Hollyhock God
GM, 9 posts
Mon 17 Feb 2020
at 22:51 | Our Imperator
Lady Evanessa
Imperatrix of Night, Deviance, Alcohol, and Hidden Truths
- Dark Magister
- Lover and Mother of Deceivers
- Mother of the Night
- [Ever Drinking, Never Drunk]
- [Fortunes and Secrets]
- Femme Fatale of the Valde Bellum
- Rumored to be either a snare for Mimics or a Mimic herself.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:52, Mon 17 Feb 2020.
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Hollyhock God
GM, 10 posts
Mon 17 Feb 2020
at 22:54 | Our ImperatorLeaving this thread open as a place to discuss the Imperator and her dynamic, and in particular a place to get input from Jimmy and Cassandra about their characters' relationship with the Dark Magister.
If threads get a bit cluttered over time, then this can later be merged either into another topic or just into NPC profiles, but I figure it's good to have it open as its own thread for now.
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Cassandra
Hidden Truths, 9 posts
Mon 17 Feb 2020
at 23:48 | Our ImperatorI can agree to the Imperator of the Dark, but it could also be a Fallen Angel as some of the Estates are independent of Humanity (Night, Hidden Truth and even Deviance). It can be more fundamental than an Ymera of the Light/Dark.
When I looked at the "dangerous secret" of my character, I went directly to "Keeping God's Secret". Not a True God, not Lord Entropy. But God, the Maker, Cneph itself ! I imagined then that ou Imperator, beside it's own responsibilities, has some others for Cneph : To keep it's nature secret, as the way it create the Reality and Yggdrasill…
What do you think ?
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Luna Duscae
Night, 49 posts
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 04:19 | Our ImperatorI think that's really ambitious, a bit of a big deal. Is it a secret you actually *know* that you don't share with anyone else, or is it a secret you technically 'possess' but don't actually know (It's locked in a box you've never opened, or written on a scroll you can't read, ect) and you have to protect it. Those are two fairly different flavors of keeping a hidden secret.
The concept is good, but a secret that big should have serious consequences if you misuse or let it slip. I personally would prefer it not be that big, especially if it's something you plan to 'know' in play, but I don't object if others are onboard with it being Cneph's secret.
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I like her as Dark, but I'm not opposed to a Hell/Fallen Angel Imperatrix. I am Hell Code, but a variant.
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So , HG, the idea of her playing with Luna's heart is a good one. I was thinking of taking a bond or affliction to reflect it. Luna definitely feels stuff about her, and a few projects will definitely lean into growing that relationship between them I think.
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Reyfus
Deviance, 33 posts
The Prince of Vespera
The Power of Deviance
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 04:50 | Our ImperatorI definitely would prefer for our imperator to be a Magister of the Dark.
Yes, her estates COULD work for a fallen angel/devil but I think they work even better for a Magister of the Dark. They tie in too much to humanity or anthropomorphic humanization of things, and I also just really like the themes of the Dark more than Hell.
And that's not to say you have to be pigeonholed though. As Luna says, we can have personal codes that differ from our imperator. Reyfus personally is dark himself but Luna has her own take on the code of hell and it really works out well for her concept.
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Now as for retaining a secret for or about Cnpeh...I'm actually supportive of that! It could even be your "one unique special thing" as a character. However, I'd like to see it have impacts and consequences though. For instance...if the secret got out, that could count as a major attack against your estate! Or maybe there's something about the nature of how Cneph did what he did that requires his secret staying hidden (you knowing it or guarding it is ok as you're exempt as the power of hidden truths). Or maybe this knowledge can be used by those of creation to accidentally cause irreparable damage, or by our enemies to decisively win the war! Or maybe it isn't so sinister as that (that you know of anyway), but you possess the secret but not knowledge of it. Like maybe it's in a box of pandora in your chamber of secrets protected by a level 5 auctoritas of "I shouldn't be opened" or something. Or perhaps it is only one of like a 3 or 5 part set of secrets that together reveal how creation was made?
Basically, I can support this being your one unique thing and you gaining something from having it (like it's a bond you can tap for power, or it is the basis of your very estate), but there should be consequences of it getting out.
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Hollyhock God
GM, 20 posts
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 04:53 | Our ImperatorIn reply to Luna Duscae (msg # 4):
Unless I'm mistaken, that idea was already there between you and Reyfus, I was just looking for the right way to word it in Evanessa's bubbles.
If you take something like "My Ymera's teasing" as a bond, it might not be out of bounds for you to eventually take it as an anchor. Not easily or comfortably, but it's one possible direction you could go for pushing past her aloofness a little, peering into her games in the Deep Mythic.
Trying to seduce a Dark Magister probably isn't *too* unwieldy a task for a Power, however ill-advised. Trying to win one's true love and affection might be terrifying and dangerous in ways that make the Actively Immortal wary.
Aiming for a functional, healthy romantic relationship with this thing should be very interesting, if nothing else.
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Luna Duscae
Night, 52 posts
Tue 18 Feb 2020
at 04:59 | Our ImperatorI've always liked the impression to a point that the Powers are kind of part of the Imperator, in ways, so yeah, I could see that being interesting. Like Luna is the part of her that believes in stuff like redemption and trying to pull away from destructive things, which would make courting her actively interesting. I'm not expecting to start there or strictly go that way long-term, but it's definitely a thing on her mind :D
And good thing I plan to get Active Immortality early on then :D
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Kassandra
Hidden Truths, 16 posts
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 00:35 | Our ImperatorIf we go with a Noir/Neo Noir Chancel, I find our Ymera would be better if she fit the Femme Fatale archetype, more mysterious and dangerous.
Why Lounge Singer ?
And what about my proposition to make it a Fallen Angel ? Actually, the more I read Nobilis 3, the less I like what the Author did with the Dark and the Light…
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Reyfus
Deviance, 57 posts
The Prince of Vespera
The Power of Deviance
Tue 25 Feb 2020
at 04:40 | Our ImperatorOur Imperator as she is currently already is defined as something of a fem fatal, so I'm glad you like that aspect of her development.
And she just fits so much better with the dark in her general temperament and demeanor. And I as a player can't ever really connect with angel and devil imperators very well. So there's several reasons really why I'm pushing for her to be dark. But the biggest thing is that her estates all help facilitate human choices and the darkness behind them, sometimes for good sometimes for bad. She oozes code of the dark.
As for a lounge singer...I would like to argue those are the ULTIMATE fem fatals after all! Here is the poster child of lounge singer Fem fatals. She isn't truly evil but definitely mysterious and dangerous. Hopefully this will win you over:
https://www.bing.com/videos/se...EF4D7C&FORM=VIRE
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Luna Duscae
Night, 74 posts
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 21:16 | Our ImperatorI'm not quite onboard the Jessica Rabbit train (so overdone) but the concept, I like :D
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Reyfus
Deviance, 60 posts
The Prince of Vespera
The Power of Deviance
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 21:21 | Our ImperatorI believe she was voted the most sexy animated character in history. And she probably really is.
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Luna Duscae
Night, 75 posts
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 21:45 | Our ImperatorEhhhh.... I will have to strongly disagree. Though, most of anything is hard to pin down.
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Kassandra
Hidden Truths, 19 posts
Wed 26 Feb 2020
at 22:39 | Our ImperatorIn reply to Luna Duscae (msg # 12):
I saw her irl and I must confirm : She's the sexiest ! XD
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