Out-of-character discussion.

for lack of any other information i can find i am using the above information found in the gm request thread to build my lvl 1 character

I am doing the same.

DM can you r mail the other posters from the GM wanted thread and see who wants to come?

I would but I’m not sure which one of them is already here as Clover

In reply to Beagan WobbleCog (msg # 4):

Good idea. I'll get on that.

|Looks like I screwed up the link I posted in the looking for GM forum by not mentioning the adult setting on the game. Not sure how I can resolve this since I can't post in that forum. Will look into it tomorrow.

I have made that mistake a few times on a few sites. be humble, own your mistake. and make i sincere apology to the site admins. we are all human, and make mistakes, as long as we all learn from out mistakes everything will smooth itself out in the end.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:40, Sat 25 Jan 2020.

I don't recommend either of us rmailing anyone. because the there are site rules against "advertising for a game you don't control"

Agreed

DM anything you specifically disallow?

I got the impression from our communication, that he is new-ish to the GM role so lets keep that in mind, but if we keep our selves balanced I think we as a group could contain a bit of specialty as long as it is completely explainable in 3 sentence or less.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:09, Sun 26 Jan 2020.

I am beginning to worry about our gm he has not logged in since the 25th.

That’s not super disconcerting
But it is a little

were you thinking about a bit of customization with alternate class features?

Not really my plan was factotum
And maybe do something later on like a level in master of masks

Doesn't sound crazy to me.

But then as a gm I place all the books in the middle of the table. And say, you have this much rope...don't hang yourself...as I watch players have a fit when I use the same resources, feeling it is unfairly biased in my favor.

For example ... apparently one lvl 12 non gestalt wizard (my character) is too powerful for 9 lvl 15 gestalt half of which have access to lvl 9 spells...oh and I am not even the GM in that game.

I looked back at the original thread and one person posted back they didn’t want the game to have adult themes

Can DM change it?

Has DM stopped by?

yes gm can change the rating

no the gm has not checked in since the 25th

adult rated games are not something that is necessarily X rated, but largely that is what it is used for.

mature is sufficient for any run of the mill DND game, as long as players are not going into detailed paragraph long description of gore violence and what not.

i use adult ratted for games I run because my games border on Cthulhu, saw movie, and have a Tarantino dark and brutal reality. which is why i did not volunteer to run the game. I am quite dark and twisted. that did not seem to fit with the little folk feel that was requested for in the advertisement.

My kingmaker game is because bandits do all sorts of bad behavior
In my version they show up with a girl and tell Oleg to collect on her services

And if she escapes his wife will take the girl’s place
This message was last edited by the player at 02:40, Wed 29 Jan 2020.

Sorry, ended up having a busy weekend and Monday at work so couldn't spend time online.

I changed the game rating to mature as I think that will be better. started at adult as a safe level for anything that might come up but I don't expect this game to be too graphic other than occasional descriptions of violence.

I will post this in the looking for players section and give it a couple of days to attract players. Hopefully we can get the people from the 'looking for GM' thread and a few others to round out the party.

Great news indeed!

yay (happy dance)

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now Beagan how are we planing on building those horribly broken characters, to make the gm cry and derail the campaign 45 times a second......


oh sorry forgot to put that in private text....nothing to see here....these are no the droids you are looking for...

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but seriously i need an answer to a question.

the sling and more specifically the halfling warsling (page 155 races of faerun)

rules as written state that str is applied to damage like with "thrown weapons"...but when it comes to the range...is it a thrown weapon with a max of 5 range increments (making the max range 250 ft, decent range) or is it classified in with the bows as a projectile weapon concerning range, using 10 range increments (making the range 500 ft, not unbelievable)
This message was last edited by the player at 15:04, Wed 29 Jan 2020.

My plan involves Making sure I spend at least one skill point in the most esoteric skills possible just for fun..
And skill tricks too

Autohypnosis nice situational tricks
Iaijutsu focus extra damage to flat footed opponents and objects (the reason gremlins are so destructive)
Truespeak, mostly for the spells

Skills that never get any time in play; because all skills are class skills

I can also find/disable traps

well ok then, now i don't feel so bad about making that joke.

that is a strong plan, I like it.

I will top that with "i can hit things with my sling, that i can not see with my maxed out spot check."

In reply to Clover (msg # 23):

Then this skill trick might be for you..
This message was lightly edited by the player at 18:17, Wed 29 Jan 2020.

the invisible foes is not the problem. the problem is telling the difference between a horse from an orc at 200 paces.

“She looks like a horse!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

dude looks like a lady
This message was last edited by the player at 22:51, Wed 29 Jan 2020.

Any ideas on your starting feats
Are you going standard fighter?

exotic weapon proficiency (halfling warsling)
and
weapon focus in the same weapon

Strongheart Halfling recently returned from magic studies in Lady's College in Silverymoon and Conjurer. (bows)

So it looks like we have seven players with another potential joiner. I will close the looking for players for now.

I have 4 methods for generating the initial ability scores, vote for what you prefer. First to three wins otherwise we will have a runoff for the two most popular choices.

1) 4d6 for each, drop the lowest roll (or highest if you are a masochist)

2)22d6, drop lowest 4, arrange remaining 18 into groups of three. Should allow an 18 or a couple of very high stats plus a few low ones, or a character well balanced across all six. Nice system because it allows you to arrange the dice any way you like.

3) 18, 15, 13, 12, 10, 8

4) 17, 16, 15, 11, 10, 9

I like the first method....

I've never tried #2 so that could be interesting...

I'll do Ranked Choice Voting here so if #2 is eliminated please use my second vote :)

2) My first choice. It could be fun!
1) Second choice
3) Third choice, I prefer this for a fixed array.
4) ...

Also, I think a good starting point for a group is level 3.....level  1 I think is kinda hard for spellcasters, limiting their spells between memorisation.


Btw.....Galen, your gnome Cleric here (though poses as a wizard)




Hi
This message was last edited by the player at 07:18, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

The second method is one I invented back in the 2ed days. Never seen anyone else use it. Although you lose 2 dice compared to the 4d6 method, you gain by being able to mix the dice pool into combinations you prefer. If you have never done it why not give it a couple of spins and see what kind of scores you get?

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I would assume that to gain the strength bonus you would have to use the lower range. BUt if someone can find an official rule on it I will accept it.

I really have to pack it in for tonight. Should have plenty of time tomorrow to continue with the planning. I still need to get a map of Green Town posted for you. Not that it will be overly important where everything is at the start.

Hi folks, I haven't decided on what I'd like to play yet as I'm happy to arrange something to fit in with the rest of the group, which it seems to me so far consists of:
  Beagan: Gnome factotum
  Clover: Halfling fighter (ranged?)
  Tydor: Halfling conjurer
  Galen: Gnome cleric/illusionist
This message was last edited by the player at 08:26, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

My Cleric is a gnome Cleric of brandobaris, gnome god of thieves and illusions. His focus will be the magic/illusion side, and eventually be a Cleric/illusionist, so won't be your typical stand up front with a mace and shield Cleric. He is more a spellcaster Cleric, using magic to help others and when he gets wizard spells, illusion spells

System 2 for ability scores could be fun.

I would be willing to do 2
Note that the die roller though has a 20 die limit when showing individual die rolls

3 is 2nd choice

i did 11d6 drop 2 twice :)

I'm your local circus performer :) hint hint :)
This message was last edited by the player at 13:04, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

Not sure

  I was going to say I didn't mind which method was used, but actually I'll go for 2 as it's the best for avoiding odd stat values.

The opportunity to get higher scores would be worth my time to use the 2nd stat generation method.

Also I am a ranged fighter but by ranged I do mean "out of melee range"

Also to you crafting inclined characters...keep in mind that the sling I chose as my main weapon is designed to throw larger then average items like potions...so potions at Max of 500 ft instead of just 50. It has a numerous tactical benifits.

I had initially applied as a Fighter going for the Warslinger PRC, but it seems that Clover has that base covered pretty well!

I'll shift to what my second idea was of eventually aiming for the Halfling Outrider PrC, so starting as either a ranger or a druid. I'll have to see stats and pre-req's for the PrC.

I saw somewhere that DM Neogi is newer to DM'ing? So should we avoid things like Complete Adventurer feats (Devoted Tracker)?

Is there a list of approved sources @GM Neogi or is it pretty wide open?

EDIT: oof both of my 11d6 rolls weren't even average. Is there a threshold to re-roll?
This message was last edited by the player at 18:00, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

I'd say 1 full reroll, especially if you rolled bad (for both sets of 11d6 :) )

My goal is Gnome Giant-Slayer

So Races of Stone and Complete Warrior beyond PHB is what I'll need

Planning to be Rogue/Ranger until I qualify (Which given feats will be 7th level to take 1st level gnome giant slayer)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:52, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

  So I'm thinking Eldritch Disciple (Cleric/Warlock): You can never have too much divine power.

  I find https://anydice.com/ useful for comparing rolling methods: Try entering output [highest 18 of 22d6]/6 (the /6 is to give average stat) vs output [highest 3 of 4d6].
This message was last edited by the player at 18:55, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

So based on the recently posted add for the game, where the GM said we can do anything we want. And his follow up to that where he said he would research anything he does not know ur understand
...and...
someone else wanting to be a ranged fighter...

There is a "caster" class I have really wanted play.

If the group is amenable. I would like to propose to the group that I switch to the "horribly unplayable and underpowered" truenamer.

Thoughts... opinions...etc

A cleric warlock and a cleric illusionist.

Two peas in a pod

Egads man I should have never mentioned taking a rank in truespeak !
Now the whole can of worms had been opened!

Well that neither sounds supportive not against it. But I don't want to step on your toes. So that is why I want opinions.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:09, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

That sounds ok to me.

Can everybody shout out your race and class....i want to make something well rounded and thinking maybe a druid or bard (Tom gnome....stick with your cleric /warlock and I'll alter mine)

My scores with racial modifiers ...

Strength 7  -2
Dexterity 18  +4
Constitution 15  +2
Intelligence 18  +4
Wisdom 9 -1
Charisma 12 +1

Okay not strong but has other advantages.

Conjurer (Wizard)

  Tom_Gnome could well be more on the melee side, since I think that may be where we're lacking, so if Galeyn is more stand-back, there won't be much overlap.

  Tom_Gnome: Lesser deep gnome (PGF191) Cleric (going into Warlock & Eldritch Disciple)

In reply to Clover (msg # 51):

Will not be on my toes at all....
I like the flavor of a factotum knowing about it and using a few of the low level spells
Bulwark of reality comes to mind

Plus it might make for some stimulating in character discussions

I have never went into the true speak classes.

Maybe with a rank I can aid in true name research!

  DM, can you rename me Theo Metuckle? Ta.

halfling

true namer 3

  Dice roller still doesn't like me :( 61 points to distribute between 6 stats: there's gotta be a re-roll or one of the arrys.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:34, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

Wellby Tosscobble - probably Stout halfling - Ranger going for Halfling Outrider PrC

If re-rolls are allowed, I got much better this time. Total of 75 pts to distribute.

If re-rolls are not allowed, I'm in your boat, 62 points...
This message was last edited by the player at 22:15, Thu 30 Jan 2020.

Since Tom us going a cleric/warlock, and usually a ranger, I may go a druid

Have we decided on a starting level?
This message was last edited by the player at 00:24, Fri 31 Jan 2020.

Are we talking about starting at third level or am I confused?

The gm is flexible with this so I think 3rd would be good, but what do others think?

Just that at level 1 arcane casters are limited with spells per day and cam use them up in 2-3 rounds. With multiple enemies then they may face someone uninjured and have no spells.

At 3rd they have a little leeway.

Thoughts?

In reply to Galeyn Onyxdawn (msg # 62):

I'm down with starting at 3rd for PBP games. More survivable but not too complicated to build.

As long as DM's good with it.

So let's make it 3rd level to start.

My 22d6 remove 4 seems to be popular so we can use that if you want. If the total is below 70 then reroll. remember that the 18 dice that are kept have to be sorted into rolled groups of three, not pool all the points then split them as you like.

Max HP to start and max coin. All standard equipment can be taken for free considering you are at 3rd to begin. There will be some magic items handed out once you've finished all character creation and I can see what classes you are.

Once your character is completed please post in the Character Introductions thread.

I'll also post a few house rules in a new thread.

Wowzers!

question for the GM. but i would like the oppinion of my fellow players.

context: contradictions within the same resource.

both instances exist in text, so there is no clear precedent for text overriding a chart.

both mentions are the foundation of the truenamer class "the law of sequence" and the definition of an "utterance"

for reference here are some quotes. I will quote them in the order they appear in the book, I will highlight my need for a ruling on the rules

quote:

The language of truenames is more than just a list of names. Most of the language consists of the truename equivalent of nouns. In terms of game effect, there’s a truename for “orc,” for “door,” and for “sword.” But from the truenamer’s point of view, it’s much more complex. There’s a word for “orc berserker charging toward me,” a word for “iron-bound, locked wooden door with something unknown on the other side,” and a word for “flame tongue long-sword wielded by an ally.”
...
Truenames can also name actions, such as “vanish,” “sharpen,” or “destroy.”

this seems to set up the idea that there is a very large or near infinite combination of words

download:

A description of a creature (“halfling”), place (“forest”), thing (“dagger”), or action (“destroy”), delivered in the primal language of the universe. Each truename is exceedingly specific and incredibly difficult to pronounce aloud.

this seems to continue the idea that there is a very large or near infinite combination of words

Utterance::

A combination of a truename that describes an action with a truename that describes the subject of that action. This is the most important class feature of the truenamer class.

this seems to indicate that each utterance is unique as long as the same ally is not targeted with the same effect building on the expansive possibilities

UTTERANCES:

An utterance is a combination of words in Truespeech that describe a creature, place, or object to be affected and the desired effect (such as “control speed” or “wreathe in fire”). By putting these truenames together in exacting fashion, you create a rudimentary sentence in the true language of the universe—an utterance.

this seems to "double down" on the idea that each utterance is unique.

bob can jump extra high, because effect #1
bill can jump extra high, because effect #1
goblin can not jump at all, because reverse effect #1

THE LAW OF SEQUENCE:

All utterances obey the Law of Sequence. If you speak an utterance with an ongoing duration, you can’t speak that utterance again until the duration of that utterance ends. It’s okay to use a different utterance while the first is still active, however. It’s also okay to use a higher-level version of an utterance while a lower-level version is active, or vice versa, because these constitute different utterances. The reverse of an utterance is treated as the same utterance for the purpose of the Law of Sequence.

For example, you could speak a 2nd-level lesser word of nurturing utterance on one ally, then target another ally with a 1st-level minor word of nurturing utterance. But you could not use the 2nd-level lesser word of nurturing utterance on an ally, and while it was still in effect, target an ally with the same utterance or an enemy with the reverse of that utterance.

this seems to "undo" all the indications of uniqueness in the utterances

so here is the question

using the lexicon of the evolving mind "speed of the zepher" to boost Beagan's speed by 20 per pound for 5 rounds....the same as the reversed effect on a goblin to reduce its speed by 10...are they the same


edit: answered my own question by taking a literal translation based on the last official printed reference from WOTC
This message was last edited by the player at 18:45, Sat 01 Feb 2020.

I have never made sense of that class.

The one thing I do know is max out the true speak skill

This might help;
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Truenamer

wiki's are notoriously misleading but yes maxing out the skill is needed. He will end up spending more gp on a single item to boost that one skill then another character will invest in all thier gear combigned. it is a very asymetric class and my above questions is quibling over a dc increase of +2 but every bit i can lower the dc is gp my character will not vacume up. but on the plus side the feats i am taking will allow me to use all the un-needed gear magic or other wise...wand of a spell no one will ever cast... nom nom...armor that wont fit any one...non nom...and i will (coin on hand depending) give 100% of market value for unwanted gear.

Perhaps there is a better written version that we could use.
Let me look.

Here was a discussion on translation of the class into pathfinder

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2...Pathfinder-Truenamer

It is this way in the pathfinder srd
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/alter...c/classes/truenamer/
This message was last edited by the player at 18:44, Fri 31 Jan 2020.

oh there is nothing wrong with the 3.5 version. I just want to get he weird questions out of the way. the answers to my questions wont change what i play or the equipment i use to do it.

all that will change is if i pay super close to the duration of my effects, and if/when i dismiss effects. which in and of it's self is no problem. I just want to get my proverbial duck in the right order.

but the answers i need will come from the gm, it is his world, i am just rying to understand the laws that govern it.

edit: answered my own question
This message was last edited by the player at 18:43, Sat 01 Feb 2020.

I need some help to find Wizard and Conjurer specific alternative features.

The Teleport Jaunt or whatever its called replacing class feature I believe the familiar but I could be wrong.

And I recall I can drop another school ,add a prohibited school, to three to add a specialization school bonus spell. Might be wrong on this.

I'm missing some books and the online searches have limitations.

The old crystal keep PDFs are still floating around.

https://files.meetup.com/94518...dex-Classes-Base.pdf

Immediate Magic ACFs is what you’re looking for.

Abrupt Jaunt - yes you lose your familiar
Focused Specialization (not on the crystal keep pdf) - you lose one generalist slot but gain two slots for your focused school. You also have to take a 3rd banned school

Yes like wealth for 3rd level I found 3,750 gold

Hopefully Google fu lets you find everything
I like realmshelp.net

In reply to Beagan WobbleCog (msg # 73):

Pretty sure WBL at 3rd is only 2,700, but I thought GM's post said to just pick any normal equipment. Anything magical would come from them after our sheet is completed.

That is what he said

In reply to Wellby Tosscobble (msg # 72):

Thanks. (hugs)

I'll drop Evocation (conjuration has plenty of offensive options), Illusion/Phantasm (few spells of interest) and Necromancy (creepy for any proper wizard to use).

Are Traits being used?

In reply to Wellby Tosscobble (msg # 74):

Sounds good to me
Anyone else going Assassins Creed?
I mean gnome quick razor?

I think I’ve changed my mind. I’m going ranger headed for Beastmaster PrC.

Ive gone a spellcasting druid (and changed to a female gnome).


...Should be interesting

DM
Does Psionics exist in your game?
I only intend to put a single skill point into the relevant skill(s) if it does.

Fellow players
Anyone doing anything Psionic?

I see the discussion on character traits, what about flaws to earn feats.

if so can flaws be taken at level 3 instead of lvl 1

answered my own question taking flaws at lvl 1 and using the "retraining" mechanic found in PHB2.

digging a proverbial hole without a ladder and taking enough proverbial rope climb out of my "awesome" hole

choices have conciquences and boy have i made some choices to make the truenamer class into a playable character.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:40, Sun 02 Feb 2020.

Re-reading the true namer class reminds me of the magic system in novel in the Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini

The first book was also a movie
Eragon

In reply to Beagan WobbleCog (msg # 80):

I wasn't thinking of using psionics but if people want them you can take them.

I added a map for the valley where the game will start. Really rough map, not to scale, my first time using Inkarnate and a lot of the better icons are for paying susbscribers. Will look around for another online mapmaking site for a different style of map.

Oh I definitely feel your pain with map making. I have spent well over $200 on map making software only for it to be utter bulvine scatology.

Map looks good...
I like the utility of one map for town and some surrounding areas

I assume the town might occupy 10 acres whereas each woods area might be 100 or a 1000+ times larger.

I also assume numerous river tributaries (and lakes) in the Dells and rivers flowing into the woods and through or near the town towards the left of the map....
This message was last edited by the player at 16:52, Sun 02 Feb 2020.

Sorry guys I"ve been bedridden the last couple days. Nasty cold/flu hopefully I can get my sheet done soon.

Tydor plans a known woodworking shop with many easy to display things especially smoking pipes, with another's craft for the mechanism music boxes, staves, figures and can do furniture, wood armor to order and coffins likely decorated to honor the dead's life or what they liked. And toys for children including games. Taking 10 all items would be DC 22. Sold for a very decent price. His home in back and his mage's sanctum with his master spell book.

Medical issue going to see DR `and may bneed to go to the ER.

I hope everyone a speedy recovery!!

Prayers for a speedy recovery here too.

Being a health care worker i say look after yourself and wish a speedy recovery

DM - I still can't access my character sheet?

Sorry to hear that Ty. Take care.

  Is mithril full plate standard equipment, I wonder? It's not magical ;)

In reply to Tom_Gnome (msg # 95):

I suppose if the cost to craft it is under starting wealth

Maybe a dwarven mine in the mountains beyond the dell.
Good customers for pipes and pipe weed

I suppose this is also a DM question
Who are our neighbors?
This message was last edited by the player at 13:35, Tue 04 Feb 2020.

overburdened past heavy load, but ready to go

Sorry, I've been quite busy the last few days and not much time to post anything. Hopefully will be back in the saddle tomorrow.

I'm working on sheet finally feeling some better

Can I have access to eedit my character sheet here?

In reply to Orlen (msg # 99):

Did you check again today? DM posted in the other thread that they'd opened them up for people?

Yes and mine does not allow me to edit it.

I am saying it takes a minute to get the functionality of rpol down: especially a player going to DM

@Orlen - Ok, didn't know if you'd checked since the DM's message is all!

In reply to Beagan WobbleCog (msg # 102):

totally!

I'll finish today and post my sheet.

Hmmm, I set all character sheets to be editable by their player. Let me look again.

Okay, I set all the sheets to 'user editable' if it still doesn't work then PM me the sheet and I'll add it myself and keep it updated until I can figure out what's going on. Other players have been able to enter their sheets, yes?

My sheet is editable
And I have been constantly updating it!

all good here.

I have been editing over and over.

My sheet is ready

I can edit it now :), I"m working on getting it all in there :)

In reply to Orlen (msg # 110):

Is Orlen an archer type?

Orlen carries a bow....Orlen seems to carry a lot of weapons

He is only 1st level in Ranger and thus hasn't taken a combat style
My feats are dodge and mobility (needed for gnome giant slayer)

Slings use the 10 range increment max and strength bonus applies up to maximum range.

Projectile Weapons

Light crossbows, slings, heavy crossbows, shortbows, composite shortbows, longbows, composite longbows, hand crossbows, and repeating crossbows are projectile weapons. Most projectile weapons require two hands to use (see specific weapon descriptions). A character gets no Strength bonus on damage rolls with a projectile weapon unless it’s a specially built composite shortbow, specially built composite longbow, or sling. If the character has a penalty for low Strength, apply it to damage rolls when he or she uses a bow or a sling

You did remember yo halve all armor and weapons for small size?
1/4 on lot of gear
course you have only 3/4s normal carrying load as a small creature

it is not halve it is 1/4 and yes i did remember that, but thank you for the reminder about the 3/4 reduction in carry weight. his heavy load is corrected to 15 lbs, and he was carrying 30.79 lbs...now he is carrying 2 lbs
This message was last edited by the player at 21:53, Thu 06 Feb 2020.

According to SRD armor and weapon weight is half

Weight

This column gives the weight of a Medium version of the weapon. Halve this number for Small weapons and double it for Large weapons.

Weight

This column gives the weight of the armor sized for a Medium wearer. Armor fitted for Small characters weighs half as much, and armor for Large characters weighs twice as much.

I'm strong for a gnome
This message was last edited by the player at 21:59, Thu 06 Feb 2020.

well that was worse then i thought


because orrigionaly my halfling with 1/4 weight gear was over butdened by human standards, but everything is fixed now. all that is in the past.

give me some time and a sprinkle of my own magic and i will chalenge you to a weight lifting competition.

but i have to finish building my polio braces of +999 strength
This message was last edited by the player at 22:50, Thu 06 Feb 2020.

Lots of nifty tricks to reduce weight

My favorite is the spy buttons Dragon #316
The buttons can flash, smoke and bang
Way less weight than smokesticks and thunderstones; just a super fashionable
Dr. Who scarf

I got to thinking if you were using Mithral armor then it would be halved again and thus would be a quarter :).

And if you craft it yourself it’s also cheaper!

oh i am good on the equipment front. I am good for a while.

For now I would see if there is anyone else that would need help.

P.S. once I have gold on hand again I will pay 105%  of market value for any thing and everything.


Points at rock giant just threw at me...what is the market value of this...nom nom ..my gear gets better.


P.P.S. with that magic spread sheet I already know that the tradegood value of raw undressed stone is 2 copper per 5 cubic feet
This message was last edited by the player at 03:07, Fri 07 Feb 2020.

Going to ER again, be offline don't know how long.

Very sorry to hear, prayers for you.

I spent two months in hospitals end of last year, no fun

 My wife spent a total of a month and a half at the beginning of the 2019.. But because of the neumonia they found the cancer and got it all before it could spread. So mixed blessings.
You are in my prayers

Take care
I hope it is nothing serious

Bless all of you

My character is ready for GM review

Damn, sorry to hear that Ty. Get well, friend.

So I think that we are just about ready to start. There are a few last bits of character creation and what-not that need to be completed but we can start things going and fill in the missing parts as we go along.

I added a second map showing the lands of Damara. The valley where we are starting in in the south between Valls and the Monastery of the Yellow Rose (spelt wrong on the map or was that intentional by Greenwood or whomever back in the day?), closer to Valls. Nice and close to the monastery for all you monk PCs.

I assume that this will be more of a sandbox game so you all can get up to what you want but I do have a short introductory adventure to get things rolling.

link to a message in another game

for those that like the book keeping and want an insight into the notes that clover is taking. here is a thread that I will use to track the information that clover knows.

Well I needed an in so being near my home and shop introduces me well and an excuse to help.

Great! Jump on in! (and by that I mean not 'down the hole', but 'into the party'.)

I forgot to give you al starting magic items for being 3rd level. How about having your primary weapon be +1 and 2 potions of healing.

Could I have crafted a custom Wondrous Item I have some budget ideas okus the potions instead I fight like crap. lol

  Theo tries to avoid using weapons and can cast curing spells, so a value of magic items might be better.

Good point. I'll come up with a list of items for everyone to choose from.

In reply to DM Neogi (msg # 135):

Some Ideas for DM based on the +1 Weapon cost, select up to 2,000 gp in items

+1 Weapon                                              2,000 gp
   Note if a double weapon only 1 side magical
Handy Haversack                                        2,000 gp
Efficient Quiver & up to 200 gp of weapons for it      2,000 gp
Ring of Protection +1                                  2,000 gp
Pearl of Power 1st level                               1,000 gp
  Note you can pick this twice and have 2
Amulet of Natural Armor +1                             2,000 gp
Cloak of Resistance +1                                 1,000 gp
Bracers of Armor +1                                    1,000 gp
+1 Armor                                               1,000 gp
+1 Shield                                              1,000 gp
Add 1 1st Level Spell to Your Spellbook                  150 gp
  Note: This is for an existing spell, can be taken multiple times
Add 1 2nd Level Spell to Your Spellbook                  300 gp
  Note: This is for an existing spell, can be taken multiple times
Researched a unique 1st Level Spell                    1,000 gp
  Note: Spell subject to DM approval, can take more than once
Researched a unique 2nd Level Spell                    2,000 gp
  Note: Spell subject to DM approval
Wand of Cure Light Wounds (50 charges)                   750 gp
Wand of Detect Magic (50 charges)                        375 gp
Wand of Enlarge Person (50 charges)                      750 gp

clover would be happy with anything, and looks forward to being surprised.

when it comes down to it, every thing has a use,... if a person is creative enough.

That's just SRD stuff, lots of other possibilities.
Just was suggesting

So how about 3000gp worth of magical equipment to start. From the list above or from DMG chapter 7.

at what point in time are we (did we) receive said items.

My choices

Clover:

It's easier to just take them now and ignore the past unless you want to add backstory.

Handy haversack and a couple wands cure light wounds and detect magic, should be easy to include!

easier yes, but I was making sure, because like you said it could change the back story of some characters. Not that i am afraid of making those changes, I just don't want to be the reason the game stalls.

It would be wise only to use that feather fall ring in an emergency. I mean if you tried to use it instead of the rope and there was a dispel magic cast on the area then we'd be looking at a small, halfling sized, splatter all over the floor. Theo and his spider walk was also playing with fire.

When you've chosen your magic items and entered them on your sheets we can resume.

Mine are on my sheet :)

still working on them....a busy few days

Doctors visits today and tomorrow so will try to post I need to finish things for my character as well like a description.

In reply to Tydor Tenderwhyne (msg # 149):

Hope things improve for you

Sorry to hear that you're still fighting the medical fight, bud.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:51, Wed 19 Feb 2020.

Please get well soon.

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As a magic user, AMF and dispel magic are something he always worries about. And sadly the only real defense against that is having a higher caster level then the effect trying to end yours which gets multiplicative expensive. But worth the investment for certain things.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:12, Thu 20 Feb 2020.

just got through like 8 tests. doing another one today. just popping in saying still here.

Glad you're still around! More in spirit perhaps but you'll be back eventually.

hey guys, im actually cracking into it. i have a general core idea. but id rather not get terribly outshined or overshadowed (I Do like to play with my builds so i expect to be at least somewhat sub par, but id rather not be outstandingly underpowered in comparison... you know?)

so what are some unique or special additives being used for chars? Clover looks like he has some kind of exchange thing, a flaw for a benefit, it seems familiar but not catching where. though, maybe hes just describing a min max thing.

not sure, thats why im asking.

Are we using flaws?

I don't have any flaws but I'm not sure the DM outlawed them outright, I just don't like them most of the time :)

I didn’t select any

Clover had both febrile and pathetic
This message was last edited by the player at 14:37, Fri 28 Feb 2020.

whats febrile and pathetic?

Flaws

Feable
reduce one ability by two (chose strength)

Pathetic
Take a -2 penalty on all str/Dex/con ability checks and skill checks.

Each of those penalties grants a feat at lvl 1

My character is very good at what he is good at, but like a rubber band at over extending creates a miriad of points of failure.

But to put the Truenamer class perspective

Imagine a fighter who's Bab goes up by +1 every level while the enemy has a ac that goes up by +2 per level and a +2 for every round you are fighting them.

To say that the character is doomed to fail is an understatement, but the point is to make a good story. And while he has has a two feat head start, by even mid level progression the character lacks the ability to keep up. So a lot of character wealth is directed towards a single item that boosts the skill I use to "cast" all my spell like abilities
This message was last edited by the player at 07:22, Sat 29 Feb 2020.

In reply to Clover (msg # 161):

no ones judging you, it was an example. ill do interesting character design tricks that i feel make my char rather capable and usually i end up seeing two or three others who are just super experienced at gaming char creation. its cool that they game it but if im going to be with such players then ill want to match their play style. basically, im asking how to better fit in with the group. if you are using flaws, I will probably use flaws.


anything else?

My health isn't good but after rounds of care might post something but I'll not likely leave home since it would make little sense now.

In reply to Tydor Tenderwhyne (msg # 163):

I'm sorry to hear about your health troubles, my friend.

Hey we all contribute

Tydor I'm sorry to hear, I'm praying. I had a very difficult end of the year last year, 2 months in hospital. I'm still having home health coming. I got months more to go. I can't drive right now and can't work

My family is keeping me going.

i read some of the back logs for ooc and I kind of get why you are fretting. Clover.

people who cant handle that they are underpowered only have themselves to blame when they dont use 'session 0' effectively. yes, you guys already started and i am doing a late 0 but none the less here i am communicating.

I see you guys are trying not to be too op for the sake of the gm, seeing as they are relatively new. alright, cool. so i will then trust you guys in opinion here.

gm said its ok for me to do a sword of the arcane order mystic ranger char. I gets level 5 spells, wizard and ranger spells. I dont recall if theres a way to fluff that up to higher levels (I cant remember if 3.5 or pathfinder has the feat chain that lets you get level 9 spell slots through feats alone) but probably wont.

theres a few flaws that will really work for my char (2 is the limit though). I will probably take up jack of all trades because its in my play style.

I may do a level dip in bard, the level 1 songs scale really well with level (especially counter song). I Get we are doing level 1 start, thats cool, but this is my projection and aim.

then, past that, I tend to be a sneaky sneak crafter and support player/character. thinks like alchemy, snow shows, land sleds with a sail... thats me. good fun zany ness.

anyone see any issues or have any complaints so far?
This message was last edited by the player at 03:05, Sun 01 Mar 2020.

No many GMs would cut me your a doll.

Ty & Orlen: Sorry to hear that things are so rough. We'll be around in this game for distraction when you need it! (I'd say '...when you need entertainment' but you'll be the ones to decide if I'm that good of a GM!)

I'm a bit behind on the maps, hoping to have them up later today. Still can't find a program that I like and has the features I want. The one I have been using so far is good for walls and floors but doesn't have object icons to drop in, or allow drawing on the map. I have to edit the image in some Windows drawing program to put the boys' tracks before.

YOUR DOING MAPS!!! I already love you.....

Well I was hoping for an adventuring band just small races traveling the world well doing classic adventuring not I mind this just well I like being guided. But this game could be enjoyable to if I can work on some start.

In reply to Tydor Tenderwhyne (msg # 171):

Well, i suppose every Adventuring Band has to start somewhere......  :)

  Starting level is 3rd (so they don't fall down when somebody sneezes).

This should be a short adventure to check on how DnD works on rpol. The other games I've played on here have been rules-light and this is the first time I've had to break out a heavy tome!

Once it is done and you are back on the surface then some far-ranging can begin.

I'm in no rush.  I'm happy to let the adventure unfold as it does.   :)

cool, i need to get into this faster then
level 3? 'temptation to 1/1/1 rises'

I'd advise against that. Splitting your levels three ways results in a character who isn't good enough at anything.

It might be fine starting out, then just picking one class moving forward

A three way split makes the character a bit of a dilettante, but your saving throws will be AMAZING

It is a less then optimal starting position.

But getting your 1 level dip into a two classes when the core of your build is a focus in a third...can be a nice game mechanic...and also makes an interesting background of being fickle when chosing a career.

If...you can survive long enough to level the XP penalty for multi class becomes worth it by lvl 7.

But let's be honest a -10% xp penalty per class is a big price to pay for the versatile skill set.

Well if there is a mage fair my guy could get to he could bring things wizarding folk could use and meet peers. Plus I could trade spells I never did pick my special things yet.

speaking of special items, I will renew my statement that once i have coin on hand i will pay 105% of market value for any unwanted gear

I have updated the maps. Nothing much to add to the south siders nut up north there is the kid heading west and the big footed ones going east.

if you make your core class a favored class, mines going to be ranger (sword of the arcane order), and only do a level dip in things, you dont get an xp penalty.

im already dipping in mage/wizard, its kinda how that whole thing works. I wont get level 9 spells, unless theres a feat chain me into them, but I dont need them.

so 1/2. its been a while since i played 3.5 but since this is going to be more sandbox i may dip bard or rogue because for some reason something in me says thats important. ill have to do research though.

but, yes, background/story fun explaining the level dip :) its not about the optimizing (though, I promise you won't think me useless... i make a point of it).

A bard would be handy as the party doesn't have one yet. Same with a fighter, but I guess halflings lean more towards ranger. I don't think we have a good-old-fashioned m-u either.

In reply to DM Neogi (msg # 185):

Whats an M-U?

I will probably do the 1/1/1 with mage/wizard, ranger, and bard then.
since barring extra musics and music uses. a bards abilities scale with level if you put the skill points in.

Oh yeah, magic-user. I had a flash back from earlier editions.

In reply to DM Neogi (msg # 185):

I was going to go with Fighter, but switched to Swashbuckler.  I've never gotten a chance to play one before

swashbucklers are pretty fighter ish.

what do you all think of http://www.birthright.net/foru...ines_for_D_and_D_3_5

You can multiclass in three classes still but it really only works if the one you put the most levels in is your favored class and you keep the other two low.

For example the classic Elven Fighter/Thief/Magic-User

Fighter (Armored Mage) 1, Rogue 2, Wizard 17 is a valid build, however you will rely more on Wizard and magic than 1E or 2E where you probably leaned more on Thief and Fighter.

However if you go higher say Fighter (Armored Mage) 4 to get that weapon specialization and Rogue 4 to get the uncanny dodge and then 12 Wizard means you can only cast 6th level spells.

I always have earlier edition flash backs,  thaco anyone? or combat matrices?

All the way back to 1st edition...

I stopped at pathfinder 1e

I remember Thac0 fondly....though for the life of me i don't know why

I remember THAC0 and also that - AC was better than + AC
I've played for a long time over 35 years now

Though I have not played 4E, bought the core books never used. Have not bought 5E either.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:52, Wed 04 Mar 2020.

I refuse to play 4, just everything about it seems to disgust me and I usually stop trying to force myself when I get to social action rules.

5e is kinda lame, putting extra attacks and feats as class features rather than basic char level features. it's just trying to punish people for multi classing and that pisses me off. you guys already said multi classing is suboptimal, there are some cases it works but normally no. Yet, they want to actually PUNISH multi classing as an inherent mechanical structure? rude.

it doesn't even help either cause the moment I get cunning actions for a rogue I switch classes anyways and watch as gm's scream in panic and pain while a rogue wrecks their npc's from a single bush or boulder.

another good way to compare all this.
3.5 and pathfinder vs 5e are kinda like windows 7 vs windows 10.

and 4e is like windows 8. hint/note people screamed in agony over windows 8. they jumped off that ship so fast its not even funny.

I've got friends trying to drag me kicking and screaming into 5th edition

every time a friend tries to explain how it works  I end up being surprised just how clearly broken another part of the game is.

or the flip side

being told that there is no way to replicate a character I have from 3.5

but i have been using 3.5 for the better part of 20 years so i am not changing any time soon.

In reply to Clover (msg # 196):

real quick, im looking at reserve feat healing touch. do we need it or do we have a healer?

Clover can heal party members (fast heal +2 for 5 rounds) he can do it often enough to be significant.

No real access to healing other than use magic device and getting a wand of cure light wounds
I will probably hit the skill trick related to healing, but skill tricks are only sometimes useful and limited



On a side note Pathfinder did a good job on the rewrite of the 3.5 skill list and rules
Starting skill points are not times 4
Instead when you put a point into a class skill you get a +3 bonus
No cross class skills (1 point to buy a rank in a skill)
Spot, listen became perception
Move silently and hide merged into stealth
Gather information is a use of diplomacy

yeah, agree to disagree.
the above listed reasons are the biggest reasons why i don't use pathfinder when i run games.

it is always better to have more options then less

I have characters with 3 pages of skills because there is a difference between (craft basket weaving) and (craft rattan furniture), and (craft reed-boat)

just as there is a difference in general metal working and working with specific metals (gold/silver/copper/brass/iron/etc)
This message was last edited by the player at 02:48, Thu 05 Mar 2020.

I like the pathfinder skill system.
I was very resistant for years on pathfinder but I've found I do like it skill wise.

In reply to Clover (msg # 200):

I agree, I love options.

I dont mind either 3.5 or pathfinder skill systems. though I admit the stealth all in one and search all in one tends to make me happy.

I dont mind the different catagories though, they tend to be more realistic in 3.5

ok, ill take the reserve magic feat then. I can free heal us up to half and we can stretch out the fast heals, and such, more. as a ranger, i should also get good berries (not yet, but like next level or so.) so that'll help with food needs and such. Im looking at the spell hydrafy to help against emergency thirst issues as well. coincidentally, hydrafy fits the pre requisites for healing touch. Yay.

I also tend to love using things like tears to wine or those nice, fun, alcohol making spells. Who doesnt love alcohol?

I'm just hoping this plant doesn't kill us we can't seem to hit it :P

In reply to Orlen (msg # 203):

why are you killing the poor plant?

Well it's trying to kill us

The plant isn't doing a very good job of killing you all either! This could be a long battle.

but, do you NEED to kill the poor plant?
(i swear im just playing with you)

Think of how it must taste? Your party could have rations for months if the plant is properly pickled.

In reply to DM Neogi (msg # 208):

lol, sauteed man eating plant? anyone?

nevermind what its lived off of, its your meat now. or is that too much of a pun?

  I've played one 4th and one 5th ed game: 4th was just crap; 5th not so bad, but the magic item system really bugs me. I'll stick with 3.5.
  2nd was fine, with or without the Players Options add-ons.

In reply to Theo Metuckle (msg # 210):

ive played several 5e society games.

I'm still trying to figure out the magic system of 5th edition.   It reminds me of the old Basic amd 1st edition rules of "you just find some magic items"

However there is such a thing as general or specialized knowledge and transferable skills
Craft /profession skills still allow you to pick as many options as you like:
So yes you can still pick all those options it just looks something like this
Craft (alchemy)
Craft ( armor)
Craft (poison)
Craft ( weapons)

Or maybe if it’s just a single point in three different ones
Profession (barber, soldier, sailor, herbalist)

No rule prevents you doing any of that

It is true a metallurgist may not actually know how to weld; and vice versa

I don't understand the need for most of the skills or how finely they are split. The game is supposed to be about adventurous events happening to adventurers who are out on an adventure so who cares about basket weaving or furniture making? Being able to make a boat could be useful but the other things don't seem to be worth anyone taking the time to record on their character sheet.

SPlit the metalworking into precious and practical metals and be done with it.

re: the skill list character sheet

the GM at the time was playing with the idea of a (class-less) (level less) system where everything was a skill check.

there was no xp handed out just skill points so

will save...skill check

attack...skill check

ac...skill check

not my favorite system; but it was fun to have an infinite amount of options and the ability to invent new skills. it was an attempt to replicate (sword art online) where everything is skill based.

I usually prefer a game with a bunch of pick-and-choose skills rather than classes and levels but not with so many fine subdivisions and things not related to adventure and excitement. For example, the goldsmithing from earlier; to be a skilled goldsmith requires years of study and apprenticing along with a collection of expensive, delicate tools. I doubt someone would be able to have any real skill in that profession while also being a combat trained swordsman, wizard, priest of some god, etc.

In reply to Clover (msg # 215):

that sounds like a decent system.

As for skills, ya. I agree. why does carpentry, wood working, chiseling, and boat making all need to be different?

Perhaps if one wants to insist on it, they could at least use an expanded synergy system. every related skill give s +2 or +3, up to like half the highest synergy skill.

That way if i want to make a bow but all I have is spear carving and boat making I can at least maybe get a +4 rather then a big fat 0.
this is why i tend to get things like jack of all trades. Just drop that and then comfortably focus on the important skills like stealth and perception... never have to worry again.

"ah, but do you have the skill"

"no, but fuck you cause i can roll anyways... and with a modifier"

I think I get it!!!!!
So if I want to make boats, shields, axes, totems, bowls, holy symbols,  clothing, gear and have sailing, navigation and survival skills I would just put my ranks into:
Profession (Viking)

; )

I would let a person use profession solidier to make survival, healing, etc rolls
Probably just cap the difficulty of what can be done with it

So profession herbalist can make minor poisons, minor alchemy items, etc
This message was last edited by the player at 13:19, Fri 06 Mar 2020.

It was fun but the dice mechanics were complicated.

But I don't want to distract from this game by discussion of it here.

Any chance for a community thread or maybe something I could post in like traveling to sell my goods with others outside the valley?

Did someone die?

Not yet we finally killed that vine

poor vine

That's okay.   It was stalking us

It’s just evil, not devine

did someone roll an appraise check to determine the vine's value

No but it's cut into some pieces...

In reply to Orlen (msg # 227):

whos going to watch the vine?

I keep wanting to Like all these comments

Just a stroll through the vine yard

hey guys, now that you killed my pet vine, how dare you, I'm building a mount now. Almost done and ready to take over for the late vine in stalking you folks.

In reply to Shino (msg # 231):

Cool!  Send it on over!  We need the XP!  ;)

In reply to Sir Jovius (msg # 232):

I would say its too stealthy for all that, but you guys literally killed a vine.

Tastes like okra

Sorry, gang. A bunch of people at my work are under quarantine for Covid so I have been working lots of o.t. covering for them. Should have time and be awake to resume posting in a couple of days.

Everyone gets this for sure.

Take care

It's cool thanks for letting us know, it's affecting everyone.

literally, everyone...

Take care of yourself, my friend.   We'll be here when you get back

Well, I have finished covering those nightshifts so I am awake again and back to posting. With this area of the world mostly shutdown I should have plenty of time to post.

Should I post my sheet in char details, or in your pm's, to get your stamp of approval?

Sure. PM it. I'm almost positive it will be good-to-go! Now I just need to find a way to join you up with the parties...

Hi guys! I just accepted and am working on my character.

Welcome, good to have another gnome :)

Awesome

so, whats the plan

Try and rescue at least one kid

Unfortunatly guys I am going to have to bow out of this game. Being a Nurse as well as the infection control expert in our unit, my time is busy, and it is not fair on you that my time can not be assured.

Sorry.

Oh sorry you can't stay, maybe the GM can work with you and bring you in when things are less crazy, thank you for all your work in the medical field. I know it's crazy now.

I would like that, but for now, I can't stick around.

Understood
We await your return

Thank you for your service. Stay safe.

Take care of yourself, my friend

No need to apologize! Your work is far more important than this game!

If you are willing and able to rejoin sometime in the future just let us know.

Thanks...i will

Maybe just be a ghost right now and when things settle down rejoin in full, that is leave your character etc up and just sits at the tavern or something :)

I seem to have lost my map files from earlier in the game. Will have to recreate them for you all.

I hate when that happens :(, it happens to us all though :)

Noooo!

binx, I'm waiting on you

Sorry I don’t k ow how I missed those posts!

I updated the game maps.

Gm, wich way does the blood drag trail go? which path has the majority foot prints?

Which way did the large human prints go?

feel free to edit this information into the newcomers thread.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:28, Fri 03 Apr 2020.

Since no one seems to know how Iaijutsu focus works
I am just going with using it to break the rock and free the kid

you arent in the same room as the boy, you all went into the hall and started talking.
if you look on the map, you will see the hall that goes east and west. the boy is in the room north of it.

also, as a note, iajutsu focus doesnt work any different for shattering or breaking things except to do more damage.

by the by, gm.
If Beagan insists on smashing the stone, which would also smash the part of the stone thats fuzed with the boy... thus shattering part of the boy...

Nixif is going to just stop and back off... having no part in that.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:33, Tue 14 Apr 2020.

Nice map

Thank you. it seems to not like such long, repetitive tables, but I figured out a way to make it work. I love maps

also, replying to gm's ooc question here so that the ic thread can move forward without more ooc clutter ^-^


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the above is the code for the map.

I used rpol's table script because it breaks things down into cells (like excel) and if you keep the content small then it can easily represent the 5 foot square grids.

As mentioned in the previous post, it seems to stop registering repetitive txt in the same row so if you want a bigger map then you will need to add more symbols for walls and barriers.... however, this is perfect for wilderness because you want to distinguish tress from bushes anyways.

If you JUST want marcheing oder without a map, a 5 by 5 grid can work too. (though, sometimes eccentric scouts, like myself, like to be something like 15 or 30 feet ahead of the part and that may need something like a 5 by 9 (or 9 by 5) grid. rude ass me's.



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This message was last edited by the player at 17:21, Thu 16 Apr 2020.

Where's the thumbs up emoji in rpol?

Wouldnt we have to roll initiative and enter into rounds the moment Clover tried using something to effect the rock/stone creature?

I dont mean to mess with anything but I feel like that was kind of a lot done there. Also, never heard of an ability that lets you talk things out of existence, could someone link me to what Clover is using?

True naming
True speaking
I think

Yes...a word of nurturing utterance grants a fast heal

While the reverse does damage

The exact phrasing of the reverse states that it speaks a small piece of the creature out of existance.

Whether the pieces is the nose is the piece the goes is not under Clover's control...but a 22 intimidate proves that clover believes he can do it.


This message was last edited by the player at 23:16, Wed 29 Apr 2020.

ah, nice flavoring. I've never seen this sort of thing in play before and may actually try to use it in the future as the minor versions (gained from feats) seem like a great alternative to spell casting. It doesnt seem to scale too well but the utility words (and healing words) dont seem to need to scale (it seems to me they can be used over and over again).

I too kept getting 404 and 502 error messages saying bad gateway and such.

I fought through them though (I'm stubborn).

Yes I too have been getting those error messages

I thought it was just me! I could get to the main screen, but then when I would go to a game there was an error.

I've been having that error for a while now as well
  Very frustrating

Yep last few days very frustrating....

are we not doing initiative?

Since they are in missile range and have no ranged weapons, the party can do what they want for the first round.

Well since my threat took effect that is my action for the first round.

And since it took effect then that confirms that the unmoving "statue" is infact a living creature with a 100% certainty, this is known because the reverse utterance only affects living creatures.

Sorry, had a lot of stuff come up in rl. Will get back to posting soon.

Put up a map for the battle. Green 's''s are the skeletons.

lol, clover trying to get hit. lok

Can you all see the updated map?

Two things, first.... So none of the skeletons have been defeated? Do the look badly damaged at least?

Two, if we aren't breaking from combat, why are we rerolling initiative?

I'm going to also make some rolls for these skeles. I didn't see how they spawned so I can't roll for that but something feels off.

Sorry, did |I get editions mixed up? Do we roll new init every round? If you'd rather not I don't mind.

These are big skeletons, larger than human. Some are damaged but it can be hard to tell in the dim light with everyone moving around and fighting and what not.

I can do it either way.  I was also thinking that the first initiative lasts until the end of combat, but it's all good

Ah, that does make a difference if they are large skeletons. In the future, please include that detail.

If you prefer, requiring a perception check would be fair... but Since size is kind of an obvious thing then I would then appreciate a call for a perception check because I dont think I'd guess to check their size.

As a note, I am in no way upset. I was just shocked and now I am presenting ways I would prefer it be handled in the future.

Also:

Not complaining, it is hard to remember all the details when we check in for only a few minutes every day or two. I'll try to remember to hit up the size and other details more often during a scene or adventure.

Well I have no excuse for having missed that...I check in 20x day.

Do I post another action?

Thanks

Fails all around, Damn. sorry gm. Thanks for re presenting where you put it. my bad.

I think this stone demon is some sort of "weeping angel... because it has not moved while Clover have been staring at it, which could mean that it is just a statue and nothing more....BUT my utterances ONLY work on creatures (and animated objects) so since I am doing damage I am all the more compelled to ensure that Clover never looks away from the demon.

Someone needs to call "the doctor" I need a sonic screwdriver.

Might be good info to share in character thread
If nothing else I can try to remove its head

I already did in message #131.

In character it was said abound 18-24 seconds since he did so... besides at the moment Clover "believes" he can handle the demon until the skeletons are dealt with.

But weeping angels is plural

I rolled a knowledge check before but don’t know what I know about it

the gm could also be circumventing meta assumptions and just having the damage slowly make a statue disappear?
(unlikely)


or it could be some weird possession thing, or maybe the stone itself is like living metal but instead is living stone.

You could probably do rolls though to determine, true speech is a natural phenomenon? maybe knowledge nature?
Just some thoughts though.

I plan to post my actions in a little.

Sorry, life got in the way this weekend. Back to it now...

I intend to cast grease, I need to know the exact locations of everything I can hit the skeletons but not binx. Gm, can you update the map real quick? or use the table map I made earlier to show me where the hallway skeletons are? (the hallway skeletons are really the only things I need to know the exacts for).

There are three skeletons in the hallway more-or-less right below the bat. No PCs with them at the moment but Theo is going down to meet them. Maybe call him off?

In the room are six skeletons all jumbled up with the PCs. One for each of them except for Clover who has attracted two.

the skeles are large sized, right? I can get them but leave room for theo to attack them. I just need to know squares. I'll post it later today

  Don't worry about leaving room for Theo: If there's grease, he just won't come down. He's not going to be meleeing with them: It'll be Concentration checks to cast defensively, which he'll probably fail.

Sounds good, T!

Nixif was going to try to light the grease on fire, not move over into melee. Nevermind he gets a ranged attack and a 20 foot range melee attack. Furthermore, hes been saying how we need an exit. I would prefer it be changed that at least he doesnt move and does that 6 damage to one of the greased skeles.

I think the DM is applying the DR to my attacks :(, when I'm using a weapon that would bypass it :( (unless something wonky with these skeletons)

I also keep wondering how someone using a rapier is killing them so easily as that would have the DR applied to it....

I think this encounter might be a wee bit hard for our party and we are surrounded so not much way to retreat...

Nixif: Grease isn't flammable. Nothing in the rules says anything about being able to do that and it would be too powerful for a 1st level spell. As an example, Web has rules for setting it on fire so by not having something similar in the Grease description I'd have to say that it can't be ignited.

Orlen: I'm still trying to 'calibrate' your characters. Almost all of you have great AC but inflict useless damage! Part of the gnome & halfling setting, I guess. And the person who started all this and wanted a g&h game never actually joined in so I'm up for loosening that rule for when a few of your PCs get killed and are being replaced.

In reply to DM Neogi (msg # 307):

I'll admit that one of the reasons i picked Swashbuckler was for the extra damage. :)

 I blame the Dice Roller.

https://dnd.arkalseif.info/spe...cendiary-slime--784/

There is a "version" of grease that is flammable

Complete mage pg.108

And here I was thinking we'd make it out alive and continue our happy little gnome life adventures!

Honestly, I'm perfectly happy with a "short people" adventure.

Grease itself is flammable, as the spell grease makes grease it is dm fiat to allow it or not.

DND online has grease catch on fire.

also, if I dont get skipped again, I'll post in a few hours.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:34, Wed 03 June 2020.

That was a weird thing about some spells being flammable in earlier editions
The ones I recall are grease and web (meaning specifically cause more damage when burned)

In my games I used to make it harder to ignite grease
No way
Flint & steel
Torch
Chance
Flaming oil (easy to do)

Did always
Alchemists Fire
Produce flame
Breath weapons (fire)
Any fire/flame spell.   Including flame blade

I'm for keeping it to short people :)

Grease lasts 1 round per caster level so it must be quite volatile (is that the word I want? Evaporates rapidly, I mean) so burning it must do little damage. And why think that a spell effect in a fantasy world will act the same as in our world?

Flame breath weapon would evaporate it instantaneously, same with other magical fires.

And if it does burn why assume it is hot enough to cause damage?

In reply to DM Neogi (msg # 316):

Different DMs have different interpretations of the spell.  If you feel flaming Grease is a game breaker, it's your call

^^^
and because rpol requires text.

There is a lot of writing about this topic! So fascinating. Rulings are mixed. What is interesting is, I never took the title of that spell to be a noun, but a verb, to grease something.

Well, technically it is kinda a verb. but the word of the spell says it makes grease and thats where the conflict is bred from.

But the grease spell itself clears up that problem with its own description, when it says clearly that it is not flammable.

So spell level 1 "grease" is NOT flammable

Spell level 2 "incindiary slime" is like grease but IS flammable and it can be found in Complete Mage of 108.

It does not say that. Also, the topic was already ruled on, best not open debate on a closed topic
This message was last edited by the player at 23:32, Fri 05 June 2020.

Sorry to be away so long. I've been having tremendous difficulties with my lifestyle.

I'm sorry to hear that I hope and pray things improve for you.

Take your time, my friend

No worries

Nothing really bad just working from home with the wife and kid in the apartment and the quarantining business is wearing me out. Definitely minor issues compared to most.

Nixif, i believe that i was already at half hit point.  Would your healing have any effect?

if you are already at half, no, lol.

but its best to assume I just go around healing everyone who spoke up to half hp.

orlen can probably heal you the rest of the way with his 2d6 thing. his is slower than mind though

I could heal a max of 2 more if I rolled high on a truespeak check.

But my check DC is ...
...15+(2xecl)=23...
...7 uses of the utterance at a +2 DC per use = +14 to DC
...giving a final DC of 37 and at the moment if I roll a Nat 20 I can hit a 41 dc I have an second utterance that could allow me to use the first 2 more times so up to four uses of (fast heal 2, that lasts 5 rounds) speak up if you need a use of it.

I'm at less than half HP if Nixif wanted to heal me.

Consider yourself healed to half, orlen.

oh, truse speak has use limits? maybe it's not as good as I thought then. it doesnt look like it scales, and if it has limits on use... doesnt seem like it's actually all that powerful.