOC  here... we'll see if you meet up in game ... right now it looks like I may be running 5 threads for a while.

I suppose I'll start things off then.

I'm looking forward to playing with you all and to learning more about your characters.

Iain is a native of northern Zornath where he serves as a Ranger of the regions forests and woodlands as his father did before him. Loyal to the Duke, both for personal and professional reasons, Iain is a well known and normally welcome face at the hearths and homes of the areas more rural residents.

A family man in his early thirties, he lives in a modest Lodge and relies upon a small number of Journeymen and their Apprentices to patrol the vast area for which he is responsible. It is not an easy life, between maintaining the small network of small cabins and huts, regulating the taking of lumber, firewood and game by the locals as well as fulfilling specific requests for the tables of the Nobility on short notice.

Despite being empowered to enforce the local laws, Iain is of common birth and humble means. As much a regulator as an active member of the community, he helps his neighbors where he can and has developed a good reputation over the years.

The looming threat of civil war hangs heavily upon him, and he quietly fears living under a D'Astard reign. While he is no soldier, the writ that has secured his lands and pension was signed by the late Grand Duke himself, and he would see his son inherit and his lands left in peace if it can be helped by the baring of arms or some other aid to the usurped Duke.

Also looking forward to this, especially interacting with the other characters.

Runt (see description) is a guttersnipe in the capital who is a somewhat recognizable fixture around the city gates, docks, and caravan yards.  Basically anywhere that visitors to the capital are likely to be entering.  When he isn't performing for change (flute and singing rather expertly) or panhandling, he hires himself out as a guide to newcomers to the capital.

In the aftermath of the coup, he is very skittish.

Mustafa is a young river/lake trader. He was attacked one day by an estuarine shark as they sailed near the rivers mouth and he was in the water repairing the rudder. Attacking the shark with what he had to hand, he was able to run the blade of his knife through the creatures throat as he sat astride it, having managed to just dodge it's first pass. The shark was dragged ashore, and he skinned it to make the leather armour he wears regularly now.

Since then, he has learned to maintain his equipment: Leatherworking for his armour and slings, learnt from the tanner he hired to make his armour, and masonry to create smooth sling bullets from stone. Unfortunately, the upheaval in Catheran has adversely effected trade, so he finds himself looking of other work...

Looks like quite  mix we have...

We do seem to have three characters that are experts in their own environments.

A riverene merchant, a big city busker and a woodland ranger.

I'll admit, I was expecting an eastern or southern character from you Mustafa, based on the naming conventions.

How old is your character Runt?

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 8):

It's actually hiding in the character description, but he is 7 1/2, but due to his small stature most folks take him to be between 5 and 6.

Yeah, very interesting mix (and we didn't even plan it out).

Couple of quick questions - well one quick and one potentially longer.

Anyway, what is starting cash?

And on the subject of money, what is the approximate size of the various coins (even though I know that there will be variables between coins due to the minting methods).

Thanks.

Starting cash is a function of your wealth level... I'd expect Runt is Poor or close to it...  so a -15 disadvantage...

Money size/diameter is as follows:
    Copper/Bronze Coins
Farthing -  1 Cm or .40 inches
Half Pennies - 2 Cm or .8 Inches
1 Copper Penny - 2.5 Cm or 1 inch
    Silver Coins
Silver Piece or Stag - 1.25 Cm or ½ inch
5 sp is a Florin - 2.5 Cm or 1 inch
    Gold Coins
10 sp is a crown - 1 Cm or .40 inches
1 gp is a sovereign - 1.5 Cm or .60 inches
5 gp is a pound, or Guinea -  2.5 Cm or 1 inch

Thickness varies a bit, with Farthings and Crowns being rather thin and the Penny, florin and Pound being a bit thicker.
The Crown is not popular as it is so easy to lose ... the rest are regularly used... farthings are easy to lose too, but no one much cares.

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 11):

Sorry, poorly asked there, I meant Average starting wealth ($1000 or $2000).

Ah, I'm guessing that the crown is a gold coin.  And Runt would care about losing a farthing.  On the other hand, since they are easily lost by people who aren't bothered by that, he just might find a nice amount of lost ones (his eyes are much closer to the ground ;-) ).

Thanks for the answers.

Iain has Average wealth and started with $1000 for equipment, etc.

What's up all.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 13):

Me too, I am guessing. That was what I spent, anyway!

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 14):

Hello, welcome to the bunch.  (as Runt stays carefully just out of reach)

And a...pimp?

Going to be a lot of different stories getting told!

LOL thanks Runt
Yep you got it Iain
This message was last edited by the player at 00:12, Thu 20 June 2019.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 18):

It's not personal, he stays carefully out of reach of most adults.  ;-)


Hmmm, if you're in the capital then Runt very possibly has guided some customers to your "stable" so to speak.  He's got high levels of Street Smarts and a good score in Streetwise.

They grow up so fast.

Grinning


Funny thing was I was thinking runt would fit in well with the group.

And the Priests would love him :)


Joking

Honestly though our stories seem to mesh well together.

My girls are high class, enjoy them as you like.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:25, Thu 20 June 2019.

Um, at his age that activity is not interesting (even if he knows what's going on).  Now a bit of cold hard cash might be appreciated.

But at least they would know each other.  And yes, he should fit in and could even be of use, at least until his bedtime. ;-)

So already you have started to team up ;-)

I will try and get this game moving, but the next few days will be tough... Tomorrow my Brother turns 83... I am his guardian and he is not well... Saturday my youngest leaves for 9 months in Faroffistan, I just got my Oldest back from there in February, so I am not pleased.

That's rough. Here's hoping that your youngest has an uneventful trip downrange.

And that your Brother is in as much peace as he can be.

LOL, cash it is.

Yeah, we will soon own this town.

Real life comes first.

Wish your bro a happy birthday, from us and I hope he feels better.

I know it can be hard caring for a loved one.




Had to google that one.

Top definition

Faroffistan
A location or country somewhere away from where you are, so far that you didn't know that you didn't know where it was.


Downrange?
Oh military.

That's a tough one, all you can do is support him and remember letters are gold.

I hope my advice and wishes are appropriate and taken well.
I have been in the service and am currently working as a caregiver.

No rush, we can goof off for a while.

Thoughts and prayers for your youngest.

I have quite a bit of military time... 26 years. It  seems to run in the family.
All my brothers and my sister, two of my sons and both my parents served in one way or another in Uniform.

I think it happens that way all around the world. The whole family following suit, its the same pretty much for my family.

26 years, man that's a long time. Kinda wish I had did the same could have been retired long ago.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:57, Thu 20 June 2019.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 28):

Just started myself. None of the immediate family serving or have served, but I did my time in Farofistan as a civilian. Kyrgyzstan, to be a little more exact...

Happy Birthday to your brother.

I wonder if all us military role-play, love coincidences.

@Iain a hunter?
This message was last edited by the player at 13:12, Thu 20 June 2019.

Regional Ranger/Forester up north.

Yeah Hunter.

GRIN

Joking


Is that Ranger like police or Nature type?

More of a rural law enforcement type, yeah.

Medieval Ranger rather than fantasy Ranger.

Google medieval ranger.

Seems like their archers that know the woods like the back of their hands.


Not sure the difference between medieval and fantasy rangers.


There was a show on TV called Walker Texas Ranger,  that was cop style ranger.
And nature type to my understand is pretty much how it was described above.

Depending on which sources and time periods, a medieval Ranger is like a minor office. An individual paid by the nobility to maintain and protect a certain stretch of rural area. The older version of our current Park Rangers.

Fantasy Rangers that have cropped up in modern fiction tend to be more protecting nature for nature's sake, might know magic, and would normally have some sort of unusually intelligent animal following them around.

Some Ranger Lodges were sort of like small fortified buildings or compounds apparently, especially later in history. I suppose it makes sense when you live in the middle of nowhere and have a dangerous job.

Ahh ok, now I got it. Must be a history buff, your know and explanation where very clear.

Care to defect ... lol ... even Rangers need release.

I just realized our gm runs travesty too.

Well, did run... it's on ice... did you play in that?

No I was taking a look at all gurps games when I first came back and that was one of the ones I was eyeing.

It ran around 10 years total and I have run out of ideas ... At some point I may restart it with new characters doing different things in the same world. The world has had a lot of development, I hate to waste it.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 39):

Ah, what other games you eyeballing? A few of us have played in a lot of them!

Don't waste it, different characters different, stories in same world.

Truth is I have looked at all of them Applied to 4, got accepted to three.

One game I think I overwhelmed gm with all the allies I wanted, started making a backstory for all them, was actually turning into a book...lol

I was really getting into it.

I think I made him say you know what I will just keep the guys I had.

The travelers games seemed nice too, but never really played those.

I might in the end applying to them all, but I have to see how much each one demands of me.

I have done similar things in the past, then all of a sudden them all become active and I am like oh crap, I am either posting one liners, or writing 3 hours.


Yeah that's a fair honest answer that insults no one. I might want to play there in future..he he you can't trap me.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 42):

Lol, nobody is looking to trap you. At least, as far as I am aware. But do go just where you are comfortable. I do run one of the Traveler ones, but if you are not comfortable there, then don't. I would prefer 3 players who enjoy the game than 6 where only half actually want to be there.

As I said I like gurps, and don't rule any of them out.

Just don't know much about it. Though did once find an online pathfinder character generator, was fun to mess with.

No if I request I really do want it, later it may or may not be what I expected.

Was trying to think of games I would rule out, but even those have exceptions.

I like character creation, so heavily template games, are not my usual thing, But I joined one because I liked the concept, of gamers in a game world.

GURPS is a great system, easily my favorite, but I tend to run very "realistic" games.

It's not everybodies cup of tea...

Think this is the most realistic one I joined. Normally realistic normal guys work best for me in horror games.

But this gm was nice enough to work with me so that this character was acceptable to us both.


Yeah he put limits on me....lol


But it worked out good I think.


Think it was like 50 or 60 pms, before we make this guy.

Just looked 56
This message was last edited by the player at 06:44, Fri 21 June 2019.

Have to go to sleep got new job, I can soon afford meat again.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 42):

I am not really a big time Space reader or follower... but joined Mustafa's Traveler Game... it's been fun although he sometimes has to teach me ...

That's a fair amount of back and forth Kory, but it is a non-standard concept to be sure.

It sounds like we still have one more working behind the scenes?

We do, but I am not sure how much time he is going to have to make up a Character...  so I'll start without him, soon as I get a chance.

I've started two threads, one in the Capital and the other in Zornath, where I am presuming both Lain and Mustafa are.

I'm letting everyone read all the threads since it is fun to know the story...but if we start having player knowledge affecting character behavior, I'll have to run them as separate groups.

I'll try to get the rest of my stuff finished and read the other threads.  Fridays and Saturdays are very busy days for me (lots of Estate Sales!!!!).  I'll certainly have something up by Sunday.

Wow way to start a story, with a WAR!!!

Just a coup ... but becoming a war perhaps.

Kory going to war, forget the region...lol

Wow Iain your like a role playing monster

Thanks man. Did you mean just the frequency or did you like the dialogue?

I like the whole style, page from a book.

You can tell you ain't new to this, looked so professional.

Honestly its like your telling a story, mostly I would say the description in post. Hitting the sensory info like a second gm.

That post would have serious taken me a few hours to think up, edit and probably not get it that right.

Most definitely will hit the dialogue part. Yep its the detail.

Well thank you. I really appreciate that.

No problem, just surprised me in good way, Their where a few games on here where it was like regular thing, I would feel bad, because There where these people who could consistently, write like that. The whole thread became a novel. It was a gurps martial arts game, and for the life of me I forget the name.

It was at least 5 years ago, think I have been off this site that long.

Kinda sad to see GURPS community grow as small as it has at this moment, this is one of those sites that stay with you, even after you leave.

I know what you mean, I have run across more than a few talented writers here on RPoL that have inspired me to up my game.

As far as the GURPS system is concerned, yeah, it might be aging. I see an absolute ton of Free Form games being played, people seem to like that, but even the new games coming out seem to be very minimal, and some don't even include things like character death.

It's pretty much becoming story time, or failing that, things you can play half drunk around a table without much effort.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:54, Sat 22 June 2019.

I definitely agree.

But too me once I found GURPs, most other system became meh.

Love the Idea, of designing your guy the way you want him, within the limits of points and the gaming world's reality.

I usally got other systems only if I have joined all the gurps games I wanted to join and my rping itch still ain't scratched.

I have even tried discord sessions.

In the in this play by post is most best route for me, you play, reread and has super flexible schedule.

I have tried free-form games and some are real good stories.

The best type where the God games. Where each God had like one action, and the GM narrated the results.

But without rules, most free form games  kinda grew stale too me.


I don't want to be slaughtered by gm, but have a chance to die, makes it fun to play.

Though it would suck to make a new character its all part of the fun when done right.

I noticed you rolled initiative Kory, and I was just curious.

It's been my experience that everybody just acts in the order of highest "Basic Speed".

Are we using something else with this game?

Yes and no... when I don't have a CS for antagonist, I don't have a basic speed... so we roll it off... and I use 3d6 to do it...

Thanks, good to know.

A map of Cupeth Castle and environs is uploaded to group 1 ... mostly for those  who are there.  You entered down Thay road from the forests to the North.

Thanks for all the maps, love maps.

I think the dice roller here has it in for me.  (rolling eyes)

We all feel that way sometimes.

LOL we are at same spot now.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 69):

A'yup

In reply to Runt (msg # 70):

Maps updated, thanks.

Heh, Iain is with an "I" , like "Ian" only old fashioned. Pronounced something like "Ee'en"

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 72):

OK, My error... thanks, says he who had a character named Eoghen ... aka Owen.

@ Kory Dear

Dude, couple of things that you may have overlooked.  Runt is 7 1/2 years old so girls (as such) are unimportant to him.  In Message 74 in the Crisis thread, Runt found the knife and some coinage , and the other guy found the other coinage .  And Leesha is only a bit older than Runt (Message #2)

Sorry I could have sword you looked like a child but was a 40 year old like a halfling.

I see where I messed up when I read desc, took height or weight as actual age.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:39, Mon 01 July 2019.

I'll correct my posts, teach me post half awake.

Sorry about that.

Hopefully the quick fixes work till after work.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:44, Mon 01 July 2019.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 76):

LOL, you should see my posts before I have coffee. ;-)

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 75):

No problem, I figured it was something like that.

Added - If it's OK with the GM and if you want to have something funny, Kory could actually think that Runt is a haffling who is really good at disguise.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:06, Mon 01 July 2019.

LOL , glad I explained , seems really creepy other way. :)

Waiting on a single player to finish his CS,,,, he'll go into the Catheron thread

Yeah !!! More people .

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 81):

What he said. :-)

cool background update

OK, Padraig will be handed off to the new player...

Just a reminder, but I'll be off line until tomorrow afternoon at least and probably much of Saturday so don't wait for me if you all get on a roll.  Multiple estate sales each day!

No problems... let me know if you find any neat guns... ;-)

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 86):

That one is coming up in a couple of weeks. ;-)

Sigh, but I doubt you are close to Arizona...

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 88):

Just hop on I-40 and drive for about a day.  Right next door.  ;-)

I-40... so N.M , Texas or Oklahoma?  Since I am on the south end of the state it would be I-10 to I-25 to ...

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 90):

West Tennessee actually.  I used to leave Memphis headed west and about 24 hours of straight driving would get me to Arizona.  Spent a lot of good times there.

OUCH!... That's quite a drive from here ... Nice country, although I'd move a bit further East to be a little higher in the hills anyway.
But don't think I am going to make it there. Pretty much fed up with most of the states East of the Mississippi and their politics.
Go a bit further east and you could die of starvation on the side of the road before anyone stopped to help.

I really should move to USA. that sounds awesome.

I thought we were envying you your leadership...

hahaha
I can't tell whether you're being ironic.

Either way, irony or no, it's apretty sad state of affiars

On this side it most certainly is... Your PM at least seems honorable.

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 92):

Well, having been all across the states extensively, I can say that in my experiences there are great folks pretty much everywhere (and lots of less than nice folks).  I've generally found the further out from urban areas you are the more folks seem to be helpful and nice.

But right at the moment, I'd rather be out west primarily due to the weather - low 90s here and humidity high enough to make you want to grow gills.  Yuck!

I can imagine, and BARRY isn't going to make it better for some time... our dew point is up around 54 right now as we are starting our monsoon season.

HJahahahhahahah

Well, common views look upon her with 'disMAY.

The whole of brexit has been an utter shitshow.
Boris Johnson? hahaha that guy is an utter cunt.

I mean, I shouldn't get into it, but it's not so great here either. We have less mental folk though, I think, but only by number rather than percentage.

I've been looking for a new house actually too of late. I want to get somewhere Wild.

I was looking in the USA, actually, Wyoming and other mostrly rural places. Canadia, New Zealand and Finland too.

Well Finland, Wyoming and Canada all share COLD WINTERS...  something I don't care for.
You can find slightly more temperate winters in Southern Utah and Northern Arizona as well as some of New Mexico and still be quite wild.

Well, maybe i'm speaking from lack of 'real expereince'. But i like cold and snow and winter. I prefer colder areas to sunny beaches any day.

But maybe something with both. But, obviously, i'm not very very familiar with the US-o-A

There is always Alaska ... the people who live there really like it.

Am i right in thinking that the fight is going on outside? is it in view? or detectable by us?

No, it's blocks away from where you are...

less than half hp..going to bail. Was fun, till dice turned against me.

I'll put it here ....lol




15:13, Today: Kory Dear rolled 5 using 3d6.  Flee Acrobat 11.

I mean you brought a knife to a sword fight...

True true but it was fun...lol

Let's hope Kory is fast.

Those half Move/Dodge rules for being below 1/3HP are brutal.

Stop helping dm ..lol...Run Kory Run!!!

That fight was so in character for Kory.

Guy should take a point or two in fearless!

Sword? Pfft, come'ere! I'm gonna grab ya!

lol

Just glad gm didn't pull out all the rules.

GM used most all of them... but also considered how a single soldier in an unfriendly place might act.


Kory has a 3 point slash to his right arm, a stab to his right foot that was largely stopped by his boots (which are now cut) and a very sore right side.

All worth it. :)

Only thing is how long does it take to heal?

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 116):

Depends on whether you have access to an alchemist of any of her/his healing potions/salves/ointments,  and they could be pricy.

If only i was allowed magic!

Really like the new background information.  Great job.

And fouled up like many customary things are... Knights seem to outrank Squires, but are not hereditary, whiles Squires are, with a simple confirmation for a governing noble.  The Governing Noble may choose a son other than the first born should the first born be deemed unqualified.

There are very few Knights around, as it is an award for a feat of arms, and up until recently things were very peaceful.

In reply to Runt (msg # 119):

Ah thanks, i'll be updating it more. I just rushed it out before heading out yesterday. It's always nice to have some information about the character that can be worked with.




Which bit?

I think there's a lot of things that are kind of cool to find out and learn about the setting, and the nuances of the social structure. I was surprised that there were guns/firearms!! but it's great.

Firearms!

And here we are out in the boondocks with sticks and string.

Wheel Locks at about $2-4000 each ... and then there are supplies you'll need. Sticks and String will reign for a while longer.

Yeah, a bit much for Iain's blood. Loud, finicky, and those reload times...

Bet it hits like a charging war horse though!

Now y'all have got me thinking of Runt picking up one and using it - once. ;-)

on Brognar, eh?:)

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 124):

Not so much ... 1D6 +1 or 2  with Pi++  so whatever makes it through any DR is +50% ... ferinstance fired at plate mail DR 6, it has only a small chance of injuring the wearer, but against a man wearing Leathers (DR 2) , you'd need  a 3 to hurt him and a roll of 5  with a +1 would cause 4 + 50% so six piercing damage ... that would be an unhappy camper.

Got everyone confused?

It makes sense.

I guess that's the purpose of amour, Either way, even a 2hp bullet wound is probably going to make anyone lose the will to continue in a fight, especially if it 'hits' the vitals. Also any shot to the face will probably put them out, and I think most people would be more concerned with running away after having been hit in the arm!

Anyway, if you have people shooting at you, you're doing it wrong!

:)

Most would die of infection, not the bullet, and not quickly at all.

Aye!

Lucky you got me around Kory.


But i'm not being a damn medic!

:)

Aye, but the 4 I rolled to resist infection in the foot does wonders.  His arm is a more serious matter, as he has a 3 HP cut in it... I'll assume you douse it too... and so far it seems clean, but will need to be kept so until healed.

Aye, I passed the first-aid roll pretty well, and his skill is pretty high so I imagine he knows what to do fully when it comes to first aid - with the success he should have managed alright, i think.

It was a pretty bad arm wound though, almost a major would I think (1hp off?)

Going to need to look up those rules for using filth as a poison...

Where did I see those? Low Tech?

One of the Viet-Nam sections on Pungi Sticks?

I guess it would just add difficulty to the first aid roll and modify the HT roll to resist infection.

Yup, pretty much

In reply to Padraig MacTire (msg # 126):

Not particularly, just imagining him firing it, disappearing in a cloud of smoke, and then be on his back from the recoil. ;-)

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 127):

Related to this, I remember seeing something on PBS where they fired one (at point blank range) at the breast plate from a suit of Conquistador armor and all it did was put a couple of dents in it.

Actually late middle ages armor... and a double thickness.  I watched it too, and that was a longer barreled matchlock musket.  Quite interesting seeing how they made it.  This game is in the period of the armor, but the matchlock muskets do not exist.

Better memory than mine.  Just thought it was interesting.

 All Kory's whores Grin

Well, I mean.... who needs soldiers with training, and strength and expensive equipment and all that jazz. to fight on equal terms?


Poison, blades, and chicas are all that are needed.

Jobs and hands are needed!
That will keep thems happy so they don't wanna fight.
The girls will beat the war right out of them.

Coup this
My C coups.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:45, Sat 20 July 2019.

FWIW, Group a in Maps is my opinion of what Malcom looks like.

I'll check him out.
He'd make a great man whore.
Check out Melinda just finished her.
Tell me if its all good, or what needs to be changed.

PRAISE ME DADDY !!!
This message was last edited by the player at 03:16, Sun 21 July 2019.

What level is expert skill?

I think for most skills, 12 would be a competent, employable skill, while somewhere around 20 would be an undisputed nationally recognized master.

So to be considered an "expert", I would say what, 15 maybe?

15 thanks.

Thats alot of points

Hmm I wonder with disadvantages and quirks doable.


:)
This message was last edited by the player at 04:38, Sun 21 July 2019.

Actually we need to define the terms carefully, for a craft skill ... 12 makes you a master level, 13 a master among masters... at 14 you are widely recognized in your county, barony, state etc. 15 makes you known by everyone involved in that skill/craft nationwide and 16 starts to make you known by folks who aren't in your field nationwide.  BUT there are a great many modifiers.  Public actors are likely better known while folks doing underhanded or boring work are less well known; the TL affects communications so everyone is not as widely known in lower TLs ... there is more, as always in GURPS, everything is vague.

what?

Skill level 12 in a craft makes you a master?

We have very very different understanding of what master level is - I'd have guuessed that people wouldn't start calling you a master at anything until you're skill level 15+


I thought that 12 is basically 'professional standard' level.

A master is Professional Standard ... Master here is as in Apprentice, Journeyman, Master...

Oh but like.

"A master"
not

"masterwork" or "masterful".

Like a title rather than a 'level' of skill?

Like, no soldier is going to be called a master swordsman at skill 12, right? So i presume that the 'master' is just the honorofic title of someone achieving the level to be professional and running his own shop.

Precisely ...  it's a passable level of skill, not an expert's expert. And yes, it is a Guild bestowed Title.

OK, another thunder Storm rolling through, I'll have to get off for the evening... we need the rain, so it isn't all bad.

Awww , but I understand. No computer no game.
Same here, but the rain only made days muggier.
Night dude.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:44, Tue 23 July 2019.

Goodnight!

I like the variety of stories being told here.

Whores, orphans and booze over here,

Sailing ships and exotic travellers over there,

And poor Iain trying to run down an escaped butler.

If he ever gets a butler, I hope it's one that can escape from under armed guard, navigate a three story drop, and then outrun a posse in the dark. That's some quality help!

Yeah I am halfway through your thread, Where you have mansion pic. I can see gm wants to make it epic. With the maps and the stuff he is putting out.


Alfred

Does that make you medieval Batman :D





Battle Bulters.



And I wanted Battle Maids



Will be interesting to explore this world.


LOL

I see you like to slap the around too ... lol

This message was last edited by the player at 04:45, Tue 23 July 2019.

Ha,

fantastic. it's  a good bunch here.

I'm slightly jealous of the sailing ship... I always wanted to be a pirate.

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 153):

We had another one earlier but it was accompanied by a cold front nicely dropping the temp.  Didn't really need the rain after the six or so inches we got from the hurricane remnants but I'll take the cooler temps (humidity is still too high though).

It's 30(C) here today and i'm melting.

Just got back from MMA training and sweat is pouring from me... not used to this kinda stuff in the UK.

I want some damn cold front!

From last Wednesday through yesterday the daytime temps were sitting at 32(C)+ with humidity that made you want to grow gills.  Today it's a relatively pleasant 27(C).  But I sympathize with you if you're not used to it.

OKay, stupid question of the day, who 'precisely' is leesha?


Ha, yea, it's pretty humid here too.


Actually, I do love it - but i'm indoors atm surrounded by computers and working and all that jazz.

Same here past 3 days was high 80s to 90 F (bc america) lol

In reply to Padraig MacTire (msg # 161):

Leesha is a young street kid, a little older than Runt whom he saved from a beating or worse. She has started to pal around with him and they make a little team.


As for the Butler avoiding posted guards, they were outside the room as I read it, untying the rope was a feat, but he rolled a 5 ... using the rope to go out the window was just simple logic. He isn't supernatural and but for a very lucky roll might still be there in ropes.

Okay

fair enough! thanks :)

Just want to clarify, by asking for more detail, I certainly mean no disrespect.

I do appreciate all the time you have put into this game, your historical view point is awesome, and you attention to detail in things like rules for infection, etc runs right in line with my own thinking.

But things like attempting a night time raid, I do expect a bit of detail to make appropriate decisions. The general layout, darkness penalties, etc. Iain is built like a hunter, he relies heavily on stealth, so going from a rough outline of a plan, to getting spotted, Is a very abrupt shift from my point of view.

Did nobody in this group see such a guard? Did they stop under cover to assess for sentries? How far away might such a man be? All of this is very important for this kind of attempt, and I'm trying to double check that nothing has been missed.

Sorry, GM in a hurry... The Guard is not obvious in the shadows and was quiet until he challenged you ... It's why being point man in Vietnam sucked so ... a person being still in a hide has a huge advantage. But the truth is I was just in a hurry.

That tickles me too.
lol

But you are appreciated GM.
I think everyone agrees.
and if not METEOR!!! (100d damage)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:57, Tue 23 July 2019.

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 163):

Just to throw this out there, but maybe Leesha needs her own NPC listing now.  How about fmc616 or fmc738?

LOL evil Runt!!

Hope you choke!!

How about this?

In reply to Leesha (msg # 171):

Excellent choice!

Map Group C is my idea of what Millicent Audax looks like.   Figure about 29 or 30.

She's cute.

haha, nice.. one of the other threads.


:)

If the Capitol thread does not include a bunch of HT checks for absurd drunkenness in the near future, I'm going to be terribly disappointed.

I like you Iain, you man me smile.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 176):

Hmmmm, there just might be some purses that are a bit lighter if folks fail, LOL.

;-)

Just joking, he wouldn't steal from folks he knows.

That would have sucked if it was Kory.

LOL

Kory and I have been discussing the Disadvantage of Resents and Resists authority. I am not aware of such a DisAd in the rules.

I know such people and so feel it's a valid DisAd, but what is it worth?  for "controls his instincts often on a 12 or less" perhaps a -5?
Say -10 for a control on a 9 or less; -15 for a control on a 6 or less?

Thoughts? Ideas? Discussion?

What would be the condition for being activated?

Probably someone in authority telling him to do something.

I think as default, it'd work as a -5 trait.

Something aking to greed/selfishness in the level it manifests.

I think if it was up to -10 it'd be outright hostility to being told what to do.

and at -15 it's aggression and threatening behaviour when reacting to people telling them what to do.


I think however you could go the way of having it activated in differnt ways, like tolerance for it.
and the ways you suggested seem to work.


In reality it's a negative reaction that's results of some compulsion inside, it could be modelled off obsessive behaviour, but it's certainly a minor one.


"Go do this"
[-5] "Yea, sure</sarcasm" then doesn't do it
[-10] "Go fuck yourself, dont tell me what to do"
[-15] "You keep telling me what to do and i'm going to put this bottle through your fucking face you fat useless son of a fucking whore".


I also think I have this trait IRL.

lol

https://www.mayoclinic.org/dis...-causes/syc-20375831

Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD)

Has a frequent and persistent pattern of anger, irritability, arguing, defiance or vindictiveness toward you and other authority figures, he or she may have oppositional defiant disorder (ODD).


Sometimes it's difficult to recognize the difference between a strong-willed or emotional child and one with oppositional defiant disorder.

Angry and irritable mood:

    Often and easily loses temper
    Is frequently touchy and easily annoyed by others
    Is often angry and resentful

Argumentative and defiant behavior:

    Often argues with adults or people in authority
    Often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
    Often deliberately annoys or upsets people
    Often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior

Vindictiveness:

    Is often spiteful or vindictive
    Has shown spiteful or vindictive behavior at least twice in the past six months

ODD can vary in severity:

    Mild. Symptoms occur only in one setting, such as only at home, school, work or with peers.

    Moderate. Some symptoms occur in at least two settings.

    Severe. Some symptoms occur in three or more settings.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:24, Tue 30 July 2019.

I like what I am seeing, although it seems like a very risky thing to take in a feudal setting.

Somebody with such a thing in a modern setting, maybe some contempt of court, disorderly conduct.

Somebody in the right part of feudal Europe?

"Fuck you! I won't do what you tell me!"

Drawn, quartered, and the remains fed to the dogs.

Big difference there.

Yea, but only when talking to people that have authority to have you hung drawn and quartered.

In many cases it would manifest amongst people that might just be affronted.

Yeah when read medical diagnosis, wondered same thing.

Could be suicidal.

Maybe there is some non suicidal version.

Yet in feudal society, should be times 2 value.

Because of repercussions.

Good Point

I'll agree with what Padraig said in #183.  Also with what Iian said in #185, and possibly some of what Kory said in #187 (but maybe not 2x value).  But it is going to be very dangerous to use and I'm leaning towards a quirk level version if any, but probably it might be best to just use it as flavor and characterization (as in no points) for the time being.  But our GM might want to consider giving Kory some bonus CPs for good role-playing if he uses it well.

You also might bounce the idea off the folks in the Gurps Community Lounge on this site or even asking about it over on the Steve Jackson Games site.

In other news, I've had a computer crash and will probably not have access back until Friday.  Just go on without me, I'll catch up.

That's messed up dude, would be lost without pc. Look forward to your return.

Managed to get over to the library and am on one of their computers (gods, such worn out machines - bleh!).  So I can post a little bit now and hopefully will get mine back early next week - looks like the hard drive decided to die. :-(

It happens, but this game won't be anything you'll lose.  Sorry to hear about the PITA it causes though..

For those that like double entendre using two languages, remember the song Oh Calcutta! from the HAIR album many decades ago?
Never quite understood the name?  We had a French exchange student who turned bright red when some one mentioned the title ... we had to get her calmed down as in French "O quelle cul tu as" is "My what an ass you have!"  ;-)

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 193):

LOL, that is a classic! Better than the Beef language in sauce I saw on a menu! (Tongue and language in Russian are the same word...)

I had problems with that word whole in Russia haha

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 192):

Luckily most everything was backed up on an external hard drive so no file loss.  Still haven't heard from the repair shop, but I'm hoping that it's something minor.  I really don't want to have to go and redo all my settings. (rolling eyes)

Best of luck... I lost a power supply some years back and things that were supposedly backed up were totally unrecoverable.

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 197):

Yeah, external HDD are the way to back things up. Anything else is even more risky...

Having Thunder Storms... serious Storms, rain rates of 6" (152 mm) per hour and over 1.05 Inches of rain... (2.7 cm roughly)
Will post as I can.

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 199):

Hope the weather has settled down!

Just curious, balanced projectiles are x5 cost. So Balanced Lead pellets for a sling cost $0.5 each, so how much are balanced sling stones (Which are normally free!!!)?

Also, what is the effect of Fine for Sling Bullets? +1 damage? That would make Fine, balanced sling bullets +1 to skill, +1 damage, $0.7 each. Fine Balanced Silver bullets would be $2.60 each, and likewise be +1 to skill and +1 to damage. Fine Balanced Stone bullets would still be free and +1 to sill and damage <Cheeky grin>?

I think fine arrows/ammo would probably give +1/+1 to damage and skill? That might be generous though, at least they'd get some benefit to one or the other.

Not sure though tbh.

In reply to Padraig MacTire (msg # 201):

Fine is +1 to damage only, balanced is +1 to skill.

In reply to Mustafa Zephyr (msg # 200):

OK, let apply some logic here.
A fine sling is improbable, but possible given how a sling is made.  They give a +1. Silver bullets give a +1 to creatures affected by silver.
Sling bullets that are carefully cast w/o air holes and which are symmetrical are believable.
Now you could make heavy sling bullets, which don't fly as far but thump harder on arrival ... I think Gurps has something to this effect in it.
Sling stones are made by nature and already gathered and sorted for size and weight ... in theory, earth magic could make fine stones, but since we don't have any of that... not possible.

Fine Balanced projectiles should be the same thing... it simply means that the shaft is straight, the tips and Feathers are of the same size and weight (or very close) and care has been taken in making the whole projectile.  It is more accurate but not more powerful. Yes, flying straight could prevent some loss of velocity , thus arriving with more power, but I am not going to cut hairs that finely.  They get a +1 to hit.

Lead, is might be what you are looking for. I think it's in Low Tech

Cast lead would be both heavier, and more aerodynamic, but of course then you have to carry around a sack full of lead golf balls with you. Fun.

Well probably slightly smaller than a Golf ball.  That would be the heavy pellet. A normal pellet would be in the 20-25 mm (about ¾ to an inch in diameter) and weigh about an ounce (just over 28 grams). The Heavy pellet would be about twice the diameter and roughly 4 times the weight. Range would be about 2/3s of the light pellets and damage gets a +1 at extended range and +2 at short range.

That'sa SWAG... didn't even try and look it up.

900 posts. Good work guys.

hoorah

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 207):

Read through relevant sections in a bit more detail. Can be taken of left as desired.

GURPs Low tech actually has a Heavy Sling, which flings 1 lb projectiles, as opposed to projectiles weighing 1/20 lbs used in a standard sling. They are slower and have less range, but do +2 damage. I would say a balanced sling has a better release mechanism, allowing more accurate release. Reading carefully the fine print, LT only grants a missile weapon an additional 20% range, since it's projectile does cr or pi damage.

However, those are just modifications to the weapon itself that increase the cost from a mere silver piece to much more than that for a fine and balanced weapon.

The ammunition can, according to Basic, also be modified to be better quality(B277).  A perfectly round ball will fly truer than one with knobs on it, justifying the balanced attribute increasing the users skill. Lead pellets double range and increase damage by +1 (B276) over stone projectiles. Unshaped stone projectiles give -1 to hit (LT78). Shaped Sling stones are actually given as costing $0.06/stone, or $0.10 for a heavy sling (LT78).

Low Tech also has a lovely large table of Weapons of Quality, P59. It gives the +4 CF for Balanced missile weapons or projectiles, and +2 CF for fine projectiles, increasing damage by 1 for cutting or impaling weapons only, so no actual benefit for a sling stone! For missile weapons, Fine gives +20% range for +3 CF, giving limited benefit to the short-ranged sling, changing range to x7.2/12 for a normal sling and x3.6/7.2 for a heavy sling. Better using lead bullets...

Silver has a +19 CF, and only has extra effects of creatures with vulnerability to silver. Otherwise, they are no better than a regular sling stone.

So in short, only using lead bullets gives a +1 to damage, though finer quality slings will give better accuracy, significantly so if using a fine sling costing $200 with balanced lead projectiles that cost $0.5 instead of $0.1. This will give a range of x14.4/24 and an Acc of +1 if the sling cost goes up to $280. All with the rules of Low Tech, of course. But the principle of you get what you pay for stands. How much of this is being used?

Kory, where did you go???

Dont you be taking those women away from me!

LOL, I am at the palace, just guessing a couple days in the future.

They are always available, that's what makes em whores :)

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 210):

No, it's just the next morning... Padraig is still organizing defences.

In reply to Mustafa Zephyr (msg # 208):

My post in msg 203 says close to the same thing... maybe more generous in places.  We can use the low Tech cites if that's what you want.
They use a 1/20 of a pound and I was using 1/16 ...  I was using a1/4 Pound forthe heavy Projo and they use a full pound... that's fine. All damage is Cr.

Ahh ok. Works for me.

Wow dude and I thought gm was being rough with my intro to his world.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:03, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

Yeah.

This whole thing seems to be "on rails" anyway. They were doomed the moment they went on the sheet.

Ahh ok so you planned this, good. I would have been like did I piss gm off...lol
Got rails reference :)

I am guessing some how all of us will meet.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:14, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

No, not planned. But most of what we are doing seems to be just "story time" at the moment.

Mostly narrative, mostly beyond our control.

Ahh ok, thought it was part of who your character was, like a tragic event you two hashed out. Did you spend points on them?

If they are important to your characters identity, send gm private message. Did read death at this moment, but I'll reread.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:19, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

They were minor dependents, yeah.

They are certainly maimed but not yet pronounced dead. GM will work with you, trust me I know. I sent over 100 messages to him. But I wouldn't debate it too long.

And whats happened is enough motivation to seek revenge even without dependents deaths.

Beg borrow steal or kill, get them medical help.

First aid will stop blood loss.

Silent -- could mean unconscious, your character don't know if their dead, he ain't a doctor.

People have survived worst.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:28, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

Not one time did gm say dead.



Googled worst third world injuries people have survived.
https://www.google.com/search?...c98KHfnVDmYQ_AUIEigC

Go to images if you dare.

Won't post them here because I like playing on rpol.net
This message was last edited by the player at 02:47, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 215):

No... not so... just the way things grew.

Hah, man,

You are a prolific writer, short on detail I think, but your posting rate is admiral.

And you obviously have a decent working knowledge of the period you are going for.

But I don't believe that for a second.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 223):

I'm sorry...  but indeed your actions and those of an NPC or two make this a very likely outcome, given the bitter ugly people (not you) involved.

There was no pre-written story, just a background that each of you have interacted with. Each of you has a very different character, in a different place, going through different events.  I can't tell you how the story will unfold, although I do have an ultimate ending in mind for sometime in the future.

Having nothing to gain from this, I'll say:
You both have valid points and we learn and grow as we play. It's great game lets keep it up.

Fair enough.

I think I'm going to bow out then.

Nothing personal of course, I think we are just looking at different styles of play.

I wish you all the best of luck with the game.

If you could please remove me, maybe I'll see a few of you down the road.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 226):

Please don't ... It is a very difficult spot ... I am working to portray a debased nobility who despise everyone not their equal...
In seizing and tying up the Butler with his seal of the Baron, you affronted the Baron ... in his mind you may as well have seized and tied him up.  He is retaliating as an ugly vicious lord would (and did in history)...  let me  bring it full circle. It will take a bit of time, but such actions are not forgotten.

I should preface this with saying that I really take no issue with you personally, I was serious when I said that you have several great qualities as a GM.

By the same token I have never been one to shy away from the kind of harsh realities you are trying to portray. I knew as much when I saw your premise, and I chose to include dependents. The entire reason they exist is to be put at risk, so it's not the brutality of the scene.

It's the linear approach and lack of options that I am taking issue with.

In my humble opinion of course, when you put a problem forth to a player, you have to give them a fair amount of information up front, and you have to give them options.

It was an issue in the scene where one of Iain's men turned traitor, it was an issue during the scene with the friendly sentries, and it's an issue now.

The scene with the barons man was obvious bait. I would hazard to say the dependents risk roll was never made, nor was his reaction roll, nor was any kind of reaction to Iain's attempted diplomacy. He was either going to be attacked, or he was going to report failure to his superior. It was a forgone conclusion from the beginning, hence his miraculous escape and cross country trek. As I said...they were doomed the moment they got put on the sheet.

You had an idea how you wanted it to go as a GM, and you went there in a narrative fashion, which is fine...to a point.

In a game with five players, running for the better part of two months, we have not even cleared a single refresh in the dice roller. With multiple combats.

It's story time, and we are along for the ride.

Again, nothing wrong with this for certain types of players, but if I'm going to invest my time, I expect at the minimum enough detail to make informed choices, and a fighting chance with a certain amount of transparency.

In conclusion, this rapid fire, minimal description/mechanics approach is fine for many, but personally I think I am looking for something a little different.

So in the spirit of being fellow gamers just looking to have some fun, I do wish you luck, but having seen a fair bit of your format now, I still believe that this is probably not one for me.

Iain,
I haven't even finished reading your comments, but Kory and you are correct, I got an idea and pushed it, rather than play it through... I was very wrong to do that.

If you will reconsider, I will remove the posts and we'll back it up and play it out, not railroad it out.

I appreciate your candor, and I'll take you up on that offer.

I really don't mean to be a difficult player, and I appreciate Kory suggesting that we can all learn from each other. I have my own things to work on, I'll be the first to admit.

If I might make a suggestion, we could start playing "open hand" for most GM rolls. This might bring us closer to that table top like atmosphere, and I think it would help foster discussion as a group.

You are still the GM of course, a game can't run without a strong driving force and an arbiter to make the final calls, but we might be able to remind each other back and forth, or make suggestions going forward. At the very least it will help us get an idea of where you are coming from.

I really do appreciate you taking the time to run this for us. But I do think it will be more interesting in the long run if we start to put a little more onus on the players to make the tough decisions.

For example, instead of "The Baron is angered via X, and an attack occurs, setting the scene for the next chapter"

It could be something along the lines of "The Baron is angered because the player botched the scene, and an attack occurs, forcing him to choose between duty and family." There is still some high drama there, and potentially a sense of loss, but the latter case involves more role play and individual character skills instead of a player more or less reacting to a script.

I would be interested to hear the other players opinions as well of course, and thanks again for working with us.

So,

I have experienced the railroading thing and been slightly irritated by it. I think i first noticed it back when i played in the GM's other game as 'Kallikrates' and was having a sparring session with the captain of the guard, or something.

But ultimately, I've stuck to the game because the GM is good, and he does constantly create and drive new stories. I find sometimes that the change of pace of posting, short, quick posts versus long descriptive posts are both needed, and reflecting the 'heartbeat' of the game and in a lot of cases this works out well. Occasionally, people might be working to a different beat though and maybe that's where sometimes the disparity happens.

But really, I think part of it is on the player to explain precisely what matters to them. A GM can only formulate a plot or story to a certain granularity, or provide a limited amount of processing to things going on, and may have emphasis on different parts of that story.

That, I think is why this kind of thing happens.

In my experience, a lot of the solution just comes from some meta-gaming OOC communication. Very often i might write too quickly or poorly to fully convey parts of my intention or plan or even what I'm intending to do - so i'll add "to GM" notes to such posts to explain my thinking and give ideas about what the character is ofcusing on, what then plan is and my guesses as to how he expects his actions to effect change in the world.

I do also agree that tough decisions that aren't per-ordained or 'easy' are very nice to have in a game and really add layers and texture to the world. Not everything is black and white, good or evil, etc.

This kind of thing really is just about providing good two-way communication between GM<->Players and managing the expectations of each.

Well said. GM is good, and has good attitude. Emotions where high last night hopefully they work it out, since time has past.

Yep communication was key and communication before meltdown in pm.

Problem is player gave message and left without giving gm chance to correct style.

Gm stated he is willing to adjust his style.

If player stuck around or chooses to come back.

and they communicate, everyone wins.

As I said I feel for player.
But also know we got great gm willing to work with players to keep game fun.

That quality alone makes him Great Gm.

Story can be learned.
Game mechanics can be learned
GMing can be learning (Balancing story and game)

Nothing is unfixable.

Sure it might be a little less satisfying to roll back an event, but doing so would fix  issue. GM was will to roll for stuff and fix issues.

Not give player a win, but offer player a fair chance to save his family.

That's a good gm who realized his mistake and took action to correct it.
Now its in players hands.

Both are human both got frustrated.
Communication did happen (Above player message)
Change and Correction was offered (Above GM message)
AND they will still need to work together and chat to find right balance between (Story and game)



Solution

This message was last edited by the player at 16:29, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

Now I know GM can't cater to just me, but it gives him ideal who I am.
And as I said gming has been extremely proactive in working with me.


One of the forms I submitted to gm during my long silence in posting
When we was talking.

Site has many more questions to flesh out your character
https://www.plus1gaming.com/20...-character-creation/


This is just the bottom section of website (edited)


Player

These five questions direct your play experience itself rather than your character. What do you want out of your game? If a group answers these together, they can expect dramatically rewarding game sessions, and the GM will know clearly what’s expected to give everyone a good time.

What kind of story does your character belong in?
Street level -- gang warfare type game

Who are the characters your character interacts with?

These things are important to understand so your GM can create adventures that will engage your character, and so you will have a better chance at getting along with your fellow players’ characters.


What role does your character fill?
Probably Stealth Killer type

Roleplaying is all about the ensemble cast. Make sure you fill a unique role in the party, and you aren’t stepping on anyone else’s toes. Consider your role in the interpersonal relations of the party, your role in combat, what skills your character is best at, and what thematic note your character hits.

What is your play style?

Do you like heavy character immersion, or attention to detail in the rules, or perhaps you’re especially goal-oriented? Here I gave him a mess

Goal oriented -- with detail for clues and hints to next goal
Wanted rules -- but not overburdened by them (nor so rule lax it was freeform)
Wanted detail -- but not overwhelmed by it (told him I gloss over too much detail)


Maybe you’re a bit competitive.
Not into pvp -- but if done right might be fun


Do you speak in your character’s voice? You may not even be aware of your own play style. Keep this in mind as you play so you can better communicate with your fellow players about the direction of the party as a whole, and the course of the adventure. This also helps your GM understand your personal needs at the gaming table.

How do you want your character to die?
In Revenge attempt or attempting to rescue girls. Preferably one against many with many dead by my hand.

Your character won’t live forever, although you might not play him or her to the end. If you had your choice of deaths for your character, what would it be?

There was another question on there. (in a different section.)

If your character had everything they wanted what would make them adventure?
To rescue Girls
To save someone Loyal to me
To add new girl to mix.
For Vengeance
To handle problem for one of girls
(and we designed them girls with Problems personalities--turn ons--histories--they even have birthdays --plenty of threads for gm to use in a pinch---lol)


Finally, it can help your GM in resolving conflicts in-game if he or she has an idea of your comfort zone with threats to your character’s life.

It would suck if one of my girls died.




Site has many more questions to flesh out your character
https://www.plus1gaming.com/20...-character-creation/


Oh we went back and forth on other points, but I am very happy with end results.
And no I didn't answer every question. But I answered the ones I could and submitted it to gm.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:48, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

I think i'll give this a shot, looks interesting.

Cool beans.
You'll have to copy and paste website into pm.

Then separate questions

Answer ones you can.

I manually added bold to make easier for gm to read.

<b> Question </b>
This message was last edited by the player at 17:55, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

One more question I asked gm, I asked him to tell me in his eye's who my character was.
I honestly expected to rewrite his answer better.
But he described him so Beautifully,
I couldn't respond and surrendered.



Honestly Kory is 90%+ what gm described. (with me nit picking the last 10%)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:12, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 228):

I think much of this is a basic difference in how we do things. I have never reset a dice log in all the years I've been on rpol.

I quit rolling public GM die back in the late 1970's having watched a game all but ruined by a lucky die roll (would have killed the protagonist without revealing anything of import to the game); The GM rolled his dice behind a screen, got essentially rubbish and declared the protagonist had rolled a critical success to avoid the hit, then picked up his dice.  The game continued on and everyone had a good time solving the mystery ...  I felt I had learned something.
I have seen games come to an unhappy end under similar situations where the GM either couldn't or didn't fudge things. The Games sort of dribbled to a stop, as there was no longer a connection between the problem and the solution, and people weren't interested in playing those GMs games anymore.  As always, there is a balance between keeping the story alive and outcomes.

AS for giving you a heads up about things about to happen ... I am not following you. Are you used to the GM warning you that bad things are about to happen?  The VC warn you that you are about to step on a mine or that there is an ambush around the next corner? That the Baron has decided he hates you because you are on his wife's side.   That the shadowy figure ratting to the enemy might be one of your guys? or that one of your guys is about to do a bad stupid?   I am sorry, I don't understand what you think I should be doing. We have obviously been playing in quite different styles.

Having reread your message, I should explain... we are all in this together or it isn't a game and it isn't fun. I am not perfect.  I'm not sure I understand your PoV, but I am open to adjusting within reason.  Sending you off with a bad taste is the last thing any of us want.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:46, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

When I say transparency, it's not giving away secrets, so much as understanding that we are playing by an agreed upon rule set.

GURPS is notoriously "crunchy", it's very granular, it uses a lot of rules and generally a lot of numbers to help flesh out a narrative.

The environment where I learned to play it was around a table top, everybody saw all the dice, except those skills or situations which were explicitly designed to be rolled in secret.

This is not automatically detected an ambush or knowing the enemies intentions, it's simple and obvious things, like an enemies attempt to dodge. The environment I played in was lethal, and people lost characters. They were that much more careful going forward with the next one.

But at the same time the rules were obvious and fair. Everything down to the time of day and weather penalties, we used a lot of hex grids, there was no general gist of things...you entered a new scene and you got a good description of what you were looking at before you made any decisions. If it was pertinent, it was provided.

As I have mentioned, there seems to be a lot of hand waving in the interest of time saving. "The prisoner escapes" is not something that arbitrarily happens. There are perception rolls, there is fatigue involved for cross country travel, there are penalties for an unfamiliar area. It's possible, but it comes down to the dice.

If we are going for "free form" with a roll here and there, that is a very different environment. And I'll admit, that's the feeling I am getting.

Iains back, you two take it private and resolve this.

You both got your hits in.

Now compromise in private.

Your a good player Iain (I have said so many times) and he is a good fair gm willing to work with you.

Doing this in public fixes nothing.

And will make both of you all show off to win!

But the real win is the conversation you all have back in private.
Where no egos are involved.
With the intent to work together, to make game fun for both you all.

STOP BEING STUBBORN YOU TWO AND OFF TO YOUR ROOM (talking like adults in private with a common goal of Fun--Realism)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:14, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

Funny thing is you two are same type of people in love of Realism.

Now work together to figure out how to go about it.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:03, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

Remember a compromise is a solution both of you all can live with.
With neither of you all truly happy.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 238):

I am probably guilty of that, as I try to  update every thread daily. Family sometimes resents my addiction and rushes me ...  so I tend to roll dice and push results at my desk.

Feel free to raise it as an issue when I do it, as I am sure I will ... human nature.

I have tried free form (Fudge) and got very negative feed back. It gathers dust on the shelf. I very much think that it is story above rules and dislike being told that rule x on page y of book z says that you can do...  That said, we are playing GURPS, not GM's Whim.  I have most of the relevant books right behind me, but often want to keep the thought and drive on, rather than stop and read the details.
One of the reason's there is no Magic in this game is all the variations upon variations that crop up in it. Alchemy is limited enough and less well known, so I haven't had those issues, yet anyway; but it still allows useful effects most of us would love to have access to.

Any way, I'll try to amend my ways with everyones help. It may take some work as we geezers are set in our ways.

GM got balls to admit ones mistakes in public.

Only rule you to have is

Whoever quits or bans first looses.

And neither one of you has to write one line of post to thread till you all resolve issues.

Begin
This message was last edited by the player at 19:47, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

off to work will post tonight.

It does. And it's appreciated.

I'm sure there is a happy medium. I'm not trying to rules lawyer you to death either.

I really like that this is a non magical setting, that was a huge selling point for me, and I agree with Kory that we are both concerned for realism, albeit in different ways. I think we are trying to get to the same place.

I'm willing to try and make it work, and I think we have told a decent story thus far. I'm going to try and not question you at every turn, and try to flow with the general feel of the story.

For what it's worth, I would be for cutting the posting rate in Iain's thread in return for a little more detail if it comes down to time management.

GURPS can be a ponderous beast, especially trying to reference everything. I have had GMs in the past house rule certain things...like no reaction rolls for example. If that sort of thing would help at all, it might be worth discussing.

We can talk gaming philosophy to death, but I hope that this has not come off as anything personal. We are here to have fun after all.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:56, Tue 06 Aug 2019.

So actually the granularity I think is something that gets sorted out depending on the character one makes.

I think it's okay to gloss over some things - for example:

If you make a warrior character, that has a lot of the development in martial and military things, you may care a lot about more decision/tactical combat but less so about some of the social things in 'social engineering'. The opposite might be true if you make a bard-like courtier.

OOC: Quick question GM,

Would the armoury store a lot of firearms too? I would guess that footsoldiers might not all have them, but there'd be a stock of this kind in the armoury?

No, actually the armoury stores nothing related to firearms.
Make an IQ roll ...

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 248):

I have not actually been ignoring the posts...on the contrary, as a GM who runs a game that is very much a 'sandbox' game (but in a very different environment!), it is interesting to hear others points of view on gaming style. Personally, I am not a fan of railroading, but my character, perhaps because of the way I play him, has not been. But I do as GM try to play the opposition as intelligent and, at time, evil as required. That can mean that vital NPCs are caught in the crossfire, though I will allow a way out, though the players do not always find it.

I personally find a higher rate of short posts can be more involving at times than long-winded monologues, so I do find the comment interesting that Iain would be in favour of cutting the number in favour of increasing the content, as in my mind that would reduce player input! But that is just my take, so I learn by watching!

14:42, Today: Padraig MacTire rolled 12 using 3d6.  IQ.

There you go :)

LOL

Long week, shut up :)

LOL

I woke up after a few hours sleep. Trust me I understand.

Seems, lack of sleep is common here among us.

Just yawned (hope you catch it).



:)

Finally able to post again, the hard drive on my computer is fragged and the cost will be not too much less than just buying a new one.  However I will have to wait a bit for that and my internet access will be pretty much limited to when I can get to the library.  So I'm going to suggest that you put Runt in a somewhat inactive mode and I'll post when and where I can.  Maybe I can even catch back up on reading the other threads, I think there is something important that I've not seen.

Thanks.

No problem's Runt.... we'll be here, were you closer we could probably get you a computer for a lot less than a new one may cost. Of course it would be an older Macintosh ...

Welcome back Runt.

Glad to see you all up and running again.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:51, Thu 08 Aug 2019.

Iains in brutal battle out numbered.

I've never seen anybody roll initiative in GURPS before.

Not complaining of course, but normally you just go down the Basic Speed from highest to lowest.

Is it a straight roll or is the Speed factored in at all?

I've rolled initiative, but I admit I can make characters but need assistance with mechanics.

I'll google it, he but it seems gm is serious about using the rules to give you good fight.

:)

Seems me and dm used to play dnd

From forumn in Steve Jacksons site:

Originally Posted by the adventurer View Post

What exactly determines combat initiative in GURPS? This should be obvious, but the only listing for initiative in the index directs me to GROUP Initiative. And for the life of me I can't find a clear cut rule for individual initiative.

So... can some give me a page number or just tell me the rule? Because I'm feeling like an idiot here.
Basic Speed

Rules for Turn Sequence are on (GURPS Basic, pg 363).

LOL gm with crowbar hit, its just funny.

Found this to
So now not sure.

http://gameinthebrain.blogspot...ive-check-based.html


 GURPS Making Initiative Check Based
Initiative is a score that player rolls for his character where his margin of success and failure determines his order in initiative.

Initiative is Tactics roll with SPDx2 OR IQ. If the character does not have Tactics, they can default to -6, Strategy-6 or Soldier-4. Combat Reflex adds +1 to Initiative.

In the beginning of Combat everyone rolls initiative.

SPD 6.00, CR, Soldier IQ+2 has an Initiative-11
SPD 5.00, IQ12, Tactics IQ+1 has Initiative-13

Double rewarding SPD.
A smarter person may think faster and be slower in combat, but his physical speed will be reflected in Movement and Dodge NOT in the order in which he acts. Because of Wait maneuver a faster thinking character Waits and uses his faster thinking to Prepare and Predict the outcome. Of course if his prediction is wrong, he gets screwed so it balances out.

So a Faster Character may Act Fast in the sense that in the second he may travel farther and dodge better but it doesnt mean they can bring actions and plans online faster than a smarter quick-thinking character.

In GURPS it is not clear that the "start" of combat, those who have not acted is considered "flat-footed" like in DnD. You can still defend as though you came from a "Do nothing" turn in the very beginning of combat.

I like using the Core Mechanic through out the system when it is possible. Using a 3d6 Check for initiative benefits the bell curve and makes for some random variables in combat.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:03, Thu 08 Aug 2019.

I was delighted to see the updated post, not just the family angle of course, but that we were looking at a fight that could easily go either way.

This sort of thing was exactly what I was referring to, and the GM really outdid himself with the map as well. Good stuff.

The second post is a home brew, he seems to like the additional random variable, and feels that intelligence should factor in more instead of relying mostly on the HT and DX which determines Basic Speed normally.

Core Rules, it's just Basic Speed, highest to lowest.

Low Tech, it's the same but factoring the "matter of inches" rules, people with longer limbs or longer weapons logically get first attacks despite having lower speeds.

This allows say, a slower person with a spear, to get a stab at an attacker with a knife regardless of Basic Speed.

We can go with whatever the GM likes of course, but if you were looking for the official stuff, that's it.

Yeah found rules in book.
Was on page 363.

I'll say this he is giving you an honest effort to give you type of game you like.

I am no gurps expert, and you have said you'll compromise doing what gm likes best.
Which is good of you.

Officially you remembered correctly.

Turn Sequence
Is based off of basic Speed.

I learned something.

Basic Speed for next combat!!!

Got to post before gm gets sleepy :)

Good parry, thought death was close.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:28, Thu 08 Aug 2019.

Who had post 1000, hope it was me!!!

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 267):

Not me. My thread has gone quiet...

And welcome back Runt. Looking forward to seeing your story progress.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 258):

It's probably a carry over from 3e or earlier... since I don't have every single soldier as more than  shell, I figured rolling initiative was a smoother way to go... it also avoids the various rolls when multiple people have 5.5, 5.75 or 6 as a basic speed. Basically I am trying to keep things moving w/o lots of side rolls for this or that.

In simple one on one combat basic Speed is not a problem usually.

I see Padraig stepped up his game :)

Cool, this is good.

So impaling, piercing, etc against limbs is x1, cutting is normal. This supposedly represents the lack of "vital organs" in limbs.

So the Sons damage is correct via core rules, the wife's could be reduced if you wanted to use that rule.

Damage is only multiplied once, after having been subtracted by armor.

So in the example of vitals, you were correct, 6 imp damage, reduced by 2 thanks to armor, results in 4 "penetrating" damage, that 4 is multiplied by 3, resulting in 12 damage, a major wound to be certain.

Feel free to roll Iain's defense if you would like, I'll give a target number, to help speed things along.

Here is a handy little chart.



Example:

There is also the pain penalties to factor, if you would like. People who are injured generally take a penalty to actions the next round equal to damage dealt. Unless they have something like High Pain Threshold, etc.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 273):

Called Shock, B419.

That's the term. Thanks Mustafa.

Interesting, as that hit chart is different yet from the one in the 4e GMs screen from back in the earlier mid 2000's  ...  Nothing like continually changing the rules ...
We'll adjust the wife's damage down as well. Most of it was blow through as it is..

YEs GM is still on!!

@Iain Now that was a good fight.

I'd call it an ugly fight ... not good to suffer so much loss, 8 HP in most games is close to lethal.

This message was deleted by the player at 03:27, Sat 10 Aug 2019.

I'd agree, ugly.

But I tried to stay true to character. Iain had to go toe to toe against trained, armored swordsmen, his family was in danger.

He comes from a humble background, no real armor, a hunting bow, and a knife.

This should give him ample motivation to seek out better equipment and training in the future. He knows what he is in for after that fight, and now, it's personal :)

Hell yeah, war has been declared !!!

Nice worK! nice fight :)

Come on GM! am itching for the next one

Me too...

It's your fault you addicted players...lol



You got us addicted now give us our fix.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:18, Sat 10 Aug 2019.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 285):

There is a reason I want to see if I can afford a few more troops!

LOL

We need our fix...lol..loving it.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 287):

Nasty for Iain. But at least he saved her honour, and gave her a chance. And his sons. Healing i medieval times was never great. Actually, prior to antibiotics, really. But this was a severed artery...unless I am mistaken.

In reply to Mustafa Zephyr (msg # 288):

Basically ... and applying healing ointment would likely heal the artery closed.

In reply to Mustafa Zephyr (msg # 288):

Meant gaming fix.  Yeah leeches and urine.  Though drinking ones urine is thought to be health. Seem Iain is satisfied that he got chance to do his all.

Absolutely, yeah.

It was a good fight, a hard fight, but there seemed to be a real chance of varying degrees of success or failure. Had Iain died himself trying to get to his family, I would have certainly understood, and probably would have asked to roll up another character.

Although his wife did perish in the fight, I feel at least something was "earned" through the scene, even if it was only keeping his sons alive.

I could tell. It was a great hard fought fight. You both outdid your selves.

LOL
@ Mustafa he did the math on them.


and your workers got families with 5 kids each.
and little susie she's sick
and gregor's dear mama, needs medicine, you know that's not cheap...ROFLMAO

<add applicable blood from a stone image here--labeled for reuse of course)

Squeeze them npc's balls till gm makes them cry tears of gold.

:P

Word of he day
HAGGLE IT UP!

Medieval Whoop!

@Mustafa watch this
Top original
Bottom translated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT09O3tqaT4

I am sorry lack of sleep? role-play withdrawal?

Now img post addiction.

Its a serious illness, I am seeking help.

oooh where forth art thou Juliet?
How many coins to make your coochie wet?


Cry Havick! For the dogs of war want anow.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:00, Sun 11 Aug 2019.

Go get some sleep. A Lot of it it seems.

That's some funny stuff.

LOL love how you end it at seems,
tried woke up like 4 hours later.
Up now, unless I want to mess myself up for tomorrow.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:47, Sun 11 Aug 2019.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 294):

Lol, serious sleep deprivation there!

LOL

Hah, some stark contrast here.

Iain's thread: I'll use her first name instead of her title, that will show some degree of intimacy.

Kory's thread: We gon fuck!
This message was last edited by the player at 21:37, Sun 11 Aug 2019.

LOLROFLMAO@Iain

Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7yJt4tmp0Y

Had to google it.

reeve1
/rēv/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: reeve; plural noun: reeves

    historical
    a local official, in particular the chief magistrate of a town or district in Anglo-Saxon England.
        Canadian
        the president of a village or town council.

Congrats you didn't even have to bone her..lol
This message was last edited by the player at 21:42, Sun 11 Aug 2019.

Kory, you're th eright kind of mad.

I like it.

Thanks dude :)

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 298):

Actually she runs the barony as the Duke's steward, Iain assists by acting as magistrate (Judge). ; as a senior Forester, he has police powers, so she perhaps made a poor choice.  Of course, if there is a conflict of offices, Millicent is fully empowered to step in and act as judge.

In reply to Finger of Fate (msg # 301):

He'll just have to get her addicted :P so she'll continue to follow his lead.


LOL

Padrag surprised your up too.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 303):

It is only 1915 here...what time zones are you guys in?

5:46 am here Eastern Standard, US you?
This message was last edited by the player at 09:48, Mon 12 Aug 2019.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 305):

Australian EST, 1954 at this time stamp. GMT +10, so 14 hours ahead of you.
This message was last edited by the player at 09:57, Mon 12 Aug 2019.

Ahh an aussie, been ages sinced I chatted with on of you. You would happen to be Lars on yahoo, years ago? Was a buddy I lost touch with. Its a big world, but a small gurps community.

I'm in the UK

:)

GMT all the way

you got the same 14 hour lead?

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 307):

Not that small, Kory! Was not me. I know quite a few GURPsers here, but not a Lars. So only 2:00 am for Padraig. Scotland or Ireland, I bet! Lol, GMT = +0 hrs, which is about right as Greenwich is in the UK. ROFL.

LOL
Random, shot, I have ran into weirder coincidences.

Been cool as hell if you was.

Im like 5hrs infront of EST

So, actually I live near Manchester in England.

Grandad was from Ireland though, and I lived in Wales for a good while.
Looking at buying a house in the highlands though :) So i can be honourary scottish :)

Sorry fell asleep. Up now, LOL All those spots sound like far off fantasy lands not real places someone I chat with online lives.

I hear Scottish I think highlander. The movie not the place.

Aye,

There can be only one!

I go to the highlands multiple times per year. Snowboarding, and just to head out into the closest thing to 'wilderness' that the UK has.

I guess to me only having traveled to a few countries in the military. Those names are names, I heard on TV but never really checked out.

And the GM is in US Mountain Standard time ... always. None of the Daylight saving here, we have plenty without it as it is.
GMT -7 IIRC

A least I don't think of American towns as far off lands. :)

You may if you travel to some of them...

As our resident American, I can confirm that my country boasts a wide variety of cultures, beliefs and income levels.

LOL, believe or not as someone who doesn't like to travel I been to a lot of places.

In reply to Iain Woodward (msg # 320):

As ONE OF our resident Americans...  Kory is East Coast it seems... I am in the SW ... assume you are East Coast somewhere?

Be cool if he is in same town

West Coast.

Your on my sisters side of the country.

Spread across the globe it seems

Thats how my family is all across country, good news is disaster in ay one area won't wipe us out.

Whoo-hoo another red head...nice...just need to make it official..hehe
Nice group d pic of her.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:03, Mon 12 Aug 2019.

I blame Iain for gm's blood-lust.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 328):

Not everyone can see her as not everyone is in Catheron.

I want the blood though!

In reply to Padraig MacTire (msg # 331):

As long as its not mine lol

DAmn!

I have to share with Runt! :)

How many arms you got...lol


"Her last words were spit in my mouth" --Batman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDX6OgYDDWo
This message was last edited by the player at 08:47, Tue 13 Aug 2019.

Padrag you have found Medieval Area 51

OOC in OOC
Searches for youtube link or picture

How skimpy female armor works 50 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obAd0zAFMTI
This message was last edited by the player at 17:37, Tue 13 Aug 2019.

Just need some girls to wear it for me :)

LOL, love the female armor tropes.

In reply to Kory Dear (msg # 335):

That was pretty dumb ... and she looked pretty bored as well.
I'd presume it creates some sort of force field so it doesn't affect her DX.

LOL


My theory
Its made from Tithril, a rare metal that only female's may wear.
It function's by drawing male gazes and attracting missile attacks away from the non-armored body-parts.

An unfortunate side effect of wearing the armor; is that during melee attack, the armor
sometime drags the wearer.

You should see her block a swords!

:P

Now that was as good as the youtube blurb was wasted... Need to remember that one.

LOL

Poor Padraig, he broke into Area 51 discovered fort Knox, if it becomes known that you found Blasters; both the FBI and Mafia will come after you.

Now what person do you know might have Oppositional defiant disorder are you friendly with?

and if push came to shove, I am sure we could find a boat.

Though I ain't going to lie, I do enjoy having my own thread.

Crossovers can be fun.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:01, Tue 13 Aug 2019.

Yup ... so all we need to do is see how you find out he needs help.

I've met him he's hornier than Kory.

Heading out to denmark tomorrow, i guess my posting might slow down a little.

Enjoy your trip dude. You all travel countries like we do cities.

Europe's pretty small :)

You know I had to google that statement...lol

In terms of landmass, the United States and Europe are similar in size—the United States is 9,833,000 square kilometers while Europe is 10,180,000 square kilometers—however, European countries are closer in size to eastern states in America (which are smaller and closer together than western states).

He's just a bit of a hedonist.