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OOC Yes.

Posted by The MetaFor group 0
The Meta
GM, 2 posts
Thu 5 Mar 2020
at 10:50
  • msg #1

OOC Yes

For all your OOC needs
Danus
player, 1 post
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 01:38
  • msg #2

OOC Yes

Hi all, excited for this game.

I am away this weekend running a half-marathon, so I don't know how many posts I'll get in.



Meta - do you have a link to the birthright rules you want to use?
Sylvanus
player, 1 post
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 01:54
  • msg #3

OOC Yes

Good marrow to one and all, excited to join your ranks.




Meta - do you have a link to the character sheet you want us to use? I'm also interested in the birthright rules you want to use never used them before.
Aisent
player, 1 post
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 02:05
  • msg #4

OOC Yes

I greet you in the name of Iomedae and look forward to bringing valor, justice and honor to your lands.
The Meta
GM, 4 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 02:34
  • msg #5

OOC Yes

Ill post the birthright converted rules, for now just assume the 3.5 version.


btw, because I like to support gaming thats not just combat intensive.... I give experience to people from things like profession and crafting. I wont tell you how, yet.
So people can expect to gain levels and experience from combat as well as none combat activities.

any char sheet is fine, just so long as it has the basic information (attributes, skills, feats, etc. All that selection shit that I dont want you to 'suddenly' have once you run into a need for it).

I like the rpol forum established char sheet but if i can read it then feel free to use it.
The Meta
GM, 5 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 03:09
  • msg #6

OOC Yes

I just added some house rules to the intro, feel free to present any complaints, concens, or suggestions on them in this ooc thread.
Finaril
player, 1 post
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 03:23
  • msg #7

OOC Yes

Hi all, looking forward to llaying with you.
Danus
player, 2 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 05:11
  • msg #8

OOC Yes

I found this on the Paizo forums Meta if you want to look at it and see what you think of it.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2...ersion-to-PATHFINDER
Aithne
player, 1 post
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 05:15
  • msg #9

OOC Yes

Hello everyone.
Danus
player, 3 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 05:22
  • msg #10

OOC Yes

I think I'm going with the array. Anyone going to chance rolling on the rpol dice of doom die roller?
Aisent
player, 2 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 05:28
  • msg #11

OOC Yes

I did :)
Aithne
player, 2 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 05:54
  • msg #12

OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 5):

Question: Can I use Sharpshooting as a Perform skill?
The Meta
GM, 6 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 06:01
  • msg #13

OOC Yes

Aithne, what exactly are you looking at or trying to achieve?

Danus, thank you, reviewing.
I am also still looking through a few other people's conversions.

I think im going to use the 7th ability score rule from birthright.

Everyone roll 3d6, if you want to be blooded then double the results for your blood score and those who dont want to be blooded will refer to the chart in the below link and add the listed max hp bonus to their sheet.

I may add more to each side later.
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:41, Sat 07 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 1 post
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 12:42
  • msg #14

OOC Yes

Hi all,

I shall be playing Cornelius Abernatch IV, born of noble blood (though I need to look into Birthright), and planning to own property, loan to business and those seeking expeditions, in exchange for a cut of the profits.

Sure, we may have a vast amount of wealth to start with, but don't we all want more? Or what about the NPCs, townsfolk, and those not in our situation? Have you spent most of your money on magic items, so that you can go out and get more loot and treasure?
Perhaps I could be your sponsor?

I'm looking more at social than combat activities, and could even go towards parties at my noble villa (which I'm likely to buy, though maybe just a mansion instead?).

Meta, what do you think of the Investment rules?
https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?...y=Campaign%20Systems

As with the speed the game will be going, a year ticking for the investment to come back is feasible.

As for stats, I'm thinking array too. Dice roller hated me in another game.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:49, Sat 07 Mar 2020.
Sylvanus
player, 2 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 12:56
  • msg #15

Re: OOC Yes

Danus:
I think I'm going with the array. Anyone going to chance rolling on the rpol dice of doom die roller?


I took my chance at the dice roller of DOOM!
Aithne
player, 3 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 15:37
  • msg #16

OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 13):

Instead of using a Craft or Profession skill, use a Perform skill.  I was originally thinking of using Perform (dance) but then it occurred to me that sharpshooting could be a perform skill too.
Danus
player, 4 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 16:09
  • msg #17

OOC Yes

Whew, that was nerve wracking!

08:07, Today: Danus rolled 11 using 3d6.  Blooded

Danus is of the Orlovsky family out of Brevoy with aspirations of ruling larger things!
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 2 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 16:16
  • msg #18

Re: OOC Yes

Danus:
Danus is of the Orlovsky family out of Brevoy with aspirations of ruling larger things!


Are we in Golarion? I thought we were generic fantasy?

Also, does this put us in competition Danus ;)
Aisent
player, 3 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 16:25
  • msg #19

Re: OOC Yes

I was told that DM was deciding but to assume pathfinder default world in creation, after all I had originally assumed Cerilia (Birthright world).

I found another god to worship, well goddess this time. Only a couple tweaks. Hope to have my sheet done soon. No one would probably have trouble determining I'm a Paladin of Iomedae unless they are blind....
Aithne
player, 4 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 16:43
  • msg #20

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 19):

I'm mostly finished myself, still have to pick mundane gear; and I'd like the GM to look the character over before I do that.   I'm a twin pistols gunslinger who also doubles as a Dex based tank.
The Meta
GM, 9 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 18:07
  • msg #21

Re: OOC Yes

Aithne, I'm seeing rules to allow one to use perform for daily earnings but not weekly. It's not abnormal though for shooters to sell themselves off for shows and displays of weapon manufacturers.

Common pathfinder setting (which is golarion).

it will make finding maps easiest, I love maps but im not that good at making them.
Aithne
player, 5 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 18:18
  • msg #22

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 21):

Oh, I'm going to have both a Craft and another Perform skill.  It just occurred to me that might be a viable perform skill, just like the Wild West shows in the early 1900s.

I'll swap it from a Perform to a Profession skill, no problem.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:21, Sat 07 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 10 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 18:22
  • msg #23

Re: OOC Yes

I hear you.

remember that I mentioned in the gm wanted thread we could use background skill rules
Sylvanus
player, 3 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 18:37
  • msg #24

Re: OOC Yes

I would love some creative help Sylvanus is the half-elf bastard son of the old king's youngest son. Would love some direction of where his elf mother was exiled from so that it would not bring a black mark on the royal family. Let alone a baby on the way.

07:49, Today: Sylvanus rolled 9 using 3d6.  blooded.
Aisent
player, 4 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 18:41
  • msg #25

Re: OOC Yes

Oh that's great background skills, I could use that us Paladins are poor skill wise :)
The Meta
GM, 11 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 18:56
  • msg #26

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 25):

paladins arent allowed, no background skills for you.

I kid i kid. ;p
I guess I should put the background skill as explicitly approved in the intro.
Aisent
player, 5 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 18:59
  • msg #27

Re: OOC Yes

Still working on my equipment and a bit of backstory on how I got it :)
Aithne
player, 6 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 19:12
  • msg #28

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 23):

I forgot.  I'll change it in a bit.

Edit: I am officially done.   I think.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:00, Sat 07 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 3 posts
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 21:06
  • msg #29

Re: OOC Yes

I'm still some way from getting my character sorted. Tough part will be spending all that money.
Also, deciding where to spend 17 skill points. Going to be the most intelligent rogue ever, especially as the only non-class skill I have is Fly, which isn't much of an issue really.

Now, who else will be buying buildings?
Aithne
player, 7 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 7 Mar 2020
at 21:09
  • msg #30

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Cornelius Abernatch IV (msg # 29):

Nope.  I decided to settle upon being from Tian Xia, which means that she moved around a lot before she ended up where she is now.  Which definitely makes her fall into the mercenary category.
Danus
player, 5 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 01:49
  • msg #31

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Cornelius Abernatch IV (msg # 18):

Competition? Or alliance?

I don’t know how people spent that much gold already.

Meta, for those of us planning more rulership stuff can we use the gold to build and populate... something? A stronghold or small city?
Aithne
player, 8 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 01:58
  • msg #32

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Danus (msg # 31):

Three magic weapons, 1 set of customized armor, ring of regeneration, magic boots, magic gloves....shall I go on?  ^_^
The Meta
GM, 12 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 02:08
  • msg #33

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Danus (msg # 31):

You can either buy and manage land using BP, picking a spit of land in Golarion to settle at, or you can spend actual gold using appropriate rules for that to have things built.

I suggested to another player that the lyre may be a good resource here, mitigating costs. kingmaker suggests using bp also kind of covers labor and residents, I cant remember if they have a population growth system persay but ill check soon.

However, paying straight gold for a building or using a lyre does NOT cover the people part so you would have to contend with that in those two options. If you can math it, theoretically, it's possible to use a lyre to mitigate the BP costs but I wont math it.

Also Also, there IS a gold to BP, and a BP to gold, conversion mechanic in kingmaker if I recall correctly.

Finally, there will be a maximum BP start of 150 (so you can start with a kingdom, castle, mansion, or whatever... of up to 150 bp) and I think there are mechanics for maximum bp spend per cycle but I don't recall right now. I think i put this somewhere but dont recall. You CAN do both, use bp AND spend in whatever way to make buildings from gold.
Aisent
player, 6 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 03:03
  • msg #34

Re: OOC Yes

I have posted my sheet :)

I have no land to manage, I thought about it, but having land to manage is hard when you are a roving Knight seeking to do the will of Iomedae, particularly at 1st level :). Though I can craft weapons and I can farm :).
Finaril
player, 2 posts
Elven Wizard
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 03:49
  • msg #35

Re: OOC Yes

Is the plan to adventure as a group?

Also the 150 BP is that coming out of the 880,000 gp?  I think its a conversion of 1bp = 1000gp initially
Aisent
player, 7 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 03:53
  • msg #36

Re: OOC Yes

I'm up for adventuring with others so long as they don't interfere with me keeping my oaths and stuff :).
Danus
player, 6 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 05:25
  • msg #37

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 35):

Is the kingmaker BP to gp conversion different than that in the PRD building rules?
Finaril
player, 3 posts
Elven Wizard
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 05:44
  • msg #38

Re: OOC Yes

Here is the table from Ultimate Campaign

KINGDOM SIZE   PRICE OF 1 BP    WITHDRAWAL RATE*
01–25           1,000 gp            500 gp
26–50           2,000 gp          1,000 gp
51–100          3,000 gp          1,500 gp
101+            4,000 gp          2,000 gp
* If you make a withdrawal from the Treasury during the Income
phase (see page 207), use this withdrawal rate to determine
how much gp you gain per BP withdrawn.
Danus
player, 7 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 06:25
  • msg #39

Re: OOC Yes

Finaril:
Here is the table from Ultimate Campaign

KINGDOM SIZE   PRICE OF 1 BP    WITHDRAWAL RATE*
01–25           1,000 gp            500 gp
26–50           2,000 gp          1,000 gp
51–100          3,000 gp          1,500 gp
101+            4,000 gp          2,000 gp
* If you make a withdrawal from the Treasury during the Income
phase (see page 207), use this withdrawal rate to determine
how much gp you gain per BP withdrawn.


Thanks!’

Is the “kingdom size” the number of BP in that kingdom then? So with Meta’s 150 BP limit would it be 150 * 4K = 600k for that size “kingdom” or would it 25k + 50k + 150k + 200k = 425k as it grew for each level (i.e. 1-25 cost +26-50 cost, etc)?
Finaril
player, 4 posts
Elven Wizard
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 06:40
  • msg #40

Re: OOC Yes

Kingdom size is the number of hexes you control.  I think they vost at least a BP for each hex depending on terrain.
The Meta
GM, 13 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 07:21
  • msg #41

Re: OOC Yes

A hex can run some 4-6 buildings. Each building can be like 10-50 bp to make. its been a while but I know a single hex can have multiple buildings. Theres a sheet somewhere showing all of this, shouldn't be too hard for me to find again.

because you are 'settling' rather than 'settled' I'm going to say its as if you had just 1 hex regardless of what you actually end up starting with.
so that means its 1k per bp.

the 150k comes from your starting wealth.

Some of you can absolutely band together, you can even 'recruit' other 'adventurers' (I will random generate roll some out, theres a website for this). I'd rather you run the extra's, feel free to run them like a bunch of dirty redshirts.

I also am going to do some 'cross-platform play' where I make a separate game and use outside gaming and mirror the two sides for each other (but, again, please dont get too crazy about this). to explain this more. Say someone goes full necro and they are just murdelizing the game. I'll probably go put up an add somewhere for a crew of level 5's or something and have them start a campaign against your necro. I'll port there actions into here and your actions to there.

Good shit like that, multi tier as a mother fucker.

im not settled on all this though, but its highly likely. Depends on my energy level you know?

*edit
so, its better then I thought.

A hex map is a 3 by 3 grid of large squares and each large square fits 4 blocks. some buildings use 1 block, some use 2, some use all 4 blocks. so you can have from 9 to 36 buildings in a single hex.

https://daddydm.wordpress.com/...3/kingmaker-the-app/
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:27, Sun 08 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 8 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 10:10
  • msg #42

Re: OOC Yes

Realized I forgot to add a skill rank for favored class and so did that. I do believe the sheet is ready for review.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 4 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 11:49
  • msg #43

Re: OOC Yes

1BP = 1k gold means I have vastly more money remaining than I planned.

Now, is the 150BP limit per person, or us overall?

As if overall, I feel like it might only be myself and Danus being landlords at this time, and may need to plan, so we don't overdo one type of building, and miss others.

If personal, we will still want to coordinate, but at least it's all on things we want ourselves.

For me, it's settling on what my noble family is about, and having related buildings.
I'm thinking known for scholars and knowledge, keeping records for others, and the go-to family for when you need to know something. So the building of choice would be library. But still need peripheral things, such as a brewery for wine, as what nobles don't love having their own wine?

An alternative is known for making weapons and armour, supplying armies, mercenary companies, militias, and the like.
Aisent
player, 9 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 12:01
  • msg #44

Re: OOC Yes

I think that was intended per person. Each of you would rule say a small barony maybe, but you could be neighbors and have an alliance with one another enabling you to not have to patrol one border so much.
Finaril
player, 5 posts
Elven Wizard
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 12:05
  • msg #45

Re: OOC Yes

I'll also be taking the ruler path but Finaril will probably be a bit more independent,  he wants to build an elven forest realm.
The Meta
GM, 14 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 17:58
  • msg #46

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent, I think your weapon damage numbers are too low.

Some of them are less than your modifier and doesnt charge give +1 or +2 damage?

*edit
wait, silver, I get it now. Silver does less damage, my bad.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:59, Sun 08 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 10 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 18:05
  • msg #47

Re: OOC Yes

Okay, and the charge is +2 to attack not damage.
I'm pretty sure they are right I just went back over them, I know it's a long list :)
The Meta
GM, 15 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 18:42
  • msg #48

Re: OOC Yes

no, im pretty sure you are right also. I forgot silver does less damage. my bad.
Aithne
player, 9 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 20:21
  • msg #49

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent:
I think that was intended per person.


I'd be curious to know this as well.   For those of us not interested in our own kingdom, does that mean we can join up with someone who does and then share our points?  At most, Aithne would be interested in a nice house (read: mansion) but nothing more extravagant.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:26, Sun 08 Mar 2020.
Aithne
player, 10 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 20:27
  • msg #50

Re: OOC Yes

Finaril:
Is the plan to adventure as a group?


I was hoping that we'd get to do this too.  I was thinking that we'd have to work together to "carve out" our own territory, much like Kingmaker but not in the River Kingdoms area.

But I'm also good with the idea of getting together on occasion to deal with a common threat.  And have parties.   Parties are important.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:48, Sun 08 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 16 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 20:35
  • msg #51

Re: OOC Yes

quote:
I think that was intended per person. Each of you would rule say a small barony maybe, but you could be neighbors and have an alliance with one another enabling you to not have to patrol one border so much.


this would work, you could also put your bp limit to someone else. Though, i feel like thats like signing away power of attorney to a stranger.... do you REALLY want to do that? what you guys do with your resources is up to you. you could even form an adventuring party and pool your money into mega millions. Your choice what you do with your resources.

but, yes, each person can convert wealth to up to 150 bp and choose to do with any of that as they wish. including using it for others.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:36, Sun 08 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 5 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 21:07
  • msg #52

Re: OOC Yes

I have spare plots in my settlement if people want to accept my rule...
The Meta
GM, 17 posts
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 21:28
  • msg #53

Re: OOC Yes

https://youtu.be/K93-oyif2z0
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:30, Sun 08 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 11 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 8 Mar 2020
at 21:36
  • msg #54

Re: OOC Yes

Cornelius Abernatch IV:
I have spare plots in my settlement if people want to accept my rule...



Iomedae accepts all donations, and a wise ruler would seek her blessings, perhaps build a chapel to her there :). Sorry I do not have money right now.

I mean I could work as a General or Councilor or a number of other things to a ruler :) if they wanted to provide something to Iomedae :)
Finaril
player, 6 posts
Elven Wizard
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 06:22
  • msg #55

Re: OOC Yes

So what was the descion on setting?

Will we be on Golarion set in the river kingdoms or somewhere else?

Are we going to have a map done?

Can we put in requests for starting areas?

Depending on the location it will change how the BP get spent.
The Meta
GM, 18 posts
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 06:39
  • msg #56

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 55):

Golarion, unless someone really wants a different setting.

You guys can choose where you want within reason, most lands are owned but we can say the ruler was given a spit of land to work from depending on their backstory (to honor the god you came from, to honor great adventurer you came from or once were.... whatever.)
Kalven
player, 1 post
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 09:01
  • msg #57

Re: OOC Yes

I am hashing out what build I will do.

Leaning toward being a dwarf and having a mine and dwarven kingdom underground or in the hills.

Would also moonlight with my dwarves as caravan guards/ running merchant caravans.   May incorporate humans with the guards/ merchants.

Is there a map I can refer to?  Would like to see where there are mountains or hills to do this.
Danus
player, 8 posts
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 19:08
  • msg #58

Re: OOC Yes

The biggest area of "non-owned" land in Golarion is probably the Stolen Lands.

I'm not saying play that AP, but if we just want a map that is open to settling/exploration and where we can potentially work together to build something and also adventure together, that seems to be a good place.

There is at least one mine that I know if in the Narlmarch from the AP also Kalven.

I'm back from my half-marathon so I'll be able to really start in on my character.

I'm planning, for bloodline, to be of the blood of Vorynn (the lord of the moon and all things arcane)

EDIT: for those with a bloodline - how do we know if it's Minor/Major/Great? Is it based on our bloodline score also or could you have a Great bloodline with a score of 10 for instance?

My score seems to be 22 since I rolled an 11 on the roll.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:11, Mon 09 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 19 posts
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 19:49
  • msg #59

Re: OOC Yes

you can either use the chart here:
http://www.birthright.net/foru...ency_Bloodline_score

or the charts here:
http://www.birthright.net/foru...ency_Blood_abilities

both list at what bloodline score rating you can select about what. most of you will probably only get a minor ability but if someone gets a really high bloodline score then they may be able to start with one major.

once you pick a table, you need to stick with it.
Danus
player, 9 posts
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 20:03
  • msg #60

Re: OOC Yes

So I'm not sure that answers my question as I've seen those tables. That tells me what level of abilities I can get, but not the... potency of my bloodline per se.

You can have a score that qualifies you for "great" abilities, but if you have only a "minor" bloodline, you're limited to "minor" abilities.

from the first link:
A scion with a bloodline of Brenna (minor, 32), for example, would receive three minor abilities. Their bloodline score would entitle them to one minor ability, one major ability and one great ability but their minor bloodline strength limits their manifestations to minor abilities only.


Ok, I found it here: http://www.birthright.net/foru...ngth&redirect=no

Do you want us to use the % to see what our bloodline strength is which is the variant rule on that page or should we choose one?

Most are going to be minor (1-65% chance) if we roll for it which is fine. I just want to know your preference.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 6 posts
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 22:33
  • msg #61

Re: OOC Yes

As part of asking for advice on Reddit, I was shared this Google Sheet - https://docs.google.com/spread.../edit#gid=1700262873

If you're looking for what items give the best bang for their buck with certain modifiers, or just want to improve a particular skill but not even sure what there is, it can be helpful. It also shows the type of bonus, so you know what (not) to stack with.
Danus
player, 10 posts
Mon 9 Mar 2020
at 22:48
  • msg #62

Re: OOC Yes

Neat!

There are some errors in there that I found, so double check pricing on things if you're going to buy them. Either way, it's super useful!
The Meta
GM, 20 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 07:00
  • msg #63

Re: OOC Yes

the bloodline stuff is basically a lot of goodies for cheap or free. they can slowly build over time to get better at no cost other than time or having to kill another bloodliner.

so, I feel it is best to have you guys roll percentage.

I am sorry my earlier answer was inadequate, it's been a while since I delved into birthrights bloodline system and it escaped me exactly what you were looking for.

Im also ok with you simply opting to be a minor bloodline if you prefer.
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:01, Tue 10 Mar 2020.
Finaril
player, 1 post
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 07:43
  • msg #64

Re: OOC Yes

Anyone else have their character sheet disappear?
The Meta
GM, 21 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 08:21
  • msg #65

Re: OOC Yes

that was a clerical error that you can blame me or rpol for. It was only you though, I explained to you in pm.
Finaril
player, 2 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 09:44
  • msg #66

Re: OOC Yes

All good, I'll get back to char gen
Aithne
player, 11 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 15:07
  • msg #67

Re: OOC Yes

We could do this as a loose conglomerate of city-states, which is how ancient Greece is sometimes portrayed.   Perhaps with our characters either functioning as a ruling council, or with ambassadors that do the same (something like the UN)?
Danus
player, 11 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 16:31
  • msg #68

Re: OOC Yes

Thanks Meta!

I rolled a secret roll yesterday just in case you went with rolling. You can see the result for my bloodline.



Aithne - if we set this in the Stolen Lands area, then there is nothing there really.

The only locations would be those set up by us spending some of our starting gold and BP to build things.

Is anyone other than Cornelius and I, planning to build stuff with BP?
Finaril
player, 3 posts
Elven Wizard
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 19:10
  • msg #69

Re: OOC Yes

Danus:


Aithne - if we set this in the Stolen Lands area, then there is nothing there really.

The only locations would be those set up by us spending some of our starting gold and BP to build things.

Is anyone other than Cornelius and I, planning to build stuff with BP?


I am, and I believe there was someone else looking at A Dwarven realm. Kalven I think.

Finaril, is an Elven Prince restablishing old elven colony. All your woods are belong to us...
This message was last edited by the player at 19:12, Tue 10 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 7 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 19:34
  • msg #70

Re: OOC Yes

What are people doing when it comes to spending their money?

Going for efficient stuff, such as maxing out the Big 6?
Buying eccentric stuff they would never normally get a chance to?
Characterful things, even if they're woefully inefficient?

I'm still shopping, and have some potent stuff, like headband of Mental Prowess +6, but also characterful things like Xanthuun Tablets.
Danus
player, 12 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 21:28
  • msg #71

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Cornelius Abernatch IV (msg # 70):

I'm still shopping.

I got the same Headband, plus a belt. Set aside 150k for building.

I haven't bought the other big 6 yet though I probably will get some version of them.
Aithne
player, 12 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 22:05
  • msg #72

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Cornelius Abernatch IV (msg # 70):

I'm playing a gunslinger because I'd never get Pistols of the Infinite Sky otherwise.  That and I've got a really cute (or good) picture of a female gunslinger.
Aisent
player, 12 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 22:11
  • msg #73

Re: OOC Yes

I'm a Paladin so I concentrated on Knightly things.

I'm sure you can guess what my longsword is :), but it's the third most expensive item I have :)
Finaril
player, 4 posts
Elven Wizard
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 23:03
  • msg #74

Re: OOC Yes

What are the big six?
Danus
player, 13 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 23:06
  • msg #75

Re: OOC Yes

Finaril:
What are the big six?


Cloak of Resistance, Ring of Protection, Amulet of Natural Armor, + to mental stat item(s)/+ to physical stat item(s), magic armor, magic weapon

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathf.../what_are_the_big_6/

@Aisent - I don't think I've ever seen one of those in actual play before. This should be interesting!
Aithne
player, 13 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 23:42
  • msg #76

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Danus (msg # 75):

I am surprised that the Ring of Regeneration isn't on that list.
Danus
player, 14 posts
Tue 10 Mar 2020
at 23:58
  • msg #77

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 76):

It's too expensive for normal games. What is it? 90k gp?

You can get the "intro model" for each of the big six for a total of: 12.4k gp
 - intro models: +1 Ring of Protection, +1 Amulet of Natural Armor, +1 Cloak of Resistance
                 +1 magical armor, +1 weapon, +2 to your prime stat


They're called "Big Six" because they're like the baseline items you need. I've never even seen a ring of regeneration in a real game before... this one probably :P
Aithne
player, 14 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 00:14
  • msg #78

Re: OOC Yes

Danus:
In reply to Aithne (msg # 76):

It's too expensive for normal games. What is it? 90k gp?


There's not many treasure hordes that approach that amount, so I'd not really expect to see one; unless it was made.  Much the same with +10 weapons/armor, which take a caster level 30.
Kalven
player, 2 posts
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 00:53
  • msg #79

Re: OOC Yes

You all think you have expensive items.   Imagine being a dwarven king/ miner/ fighter.... and getting a ring of earth elemental command ...200k gold later.   UGGGG


I will be finishing my dwarf.   Hard for me to make a kingdom when I don't know where I am.  Is it in Hills or a mountainside?  Do I have access to a small dwarven kingdom/ mining area or do I have to dig for this myself?   Fun times.
Aithne
player, 15 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 01:12
  • msg #80

Re: OOC Yes

I'm going to wait and see how things develop.   I might end up making some version of home away from home after all.
Danus
player, 15 posts
Wed 11 Mar 2020
at 18:20
  • msg #81

Re: OOC Yes

@Kalven - I've always wanted a ring of elemental control... never gotten to use one in a game. Even here though I can't justify the expense when there are so many other things I want to buy.

Unless change my origin point to be Qadira rather than Brevoy. That would require a name change, but it would focus my magic item purchases a bit more... hmm.

As to fun things that I've bought: a passel of Ioun stones, an Instant Fortress, a Sunblade, a Carpet of flying, a Tuned bowstring, a Clawhand Shield.

My big 6 items aren't that high in power... a ring of protection is only +3, etc.
The Meta
GM, 22 posts
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 04:15
  • msg #82

Re: OOC Yes

I checked like two or three times, it doesnt look like anyones waiting on me to answer anything but you all stopped talking for a day or so.

so, imma poke you guys and see if you all move.

*pokedededing*
Aithne
player, 16 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 04:18
  • msg #83

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 82):

I'm like done; just waiting on everyone to get finished, and the ball to get rolling.
Aisent
player, 13 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 04:21
  • msg #84

Re: OOC Yes

I'm ready just waiting for us to start :)
The Meta
GM, 23 posts
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 04:24
  • msg #85

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 83):

I hear you, consider my poke to also be a prod to get everyone else to finish cause you aren't the only one but there are still some people not done.

I am probably going to put up a map of the stolen lands (since you all decided you wanted to start in there, or I heard some of you say that and no ones said anywhere else) and you guys can pick a place for your little hex of land while those non-kingdom players can choose a hex to start in as well. I don't think we really need any extensive birthright mechanics right now and can use mostly kingmaker stuffs, so for now that's about as homebrewed as we are going to go.

HOWEVER! There's likely going to be stuff we decide to use later on.
Finaril
player, 5 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 05:28
  • msg #86

Re: OOC Yes

I'm almost done, just going over the money side of things which will change a few bits.  As for the map, I'm looking at getting a few hexes, I think it's 4BP per forest hex.
The Meta
GM, 24 posts
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 16:05
  • msg #87

Re: OOC Yes

I kinda messed you up finaril, me or rpol, so know that you are in no way at fault, in my perspective, for your timing.
Aisent
player, 14 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 16:14
  • msg #88

Re: OOC Yes

I usually make mine in notepad first, then copy paste here, but sometimes might be minor corrections that I make here that don't get put back into notebook, and I do that because sometimes this place eats stuff :)
Aithne
player, 17 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 16:16
  • msg #89

Re: OOC Yes

I'm using myth weavers for character sheet myself.   Does all the math part for me.
Danus
player, 16 posts
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 16:39
  • msg #90

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry - Coronavirus panic is hitting my area and thus my work and home life are being impacted.

I haven't had a chance to finalize my sheet yet. Please move forward if you need/want to and I can come in the game at a later point if that'll help the rest of you move forward.
Aisent
player, 15 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 16:49
  • msg #91

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry to hear ya'll are having such trouble. I'm sure it will get to us in time, one advantage of living in rural America is well takes longer for stuff to get here...
Kalven
player, 3 posts
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 16:50
  • msg #92

Re: OOC Yes

Hello all.  I'm arguing with myself on my build and in Vegas for work so been a bit distracted.   Will work on it more today and try and hash out what I am going to do with my dwarf.
Danus
player, 17 posts
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 16:58
  • msg #93

Re: OOC Yes

It would probably simplify things if I didn't start out with something built and all that.

I could rework my character into that traveling Qadiran noble concept I was contemplating.

So rather than being a Restov noble sent to find his own footing, he'd be a Qadiran doing so at his own whim, but who's just arrived recently to the area on his Carpet of Comfort.

Let me know DM if you'd be ok with that, I could probably have my sheet done sooner with that.

I wouldn't be competing the ruler sphere yet, though he'd work towards it.
The Meta
GM, 25 posts
Fri 13 Mar 2020
at 20:54
  • msg #94

Re: OOC Yes

Im sure there are rules for caravans and nomads.

just remember BP doesnt just represent money, material, or any singular thing. building points is labor, workers, food for those workers, material, etc etc. it makes it both easier to protect but also harder to hoard, transporting 150 bp is likely going to require a caravan or something of that sort.
Aithne
player, 18 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 03:00
  • msg #95

Re: OOC Yes

It took more than a day (and sleeping on it) to get my gear list finalized.  Even if it's alot, it still takes a while to spend wisely.

*updates character description and ponders more pictures*
The Meta
GM, 26 posts
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 06:47
  • msg #96

Re: OOC Yes

im looking over these premade maps to use, and starting to realize theres an inherent flaw with using them. I'm going to have an issue with map conversion into an editor that will let me at lease add stuff let alone allow me to maybe clean up whatever is already on the map.

this map:


Spoiler text: (Highlight or hover over the text to view)
https://www.deviantart.com/darthsunshine42/art/Fan-made-Golarion-map-337812221


Also shows the stolen lands claimed as 'river kingdom'.
Would you guys, instead, be ok with a 'new world' trope where I just generate a large chunk of land on, say, the ivory sea and those who wanted to start in the river kingdom (or the stolen lands) can instead start in this newly generated land?

I would also encourage you guys to check out page 13 and 15 of this:

Spoiler text: (Highlight or hover over the text to view)

https://bikurishita.files.word...er-players-guide.pdf


This message was last edited by the GM at 07:01, Sat 14 Mar 2020.
Finaril
player, 6 posts
Elven Wizard
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 07:28
  • msg #97

Re: OOC Yes

I have played Kingmaker a couple of times as well as the computer game.  I like the idea of an island in the Ivory Sea, Colonists kinds thing.
Aisent
player, 16 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 11:50
  • msg #98

Re: OOC Yes

Wherever Iomedae beckons I go :)
Aithne
player, 19 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 14 Mar 2020
at 20:06
  • msg #99

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 96):

*thumbs up*
Finaril
player, 7 posts
Elven Wizard
Sun 15 Mar 2020
at 10:47
  • msg #100

Re: OOC Yes

Curious is anyone else doubling up on items enchantments?

I'm taking elven boots of speed amongst a couple of other items.
Aisent
player, 17 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 15 Mar 2020
at 11:24
  • msg #101

Re: OOC Yes

Yes I did :)
The Meta
GM, 27 posts
Sun 15 Mar 2020
at 19:44
  • msg #102

Re: OOC Yes

I was waiting for you all to give a yes or no, I guess ill take that as a yes since there aren't any no's. that makes things significantly easier, ill have a map up soon.
You guys will need to all come in on the west coast, since you guys had planned to be at stolen lands so thats going to be the continent you guys are coming in from.

Those coming from Tia such and such (I havent looked at where that is yet) can come in from whatever continent houses those lands and Aisent can choose which side she wants to come in from.

To clarify, the default start point is West coast

those coming from any Tia whatever place may/can choose the nearest coast to there as their starting point

Aisent can/may choose any coast as her starting point.

I am going to add another player but if your sheet is ready then you may start as soon as the map is up. I am going to try and pick a central harbor point for west coast, a hastily made port town of sorts, and if you want to choose a different hex along the west coast you will have to contend with the extra travel time and coastal hazards.

btw, doing things in any other continent, lands, or otherwise is acceptable. the whole world is your oyster... go crack it open and reap its life force for your own, prepare for it to fight back though.

Just, those who wanted kingdoms or lands, this 'new land' is the best course to start. I can still make maps for those who want to start elsewhere but its going to be a lot harder and complicated. Also, anyone doing buildings without using bp will have a lot easier time to start but their buildings will typically be just buildings unless they do something extra to fix this.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:49, Sun 15 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 18 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 15 Mar 2020
at 20:15
  • msg #103

Re: OOC Yes

I think I'd probably start in the default town, despite Champion being able to travel over water the distance would be to great for him to travel over the ocean that way so coming by ship was most likely the path taken.
The Meta
GM, 29 posts
Sun 15 Mar 2020
at 22:01
  • msg #105

Re: OOC Yes

there are always boats, travel isnt the issue. but then again being all by your lonesome on the east coast would suck so the default port is probably going to be best.

Default port town map is up. ended up looking less hastily done then id like, more established, but we can pretend for now as it won't take long to get itself where it's at in the map anyways.

Imagine the walls are shoddy palisades and the towns are more log structures. the only two places that are established, clearly the first places put in, is the pier and the buildings to the left. the building structure to the right looks like barracks but the people occupying it would be more accurately called a militia.

*edit
actually, I did a shod job making walls to represent the shoddy walls. so thats something.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:38, Sun 15 Mar 2020.
Enoch
player, 1 post
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 02:15
  • msg #106

Re: OOC Yes

Right, three pretty good rolls, two kind of bad rolls, and one awful roll... probably shove that in charisma for the "by the gods what is that thing!"
right, time to map out skills and purchase some stuff...  let it be known, this is my first time playing Pathfinder, but not my first time playing D&D, so expect questions.
Aithne
player, 20 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 02:24
  • msg #107

Re: OOC Yes

I'd also like to start in the default town, even though from Tian.
The Meta
GM, 30 posts
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 02:28
  • msg #108

Re: OOC Yes

I need to verify your item costs and calculate out their totals, then run through and make sure you have the right skills and abilities (oh my, exciting) but if you two dont try to kill each other or the town then you both can start. ill make a post for the port town.
Ranos
player, 1 post
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 06:45
  • msg #109

Re: OOC Yes

Hello peeps
Finaril
player, 8 posts
Elven Wizard
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 07:16
  • msg #110

Re: OOC Yes

Welcome aboard
Ranos
player, 2 posts
Elan Psion
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 08:21
  • msg #111

Re: OOC Yes

thanks :) anything i should know about beforehand ?

and ill try to fill in my character sheet asap
This message was last edited by the player at 13:52, Mon 16 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 19 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 12:23
  • msg #112

Re: OOC Yes

Hello :)

I am the sword of Iomedae :)
Aithne
player, 21 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 22:37
  • msg #113

Re: OOC Yes

I'm still mulling over my initial post, just fyi.
Finaril
player, 9 posts
Elven Wizard
Mon 16 Mar 2020
at 23:05
  • msg #114

Re: OOC Yes

I think I am pretty much ready yo go, just mulling over whether to take a sword or not.
The Meta
GM, 35 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 01:08
  • msg #115

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 114):

once you give me the word, I lock your sheet and start vetting it while putting you in your ic group.

Kingdoms are going to have a kingdom group btw, both a public (for everyone who visits) and a private (for themselves) side group. (aithne, I took a screen shot of your myth sheet).

Once its been locked and vetted, you will need to put in a request for edits to it and I will do the edits.
Aisent
player, 23 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 01:37
  • msg #116

Re: OOC Yes

I can confirm that he locked mine a long time back :)
Enoch
player, 2 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 04:00
  • msg #117

Re: OOC Yes

I'm halfway through the purchasing process and have set aside some GP for Buildint Points for Kingdom buuilding. My question for the moment is, are tomes, such as the Tome of Understanding purchasable? I've heard, both figuratively and literally, that some DMs don't allow tomes in their games, so want the up and up here, thanks.
Aisent
player, 24 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 04:27
  • msg #118

Re: OOC Yes

Yep they are allowed, and yes some of us benefited from them but keep in mind their costly nature.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:29, Tue 17 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 36 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 05:38
  • msg #119

Re: OOC Yes

You are free to spend your level 20 wealth by level however you want, so long as it follows the WBL rules and limitations. Though, I dont see anyone finding an item that costs over 50 percent of 880k. I havent fully gone through the lists though so maybe ill be surprised.
The Meta
GM, 37 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 23:38
  • msg #120

Re: OOC Yes

aisent, I'm waiting on aithne before I give you anymore.
Aisent
player, 25 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 23:40
  • msg #121

Re: OOC Yes

That's fine
Finaril
player, 10 posts
Elven Wizard
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 23:41
  • msg #122

Re: OOC Yes

I think I am basically done... do you want to take a look and let me know what I have forgotten ;)
The Meta
GM, 38 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 23:41
  • msg #123

Re: OOC Yes

I will do so
The Meta
GM, 39 posts
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 23:46
  • msg #124

Re: OOC Yes

to make it less difficult on me, please indicate what choice you made in your trait choice... on the trait. You can do (choice here) after the trait, or whatever you prefer, just please indicate what choice you made.
Finaril
player, 11 posts
Elven Wizard
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 23:50
  • msg #125

Re: OOC Yes

Done
Aithne
player, 22 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 17 Mar 2020
at 23:56
  • msg #126

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 120):

Sorry, didn't realize you were waiting on me.
Aisent
player, 26 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 18 Mar 2020
at 16:22
  • msg #127

Re: OOC Yes

Aithne you need to pick which way you are going left or right....
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 8 posts
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 11:21
  • msg #128

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry all, I've been quiet due to work being a bit manic due to COVID, and so my mind hasn't been as focused on getting my character sorted for the game.

I'm still planning to have my own town, that others are happy to be involved with (. I keep getting torn as to what I have there, debating if I go for lots of small buildings to at as a foundation, so houses, shops, inn, etc., or have a castle and go what would be referred to as a "tall" build in building games, with a small number of more advanced buildings.

Though, as we have our entry town, would there be a reason why people would want to not stay there and come to my settlement?
Aisent
player, 27 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 11:30
  • msg #129

Re: OOC Yes

Are you charging 5 gp to enter the gate? If not then that's reason to come to your place :)
Finaril
player, 12 posts
Elven Wizard
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 11:44
  • msg #130

Re: OOC Yes

5gp, that's daylight robbery!
The Meta
GM, 42 posts
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 19:42
  • msg #131

Re: OOC Yes

im going to post for aithne and aisent soon. I've just been finding myself sleeping a lot this week given there's just nothing going on. Trying to keep my mind stimulated with walks and mathing your guys sheets but my mind is use to a lot more activity so its getting super bored from these empty days (absolutely not saying you guys are boring, just im use to so much more going on in my day)
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:35, Thu 19 Mar 2020.
Aithne
player, 26 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 19 Mar 2020
at 20:40
  • msg #132

Re: OOC Yes

You get used to multi-tasking then suddenly you find nothing that needs to be done in a hurry.   I went through that a few years ago, you eventually adjust.
Hiroshi
player, 1 post
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 00:55
  • msg #133

Re: OOC Yes

Well Abernatch, I hear your place is known for some great feasts. Maybe people would come by for the court-scene. Some high end boutiques, some theaters, and luxury inns. Could make it a cultural center.  Could also toss in a unique resource, plenty of things to mine, farm, fish, chop down, or conjure.
The Meta
GM, 43 posts
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 04:16
  • msg #134

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 130):

Lol, I love how so many seem to be gravitating to Abernatch, lol. I look forward to seeing where all that goes.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 9 posts
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 08:56
  • msg #135

Re: OOC Yes

Well this is what I have in mind for my town/city:
Castle
Noble Villa
Exotic Artisan
Luxury Store
Mansion
Town Hall
Barracks
Cistern
Dump
Jail
Watchtower
House
Library

Main way of managing to get so much, is the Castle makes the Noble Villa and Town Hall cheaper, and then they make all the things under them cheaper.
Only small things bought at full price are the House and the Library.

And that's only 131BP!

There's still some slots left available, though some I've tentatively reserved for upgrading them to larger buildings.

Think of it like an elite town, for the privileged, not the many.
The Meta
GM, 45 posts
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 10:51
  • msg #136

Re: OOC Yes

you are making a settlement, this will require you to start the settlment from scratch for the most part. You, and those who fallow to support, will need to travel to the place you want where you guys will then explore and clear the hex to then start building. If you have your plan, and are ready to settle, I can post the map for you and the other kingdom player whos read and you guys can make way for your prefered hex through your prefered travel method.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 10 posts
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 11:53
  • msg #137

Re: OOC Yes

So are we playing us making it from the very beginning, or having it where we have managed to get it to where we are?

If the former, than surely the 150 BP limit doesn't work, since we're starting at 0 and throwing money and supplies at the problem, building it slowly?

If the latter, then isn't it more about the history of how we got started, as short as it may be due to being relatively new? And using it as a springboard to new adventures and experiences?
Aisent
player, 28 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 12:24
  • msg #138

Re: OOC Yes

You made the message to Aithne to me instead :), I can see both mine and hers :)
The Meta
GM, 46 posts
Fri 20 Mar 2020
at 18:28
  • msg #139

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Cornelius Abernatch IV (msg # 137):

trust me, the 150 bp works.

remember, its a representation of more then just wealth. How are you going to buy labor and building material out in uncharted lands?

sure, you can cut down trees... but youd be doing it by yourself.

150 bp is more than new settlement grade, compare it to the adventure path where they give you 50 and some 30 per income. instead, you get a flat 150 to build AND to manage early consumption until you can zero out (or get yourself to some level of income).

then, from there, you have your foundation.

We were going to have you start with a hex and begin building on it but editing premade maps can be a pain. All I saw posted was consent for starting a new map using 'new world' trope, no one expressed being against it.

I'm probably also going to temporarily increase the early construction limits so it wont take so long to get all those buildings in place anyways.

@aisent, darn those similar names XD
ill try to be more careful about that, nothing critical going on right now though so it was an ok time to make that mistake.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:31, Fri 20 Mar 2020.
Enoch
player, 3 posts
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 05:17
  • msg #140

Re: OOC Yes

In case if anyone is wondering, and it is perfectly fine, and probably for the best you aren't, I'm still here, still working on putting things together. This is the first time I'll be playing pathfinder, so there are things I'm still becoming acquainted  with. Also, given that I help manage data for the CDC, my work schedule is a bit all over the place at the moment. Just as a general update, thanks.
Enoch
player, 4 posts
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 05:20
  • msg #141

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 139):



Its a little tricky from my end at the moment to figure out exactly how much BP translates to workers and such, still very much listening to the rules and all, but I'm certainly assuming that BP will need to be spent to get workers, and builders, and soldiers and the like.
Aisent
player, 30 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 05:30
  • msg #142

Re: OOC Yes

Hopefully we can get past this outbreak and life can start returning to normal.
The Meta
GM, 47 posts
Sat 21 Mar 2020
at 06:49
  • msg #143

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 141):

a good hard and fast for bp is its roughly half valuables and half labor force. some people like to do it in thirds because its labor, material, and expenses and such but I just round it out to roughly half and half.

This accounts for being able to convert it back to gold at about half rate (not exactly whats intended but its fine).

furthermore, you dont need to use bp if you dont want to.

if you want to, you should probably just set aside 100k, or 150k, for bp and spend the rest on your items and such (the hard part). At the end of it all you can make the final decision if you want to start with bp (you can get bp later).
Kalven
player, 4 posts
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 02:40
  • msg #144

Re: OOC Yes

After driving 2200 miles home and settled in, my character sheet is complete.

Please review when you have a chance DM.

I have not spent my gold / BP to buy land and wanted to look on the map after character review.

How are you all doing?  Sheltering in place?  I will be home with my 3 year old daughter.   I'm looking forward to coloring, movies, naps, and introducing her to nerf guns!  =D
Enoch
player, 5 posts
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 05:27
  • msg #145

Re: OOC Yes

I'm at work, I'm waiting more possible data for  some projects I'm involved in, its  not quite 1:30 AM where I am, which you can probably guess where that is from my time stamp. I'm the only one here at the moment, which is nice, since its quiet.  In a moment, I'll go back to working on a magical set of armor I want to give my character, and I'm finding the this pathfinder site to be very easy to navigate with my screen-reader.
The Meta
GM, 48 posts
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 05:45
  • msg #146

Re: OOC Yes

I appreciate your diligence in keeping us updated, enoch, but dont worry so much.

Kalven, probably add how much bp you want to start with and ill lock your sheet. the moment you have that done I will post the map and you and finarl can go forth and colonize.
Kalven
player, 5 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 14:58
  • msg #147

Re: OOC Yes

I am good to go.   Will lock in my sheet and go with 250 BP to start with, if that is allowed.

Will be focused on making a mining colony/ dwarven fortress.   Into a mountain or hillside if a mountain isn't available.   A lot of digging!
The Meta
GM, 49 posts
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 16:48
  • msg #148

Re: OOC Yes

you can only start with 150
Kalven
player, 6 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sun 22 Mar 2020
at 18:43
  • msg #149

Re: OOC Yes

Ok.  I’ll start with 150.
The Meta
GM, 50 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 07:38
  • msg #150

Re: OOC Yes

I'm not sure why it's doing this weird curvy thing, I'm working on making it convert right... but for now here's something you guys can use to start with.

Only the area near the port town has roughly been explored. Mostly general stuff.

There are things purposely omitted from the map, and I'm going to do my best to simulate a 'living map' by including roving bandits and other settlers and the such.

There is currently a map made with the undiscovered things, so I'm giving you a bit of a hex crawl but I absolutely know a lot of what's already on the map.

If you have any complaints, requests, or otherwise (besides the weird map angle), please let me know and I will try to answer or accommodate.
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:44, Mon 23 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 58 posts
Wed 25 Mar 2020
at 00:00
  • msg #151

Re: OOC Yes

XD I got so into talking about it that I didnt post it XD

https://imgur.com/K0OXu0i

As for the lyre of building, since people are asking about how.

Just be practical, follow its rules. It works best during the weekly actions (and can help with things like building roads for free) but it can be used during dailies and monthlies. Get creative, just remember though that bp is more then just money and material so kingmaker building things like fisheries and even castles will not be able to be solely built using a lyre.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:06, Wed 25 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 59 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 00:37
  • msg #152

Re: OOC Yes

Cornelius has stopped logging in since 3 days ago and danus from about a week ago. if they dont log in, let alone make progress in char gen, I'm going to drop them.

I imagine Cornelius is a little deterred that they spent so much time determining their settlement just to learn they arent just starting established. I'd get that, but they could still use their planning as a guide for how they want to get established. Anyways, I haven't seen any sort of sheet from them.

Danus has a sheet, no items though, but about a week (probably more than a week) is a long time to not log on.

I will give them till Monday before I decide to drop either of them. However, if neither logs in before next Wednesday then I am going to deem them having abandoned the game and will drop them.

So, to clarify, maybe monday, but def next wednesday, if neither has logged on then I will drop them.

There is someone else waiting to join, I will add that person if I drop either danus or cornelius.
Aisent
player, 32 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 02:08
  • msg #153

Re: OOC Yes

If they were mostly accessing from a school or business that's been shut down they may not be able to log in as much. Also if they have kids now at home that could be a problem. Lot's of places locked down, I've noticed almost all games going much slower now than before. Still you are GM and it's your call just pointing out some extraordinary circumstances, maybe send them an rmail?
Aithne
player, 29 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 02:31
  • msg #154

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 153):

I've noticed that trend as well; I have one game where the GM has been gone a month.
The Meta
GM, 60 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 02:47
  • msg #155

Re: OOC Yes

so you guys prefer I give the players more time?
Aisent
player, 33 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 03:20
  • msg #156

Re: OOC Yes

Do we have other folks building a settlement?

I think maybe not kick them right away give it a couple weeks, but hard to say I don't know them. I just know more and more stuff gets shut down around me almost daily.

If we don't have anyone else planning a settlement (as a ruler type) we might need to recruit some, having multiple ones isn't a bad idea should the first return.
Finaril
player, 15 posts
Elven Wizard
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 03:28
  • msg #157

Re: OOC Yes

I'm doing an Elvish settlement, there will be a Dwarven one too. It could even be a combined one at this point.
Kalven
player, 7 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 03:33
  • msg #158

Re: OOC Yes

Aye, I say give them some more time.  I am home with my 3 year old daughter since her day care shut down.  My wife works in the medical field and works daily.   It is crazy times and even I find myself distracted and helping family over the phone and internet right now.


Finaril and I are working together to establish our settlements.  We may combine them into a big one or be neighbors right beside each other.  We haven't decided yet.  If anyone is interested in joining us shoot us a message.   Safety in numbers.
Aisent
player, 34 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 03:38
  • msg #159

Re: OOC Yes

I'm searching for where Iomedae needs me to squash chaos and evil :), I'm not a 'ruler' nor desire to rule. But I might be someone who could help the right person establish their kingdom....
Aecthelion
player, 3 posts
Elven Ranger
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 03:41
  • msg #160

Re: OOC Yes

Prince Finaril has sent me to talk to the humans at Newporton I think it's called.  From there we will need to go explore and see if we can find somewhere suitable.
Kalven
player, 8 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 03:56
  • msg #161

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent, your invited to join me as I will be digging into the earth and starting a mining colony.  Don't know where I am headed yet for sure.  Working with Finaril on that.  I told him I would be willing to dig into hills or a mountain, but would like to have our areas beside each other or in the same area.  We are hashing it out, but there is one thing that will be true.   When digging into caves and mountains and exploring forests there is bound to be some bad creatures or bandits that want to cause problems.   Your sword is welcome any time.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 11 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 11:58
  • msg #162

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
Cornelius has stopped logging in since 3 days ago and danus from about a week ago. if they dont log in, let alone make progress in char gen, I'm going to drop them.

I imagine Cornelius is a little deterred that they spent so much time determining their settlement just to learn they arent just starting established. I'd get that, but they could still use their planning as a guide for how they want to get established. Anyways, I haven't seen any sort of sheet from them.


Sorry. Work and home life have been tough, as I'm having to stay at home with my son during the day and then catch up with some work in the evening, as I can take time off whilst my partner works in a hospital.

Main thing for me to sort is spending money. The bulk of my sheet is ready otherwise, so I can get it uploaded.
Aithne
player, 30 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 12:36
  • msg #163

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 159):

I haven't devised a long term plan either, but open to possibilities.
Enoch
player, 6 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 17:32
  • msg #164

Re: OOC Yes

I have some questions now… okay, more questions:
  1. Can we spend our starting gold to hire people, and should we be using the rate breakdown for such situations as a consequence? Mercenary pay for possible dangerous situations, etc. For what I’m referring to, see/ listen to
    https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equip...s-servants-services/

  2. In a similar train of thought, can we use our gold to purchase a building or two in a settled area? A central location that we can fall back to and where I can park my airship near would be nice.   I recall you saying that the map had some settled areas, and if one happens to be a port, or near a river, I’d like to try and snag something there.


As always, thanks.
Enoch
player, 7 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 17:37
  • msg #165

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Kalven (msg # 161):

I'd be interested in building a community near said hill or mountain, but would like a portion of it above ground. I have a plan that involves the use of some moble siege towers and a few moble galaries - - walls if you prefer - - that will allow mercenary forces to protect builders as they begin construction. That of course will be after we find a place to settle. An airship will allow for rapid transfer of several tons of goods as well, but I'll post my initial thoughts more fully, in a day or two.
Ranos
player, 3 posts
Elan Psion
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 17:39
  • msg #166

Re: OOC Yes

I'm happy to join whoever to help with their starting town.
Not planning for a town myself so being an adventurer.
The Meta
GM, 61 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 17:51
  • msg #167

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 164):

there is one premade port town, its the only, known, established town as of yet.
you can spend your gold however you want, so long as it follows the rules.

In the intro thread where I've posted this game's personal rules, I've stated hirelings must be hired on a week to week bases so you'd follow the rates for them at a per week cost.
it'd be recommended, though, that you try to get hirelings in the port town or else id likely want you to pay a weeks worth pre start for the hireling.

the pro's and cons here are you'd need to request an npc pool roll (I explained how i'd handle this in the intro) and then you could see some npc's for hire in the port town.
doing this will take time, and the pool wont be so ideal, but theres less up front pay.

where as if you come in with a hireling, even if you say they've been your hireling for a long time, youd have to pay a weeks worth of pay to bring them in. This is to cover cost for boat fair and travel to have them 'enter the game' with you.
more upfront cost, but you get to bring in hirelings you want.
Enoch
player, 8 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 18:06
  • msg #168

Re: OOC Yes

For some reason I didn't hear that when I listened to it earlier. Let me go back and relisten before I ask any more questions you've already answered.
Enoch
player, 9 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 18:08
  • msg #169

Re: OOC Yes

The rule is perfectly reasonable by the way.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 12 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 19:24
  • msg #170

Re: OOC Yes

Whilst pricey, what about the Teams rules for people too?

https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?...=Rooms%20and%20Teams

For me, the difference between Hirelings and Teams, is that Hirelings are people you rent, whereas Teams are you putting up the resources to get them setup and equipped, a sort of job for life/indentured servitude. And not only that, but they can MAKE you money, though I imagine the time it would take to cover the costs would be some time.

If one needed to see a lawyer for example, I'd imagine most people would pay the 3.5-70gp to hire one for a week, rather than 200gp to have a team of them on retainer. Whereas I love the idea of being all Mr Burns and having them work for me, and making ME money when I'm not needing them.
The Meta
GM, 62 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 19:47
  • msg #171

Re: OOC Yes

Fascinating, i'd be more inclined to go find players to play these recruits but I am not saying no to this. the way this game is designed kind of allows abuse for this system coming out the gate but later on down the line there's no reason why not.

if you use this, as I am generating the available npcs' pool, I will mostly just give you names and a brief description of those available to you. You could investigate the people a little to get a better idea of them but actual alignment, stats, and feats will be hidden.

For using this in 'the new lands', I think I am going to restrict it to those in the port town or those in your own settlements rather than bringing them in. If you need a why, imagine it as this. those people get set up, gear, and now they owe you? but you are going to a different land mass then them. Sounds like the perfect opportunity to walk away scott free with all you just gave them. Also, most of them will have families, duties, love interests, or otherwise some kind of anchor incentive that will prevent them from wanting to leave their lands.

The reason why hirelings are different is thats their livelihood, they do stuff for money, and besides once they are no longer paid they can just go back or even find a new employer in the area.
Aisent
player, 35 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 19:50
  • msg #172

Re: OOC Yes

I'm in town for anyone seeking recruits...won't be to hard to find me, not to many folks wearing mithral full plate and on a horse that has mithral chain shirt barding on it :), so shouldn't be to hard to find me :0
The Meta
GM, 63 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 19:56
  • msg #173

Re: OOC Yes

btw, aisent and aithne, ill give you a new post later today. doing some class stuff.
Enoch
player, 10 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 20:46
  • msg #174

Re: OOC Yes

Honestly to me at least, it seems like the hireling, retainer, follower system from 2e... hirlings do it for the gold by the day or by the week, retainers are based on a combination of pay and reputation, and followers are purely reputation and charisma and natural leadership.

Followers cannot be sent into harms way though, but teams can, and so can hirelings.
The Meta
GM, 64 posts
Thu 26 Mar 2020
at 22:51
  • msg #175

Re: OOC Yes

How about this Cornelius, You can't recruit a team with your starting gold/wealth.
you MUST use gold/wealth earned in-game.

This way I won't have to set some ridiculous arbitrary timer and you can get one at any time after you start earning gold.

done and done, sound fair?

For now, I added this to the intro thread, if you guys prefer it handled some other way I will take suggestions and deliberate on it based on those suggestions.

*edit*
as a note, Since we have at least two ruler players and a small handful of adventurers ready.

I intend to start accepting weekly actions on friday. Depending on how those go, I may start monthlies on the following week.

For those adventurers waiting on my next post. I will get one out by tonight.

dailies will start being accepted tomorrow, Consider this downtime activity, you can do regular role play in the port town thread even while doing the dalies.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:27, Thu 26 Mar 2020.
Aithne
player, 31 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 05:08
  • msg #176

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 173):

I'm not in any rush, as I now have to sit down and figure out what she's going to do.  Other than walk around town looking cute, attracting WAY too much attention (both good and bad), and generally being an agent for chaos.
Finaril
player, 16 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 07:31
  • msg #177

Re: OOC Yes

Do we have a Game Map of the isles?
The Meta
GM, 66 posts
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 11:11
  • msg #178

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 177):

ive posted here and added it to intro recently.

*edit
and now ive gotten a better version of the map posted.
https://imgur.com/Ddu4QkH
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:35, Fri 27 Mar 2020.
Finaril
player, 17 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 12:16
  • msg #179

Re: OOC Yes

OK so how are we going to use the map?  In terms of telling you have we move around and which hex we want to set up in.

Can we put it up on the Game Map?

Where is Newport on the map?
The Meta
GM, 67 posts
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 17:27
  • msg #180

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 179):

its too big for map upload, I forgot the hex numbers for this conversion (damn thing defaults to not having them every time I load it up). but then i also forgot to put the elevation indicators too so i can go do both real quick now that I know how to properly convert the map.
port town is mid left. in the only part of the map with details like rivers and such.

*edit

ok, a numbered map is up in intro thread now.

port town is at about 22.70
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:58, Fri 27 Mar 2020.
Arkrim
editor, 1 post
Co-GM
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 19:31
  • msg #181

Re: OOC Yes

Hello everyone. New Co-GM here. Will just be lurking for a while to get the feel for the game and then helping run later.
Aisent
player, 37 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 21:18
  • msg #182

Re: OOC Yes

Hello, and welcome
Finaril
player, 18 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 22:49
  • msg #183

Re: OOC Yes

Welcome aboard
Aithne
player, 33 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 27 Mar 2020
at 23:09
  • msg #184

Re: OOC Yes

*waves*
Aisent
player, 38 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 02:12
  • msg #185

Re: OOC Yes

Okay I want to be sure I'm doing this right :)

So what do we post in Dailies?

So right now I'm Gathering Information, would I post that in dailies?
Finaril
player, 19 posts
Elven Wizard
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 02:34
  • msg #186

Re: OOC Yes

OK had a good look at the map a few things

Size, I think it's too big for what we need, with 4 or so ruler types probably half that size would be big enough.

Waterways, only one river on the map?  a city needs fresh water to survive, suggesting some additions.

Which way is North? straight up or on the hex diagonal.

How big are the hexes?

Some of the terrain types aren't really clear on what they are can we get a key showing what's what.

Sorry for being a pain but I think that would clear things up.
The Meta
GM, 69 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 03:02
  • msg #187

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent

not unless you want to spend hours doing that. my next post is going to give you pretty much all you are going to get from the tavern and its not really an hourly task there. However, if you want to go around asking people about things you could and THAT would be a dailies thing because you are literally walking around town for x number of hours striking up conversation to gain information.

Upkeep is what you are using for the activities. like, maybe a wizard wants to use visualization of the mind for a charsima or int boost to whatever they aim to do. Ok, so you spend a spell slot for +5 to checks. record what you had, how much you spent, and then the new total.

maybe you want to craft, so the spell slot and cost of crafting.

Once you are finished with all your buffs, costs, etc... basically your prep and expense.

you go on to what it is you want to do. what is all this glorious buffing and spending for? you want to try to craft as best a palm sized wooden horse as ever has been crafted? ok, do the thing, roll using your gloriously buffed modifier.

did it fail? did it succeed? record you progress or failure. In most cases, you cant finish something that has a cost unless you finish paying off the cost. How are you going to finish that masterwork palm sized wooden horse if you dont have all the wood? Cost is pretty relative in most cases, just assume you lack something to finish the task (gloss? primer? maybe your sander is too warn out now?). Sometimes you can appeal to finish it without all the cost yet paid, give a reason and either I or Arkrim can go and give it a stamp of denial (or approval). Example and hint, if you can take a loan for costs then this would be one way to 'pay it off without actually having fully paid it off'. You WILL need to finish paying asap though.

next is income. so, maybe you werent crafting the worlds best palm sized wooden horse... say you were just polishing peoples armor or whatever. How much did you earn?

say you did finish your horse, and you immediately want to sell it. Whever you did... record what you had, how much you earned, and then the new total. Pretty much the opposite of upkeep.

Events are events, its mostly a side thing you dont have to touch. ^_^ I or arkrim will touch it for you *scary laser eyes and demon voice*.
You can roll it if you want, we may allow it, or do our own rolls, or whatever. as said in the intro... the actions' event's is one of the very few times I will be arbitrary.

Do you have any further questions on this?

Finaril

I did say most the map is unexplored.

trust me when I say that in time you will be grateful for such a large map. What happens if you lose your kingdom and have to relocate? what if you are at war, losing, and decide to grab some bp and make a run for another spot?

Also, once I get you guys going, I may add another couple of players.

Theres also tactical room on this map for strategic waterway maneuvers (this is specifically why I chose a group of islands for the map. I wanted to go broken lands but hex crafter didnt want to cooperate).

Finally, on why the size will be good in the long run, this is a multi tier game... remember? if you post for adventurers or mercenaries and I get players to play those, they have play room to spare. Maybe they even end up becoming bandits, outlaws, or new rulers.... or they hit the trees and go monster hunting to be better mercenaries for you rulers? Plenty of land for whatever can happen.

I am aware the size is why it doesnt fit in the map upload rpol section. I dont think we really need it there since its publicly available anyways. I get its slightly less convenient. if you really-really-really want, I can make a map thread and embed the map(s).

Rivers are features and most features are not visible until explored. Thankfully they are really easy to find and typically just moving into proximity of them will find them. the land mass is literally dead new, the port town is a hastily made hub from the people who either happened to be there when the land emerged or who got there first. No actual exploration has been made other then near the port town.


as for hex sizes:

quote:
Dale McCoy Jr wrote:

    As Urath DM said, there was considerable confusion over what "12 miles across" meant. The first version of the our rules (Exploration and Kingdom Building) had the measurement being 12 miles from side to side. As you pointed out Laithoron, that comes out to 125 mi^2, not 150. The only way I was able to get ~150 miles^2 with a 12 miles across statement is to assume a square instead of a hex. That would give 144 mi^2.

    We looked for clarification on the boards, but ultimately we needed to make a decision and we chose to go with 12 mile sides. At the time we felt that was what Paizo had originally intended. That comes out to ~375 mi^2. That is the official ruling for this book.

    If you prefer to adjust the number for your own game, it has little bearing on the way the kingdom building aspect is played. In the same way that the kingdom's population is simply a fluff number, the dimensions of a hex are more fluff then of game altering mechanics. For example the travel time across a hex is a static number, despite the distance across a hex varies widely depending on how you are measuring it. A 12 mile side is 24 miles when measured from corner to corner, yet the travel time remains the same. So if you choose to call the hex size different but leave the travel time the same, it has little impact on game play.

    Sorry for the confusion.

Dale McCoy Jr wrote:

    Gamemonger wrote:

        The Book of the River Nations doubles the width of hexes (and quadruples the area of hexes).

        The Kingmaker book said 12 miles from corner to corner (or 6 miles a side). James Jacobs once clarified this as 12 miles center-to-center (Approximately 7 miles a side). Both of these are much less than The Book of the River Nations' statement of 12 miles to a side.

        This causes conflict with the Pathfinder overland travel rules (basically doubles the speed of travel), whereas the Kingmaker version is a mere simplification of the overland travel rules.

        The Book of the River Nations also misrepresents the size of The Stolen Lands as larger than Washington State, whereas its supposed to be about the size of Maine. It also makes city districts seem like they take up much less space in a hex than they really do.

        In other words, this small mistake "breaks" a lot of the assumptions that go into the Kingmaker AP.

        Any chance of fixing this in the PDF?

    This was asked upthread I said then that I was not going to. There are several reasons why. I don't know if I shared them all in one place before so I'll share them all here:

    1) It doesn't change any of the actual game mechanics itself. The travel time table is identical to the one in the Adventure. If you want to change that for your home game it makes no difference to the game itself. None. If you want to change it for your own game, rest assured that your game experience will not change. Just like the actual population number, no mechanics are actually dependent upon the size of the hex or the area of the kingdom. Simply the number of hexes your kingdom occupies.

    2) This is not a slam on Paizo or anyone that works there but I do not believe that anyone there is either a mathematician or civil engineer. Infact their open calls for game designers/developers typically calls for an english or a history degree. (I'm an engineer by day job and by degree.) The way you calculate area of a hexagon is to measure a side. So my natural assumption was that the 12 miles corner to corner was that it was a typo and they actually meant 12 miles per side. Jacobs clarification came after (or atleast I didn't hear about it until after) the book had already gone to print (and mathematically speaking, you don't measure the distance between points A and B to get something that B has nothing to do with, it is poor mathematics). Before it went to print, however, I ran through ALOT of calculation models before publishing the book (including models with 6 mile sides and 7 mile sides, because I did question exactly what they meant) and I found that the 12 mile sided hex worth of farms was closer to providing the consumption reduction (the actual number was like 11.6 something miles, IIRC). Mind you, the calculations assumed alot of things that simply aren't true like the growth rate was constant from year to year and all farmers were equally skilled, but it is as historically accurate as I can make it. That was the same reason why I switched the Warden and the Marshall, historical accuracy.

    3) The Book of the River Nations has sold over 1000 copies. There are only 2 other Pathfinder Compatible books that I know of that have also passed that threshold (Tome of Horrors Complete and Psionics Unleashed).

    There are simply to many copies of the book out there for me to invalidate for something that neither is historically accurate nor changes the way the game is played. If there ever is a second edition of the book, we are on the list of things to look at, but that will depend on if any future books use the kingdom building rules (*cough*Shadowsfall*cough) and their relative popularity and so forth. All I can say that we'll see. But for this version, the way it is is the way it is.


I, personally, prefer to use the 'from one side to the other interpretation' (rather than center to center) but will accept either use as, as the quote addresses, most everything is mechanically the same in both cases.

besides, terrain tends to be different from hex to hex so if one person does like 144 and another likes 375 then we can just hard stamp that as we go to simulate the differences in terrain.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:06, Sat 28 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 39 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 03:08
  • msg #188

Re: OOC Yes

Hmm I'll see what you post and then figure out what to do from there since I've not encountered anyone else.
Aithne
player, 34 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 03:38
  • msg #189

Re: OOC Yes

What Aithne ends up doing on a daily basis depends on several things, as she's trained as both an Alchemist and an Engineer.  Can we get a rough list of what buildings and services are available, as well as possible employment opportunities (like a job board)?
Aisent
player, 40 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 03:53
  • msg #190

Re: OOC Yes

The Adventurer and Mercenary Board I think is waiting for players to post a job I'm not sure :)
The Meta
GM, 70 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 04:00
  • msg #191

Re: OOC Yes

when rulers have their turns, they will get events.
Sometimes those events have monsters show up.

Theres also plenty of exploration and clearing to do...

all of this is what the mercenary board is for. It's the middle space between people posting jobs and people looking for jobs.

rulers, since they are a character, can also take up jobs if they really want. Though, likely, they will need to travel to another rulers kingdom to make it happen.
Ranos
player, 4 posts
Elan Psion
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 08:53
  • msg #192

Re: OOC Yes

Im just wondering where to start as an adventurer x3 all this information is so much
Aisent
player, 41 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 11:28
  • msg #193

Re: OOC Yes

You should probably start arriving in New Port :)
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 13 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 11:42
  • msg #194

Re: OOC Yes

Ranos:
Im just wondering where to start as an adventurer x3 all this information is so much


You're not alone in this regard.

As a planned ruler, I'm not sure what I'm going to be doing, and what I'll be offering adventurers. When you have spent 880k, what's 100 gold to slay some monsters?
Ranos
player, 5 posts
Elan Psion
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 14:13
  • msg #195

Re: OOC Yes

adventurers still start at lvl 1
Aisent
player, 44 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 14:26
  • msg #196

Re: OOC Yes

Yes I suppose :)
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 14 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 14:47
  • msg #197

Re: OOC Yes

IC I can't offer them sweet sweet XP in exchange for slaying monsters. And not everyone will do it because they're Good. If they do, great, bunch of suckers!
Aisent
player, 45 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 16:57
  • msg #198

Re: OOC Yes

Promise of a share of treassure, promise of land, lots of things....
The Meta
GM, 72 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 18:09
  • msg #199

Re: OOC Yes

Ever watch eden of the east? welcome to dnd edition ;p
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 15 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 18:40
  • msg #200

Re: OOC Yes

Never seen it, so unfortunately that means nothing to me.

On a completely unrelated note, what languages will people be speaking/understanding?

Mine are:
Common (Taldane)
Tien
Hallit
Kelish
Osiriani
Infernal
Varisian
Cyclops
Thassilonian

I wanted more regional languages then purely racial, as I figure it's part of Cornelius being worldly and educated. Plus civilised humanoid often speak a regional language. Though I plan to gradually learn more languages.
Aisent
player, 46 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 20:32
  • msg #201

Re: OOC Yes

I speak Common and Celestial....
Aithne
player, 35 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 20:50
  • msg #202

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Cornelius Abernatch IV (msg # 200):

Tian
Common
Sylvan
Celestial
Draconic
Dwarven
Elven
Ranos
player, 6 posts
Elan Psion
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 21:22
  • msg #203

Re: OOC Yes

here are my languages:
common
draconic
dwarven
sylvan
goblin
This message was last updated by the player at 21:22, Sat 28 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 73 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 22:43
  • msg #204

Re: OOC Yes

guys, please use the action sheet so you get your xp for your activities.

Upkeep:

Activity:

Income:

Event:

heres an awesome table to do it all pretty like with.

*edit this to time alotment, day/week/month
Upkeep
*words
*words
*words
Activity
*words
*words
*words
*words
Income
*words
Event
*words

Easy copy and past:

|!! *edit this to time alotment, day/week/month |
|! Upkeep |
| *words |
| *words |
| *words |
|! Activity |
| *words |
| *words |
| *words |
| *words |
|! Income |
| *words |
|! Event |
| *words |

The below text includes the experience gain algorithm for getting experience from skills.

quote:
Experience from Skill checks:

DC x 5 x half level /8

Nornally, you may only gain experience for 8 hours of skill checks in any given day.
Any extended action skill check can count as an hour.

If you have ways to do a skill faster then normal, or to stay active for longer periods of time during any day, you may count every hour as half an hour in regards to the cap (effectively doubling your daily experience cap).

This message was last edited by the GM at 23:05, Sat 28 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 74 posts
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 23:33
  • msg #205

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent, you are a dork and I adore your post. thank you for doing the table.

your income would look like this:


DC(10) x 5 x half level(1) /8 = 6.25 x hours (8) = 50 xp
0 starting + 50 xp earned = 50 total xp

since you are checking around about what the sailors saw, its considered common knowledge. Maybe theres some rumors spiced into that info, but its absolutely not anything obscure or secretive. So pathfinder rules puts that dc at 10.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skill.../#Gather_Information

you can probably cut out the divide by 8, times 8, part and just get 50 but I added it because what if you only wanted to spend 2 hours, or 1 hour, doing that? you'd get 6 or 12 experience (I know, its not much, I didnt want it to make fighting to get experience pointless).

Im working on responses to everything btw, and almost done checking Cornelius's sheet.

This would also work:
| DC(10) x 5 x half level(1) = 50, 0 + 50 = 50 |
Because it shows your previous exp total, the earned exp, and the new exp total.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:38, Sat 28 Mar 2020.
Aithne
player, 37 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 28 Mar 2020
at 23:59
  • msg #206

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 205):

Just to clarify: Aithne isn't doing anything on day one other than resting.  Should I then put the daily for day 2 onward?

Also, can we take 10 on the daily instead of rolling?
This message was last edited by the player at 00:03, Sun 29 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 75 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 00:07
  • msg #207

Re: OOC Yes

you can take 10 anytime and place that the rules would let you. this is usually in any none stressful or hostile situation.

You are exploring though, right? this is a form of information gathering since you are getting a lay of the land as well as developing your knowledge local. for instance, you (and anyone else) will find militia like people trying to block them from going to the corner with the temple. 'exploring' would teach you this.

*edit
Aecthelion

Im sorry if i wasnt clear, gather information, or information gathering, 'builds' your knowledge local. what Aithne wants to do, what you posted you want to do, are gather information checks like what Aisent did but with different information objectives.

would you like me to edit your post to the correct skill?
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:51, Sun 29 Mar 2020.
Aithne
player, 38 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 01:55
  • msg #208

Re: OOC Yes

It can be a Knowledge (local) check if you like, that's fine.

I'm following your intent, so feel free to adjust however you feel is appropriate (i.e. I'm having a brain fart about the mechanics right this moment).   She'll actually start working on day 2.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:24, Sun 29 Mar 2020.
Aecthelion
player, 7 posts
Elven Ranger
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 03:36
  • msg #209

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 207):

Yeah sure, that makes sense.
The Meta
GM, 76 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 04:19
  • msg #210

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 208):

Knowledge local is an int skill, int is remembering things or researching things in a scholarly manner. Knowledge local, demonstrated with bardic knowledge, is how well you know an area.

You cant knowledge check on something you dont know.

Think of it like this, you do a knowledge local to walk around, check out the town. you come across a manor with an emblem. if youve lived in the area for extended time you can knowledge local to know that a noble family holds the town as their fief and their emblem is such and such. Since thats the emblem you see, you now know this is their manor.

You could also use knowledge nobles to see who the emblem belongs to.

if you havent lived in an area, the best you may be able to knowledge local to know who runs the town but nothing else. and thats probably going to be a high DC since you arent sure if its changed or if it was false information or whatever.

Now, I mentioned researching, to avoid confusion, research is like spellcraft or trying to 'discover' a spell. it can also be reading and comprehending books.

Does this all make sense?
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 16 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 10:22
  • msg #211

Re: OOC Yes

Is there any property available to buy, or vacant lots, in Newport?
The Meta
GM, 78 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 10:45
  • msg #212

Re: OOC Yes

Likely, very likely, they need money to expand, but that would require investigation.

Im still going through your sheet, but felt it was safe to lock it and put you in play. did you want to shift something around so you could buy property?
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:46, Sun 29 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 17 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 10:55
  • msg #213

Re: OOC Yes

Depending on how they want to expand, I weren't sure if some of my BP brought with me would get used, or just some money.

Maybe an offer financial support for the town, in exchange for position, etc...?
The Meta
GM, 79 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 11:01
  • msg #214

Re: OOC Yes

you can use bp if you want. That all sounds like in game negotiations. How do you want to approach that?
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 18 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 11:22
  • msg #215

Re: OOC Yes

Play out me arriving, finding out who is in charge, some Diplomacy rolls, maybe Knowledges, Bluff, depending on what both sides want.

As if I don't benefit from the investment, then it's charity, not an investment. And you don't get to be wealthy by giving it away!
Aithne
player, 39 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 17:11
  • msg #216

Re: OOC Yes

And how are we planning on doing Profession checks?   As they represent a week and have no set DC.

Also, another question while I'm thinking about it.   Is it okay to assume the characters of noble birth and/or rulers have some proof of their identity?
This message was last edited by the player at 17:38, Sun 29 Mar 2020.
Kalven
player, 10 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 17:40
  • msg #217

Re: OOC Yes

I'm working things out with Finaril and will be moving to my area to start a colony.

Will be posting to hire some mercenaries soon.
The Meta
GM, 80 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 17:49
  • msg #218

Re: OOC Yes

The complicated but accurate method would be to compare the action intended with comparative none profession DC's.

There is also the alternative profession rules that actually favors the player in that you can just use the comparative action in lieu of your profession activity.

The easy way would be just to round down your roll to nearest 5 (5, 10, 15, 20, 25, etc) then minus 10. it seems like its taking a lot off the top but it scales appropriately and assumes average action since its a profession where you are cranking something out like a factory rather than, say, crafting a sword that will perform best for you.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:51, Sun 29 Mar 2020.
Enoch
player, 11 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 18:29
  • msg #219

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 216):


Typically it is bad for one's health, using a medieval analog, to say you are a member of the nobility, and not be...  now, add in magic where people, at least some people, can sometimes detect lies,  decreases the likelihood of con-artists trying this root.  Also, typically nobility had behavior patterns that were considered part of who they were, and the kind of class they were a part of.  Obviously, certain items and colors also would probably come into play.

What, I'm afraid I don't know off the top of my head, since I don't know enough about Pathfinder's world just yet, but it would certainly have some.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 19 posts
"Words are like arrows"
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 19:07
  • msg #220

Re: OOC Yes

Aithne:
Also, another question while I'm thinking about it.   Is it okay to assume the characters of noble birth and/or rulers have some proof of their identity?


Wanting them to prove that they are noble-born when they say they are? Or are you wanting to claim you are one, and not be rumbled?

These are examples of checks and their DC, related to Knowledge (Nobility):
Know current rulers and their symbols DC10
Know proper etiquette DC15
Know line of succession DC20

Also, has anyone struggled to think what nation their character comes from? I was thinking generic Taldan, but more and more and feel Cornelius fits the attitude and style of someone from Cheliax...
The Meta
GM, 81 posts
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 19:58
  • msg #221

Re: OOC Yes

Kalven, I meant to say this earlier and its my own fault for forgetting to mention it.

Keep in mind that unless you've spent from your wealth to own a vessel you dont actually own it. That is to say, someone else owns it and they are loaning/renting it to you for transport into the island. This follows the typical hireling rules, we can hand waive the initial/basic costs as trivial in cost. Since its an Air ship, I am fine with you using this to get to a settlement hex you find appealing, however, going inland where the dangers increase will cost per the hireling rules for hazardous employment. Also, once you offload and begin working on the hex, the airship will leave you where you offload at.

You can find vessels and their costs if you want to own one, however. I also meant to make sure Finaril also spent for theirs but cant recall if I checked.

I know I didnt mention this, so dont stress about it, either of you, if this causes conflicts in your sheet then I will make sure to work with you on fixing it in a way that is ideal for you. I apologize for not addressing this earlier.
Kalven
player, 12 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sun 29 Mar 2020
at 20:11
  • msg #222

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry about that Meta.   I haven’t posted thoroughly in a couple days and been putting out fires in my personal life with all the quarantine going on.

Had spoken with you and wanted to add a few items we had spoken would be ok.     Added a few magic items,  the airship, and a single hireling/ retainer  that I wanted to add to my dwarf colonist that are with me.  Had deducted the money from my private Kalven thread and posted the private message to you about the items, airship, and gnome I wished to hire and start with.
Enoch
player, 12 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 16:17
  • msg #223

Re: OOC Yes

It might interest you all to know that a five ft by five ft by 3 inch iron plate weighs 3062.88 lbs. You could round said weight up to 3063, and then multiply that by  1 sp, or by .10, to get the price of a five ft three inch square of iron for a wall or something.
The Meta
GM, 88 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 16:20
  • msg #224

Re: OOC Yes

someones reading the boards, lol.
Aisent
player, 54 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 16:27
  • msg #225

Re: OOC Yes

Where did you get a ton and a half of iron, I'm pretty sure that's not laying around this town :)
Enoch
player, 13 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 16:30
  • msg #226

Re: OOC Yes

  1. determine weight of 5x5x3 in iron,
  2. Find price of iron in trade goods section
  3. find out that stainless steel is 10gp per pound
  4. multiply this to get price of a single square of stainless steel
  5. multiply this by 32 to match up with number of squares of airship
  6. continue to determine other costs of airship improvement


Stainless steel folks is protected against rust... even from a rust monster, or so the books say.
Enoch
player, 14 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 16:40
  • msg #227

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 225):



Town... I'm still in the creation phase.

DM, by boards if you mean message boards, most of them don't work with the screen-reader I use.  Now, I scanned in a book of weights and measures to get the weight of iron, partly because I was curious what an iron wall would be like on cost for all those dungens. Its also why steel reinforces something else, usually, and isn't used as something all by its self, save for the outer armor for vehicles...
Don't worry, all my stuff will be in tables with titles representing what it is.
The Meta
GM, 89 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 16:43
  • msg #228

Re: OOC Yes

ah, you did it the hard way. which is fine because someone has to.

This very observation has been presented in forum boards once or twice. I've seen it before, so when you presented it I felt maybe you came across it in some char creation research.
Enoch
player, 15 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 16:52
  • msg #229

Re: OOC Yes

Yeah, it would be nice, since there are probably lots of stuff there on how to build the "Ultimit  half-orc Alchemist" ever! I will admit UE helped a lot for figuring out what stuff I wanted to buy for the lab. Well that and the site you linked us to for the downtime overview.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 22 posts
"Words are like arrows"
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 20:59
  • msg #230

Re: OOC Yes

Did I miss something? What caused the random discussion about iron??
The Meta
GM, 92 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 21:09
  • msg #231

Re: OOC Yes

you didnt miss anything

I think Enoch was just excitedly presenting some bit of information they determined.

Enoch is new to the system, remember?

So they have been exploring it to familiarize themselves. I expect this was something they uncovered for one reason or another... they mentioned an airship, so perhaps they plan to make an air ship out of iron or stainless steal. And because they know how thick it will be, they know how much HP any given spot of metal plating will have. Meaning, they just effectively started a conversation on the beginnings of a fully customized airship... all the way down to actually dictating the hp, hardness, and material of their own airship.

Enoch, is this roughly where your mind is at?
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:08, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Enoch
player, 16 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 22:29
  • msg #232

Re: OOC Yes

It was just some information I thought I'd pass along.

I'm new to the system, and as someone that is blind, hence all the references to screen-readers, information isn't always easily come by and always enjoyed whenever obtained.  The reason I went checking is I'm upgrading my character's airship and knowing weights and values are useful.  Later when I start building structures, even considering the downtime system, and the kingdom building system, knowing approximate weights and then comparing them to individual weights is helpful.
Enoch
player, 17 posts
Mon 30 Mar 2020
at 22:33
  • msg #233

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 231):


Yes. Spot on.
The Meta
GM, 94 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 04:05
  • msg #234

Re: OOC Yes

Since kalven is initiating a physical challenge, Roll initiative. I am going to wait to give Aithne and Cornelius time to react.

*edit
Kalven, I see you rolled an initiative already in a previous post. feel free to reroll or use that.
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:08, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Kalven
player, 22 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 04:17
  • msg #235

Re: OOC Yes

I'm good with my initiative roll and strength/ grapple check.   If this guy shrugs me off I know something is up!  hahaha.   FULL RETREAT!!! ='D
This message was last edited by the player at 04:17, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 58 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 11:13
  • msg #236

Re: OOC Yes

07:12, Today: Aisent rolled 4 using 1d20+3.  Initiative.
The Meta
GM, 96 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 16:23
  • msg #237

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent, please roll a ride check to determine if dismounting is a move action or a free action.
quote:
Fast Mount or Dismount: You can attempt to mount or dismount from a mount of up to one size category larger than yourself as a free action, provided that you still have a move action available that round. If you fail the Ride check, mounting or dismounting is a move action. You can’t use fast mount or dismount on a mount more than one size category larger than yourself.

Table:
Ride Skill DC’s TaskRide DC
Guide with knees5
Fast mount or dismount20

Also roll 1d8 to determine where you land in the water, please.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:25, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Aisent
player, 60 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 16:36
  • msg #238

Re: OOC Yes



12:36, Today: Aisent rolled 10 using 1d20+6.  Ride Check.

12:36, Today: Aisent rolled 1 using 1d8.  Where'd I go.
The Meta
GM, 97 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 16:56
  • msg #239

Re: OOC Yes

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        146 ppppp
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        358 ppppp
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And you dont see the guy, you can try to guesstimate but lets see what kalven does first since he official goes before you and the dude.

if you had fast mounted, youd get a second movement action. Since you didnt you had to use a move action to dismount. You also elected to control your fall (the move action to dive) so that leaves you entering the water and then done with your turn. Which I think you expected anyways.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:49, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Enoch
player, 18 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 17:52
  • msg #240

OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 1):

Two questions while I'm thinking of them, yes this is kind of random:
  1. Would it be possible to give silk armor damage reduction against arrows in keeping with the fact that it was the main reason why such armor was worn?
  2. Does lead-lined block scrying as it did in 3.5?


Obviously, this second could be something not supposed to be known IC for various reasons, regardless, and will understand if you decide not to answer, etc.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:54, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 24 posts
"Words are like arrows"
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 17:59
  • msg #241

Re: OOC Yes

Enoch:
Would it be possible to give silk armor damage reduction against arrows in keeping


Quilted Cloth would give you what you want.
https://aonprd.com/EquipmentAr...Name=Quilted%20cloth

quote:
This enhanced form of padded armor has internal layers specifically designed to trap arrows, bolts, darts, shuriken, thrown daggers, and other small ranged piercing weapons. When these kinds of weapons strike you, they tend to become snagged in these layers and fail to harm you. Wearing quilted cloth armor gives you DR 3/— against attacks of this kind. The special layers of the armor have no effect on other kinds of weapons.

This message was last edited by the player at 18:00, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 98 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 18:11
  • msg #242

Re: OOC Yes

I present to you, armor stacking in all its splendor and glory. I spent over a week researching this design and so ive kept it in my own personal archives.


quote:
Armor:


(Mithral) https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equip...or/lamellar-cuirass/
(2 base ac, 6 max dex, 0 ACP, 0 ASPF)

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/armor/quilted-cloth
(+ DR 3 vs arrows, bolts, thrown daggers, and other small ranged piercing weapons)


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/armor/haramaki/
(+1 armor)

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equip...or/tunic-reinforced/
(+2 ac vs crits)

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/armor/armored-kilt
(+1 ac)

Final Armor: Light Armor (2 sets of this)
(4 AC (+2 vs crits), 6 max dex, 0ACP, 0ASPF
DR 3 vs arrows, bolts, thrown daggers, and other small ranged piercing weapons)


whether the haramaki works varies by gm. most yes but some say no, enough say yes that i've defaulted to having it in the design.

@ cornelius, do note, aithne is following you into the manor.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:17, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 25 posts
"Words are like arrows"
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 18:19
  • msg #243

Re: OOC Yes

The Haramaki adds nothing, as all the others give more than +1AC.

You would only really get +1AC from the Reinforced Tunic against a crit, as it gives it +2 AC for a total of 3, making it 1 better than you're Lamellar.

Light Lamellar is Leather, so couldn't be made of Mithril - https://aonprd.com/EquipmentAr...=Lamellar%20(leather)

Stell, which could be turned into Mithril, is Medium - https://aonprd.com/EquipmentAr...me=Lamellar%20(steel)

The kilt pushes it up to classing as medium armour, which could impact anyone penalised for wearing more than light armour.
The Meta
GM, 100 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 18:33
  • msg #244

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Cornelius Abernatch IV (msg # 243):

Like I said, thats a matter of gm perspective. most gm's ive seen say something on it have allowed it to give the +1 in the same way the armored skirt does. The primary logic behind this is that the hamaraki has no dex mod limitation, much like how a shield doesnt. It's a strange piece of armor for sures though and not something we should debate here.

On paizo, for 'lamellar-cuirass':
quote:
Lamellar is a type of armor in which small plates of various types of materials are strung together in parallel rows using fine cord. Lamellar plates can be constructed from lacquered leather, horn, or even stone, though suits of iron and steel are the most common. Lamellar armor can be crafted into various shapes, including partial pieces such as breastplates, greaves, or even entire coats. The properties of specific suits and pieces of lamellar armor are determined by their material.

This armor consists of a light breastplate and shoulder guards made from lacquered leather plates bound together and fitted over a silk shirt..


You would be right about the armored skirt, but because Lamellar cuirass qualifies for mithral the armored skirt's armor tier increase is negated by mithrals armor tier decrease.

Im not sure what you mean by that 2 and 3 numbers.

the Lamellar has 2 ac. this is increased to 3 by armored skirt and possibly increased to 4 by haramaki (gm dependent). the +2 vs crits means in the event of a crit threat, the ac then counts as 6. if you mean that the ac stack vs crits counts as actual ac, and thus makes the reinforced count as 3 and thusly counts as 1 higher than the lamellar... that depends on the wording. However, I actually think you may be right on this one as it explicitly says it increases the armor bonus in the event of. And so it is indeed only a +1 vs crits since that puts it 1 above lamellar... and this carries over with the armored skirt bonus. so in the event of a crit threat, its actually increased to 5, not 6. I will make sure to adjust my archive for this, thank you.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:42, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 26 posts
"Words are like arrows"
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 18:57
  • msg #245

Re: OOC Yes

If you're allowing Hamaraki to stack, with no penalty, I would be explicitly with that, as you are allowing EVERY character to get +1AC for 3GP, with literally no downside.
As RAW, it doesn't stack, and is only good for spellcasters who want to enchant it as a cheaper alternative to Bracers of Armour.

For your Lamellar Cuiraass - https://aonprd.com/EquipmentAr...e=Lamellar%20cuirass
quote:
This armor consists of a light breastplate and shoulder guards made from lacquered leather plates bound together and fitted over a silk shirt.


Also - https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2...be-made-with-Mithral

Why not have Mithril Chain Shirt, for AC+4 Dex+6 ACP-0?

Personally, I get all my mechanics from Archives of Nethys, as even Paizo now backs them, and allows correct names unlike d20pfsrd.
Enoch
player, 19 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 19:33
  • msg #246

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 244):



In my printing of the core rule book, it says that only the armor with the highest AC counts, and benefits from multiple armor do not stack.

That makes absolutely no sense to me, but that is what it says.

Was this... hopefully altered at some point?

And I didn't realize in Pathfinder  treated Quilted cloth better than silk... interesting... oh well, ... the sling is a clear example of realism being tossed out the window too.

In the words of Yoda,  got to unlearn what I have learned.
Aisent
player, 61 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 19:46
  • msg #247

Re: OOC Yes

It was not changed.

By RAW....

Only circumstances bonuses from different sources stack..
And dodge bonuses stack...

No other bonus type stacks with itself....

Some people confuse armor and shield, and call both armor bonuses, but technically a shield is a shield bonus not an armor bonus.
Aithne
player, 49 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 19:54
  • msg #248

Re: OOC Yes

Enoch:
And I didn't realize in Pathfinder  treated Quilted cloth better than silk... interesting... oh well, ... the sling is a clear example of realism being tossed out the window too.


There's a lot that's unrealistic, don't forget about the heavy crossbow.  Various editions of D&D have switched back and forth between a round measured in seconds and one measured in a minute.  Ultimately, you'll satisfy neither group.  While swinging a club only takes a second, reloading a heavy crossbow requires a winch and crank arrangement (and a lot of time).

About the closest that I've ever seen to a satisfactory balance goes back to the movie Hawk the Slayer, which was done back in the 1980s.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:55, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
The Meta
GM, 101 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 19:58
  • msg #249

Re: OOC Yes

Personally, yes my preference is to allow haramaki. That preference is based on the inferences presented by many other GM's, if you guys as a whole express issue with it then I will take it as a majority vote not to use it. The reason I do not want it debated here is it's clearly a issue of R.A.I. with r.a.w. presenting a mildly confusing item. It's wildly regarded as a unique beasty. We don't need to get into all that.


I think there is an English interpretation of the lamellar, I see what you are saying, but it still looks like a light breastplate and leather shoulder gaurds. The wording could suggest both are made from leather based on the syntax though.

A breastplate, coupled with that it says lamellars are commonly made of metals but uncommonly uses stone or leather (yes, I see how it says leather plates, a weird thing to say) says to me it uses metal.

Once more, I feel a preference to say yes to this.

That archive I have was something I presented to other GM's and they approved.
I feel this justifies my perspective on it.


As for armor stacking. Yes, that's changed. Nevermind armor piecemeal mechanics you can find stacking armor rules with how magic armor/items stack.
Aithne
player, 50 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 20:07
  • msg #250

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 249):

If there's something you don't like, you can always change it.   Just warn us when you make house rules.  :)
Enoch
player, 20 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 20:11
  • msg #251

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 249):



My opinion is this, its your game, and if you want to  having stacking armor, that'f fine by me, to a certain reason of course, I'm just trying to make sure I have the rules right, mostly.
The Meta
GM, 102 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 20:38
  • msg #252

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 250):

Please remember, I make a point not to be arbitrary. I've said it multiple times, I dont just make things up on the fly and most everything I say is either due to researched understanding or straight from the rules. Where there is a divide in understanding, I try to keep with RAW but otherwise will go with the majority 'opinion' on RAI.

That said. I just started class but I will get back to this after and show where and how armor stacks with quotes. I encourage you guys to look over piecemail armor rules.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:39, Tue 31 Mar 2020.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 28 posts
"Words are like arrows"
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 21:04
  • msg #253

Re: OOC Yes

https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?...nal%20Rule%20Systems Piecemeal Armour rules, for those interested.
The Meta
GM, 103 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 21:24
  • msg #254

Re: OOC Yes

As a note, I also love Nethys. great resource, I remember when he first started making his site.

A lot of the kingmaker stuff I've been reading recently is off Nethy's rather than paizo.

I use paizo more though because of it's forum space.

Thank you for posting the link.
The Meta
GM, 104 posts
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 23:03
  • msg #255

Re: OOC Yes




see here:
https://rpg.stackexchange.com/...efit-from-two-armors

that, of course, is not an official source but it shows how stacking can work and the sort of stacking I have in mind when I say yes you can stack and yes things have changed.

It is absolutely correct that AC, or armor bonus to ac, does not stack. you get the highest of all contributors and that's that. However, Things like Quilted cloths DR is not an armor bonus.

Note how they say about where the normal ac is bypassed that the force armors armor bonus works. this shows a different reason for amror stacking then just for more ac, you can stack for 'back up' armor already on you.

In piecemeal armor, Linked by Cornelius and the paizo link is below.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamem...les/piecemeal-armor/

There are mechanics for how different layers of armor will change your armor into a heavier tier when it has like layering as heavier armors. This can also be used in the reverse. Changing the way AC stacking works, you actually have a way to wear mithral plate over a chain shirt and its half plate body armor. Like buying pieces of a suit rather than the whole suit. They are effectively stacking but mechanically counting as a higher armor. Then, say something is sundered, you lose that piece but otherwise only downgrade the armor mechanics. This also works with magic armor, you no longer need to toss or sell that mithral chain shirt youve ran with for 10 levels.... just because you are ready for some full plate. You can piece it with other armor to keep the magic and have the new armor bonus.

That example I showed, was pushing it in regards to light armor, its weight is some 20 lbs and its quite a few layers. It would probably actually count as a type of medium armor.

People have also dissected the act of putting a +1 haramaki with + effects in with a +5 platemail... and presented you get the +5 platemail and the effects from the haramaki. I'm trying to find that forum thread, when I find it I will post it.

The piecemeal mechanic creates segement zones of armor, you can actually have just a sleave be enchanted, or one enchantment on one sleave and a different enchantment on another sleave, while the rest of your armor is mundane.
(these rules also account for partially wearing armor, cool stuff).
(also, as a note, in there is the Lemallar cuirass and the wording is shifted enough to clarify RAI. I just saw it.

*Lamellar Cuirass: This cuirass is made of lacquered leather plates bound together and fitted over a silk shirt. It is sometimes worn alone, especially during ceremonial occasions when wearing other armor is frowned upon.

Demonstrating you are right, in large, on this cornelius. two out of three so far. Unfortunate, seems me and several others were wrong about it and I will have to find another decent base.)


My class is winding down now so I will be posting in the IC thread soon.
Aithne
player, 51 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 31 Mar 2020
at 23:14
  • msg #256

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 252):

It was not my intention to say or imply that any changes made are/were arbitrary.
Aisent
player, 62 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 00:58
  • msg #257

Re: OOC Yes

Okay so we are using optional rules from rulebook that's fine, we all know now :), it wouldn't have affected my build :).
Shan
Player, 1 post
Supposedly Human Monk
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 06:25
  • msg #258

Re: OOC Yes

Anyone need a bodyguard or mercenary?

Humble fist for hire here.
Cornelius Abernatch IV
player, 29 posts
"Words are like arrows"
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 07:12
  • msg #259

Re: OOC Yes

Shan:
Anyone need a bodyguard or mercenary?

Humble fist for hire here.


Potentially, but I need to arrange a revenue stream first.
The Meta
GM, 106 posts
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 11:11
  • msg #260

Re: OOC Yes

I apologize for not getting to your dailies, Aithne and Aisent, you guys can post more though while waiting.
also, aithne, what alchemy are you doing?
Aisent
player, 63 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 11:15
  • msg #261

Re: OOC Yes

It's okay I can't post my 3rd day Dailies until I know what the plan is from Kalven.

Aisent might not of thought this jumping in the water through :), but then again she does suffer from that low stat.....common sense is not so common :)
Aithne
player, 52 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 16:02
  • msg #262

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 260):

Let's see....making Sunrods.
Enoch
player, 21 posts
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 18:43
  • msg #263

Re: OOC Yes

This is totally a useless and unimportant  fact, but the fact that cloth  is sold in square feet in this game always makes me snicker, considering that no one does that in the real world ever, and it would result in a lot of wasted material.

Useless fact.
The Meta
GM, 107 posts
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 19:33
  • msg #264

Re: OOC Yes

that is snicker worthy, lol.
Enoch
player, 22 posts
Wed 1 Apr 2020
at 23:09
  • msg #265

Re: OOC Yes

The rules for siege  weapons state that I can armor a siege weapon.

I have been running with this assumption for vehicles as well, which could be incredibly dangerous.  So, DM yay, or nay on this?

Also, if anyone wants to know what the total lifting capacity for an airship is, I know someone else is purchasing one, let me know, since its more than 30 tons, whether you use hydrogen or not, what kind does matter though.
The Meta
GM, 108 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 01:03
  • msg #266

Re: OOC Yes

if you see paizo rules that say you can do it, the default is you can do it.

If you mean, 'can I use the siege weapons armor rules for vessels?' I will have to go read them to see if they are translateable. I am pretty sure there is a modification in the vessel rules that represents armor for vessels, theres also that you can always use the custom material per 5'x5' square thingamajig to add metal plating on vehicles as armor... limited by its maximum weight of course.

There are several ways to handle it, for sure.

Do you want me to look at the siege weapons armor rules?
Enoch
player, 23 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 14:45
  • msg #267

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 266):


While the vessel rules are interesting, their armored sails are a bit too hyper-specific for what I am after. The siege weapon modification is more streamlined as well, and allows for greater range of possibilities for construction, but would possibly grant vehicles greater AC, since the driver's statistics help to determine AC for the vehicle.

Given all this, the completely from scratch approach, or unit by square would allow me to do what I want, while being a bit more expensive, without complicating things over much.     I'll post links to the ship c rules and siege rules later.
The Meta
GM, 112 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 16:38
  • msg #268

Re: OOC Yes

thank you, perhaps post them to the player share space thread
Aithne
player, 54 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 20:05
  • msg #269

Re: OOC Yes

Is it all right if we buy crafting materials in bulk, say enough to create a dozen at a time, instead of just one at a time?
The Meta
GM, 113 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 20:21
  • msg #270

Re: OOC Yes

Sure, why not, there are rules though for how much you can buy of something in settlements of certain sizes.

the current population of port town is 50 but it has a fluffed up population at 200 due to all people coming in using it as a hub. (100 from both kalven and cornelius, so that will drop if either of them leave).
Aithne
player, 55 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 20:31
  • msg #271

Re: OOC Yes

Okay, then I'll start with enough materials to make a dozen sunrods.  You can never have enough sunrods.  AIthne can hit a DC of 25, if anyone needs anything made.
Enoch
player, 25 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 20:38
  • msg #272

Re: OOC Yes

I'm trying to get my head around objects and how some get an armor class, particularly walls, could someone help me with this? I can supply examples if needed, thanks.
The Meta
GM, 114 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 20:40
  • msg #273

Re: OOC Yes

792 silver (7 gold and 92 silver)1
*edit woops, wrong.

Move the decimal once to the left, 79.2 or 792 copper, 79 silver and 2 copper, or 7 gold, 9 silver, 2 copper. I'm pretty sure thats right this time.

Crafting costs is 1/3rd, sun rod is 2 gold so crafting is 20 silver multiplied by .33 for 6.6 (2 x .33 = .66)

alternative crafting rules probably has a better cost though but im still reading through it.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:26, Thu 02 Apr 2020.
Aisent
player, 66 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 22:39
  • msg #274

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 272):

People might try to break down a wall, thus they have hp for that reason in case someone uses a weapon against them. That's mostly why.
Aisent
player, 67 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 22:41
  • msg #275

Re: OOC Yes

I mean you could make the frame out of say mithral then plate it with thin sheets of adamantine.....would be pretty hardy and wouldn't way as much as normal....
Enoch
player, 26 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 23:23
  • msg #276

Re: OOC Yes

  1. I get break DC, how hard it is to break something with brute  strength.
  2. I get Hardness, how dense something is and how much damage it can ignore.
  3. I get hit points, which reflects how much damage an object can sustain after tracking for hardness.


What I don't get is how there's AC to for something like a wall.

Let me give you an example:
=Exhibit 1:
Many cities are surrounded by walls. A typical small city wall is a fortified stone wall 5 feet thick and 20 feet high. Such a wall is fairly smooth, requiring a DC 30 Climb check to scale. The walls are crenellated on one side to provide a low wall for the guards atop it, and there is just barely room for guards to walk along the top of the wall. A typical small city wall has AC 3, hardness 8, and 450 hp per 10-foot section.


Is the AC for difficulty of siege engines to hit said wall?
or
For the guards, if any that are partly covered on the top shooting at attackers?
The Meta
GM, 115 posts
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 23:31
  • msg #277

Re: OOC Yes

your hypothesis matches mine, even flat footed, surprised, unarmored, and otherwise completely unaware they are being attacked... a creature always has a base ac of 10... period... this is always there. Even incorporeal creatures have to beat ac 10.

I think, as you said, this accounts for the variable difficulty of just hitting something. Skilled fighters dont miss aside froll a roll of 1. At bab 9 (roll of 2 gets 11) you are guaranteed to hit that 10 no matter what other mods you do or dont have (though penalties can make you miss).

The guards should be benefitting from various covers, that should be their ac bonus.

*edit
This page reinforces the hypothesis, just a plane old wall has an ac.
https://www.aonprd.com/Rules.a...gory=Siege%20Engines

Which is similar to the rules you posted.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:34, Thu 02 Apr 2020.
Aisent
player, 68 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 2 Apr 2020
at 23:57
  • msg #278

Re: OOC Yes

The AC 3 might be to represent the difficulty in hitting the same spot repeatedly to collapse that 10 foot section.

I mean at 10' tall it's large and has an AC of 9 otherwise :), I suppose if you didn't care about hitting the same spot it might even be less if you were aiming to just hit a big wall.
The Meta
GM, 116 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 00:03
  • msg #279

Re: OOC Yes

good theory, as a note though it seems the larger the building the easier to hit it.
Enoch
player, 27 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 00:10
  • msg #280

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 278):



This was kind of what I was thinking, especially with siege warfare rules there is modifiers for line of sight versus   unable to see the target and so forth, but I wasn't sure.
Aithne
player, 56 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 02:22
  • msg #281

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 273):

It's easier to simply multiply the cost by four if you're buying materials by the dozen.   Which was a deciding factor....
The Meta
GM, 117 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 03:59
  • msg #282

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 281):

Please clarify.
Aithne
player, 57 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 04:27
  • msg #283

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 282):

Sure.

Cost of Creation = 1/3 sales price.
Crafting Materials for one dozen = 1/3 sales price x 12 ... i.e. 4 times sales price.
The Meta
GM, 118 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 04:44
  • msg #284

Re: OOC Yes

ah, I get it, because its just shy of 8 (79 silver) gold. I can round it to 8 if youd prefer that with your book keeping, we can attribute it to you tipping.
The Meta
GM, 119 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 04:50
  • msg #285

Re: OOC Yes

As a note, The week is almost over. You may submit weeklies for next week at this time but weeklies for this week is now over.

I am going to finish reviewing one more char, then finish the current npc I have in play, a particular ship Aisent went after sooner then I expected the players to look into (of mice and men, right?).

Then I am going to make a pc for myself.

I expect to take another week on this.

At such time, I am going to start posting my own dailies and weeklies.

What I am basically saying is, you guys have another week to get ahead of me. Arkrim is just waiting on me to approve his char and then you guys will have to contend with him as well.

Good luck ;)
Enoch
player, 28 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 05:27
  • msg #286

Re: OOC Yes

Meta could I get a time stamp?

Date/ time for when we are in-game.
The Meta
GM, 121 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 05:45
  • msg #287

Re: OOC Yes

If you joined now, I'd make a day 3 thread for you, theoretically its 'some day after the events after Aisent, kalven, aithne, and cornelius all interacted' by itd label it day 3. Time stamp would be 'x number of days after Aithne and Aisent arrived in town' with x being the actual physical days. Aithne's and Aisent's intro's basically marked the start of the game.

Aithne first posted on the 18th last month, so time stamp would put you at 16 days in if you finished your sheet and I approved you tomorrow. Please do not feel rushed though.

I dont have an actual in game date, I can probably get one though if you guys really really want/need one.
The Meta
GM, 122 posts
Fri 3 Apr 2020
at 06:19
  • msg #288

Re: OOC Yes

I looked anyways, river kingdoms stolen lands is finally conquered fully at 4714. Give it 5-10 years to stabalize and thats 4719-24.

I think 4724 is better, personally, and if no one prefers some other date in that range then we can just go with 24. If someone else has a preference then I will find it acceptable to use that date instead. If someone prefers a later date then up to 4750 would be acceptable.
Aisent
player, 71 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 4 Apr 2020
at 00:57
  • msg #289

Re: OOC Yes

Did we decide on a scale for the map?
The Meta
GM, 125 posts
Sat 4 Apr 2020
at 03:50
  • msg #290

Re: OOC Yes

you mean size of each hex? per the rules. I posted that here in ooc.
Aisent
player, 72 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 4 Apr 2020
at 09:39
  • msg #291

Re: OOC Yes

You posted that different people used different scales so I was wondering what you decided the scale was of your map :), or maybe I missed a post.
The Meta
GM, 126 posts
Sat 4 Apr 2020
at 18:56
  • msg #292

Re: OOC Yes

Theres two interpretations of the distance and travel rules, please scroll up to see the two. I prefer the one that counts edge to edge but RAI is its center of one hex to center of the other hex. The reason there are two is because center to center just doesnt add up to what the book says its supposed to be.

I'm not house ruling it, but I will accept either interpretation each player here uses. The two are mechanically exactly the same, and so neither choice will advantage or disadvantage anyone, the only difference is the nuances and verbiage.
The Meta
GM, 130 posts
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 03:28
  • msg #293

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent, I updated my reply to you in dailies.
Enoch
player, 29 posts
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 19:24
  • msg #294

Re: OOC Yes

If anyone happens to know of  rules for  applying angles to increase the strength of walls and possible materials for shock absorbers, I'd be much obliged. I know mathematically that water filled pipes and angled walls help to lesson impact of rounds against a structure, but don't know how to transfer this to Pathfinder.

Technically it is similar to the concept of a rampart, but not sure if rules for those would directly apply. Any thoughts?
The Meta
GM, 132 posts
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 19:30
  • msg #295

Re: OOC Yes

Unfortunately, DND doesnt get that into the math. You can probably find a material that can be used to give some DR.
I think there is already a kind of DR for structures, like half damage from piercing and slashing and immune to non lethal.

If you want DR vs cannon fire. DND is pretty adamant about not having resistances and DR's to massive weapons.

For the angles.
There are ship mods that represent reinforcing structures though.
Enoch
player, 30 posts
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 19:52
  • msg #296

Re: OOC Yes

Do you know where those ship modifications are. Its thereinforcements I'm after, more than the DR, just wanted to represent that, and at first DR seemed like the best way to reflect that.
Enoch
player, 31 posts
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 19:55
  • msg #297

Re: OOC Yes

I=idiot, I already have them.
Aisent
player, 76 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 20:02
  • msg #298

Re: OOC Yes

Where you going to post a day 3 thread?
The Meta
GM, 133 posts
Sun 5 Apr 2020
at 20:47
  • msg #299

Re: OOC Yes

yes, I thought I did yesterday. hangovers sucks.

I'll take core of it now.
Aithne
player, 61 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 02:01
  • msg #300

Re: OOC Yes

Just to be clear, should I keep posting Dailies on a daily basis or wait a bit for everyone else to catch up?
Aisent
player, 77 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 02:14
  • msg #301

Re: OOC Yes

I don't see the other thread is it visible to me?
The Meta
GM, 134 posts
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 03:10
  • msg #302

Re: OOC Yes

Aithne, keep going, get that experience, I am making a point to reply to things at least once a day so they get their chance at progress. I fumbled a little with the last one to aisent but that will be an exception and not a norm.

Aisent, its thread part 3 that use to be day 1. I will double check the thread group.

*edit

group settings fine.

so, ya, in case its confusing. day 1 has become part 3. I've stopped labeling them as days to avoid confusion of passage of time. Dont worry too much about passage of time though.

We are in intro and familiarization phase of any games, where you guys find your direction and flow. If I need to extend weeklies and monthlies to accommodate the pattern of flow then I will.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:13, Mon 06 Apr 2020.
Aithne
player, 63 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 05:08
  • msg #303

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 302):


Aisent
player, 79 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 12:22
  • msg #304

Re: OOC Yes

This is more confusing to me but okay :)
Enoch
player, 32 posts
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 17:20
  • msg #305

Re: OOC Yes

And once again I'm asking a question, because I thought of it and can't find the answer on my own. Is there a formula for determining building augmentations?

For instance if a Wizard wanted to cast a wall of force for a building, would you just handle that as fortification augmentation and call it a day, or would you use a different formula?

Someone will find some of these questions useful at some point... I hope.

This is also part of several half-baked ideas that will come into play later.
The Meta
GM, 136 posts
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 18:56
  • msg #306

Re: OOC Yes

the spell would normally work as normal, as a wall of force would in any other given situation.

permenancy and hollow/unhollow (I cant remember if pathfinder has hollow or unhollow) as well.

There are things like magically reinforced things in the mods list, and there is magical building material as well.

I cant recall any other things or ways to magically influence pre existing walls or such.
Arkrim
GM, 5 posts
Co-GM
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 19:51
Shan
Player, 2 posts
Supposedly Human Monk
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 22:04
  • msg #308

Re: OOC Yes

How does one accept a posted job in the mercenary thread? Can we respond there or can we only post jobs there?

And does anyone else want to collect goblin scalps?
The Meta
GM, 137 posts
Mon 6 Apr 2020
at 22:53
  • msg #309

Re: OOC Yes

RP'ing going to the indicated person works best. you can make a single rp post of your char checking out the job request but please dont do any sort of RP beyond one post reactions in the mercenary thread. RP'ing putting up jobs is fine too.

that thread should largely be for posting jobs though.
Shan
Player, 3 posts
Supposedly Human Monk
Tue 7 Apr 2020
at 03:34
  • msg #310

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 309):

Roger that.
The Meta
GM, 138 posts
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 06:35
  • msg #311

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent, please roll me a Knowledge religion, a search check, and any other checks you feel would be relevant for what you are trying. Also, in the future, what you put in the dailies would probably be more appropriate for the meta hash thread.

I am going to assume since you put it in the dailies, you are spending a 'day' or at least 8 hours doing this thing.

Aithne, I know cornelius hasnt posted in the past few days and you are backseating that scene.

Please post in the meta hash to let me know what you would like to accomplish in that thread and we can come to some terms. This way you can post in future threads whether you wait or not in the one with Cornelius.

Kalven, You are waiting on finaril if I read right?

Finaril, did you see my reply in the part 3 thread?

Conrelius hasn't logged on in a few days so they aren't waiting on me or anyone else.

I think thats everyone currently approved.

Enoch, how you doing?

Rano's, I havent heard anything from you since you joined... how are you doing?

Hiroshi, whats going on with you?

Danu hasnt logged on still since the 19th of last month, I will remove them by friday.
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:42, Wed 08 Apr 2020.
Aisent
player, 81 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 11:40
  • msg #312

Re: OOC Yes

Mostly I'm just spending the days gathering info waiting on Kelvar to be ready to leave.

07:40, Today: Aisent rolled 7 using 1d20+1.  Perception.

07:39, Today: Aisent rolled 18 using 1d20+5.  Knowledge (Religion).
Aithne
player, 66 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 14:27
  • msg #313

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
Aithne, I know cornelius hasnt posted in the past few days and you are backseating that scene.


I think I'm mostly interested in being an observer to that conversation, rather than having a specific objective.
Aisent
player, 82 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 15:21
  • msg #314

Re: OOC Yes

I don't think you have that many daylies :), I mean he told us he'd be leaving in 2 days :)
Hiroshi
player, 2 posts
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 16:27
  • msg #315

Re: OOC Yes

Waiting on an answer to my PMs.

The vassal samurai family concept kind of needs some buy-in if I'm going to make it work and I've gotten silence from you and Cornelius. So yeah I'm kind of stuck with a concept that was meant for an established kingdom now on a semi-deserted island, but what's frustrating is when I reach out to coordinate a story fix, which doesn't even need to be that complicated I've gotten silence from both of you.
The Meta
GM, 139 posts
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 18:05
  • msg #316

Re: OOC Yes

hiroshi, are you waiting for cornelius to reply or for me?
Aithne
player, 67 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 22:15
  • msg #317

Re: OOC Yes

I forgot to ask.   Are we using the lifestyle rules or did you have something else in mind for tracking day to day expenses?
The Meta
GM, 140 posts
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 22:26
  • msg #318

Re: OOC Yes

You should track daily expenses, if you need to eat you should track cost of eating (the books have tavern meals if you want an easy thing to track).

You can do this using lifestyle or getting into the real nit grit expenses.

-------------

It was mostly something I thought about in passing, but I guess it hasnt been important yet since we are all onboarding right now.

-------------

but, later, I will absolutely be looking at such expenses, especially while people are traveling or doing such adventuring things.

the lifestyle rules would probably make all of this easier, since its a summed up and general cost.
Aithne
player, 68 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 23:17
  • msg #319

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 318):

I will copy/paste the set of lifestyle rules I found.  I'm guessing that the 10gp/month is viable?


quote:
Cost of Living
An adventurer's primary source of income is treasure, and his primary purchases are tools and items he needs to continue adventuring—spell components, weapons, magic items, potions, and the like. Yet what about things like food? Rent? Taxes? Bribes? Idle purchases?  You can certainly handle these minor expenditures in detail during play, but tracking every time a PC pays for a room, buys water, or pays a gate tax can swiftly become obnoxious and tiresome. If you're not really into tracking these minor costs of living, you can choose to simply ignore these small payments. A more realistic and easier-to-use method is to have PCs pay a recurring cost of living tax. At the start of every game month, a PC must pay an amount of gold equal to the lifestyle bracket he wishes to live in—if he can't afford his desired bracket, he drops down to the first one he can afford.

Destitute (0 gp/month): The PC is homeless and lives in the wilderness or on the streets. A destitute character must track every purchase, and may need to resort to Survival checks or theft to feed himself.

Poor (3 gp/month): The PC lives in common rooms of taverns, with his parents, or in some other communal situation—this is the lifestyle of most untrained laborers and commoners. He need not track purchases of meals or taxes that cost 1 sp or less.

Average (10 gp/month): The PC lives in his own apartment, small house, or similar location—this is the lifestyle of most trained or skilled experts or warriors. He can secure any nonmagical item worth 1 gp or less from his home in 1d10 minutes, and need not track purchases of common meals or taxes that cost 1 gp or less.

Wealthy (100 gp/month): The PC has a sizable home or a nice suite of rooms in a fine inn. He can secure any nonmagical item worth 5 gp or less from his belongings in his home in 1d10 minutes, and need only track purchases of meals or taxes in excess of 10 gp.  Extravagant (1,000 gp/month): The PC lives in a mansion, castle, or other extravagant home—he might even own the building in question. This is the lifestyle of most aristocrats. He can secure any nonmagical item worth 25 gp or less from his belongings in his home in 1d10 minutes. He need only track purchases of meals or taxes in excess of 100 gp.

The Meta
GM, 141 posts
Wed 8 Apr 2020
at 23:53
  • msg #320

Re: OOC Yes

Those descriptions are kind of crap. One could easily be a ranger in the woods, hunting, and use the 'destitute' lifestyle.

Also, I'm going to move your post to the player share space in a little.
Hiroshi
player, 3 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 00:59
  • msg #321

Re: OOC Yes

At this point either.

Kind of feeling frustrated and unsupported here. The island thing was an eleventh hour surprise that doesn't fit neatly with what I thought was the agreed upon backstory. Trying to work out a solution without support is just reinforcing in my mind how much things don't make sense with the information given.
Kalven
player, 32 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 02:30
  • msg #322

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
Kalven, You are waiting on finaril if I read right?



Yes, and no...
The Meta
GM, 142 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 02:36
  • msg #323

Re: OOC Yes

Kalven


Hiroshi

It's only a surprise because you didnt follow the zero session conversations.

more to follow in private text.
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:37, Thu 09 Apr 2020.
The Meta
GM, 144 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 05:25
  • msg #324

Re: OOC Yes

As a note, to everyone here, there are already plots in play (Aisent, bless your soul, little hound dog going after every scrap of information available. I love it! I am almost tempted to give you 200 xp for all your work and effort looking into actual information and knowledge, as a reward.)
There is a protagonist (potentially a mid boss or a decent bbg) being built right now, and I am just finishing the neutral npc that can either be a mid boss or an ally to anyone (say aisent befriends them, aithne could still come in and decide they just need to die). Both should scale with you guys.

There are also already a few pursuable nearby enemy groups, most are going to be easy for you guys.

The game world already has actual dungeons and monster lairs, hexmaps generated them when I made the map.

And, just. ya. there is a whole map of stuff ready for you all... and a whole town of stuff (again, Aisent, bless <3)

Just wanted to remind and update you guys.

Also, something that was brought up. I am sure those in play have already noticed but you get the information you uncover and only you get it. If you share it with others, thats up to you but where one person finds out about a bandit camp... you may only know about that bard you stopped and talked to. That information whent to you and only you, the bandit camp info only when to the one player that found out.

This also shows that there IS information available and in play, I admit I've had to generate some on the fly because I over looked it (Again, Aisent, I had to look up the most common religions and a few minor ones... filtered for what would make sense in a frontier space (like adventuring and sailing dieties) and then put those in as the local dieties. Though, I did have a few religions already pre determined since the shrine is there...) but most of it is already there and in play.

I meant it when I said this is a multi tier game. It will move and play out the way you guys approach it, largely. Arkrim will help with adventuring and I am as my game name implies... I am the meta. Though, Arkrim doesnt like kingdom stuff so I will probably be helping him by running the npc kingdom things. Although, thats also kinda meta stuff, the cities and such...
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:46, Thu 09 Apr 2020.
Enoch
player, 33 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 06:26
  • msg #325

Re: OOC Yes

Given what you said previously in OOC regarding information, it is my working theory that much will be going on, which we might not be aware of, and perhaps never be aware of, but that doesn't mean that things aren't going on.
Ranos
player, 7 posts
Elan Psion
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 06:47
  • msg #326

Re: OOC Yes

Hello, sorry for my absence.

work been  quite hectic the last few weeks and having to work from home.
so i been rather busy.
The Meta
GM, 145 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 07:44
  • msg #327

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 325):

<3

I'm glad you understand.

Though, I would like to present theres probably only going to be one big crisis at a time... so to speak. I also never intend to throw particularly time urgent things at you guys. I'm not one of those plot fall gm's that if you dont go after a plot then I force you after it. I hate that sort of thing and would never do it to someone else.
And, also, because you guys may miss things... I am going to be mindful not to make most things painful to miss (at least not permanently painful, at the very least).

If there is something that comes up that has the potential to be particularly painful will probably be presented very clearly in the rumors for at least a month. Even then, not for at least 5 levels.

How are you doing, btw, Enoch.

It's ok Ranos. Thank you for checking in.

*edit
actually, looks like Arkrim may have finished the protagonist... they are pretty scary actually. I may be a bit rude and add just a smidgen more umf to it but between it and a few of the other chars me and Arkrim will have floating about. I think you guys have plenty to work with or against as you desire.
This message was last edited by the GM at 08:00, Thu 09 Apr 2020.
Enoch
player, 34 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 16:01
  • msg #328

Re: OOC Yes

How is it coming Meta?

Slowly.  Partly do to work and all, but possibly by next weekend I'll have my shopping list done. So by next week, more than likely, at some point you'll have it.
Aithne
player, 69 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 16:51
  • msg #329

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 324):

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what I'm going to do long term, but given her military/noble background; it should probably lean that direction.    I'll probably take a week and make a profession check (which basically shows off her gunslinger skills), then poke around town to see what turns up.

Which leads me to request clarification: do we post profession checks in the weekly thread using the same format as the dailies?
This message was last edited by the player at 16:52, Thu 09 Apr 2020.
Hiroshi
player, 4 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 17:13
  • msg #330

Re: OOC Yes

The details in the PMs the surprising bits were NOT in the zero session discussion. You are incorrect on my not reading, the Vassal concept is flexible as to new vs old land. For instance if anyone follows Outlander, Jamie has a large number of vassal tenants in North Carolina colony. And it was the norm in feudal Europe as well as feudal Asia. Africa and the Middle East's climate encouraged more dynamic social systems, though such relationships existed even there, such as the mother of Dahome. I've been careful trying not to reveal anything Cornelius didn't want revealed because obviously the humble chef, is not JUST a humble chef. But yea Vassal to not posting or responding to questions guy is rapidly becoming a non-starter. I am exhausted from real-life being endless work right now. I'm a full-time defense engineer and full-time home maker. I don't have time for this to be hard.
Aisent
player, 84 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 17:46
  • msg #331

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 329):

I thought Aithne was coming with Kalven when we left in 2 days?
Aisent
player, 85 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 17:48
  • msg #332

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Hiroshi (msg # 330):

Corenelius hasn't logged in since April 4th, it is possible with the coronavirus that they have had major life disruptions and can't get on :(
The Meta
GM, 146 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 18:24
  • msg #333

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 329):

Largely, yes. Downtimes in the rule supplement are usually more fluid.

The downtime phases are the same as the kingdom turns phases.

hiroshi, it sounds to me like you are tacking on external frustrations in with your frustrations with this game. I dont appreciate that, you arent the only one stressed, tired, and going through some shit.
Please take a moment to re evaluate how you are acting towards me.

as for your private text questions:
I will answer them publically in case anyone else has these questions.

How did we find out about the island?

It was not determined during zero session, but a large land mass appeared in the ocean. maybe the land shoots up out of the water, a volcano or three errupted (I have vulcano's on the islands, actually), maybe someone went and used high level magic to make islands. Maybe atlantis finally has been freed from its magical prison and now has emerged once again.
I made the islands to most closely reflect volcanic origins but there are absolutely  pre existing things on it that suggest otherwise. Keeping it a little loose for play.


How well known is the island?


I assume you mean explored, they arent. if you mean how many people know of the island, most everyone. Word has spread pretty quickly about the new lands.

I said this during zero session and I think I said it in the message I sent yesterday. I have a second map with features, bandits, pirates, dungeons, lairs, it even has whirlpools, shipwrecks (I used a populated ship and a populated ship wreck to make a pirate threat plot), magical plants, bad and good magic zones, and more.

You will not get to see the second map, it's there so that even though you are kind of hex crawl exploring... I'm not arbitrarily putting things as you explore. You are literally uncovering a pre existing map.

Who discovered it?

Good question, this was also not determined in zero session and thus kept vague. 'different ships across the ocean who got suprised by an emerging island' would be just as good as 'explorers wondering what the duce that shake and explosion was'

Bottom line, it was discovered and now theres a rush to colonize/claim it.

When?

Recently

Have the established national powers expressed an opinion on the island?

The current ruler players, including Cornelius, ARE members of established powers with expressed opinions of the islands. ask them.

Have the established national powers expressed an opinion on people claiming land on the island?

The current ruler players, including Cornelius, ARE members of established powers coming in to claim land.

What is well known about the island that a month of planning would reveal?

Planning is not always the same as mapping.

What is well known about the walled city?

IC: it's a hasty made port town. Literally, the walls are still little more than palisades (stripped tree truncks, sharpened, and then lined up on the ground) its not the best protection against climbers and such but it keeps beasties out better than a fence)

Who runs it?

you have not discovered this yet


When was it built?


Very recently

How was it built?

Hastily, you have not discovered more details on this.

Why wasn't more built?

they aren't finished, I presented this in zero session.


What does it need? (It's a colony town the answer is always more people)


You havent discovered this, though the adventurers/mercenaries wanted ad suggests they need people to patrol and explore the area around the city.

What does it offer?

I think this is too subjective for me to answer.

Does the walled city swear allegiance to any national power?

You havent discovered that, most sailors dont even know and this would strongly suggest it is a neutral town not affiliated with any national power.

Which national powers are hostile towards the city?

You havent discovered enough for me to answer this.
No one has attacked it, yet.

Roughly how many people live in the city?

It's a quickly growing port town, everyone opted to enter at it... they had the choice to enter the game elsewhere. this was covered in zero session.

Currently, there is at least 50 temporary residents from each ruler. Some Rulers want to establish a building in town. This will probably require 5 of their citizens to become permenant residents but it really depends on what they build or if they even do it. it's safe to say there are at least 50 permanent residents (all rules with 150 bp come in with 50 colonists, and I said i'd make npc's using the same creation rules as the player chars) and some sailers may also be taking a little shore leave as temporary residents.

How long have those people been there?

Not very long.

in the description of the town, which I am going to update next week, most the homes are hasty pop up homes. Think slummy scrap city homes but more wood and mud based so they blend in with the tavern and market... the only thing that really stands out is the nicely made manor.

How do the villagers get fresh water?

You havent discovered this yet.

Who/what are they so afraid of they spent days of hard labor building walls?

wild animals? Otherwise, you havent discovered this yet. The previously mentioned work posting suggests other concerns though.

Did this not come up in the planning the voyage phase?


Ask Cornelius, did he plan for a wall? otherwise, you havent discovered this yet.

As for the rest, you threw a large wall of assumptions and frustrations at me. I am going to wait on reading what you wrote... only even giving it the energy because psychologically I get how compoundingly frustrating it can be to feel like someone isn't listening to you.

I am going to say though, you need to reconsider how you are approaching me right now.
for now, I will read and reply to what you said as best I can to avoid spoilers at a later time.
The Meta
GM, 147 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 18:25
  • msg #334

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 332):

I agree, Aisent, it is possible. That's why I offered to help Aithne get around that scene. I don't want to just pull it in case he comes back, if I can take care of Aithnes needs and get them moving outside of that scene then we can probably leave it waiting.

However, it's up to Aithne.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:26, Thu 09 Apr 2020.
Aithne
player, 70 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 20:37
  • msg #335

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 334):

Aithne is perfectly find with glossing it over.  I don't recall that she ever actually came to an agreement with Kalven, though.
The Meta
GM, 153 posts
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 21:10
  • msg #336

Re: OOC Yes

You showed some interest in talking to the ruler about work as an artist.

we can sum up some terms, or we can run a new scene.

Or just move on entirely. Up to you.
Aithne
player, 71 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 22:15
  • msg #337

Re: OOC Yes

I'm not remembering any of this....I need to sit down and re-read everything before formatting further responses.
Aisent
player, 90 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 9 Apr 2020
at 23:07
  • msg #338

Re: OOC Yes

My assumption might be incorrect. You were talking with Kalven it seems before we were interrupted chasing the one guy that got away. I'm not sure the two of you resumed talks after that.
Aithne
player, 73 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 03:53
  • msg #339

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
As a note, to everyone here, there are already plots in play (Aisent, bless your soul, little hound dog going after every scrap of information available. I love it! I am almost tempted to give you 200 xp for all your work and effort looking into actual information and knowledge, as a reward.)


I think you should.  ^_^

I've posted a profession check in the weekly thread.   Hopefully, I'll have everything figured out before that time runs out.
The Meta
GM, 155 posts
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 05:02
  • msg #340

Re: OOC Yes

Aithne, as a note. The post you IC expressed interest in talking to the new port town ruler was in msg 6 of the day 2 thread. You asked tavern keep about where/how to set up an alchemist shop in town.

I think you were actually on the way when the pier scene happened and then you followed cornelius in to the manor to meet the ruler of new port town.
The Meta
GM, 156 posts
Fri 10 Apr 2020
at 05:20
  • msg #341

Re: OOC Yes

Also, Aithne, please include how much money you had, and then how much you have left, in your upkeep section. You can put it in private text if you dont want others to see it.
Aithne
player, 75 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 04:01
  • msg #342

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 340):

She definitely got side tracked, so probably never got around to following through.  Maybe a subject to explore at a later time.
Aisent
player, 94 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 10:32
  • msg #343

Re: OOC Yes

I'm a bit confused and you didn't respond to me in The Meta thread do I need to repost that into the new thread?
The Meta
GM, 162 posts
Sat 11 Apr 2020
at 15:28
  • msg #344

Re: OOC Yes

no, your post is fine in the meta thread, aisent.

Sorry if the new thread is confusing, I will work on its intro post.

the new thread is for those traveling outside of towns, and such other outside of town stuffs.

Like, when the rulers are claiming a hex; they will be handling fights or events in that thread. If they encounter something while traveling then they will handle it in that thread. if someone leaves town to go to another then they will rp in that thread.

its the in-between thread.
The Meta
GM, 164 posts
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 02:44
  • msg #345

Re: OOC Yes

I'm drinking at a bbq, dont expect to get drunk but no promises.

I plan to post for you all later tonight but I may get one in within the next 30 minutes.
Aithne
player, 76 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 04:22
  • msg #346

Re: OOC Yes

I have decided that, for the time being, Aithne is going to refuse any job offers by any of the rulers at this time.   She will, however, be amenable to future employment outside of the starter town.
The Meta
GM, 166 posts
Sun 12 Apr 2020
at 04:46
  • msg #347

Re: OOC Yes

very well, probably wise anyways.
Finaril
player, 30 posts
Elven Wizard
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 07:32
  • msg #348

Re: OOC Yes

So if we want to start exploration which thread to use, the new one or woukd that be a weekly action?
The Meta
GM, 168 posts
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 07:49
  • msg #349

Re: OOC Yes

You would post in the weeklies if you want to explore alongside npc's. If you are just exploring alone then you can explore day by day. if you want to explore per the kingdom rules you would use your private ruler thread to declare exploring.

the new thread is if you want to post about exploring, writing little blerps, maybe some campfire interactions. its also for if an event roll lands you with an encounter. Arkrim will handle those encounters and events unless he needs me to help him or to handle it.
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:55, Mon 13 Apr 2020.
Ranos
player, 8 posts
Elan Psion
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 13:32
  • msg #350

Re: OOC Yes

I think i pretty much have set up the equipment that i wanted...so how would I start ?
I'm kinda confused how i should start here now.
The Meta
GM, 169 posts
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 14:13
  • msg #351

Re: OOC Yes

you dont have a blooded or non blooded stat. I'd recommend you re read the intro thread to see what those are about and then roll for the one you want.

I will look over the rest of your sheet.
The Meta
GM, 170 posts
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 22:04
  • msg #352

Re: OOC Yes

I just read through a rather infuriating and nonsensical discussion about justifications for what is or why something is evil or not.

rather than look at the word, the explanation, most people simply quoted the mechanics... all the while rampantly declaring their opposing side was blindly focusing on the mechanics aspect.

it was so infuriating that I am going to propose a house rule on it for here.

Proposal:
the notion that anything is inherently evil is stricken. screw that noise. We will look at the actual foundation of things to determine if they are evil or not. feel free to have IC subjective opinions on it as well. Necromancy and such like that will still give off a 'evil aura' for those paladins and other detectors.

What this would change is if a spell says it attatching a spirit, or controls something through energy, in order to "make an 'undead'". it's not actually alignment shifting, god defying, evil.
Again, though, it will still detect as evil for paladins and such.

A more specific example are wendo spirits, the original release presented them as neutral but the reprint changed them to evil as a whole race. thats like calling all african religions and all witch doctors evil... no... not only is that racist but it goes against the cardinal principle that there are exceptions. As such, channeling a wendo spirit into a dead body, as a means to animate the body, is not evil... nor is that undead evil. It will retain its original alignment from life just like how the original release for wendo spirits said.

Fleshgrafting is not evil and the fleshwarping feat does not require you to be evil. If you torture things to fleshwarp them... you are acting in an evil way and very likely will have your alignment changed but learning flesh warping for the sake of learning flesh graft to... say... learn how to replace willing (or even desiring) peoples lost limbs (or augment the willing people) is not evil.

to me, fleshgrafting looks, in almost every way, just like necrografting or adding golem limbs (and the half constuct template) to a creature.

I dont want people starting with any grafts.

Please dont argue your opinion on it, just present a yay or a nay. I will let this vote sit until at least 7 players vote on it. if it gets accepted, I will simply add it to the house rules as:
("evil as a requirement is lifted, what is and is not evil will be determined if it comes into question")
Aithne
player, 77 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 22:17
  • msg #353

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 352):

No.
Ranos
player, 9 posts
Elan Psion
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 22:23
  • msg #354

Re: OOC Yes

Yay
Aithne
player, 78 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Mon 13 Apr 2020
at 23:54
  • msg #355

Re: OOC Yes

I'd like to have this clarified: Are you talking about either removing Alignments or changing the way they work?   Because my answer is still the same either way.
Arkrim
GM, 6 posts
Co-GM
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 00:00
  • msg #356

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 352):

Yay.
The Meta
GM, 171 posts
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 00:28
  • msg #357

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 355):

neither, alignments would still work much the same way and, as presented in the wall of text, detect alignment stuff would work much the same too.

the only change is the objective rigidity of them from a mechanical stand point.

An intelligent undead, for instance, would still detect as evil for all those lawful good paladins. Just, you wouldnt have to actually be evil to be undead.

the justification for this could be you detect as undead because you are animated by negative and necrotic energies. You can make the conscious choice to go save babies and rescue cats... but you still detect as evil.

the whole 'undead are evil' subjective opinions could also remain/persist just as well.

the only difference would be is undead would not actually need to be evil.

I explained two other examples in the above statement using wendo's and fleshgrafting.

Take a less 'evil' example like goblins a kobolds.
lik 99 percent of the time they are deemed evil little shits, right? vicious, cruel, little monsters. Well, you go right on ahead with your goblin slayer vandetta... don that iron helmet and that short sword talking about how you are going to kill every damn dirty goblin in existence. Find yourself a healer, a dwarf, an elf, and a lizard shaman even.
(eh? eh? XD ;p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DF9NNWG_fs )
just, the actuality of it will be that they arent all evil little bastards (this is how it already is, but its a good example).

and if a feat requires you to be evil, but you can reasonably do it for good, then to hell with that evil prerequisite. take the feat... go do good with it as a good guy with good intent even though its supposedly something only evil people normally do.

Does this make more sense?
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:35, Tue 14 Apr 2020.
Aithne
player, 79 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 01:04
  • msg #358

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
In reply to Aithne (msg # 355):

neither, alignments would still work much the same way and, as presented in the wall of text, detect alignment stuff would work much the same too.

the only change is the objective rigidity of them from a mechanical stand point.


I'm not going to try and change your mind nor argue with you on the subject, but I want to be sure I understand what you're saying...because I'm not following your train of thought.

Your first mistake was following the discussion.   In my experience, forum discussions are usually nothing more than arguments for the sake of arguments.  I've learned not to take anything said as more than a suggestion, and then only for things related to game mechanics.  As Einstein said: everything is relative.  And that's true of how things work in our world.

Morality (and by proxy Alignments) in Pathfinder, however, is a set of absolutes.  We see the same thing in Star Wars with the Light/Dark side of The Force; the why usually doesn't matter, only the action itself.  So, my caution in that regard is that if you're going to stray from the book definitions...be really careful and really clear.
The Meta
GM, 172 posts
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 01:33
  • msg #359

Re: OOC Yes

ya... I probably am being ridiculous and will get over it later.

I'm sorry that the explanation didn't help though, perhaps I'm not being intelligible and will reflect on that.
Aisent
player, 98 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 02:20
  • msg #360

Re: OOC Yes

I've played Dungeons and Dragons in one form or another for almost 40 years. Each edition changes things.

For Example in 1E AD&D non intelligent undead themselves were N whereas Pathfinder has them as NE. It's curious they would be NE though because they have no motivations of their own as they only obey the orders they are given. Considering Animate Dead is an Evil spell by descriptor casting it is an evil act, however the spell is instantaneous so unless you stumbled on it shortly after it's creation there would be no evil to detect. Thus changing that I don't have a problem with really.

A Paladin slaughtering the women and children of say an orc tribe was not penalized in 1E, but today they frown on such things.

Where the problem lies is sometimes in balance issues, allowing someone to freely mix good and evil abilities can create an unbalanced character. That should never be allowed, but we all make that mistake from time to time. I would be against changing any feats, prestige class, etc requirements on alignment as it can lead to some serious balance issues.  You might could examine it on a case by case basis but I would not make a blanket house rule that we are going to ignore alignment restrictions on things. Keep in mind it also makes some classes like the Paladin weaker when you make such changes though. Being I'm a Paladin that could become a concern I don't know.

So my answer overall is Nay because I perceive balance issues, but it is possible taking it case by case and studying each one that some might be more properly redefined.
The Meta
GM, 173 posts
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 03:28
  • msg #361

Re: OOC Yes

ya, moral subjectivity of dnd is very much influenced by human opinion. Orcs, kobold, and the such are usually seen as evil because they are common game fodder (With orcs usually being the more frightening fodder). but once players started playing orcs and seeing them more in human light as well as more played... well, asking an orc to wantonly slaughter other orcs for the sake of cultural differences quickly becomes a moral dilemma. Kobolds have started shifting into that same dynamic and goblins have even started slipping into the same.

I also agree with the perspective of undead in general. However, Undead are usually animated by dark energy and due to this I kind of get the mindless alignment thing.

Though, after some reflection on it all... I do think that it's unwise to actually make homebrew rules and changes.
Particularly, I plan to add more players (I may put the flag out for the next wave on wednesday). changes to raw will make it difficult for them to onboard.
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:24, Tue 14 Apr 2020.
Aithne
player, 80 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 07:19
  • msg #362

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 360):

I've been playing about that long, I think around '83 was when I was introduced to it.  And I've tinkered with this system a lot.  A LOT.

Morality is always a muddy creek.  :)
The Meta
GM, 177 posts
Tue 14 Apr 2020
at 22:38
  • msg #363

Re: OOC Yes

Announce: I've added something in the bottom of the intro thread for making a temporary npc for minor reasons.
The Meta
GM, 178 posts
Fri 17 Apr 2020
at 03:34
  • msg #364

Re: OOC Yes

sorry for the delay, finaril, kalven, and aisent. I'm enjoying my friends vacation home (also helping them with a little renovation but mostly enjoying.

Working on replies right now.
Kalven
player, 36 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Fri 17 Apr 2020
at 03:40
  • msg #365

Re: OOC Yes

No worries, glad your having fun.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:40, Fri 17 Apr 2020.
Aisent
player, 101 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 18 Apr 2020
at 00:32
  • msg #366

Re: OOC Yes

I'm mostly waiting on Kalven and seeing if we are leaving the next day before I post a daily for it :)
The Meta
GM, 180 posts
Sat 18 Apr 2020
at 01:54
  • msg #367

Re: OOC Yes

I understand.
The Meta
GM, 181 posts
Sat 18 Apr 2020
at 20:15
  • msg #368

Re: OOC Yes

I found actual mechanics for how the lyre of building provides a discount.

quote:
Lyre of Building (13,000 gp)
The lyre of building provides you with a measure of free
labor when constructing a stronghold. If you play it
for 1 hour per week, it cuts the labor cost on your
stronghold in half, which means your stronghold’s
base price is 15% lower. If you succeed at the Perform
check and play for an additional hour, all your labor is
free, and thus your stronghold is 30% cheaper. Keep in
mind that you can use this savings to reduce the build
time instead if you like. It isn’t possible to reduce the
stronghold price by more than 30% with a lyre of building, because much of a stronghold’s cost is in materials.



so, it is possible to use it either to make some construction cheaper or faster.
I will post about this in the kingdom rules section to help make it more clear.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 20:15, Sat 18 Apr 2020.
Guthbrand
player, 1 post
Sat 18 Apr 2020
at 21:47
  • msg #369

Re: OOC Yes

Hopefully this will be helpful, not trying to be contradictory or anything, just info I happen to have/looked into in the past for Kingdom/Downtime on Pathfinder that might be applicable here.




There is actually a set of rules for the Kingdom building portion for Lyre of Building that just gives you 2 BP worth of building being done in the Ultimate Campaign on page 212,

quote:
Construction: Construction is completed in the same turn you spend BP for the building, no matter what its size is. a building’s benefits apply to your kingdom immediately. At the GM’s discretion, construction magic (such as lyre of building, fabricate, or wall of stone) can reduce a single building’s BP cost by 2 (minimum 0). This is a one-time reduction per turn, regardless of the amount of magic used.


I suppose they didn't want to make it very strong.

On the other hand, downtime rules are fairly easy to work out, you do some math for downtime rules using what is stated in the rules, it works out to 24 labor an hour of playing it. This due to it saying 100 humans laboring for 3 days, a team of laborers is 5 men, so 20 teams, giving a +2 per team or +40 total to a check per day, or 12 per half hour. And you'd still need the materials and such (Goods, influence, etc).
The Meta
GM, 182 posts
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 00:12
  • msg #370

Re: OOC Yes

Not contradictory, its good. thank you.
Finaril
player, 36 posts
Elven Wizard
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 01:47
  • msg #371

Re: OOC Yes

Re the alignment thing, I have always felt it was dumb and generally ignore alignments.   My characters will do what they feel is right for them at the time according to their personal code.

I have had a good character perform what would be regarded as an evil act in a moment of desperation or extreme emotion and it felt right for him to do so.  It wasn't a moment he felt proud of and regretted later but in that moment he killed every combatant without mercy.

So I'm neither Yay or nay at this point
Guthbrand
player, 2 posts
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 02:37
  • msg #372

Re: OOC Yes

I've always viewed it as something I tend to ignore as well, I tend to view Good/Evil more as Selfless/Selfish and Law/Chaos as Must keep the code/their word and I'll do what I want. Sometimes having to be a certain alignment for a class makes sense, other times not so much. I'm fine with it being either way.
Mako
player, 1 post
Hobgoblin Slayer
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 04:16
  • msg #373

Re: OOC Yes

Antbody have a Link to Flaws for extra Traits?
Guthbrand
player, 3 posts
Human Wizard
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 05:04
  • msg #374

Re: OOC Yes

Mako
player, 2 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 20:20
  • msg #375

Re: OOC Yes

Has anybody figured out how to determine Bloodline Strength? Whether it is Minor, Major, or Great? Is it determined by d100 roll as suggested in the Variant rule?
Ranos
player, 10 posts
Elan Psion
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 20:50
  • msg #376

Re: OOC Yes

From what i can see, is that the bloodline score, under the variant rule, shows how many points you need to gain abilities from those points.
http://www.birthright.net/foru...ties&redirect=no

So the more points you have, the more abilities you wil be able to get.

However, i'm going for non-blooded, so i'll just be gaining HP as noted in the Grand Intro:

22:47, Today: Ranos rolled 17 using 4d6 ((6,3,3,5)). dropping 3 = 14

so according to the bloodline score i get 7 extra HP.
Mako
player, 3 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 23:08
  • msg #377

Re: OOC Yes

I got that part. But I was reading an example under Bloodline score that did not make sense to me.
Here:

The scion must possess a bloodline of sufficient strength (represented by the levels of the scion class) in order to make full use of these abilities. A scion with a bloodline of Brenna (minor, 32), for example, would receive three minor abilities. Their bloodline score would entitle them to one minor ability, one major ability and one great ability but their minor bloodline strength limits their manifestations to minor abilities only

In the example, how did they arrive at Minor Bloodline STRENGTH? Is 32 the STRENGTH or the SCORE? And under what table did it say '3 minor abilities'?
Now, the BLOODLINE SCORE table shows that for a 32 SCORE, the character gets 1 Minor, 1 Major, and 1 Great ability, so I have to think that in this example, the 32 relates to BLOODLINE SCORE.

See my confusion?
Vresil
player, 1 post
Sun 19 Apr 2020
at 23:18
  • msg #378

Re: OOC Yes

Yeah, I was having trouble making sense of it all too, but I also think that's just for the noble characters; if you're playing as one of the pirates or something as I am I'm not sure if that applies.
Aisent
player, 105 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 20 Apr 2020
at 00:12
  • msg #379

Re: OOC Yes

Mako:
I got that part. But I was reading an example under Bloodline score that did not make sense to me.
Here:

The scion must possess a bloodline of sufficient strength (represented by the levels of the scion class) in order to make full use of these abilities. A scion with a bloodline of Brenna (minor, 32), for example, would receive three minor abilities. Their bloodline score would entitle them to one minor ability, one major ability and one great ability but their minor bloodline strength limits their manifestations to minor abilities only

In the example, how did they arrive at Minor Bloodline STRENGTH? Is 32 the STRENGTH or the SCORE? And under what table did it say '3 minor abilities'?
Now, the BLOODLINE SCORE table shows that for a 32 SCORE, the character gets 1 Minor, 1 Major, and 1 Great ability, so I have to think that in this example, the 32 relates to BLOODLINE SCORE.

See my confusion?


There is no roll or anything. The strength of your bloodline was always a choice. I have a Major Bloodline. Your confusion arises from the fact that being minor, 32 the person can only have minor abilities, so even though their bloodline score is 32 they can only have 3 minor powers rather than 1 minor, 1 major, and 1 great. In the original setting having a Great bloodline was dangerous as the True bloodlines generally hunted you......

If you wanted a random way this is a chart that was made but isn't here:

As a variant random determination of bloodline strength per the following table can be used.


Table 2-2: Bloodline strength
d100 Strength
01-65 Minor
66-95 Major
96-100 Great

Note you cannot have a True bloodline, unless you kill one of the True bloodlines....good luck with that....
The Meta
GM, 183 posts
Mon 20 Apr 2020
at 03:35
  • msg #380

Re: OOC Yes

someone has asked me if the great heritage template will be allowed. I took a look at the great heritage template and have decided, yes.

However, be aware that I WILL be enforcing the risk of the template.

Alternatively, anyone who's leadership is impressive may appeal for the template (citing why) and if 2 of their opponents or 5 players, or myself, agree that it is well deserved then you can have it added to your sheet later.
This message was lightly edited by the GM at 03:42, Mon 20 Apr 2020.
Aithne
player, 81 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Mon 20 Apr 2020
at 04:57
  • msg #381

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 379):

I went the non-blooded route myself, as at the time I really didn't have a grasp on what it was.   I'm still not entirely sure still, and I'm sure additional explanations would only confuse me further.
The Meta
GM, 184 posts
Mon 20 Apr 2020
at 05:46
  • msg #382

Re: OOC Yes

Cant go wrong with a flat HP boost.
Mako
player, 4 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Mon 20 Apr 2020
at 06:56
  • msg #383

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 379):

Aisent.
So you're saying that the player either chose a Minor Bloodline, or rolled for it. Because it is Minor, the best type of ability it can provide is Minor? Therefore if the character in the example had a Great Bloodline, they would have 1 Great ability, 1 Major ability, and 1 Minor ability. Because the person had a Minor bloodline, all 3 abilities could be Minor only?

That makes sense.

If you had a Major bloodline, and a 32 score, would that be 2 Major & 1 Minor, or 2 Minor or & 1 Major abilities?
Aisent
player, 106 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 20 Apr 2020
at 10:53
  • msg #384

Re: OOC Yes

Yes that's what I'm saying
On your last question either is acceptable they can have 2 Majors and 1 Minor or 2 Minors and 1 Major.
The Meta
GM, 185 posts
Tue 21 Apr 2020
at 17:24
  • msg #385

Re: OOC Yes

Finaril, Ranos, Enoch.

Whats going on? what do you guys need?
Enoch
player, 35 posts
Tue 21 Apr 2020
at 17:48
  • msg #386

Re: OOC Yes

I told you I'm slow in character creation.
I meant it. I won't be this slow when I play though. My biggest issue at the moment is simply coding for the tables. it is taking me a while, but you will have it, as soon as I get it finished.

My deepest apologies if I am trying your patients.
Ranos
player, 11 posts
Elan Psion
Tue 21 Apr 2020
at 18:07
  • msg #387

Re: OOC Yes

I think i'm all done now, I filled in the non-blood what i was missing on my sheet that you mentions, otherwise i'm ready to start i guess
Mako
player, 5 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Tue 21 Apr 2020
at 23:07
  • msg #388

Re: OOC Yes

Does Mallet of Building, or Decanter of Endless water, have any effect at City level? Like -1 consumption or less BP cost for construction?
Guthbrand
player, 4 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Tue 21 Apr 2020
at 23:20
  • msg #389

Re: OOC Yes

I think Mallet of Building would possibly work for BP reduction under the same rule as Fabrication, Lyre of Building and such. I'll have to look to see if either are mentioned specifically anywhere.
Guthbrand
player, 5 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Tue 21 Apr 2020
at 23:24
  • msg #390

Re: OOC Yes

quote:
Everflowing Spring5 BP

Limit Settlement must have a building that can create medium magic items

Special Can share lot with Castle, Cathedral, Market, Monument, Park, or Town Hall

A fountain built around several decanters of endless water that provides an inexhaustible supply of fresh water.


quote:
Magical Streetlamps5 BP

Limit Settlement must have a Cathedral, Magic Shop, Magical Academy, or Temple

Special Can share a lot with any building or improvement

Settlement Crime —1

Continual flame lamps that illuminate the lot.





Don't see anything for Mallet specifically.
The Meta
GM, 186 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 00:07
  • msg #391

Re: OOC Yes

don't worry Enoch, I was more checking in then pressuring. you guys take all the time you need. This is an open/sandbox game, there isnt any linear story, people can easily drop in and out as needed (for instance, we may have lost Cornelius. though I hope not).
The Meta
GM, 188 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 00:24
  • msg #392

Re: OOC Yes

Announcement:

I've settled on how Lyre's and such magics interact with construction costs or building points (basically I am using the books mechanics with some minor clarifications).

This is being added to the intro thread.
Enoch
player, 36 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 00:28
  • msg #393

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Guthbrand (msg # 390):


Personally, and Meta can hulk stomp this all that is needed, its more useful for the down time system for reducing the amount of  good needed. see link below
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamem...Table-Capital-Values

For the kingdom maker system however, for certain structures you might get a point reduction, but honestly, if you were just building structures, which said hammer would be best for, and weren't in a hurry, then the downtime system would be your best bet, where you could use the hammer to substitute  good costs.  Again Meta overrides and overrules anything I've said.
The Meta
GM, 189 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 00:40
  • msg #394

Re: OOC Yes

Thank you Enoch.

In this game, you can use just about any official side, sub, or alt rule that suits your needs or wants. The only time I will make a ruling on one is if there is a conflict (wound system vs hp system, we are using the hp system) and in most cases just assume default (but feel free to ask).
Like, I presented a desire to change the alignment system and some people presented the alternative alignment mechanics. I expressed I felt it was actually probably not a good idea and that we just stick to the default. However, enough interest was shown, and due to my own bias, and so I am still mulling over that particularly mechanic.

Mallet of building will probably interact with BP the same way Lyre of building does as they both fall under construction magic.

I am reading it to review if it does anything different in any other side rules (like the mentioned capital system).

*Edit:
ok, review, it looks to me it doesnt really cover much in way of material cost but would absolutely make construction go faster.

for simplicity's sake, it will work exactly like the lyre under construction magic.

For other rules that do not have suggested construction magic mechanics, it will give a max 15% time mitigation.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:45, Wed 22 Apr 2020.
Enoch
player, 37 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 01:06
  • msg #395

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 394):



I actually just heard your update for the lyer and building magic, and the particular item in question seems to fall under that system. As for alignment, I'm personally against saying all of a particular race is evil, but the added complexity of what this might bring might not be desired.
Mako
player, 6 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 07:41
  • msg #396

Re: OOC Yes

Anybody know what the color code of the map is? And where the starting 'port city' is? Nothing is labelled.
Enoch
player, 38 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 08:08
  • msg #397

Re: OOC Yes


Well, unfortunately, no.
Then again my eyes are just for decoration, so I'm useless for map questions.
Aisent
player, 107 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 09:01
  • msg #398

Re: OOC Yes

New Port is at 22.70 on the map, middle left along the river
That is the only known settlement so far.
Mako
player, 7 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 09:05
  • msg #399

Re: OOC Yes

22.70? All I have is a phone. Map doesn't enlarge enough to make out hex numbers. You said middle left? The brown hexagon just south of the thin strip of water?
Mako
player, 8 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 09:09
  • msg #400

Re: OOC Yes

What is Warcraft? Never heard of the skill before. Who has it as a Class skill?
Aisent
player, 108 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 09:12
  • msg #401

Re: OOC Yes

Mako:
22.70? All I have is a phone. Map doesn't enlarge enough to make out hex numbers. You said middle left? The brown hexagon just south of the thin strip of water?


It's southeast of that brown spot you are looking at between the bay and lake.

I had to download map on my PC and able to enlarge it that way that's how I can read it, not sure would work with a phone.
Aisent
player, 109 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 09:13
  • msg #402

Re: OOC Yes

Mako:
What is Warcraft? Never heard of the skill before. Who has it as a Class skill?


It's a skill from Birthright though I'm not sure he's using that skill, so have to wait for DM to chime in :)
Enoch
player, 39 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 09:28
  • msg #403

Re: OOC Yes


To piggyback on Aisent's fantastic post, I'll add the following, dependent upon Meta, since all things are dependent on the Meta... well in this case even more so, since this is Pathfinder, and that was TSR, but back in when birthright was the thing, warcraft worked like this, taken from the book it self...
quote:
Warcraft (Int) [New]


 You have been educated in the military sciences of strategy, tactics and logistics. You are skilled at commanding groups of soldiers at both land and sea, whether entire armies or just a small squad of soldiers. You have studied advanced techniques for defeating military fortifications. Warcraft can be used as an untrained skill and is a class skill for Fighters and Paladins.

Check: A skilled commander can have a significant impact upon the outcome of a war, campaign, or battle. Refer to Chapter Six: Armies and warfare for details on the use of this skill in mass combat.


As Aisent wisely stated, how this skill applies here is unknown at the moment. I've also not listened to the mass combat rules for Pathfinder yet, so I have no idea how that works, but will soonish.
Mako
player, 9 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 17:48
  • msg #404

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent:
It's southeast of that brown spot you are looking at between the bay and lake.

I had to download map on my PC and able to enlarge it that way that's how I can read it, not sure would work with a phone.

Southeast? Nope, cannot see it.
The Meta
GM, 190 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 18:33
  • msg #405

Re: OOC Yes

I used my phone to check it out, it looks like the phone doesnt zoom right. it zooms out the page rather than the image and this causes pixel mush.

I was going to look into whether the imgur app fixes this but I know people hate having to download extra stuff and apps for online games. It's such a pain and takes up precious storage space.

I dont like it, but I am considering cropping a small map section to help show a zoomed in view of where port town is at. Problem is I will have to do this for all establishments, then... I'd have to make a public image that doesnt give away secrets and doesnt help people find the establishments or other such. Not saying it's a deal breaker of an issue, just that it's one of those things that will likely cause me to be a bit slow to get to it.

For now, Mako, the one city thats on the map is mid left area, theres variant colors of blue near it. it is indeed near the thin strip of water, between the brown and the light blue on the land.

I will figure out a phone friendly approach to this.
Kalven
player, 40 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 19:55
  • msg #406

Re: OOC Yes

Look on the map Mako.  It is the only area on the map that has a waterway inlet not directly on the ocean.   Perfect place for a city and there is one there.   That's the starting city where we are at.
Aithne
player, 82 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 20:09
  • msg #407

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 395):

The alignments given for a race either reflect the general attitude of the race as a whole and/or represent the majority of the individuals.   I think Humans (and most of the other demi-human races) are some variant of Neutral.
The Meta
GM, 191 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 20:57
  • msg #408

Re: OOC Yes

Kalven, Finaril, the manor thread has been waiting on finaril.
Kalven
player, 41 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 20:59
  • msg #409

Re: OOC Yes

No.  Phinaril decided to be quiet.  I posed a question to Mag, and sent Mag a private message.

Waiting on Mag to post to move the thread along.  Going on day 3 here waiting.
The Meta
GM, 192 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 21:06
  • msg #410

Re: OOC Yes

I just checked again, it isnt clear if finaril chose to wait the rest of the time or just to give Magphyra a chance to react/respond.

However, Finaril hasnt been on since sunday and so tomorrow (per the standard rpol 3 day rule) it will be appropriate to play past Finaril.

I am letting you know, kalven, that you can probably expect a replay tomorrow unless Fianril posts before then.
Mako
player, 10 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 21:36
  • msg #411

Re: OOC Yes

Okay, I see a discolored area below and to the left of 3 vertical blue hexes. It looks like a thin strip of green between the 3 blue hexes and the bay. Does that mean the port city is on a lake?
The Meta
GM, 193 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 21:53
  • msg #412

Re: OOC Yes

its above, and to the right, of the 3 light blue hexes. my class is almost over so I can give you more guidance then.
The Meta
GM, 194 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 22:35
  • msg #413

Re: OOC Yes

Aithne, I know you are just waiting right now but I feel bad.

is there anything youd like to do while you wait?

we can even get your a basic level 1, with level 1 wbl, char to play with.
Finaril
player, 38 posts
Elven Wizard
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 22:53
  • msg #414

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
I just checked again, it isnt clear if finaril chose to wait the rest of the time or just to give Magphyra a chance to react/respond.

However, Finaril hasnt been on since sunday and so tomorrow (per the standard rpol 3 day rule) it will be appropriate to play past Finaril.

I am letting you know, kalven, that you can probably expect a replay tomorrow unless Fianril posts before then.

Sorry for some reason it wasn't showing up in red like usual.  I'll jump in now.
The Meta
GM, 195 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 23:14
  • msg #415

Re: OOC Yes

no, no need to apologize. I am glad to see you were able to post.
Aithne
player, 83 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 23:16
  • msg #416

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 413):

I am perfectly fine waiting until everyone catches up.
The Meta
GM, 196 posts
Wed 22 Apr 2020
at 23:46
  • msg #417

Re: OOC Yes

I appreciate you aithne, just know my offer stands.
Mako
player, 11 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 23 Apr 2020
at 11:00
  • msg #418

Re: OOC Yes

On the map, what are 'plains' hexes? Yellow, light brown, or dark brown?
Aisent
player, 110 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 23 Apr 2020
at 11:34
  • msg #419

Re: OOC Yes

Mako:
On the map, what are 'plains' hexes? Yellow, light brown, or dark brown?


None of those :)

Plains are light green :), though there are two subtle light greens one is plains and the other is light woods, not sure on a phone you can tell apart if you can't see symbols on the forest ones.

browns are non forested hills/mountains

yellow are deserts I think
The Meta
GM, 197 posts
Thu 23 Apr 2020
at 18:44
  • msg #420

Re: OOC Yes

<3 aisent

For those who are unable to recognize it, I used hexographer and everything on the map is from that.

If anyone decides to venture out of the map I've made, I will be doing player influenced edits using hexographer as well. Though, do not expect such maps to be uniformed, logical, or even pretty (this is why we went with a house made map, but the option to use all of golarion is still very much avaiable).
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:29, Thu 23 Apr 2020.
The Meta
GM, 198 posts
Thu 23 Apr 2020
at 22:15
  • msg #421

Re: OOC Yes

There was a previous conversation here about hex sizes.

it was my understanding there was two interpretations but I have recently learned there was an official ruling made on it and now Paizo follows the engineers preference.

that is to say, paizo now uses the more logical edge to edge instead of the awkward center to center (they were convinced to see reason, yay).

Here is where the pfsrd talks about about it.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamem...-Kingdom-Terminology

all hexes are measured at edge to edge, per that pfsrd.
Mako
player, 12 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 01:53
  • msg #422

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 421):

I found no discussion, or even mention, of hex size in that link. So how far across is a single hex on the map?
The Meta
GM, 199 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 03:01
  • msg #423

Re: OOC Yes

its in the beginning, just before overview, at the end of the intro segment.

quote:
Like the exploration system, the kingdom-building rules measure terrain in hexes. Each hex is 12 miles from corner to corner, representing an area of just less than 95 square miles. The hex measurement is an abstraction; the hexes are easy to quantify and allow the GM to categorize a large area as one terrain type without having to worry about precise borders of forests and other terrain features.

This message was last edited by the GM at 03:01, Fri 24 Apr 2020.
Mako
player, 13 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 03:51
  • msg #424

Re: OOC Yes

So distance across a hex is (12 + 2× Cosine 60)?
This message was last edited by the player at 03:52, Fri 24 Apr 2020.
Aisent
player, 111 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 04:10
  • msg #425

Re: OOC Yes

They are regular hexagons, therefore the radius of the hexagon is equal to the length of a side, meaning that the diameter is 24 miles across if the sides are 12 miles.
The Meta
GM, 200 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 04:21
  • msg #426

Re: OOC Yes

as for discussion

The Meta:
Aisent

not unless you want to spend hours doing that. my next post is going to give you pretty much all you are going to get from the tavern and its not really an hourly task there. However, if you want to go around asking people about things you could and THAT would be a dailies thing because you are literally walking around town for x number of hours striking up conversation to gain information.

Upkeep is what you are using for the activities. like, maybe a wizard wants to use visualization of the mind for a charsima or int boost to whatever they aim to do. Ok, so you spend a spell slot for +5 to checks. record what you had, how much you spent, and then the new total.

maybe you want to craft, so the spell slot and cost of crafting.

Once you are finished with all your buffs, costs, etc... basically your prep and expense.

you go on to what it is you want to do. what is all this glorious buffing and spending for? you want to try to craft as best a palm sized wooden horse as ever has been crafted? ok, do the thing, roll using your gloriously buffed modifier.

did it fail? did it succeed? record you progress or failure. In most cases, you cant finish something that has a cost unless you finish paying off the cost. How are you going to finish that masterwork palm sized wooden horse if you dont have all the wood? Cost is pretty relative in most cases, just assume you lack something to finish the task (gloss? primer? maybe your sander is too warn out now?). Sometimes you can appeal to finish it without all the cost yet paid, give a reason and either I or Arkrim can go and give it a stamp of denial (or approval). Example and hint, if you can take a loan for costs then this would be one way to 'pay it off without actually having fully paid it off'. You WILL need to finish paying asap though.

next is income. so, maybe you werent crafting the worlds best palm sized wooden horse... say you were just polishing peoples armor or whatever. How much did you earn?

say you did finish your horse, and you immediately want to sell it. Whever you did... record what you had, how much you earned, and then the new total. Pretty much the opposite of upkeep.

Events are events, its mostly a side thing you dont have to touch. ^_^ I or arkrim will touch it for you *scary laser eyes and demon voice*.
You can roll it if you want, we may allow it, or do our own rolls, or whatever. as said in the intro... the actions' event's is one of the very few times I will be arbitrary.

Do you have any further questions on this?

Finaril

I did say most the map is unexplored.

trust me when I say that in time you will be grateful for such a large map. What happens if you lose your kingdom and have to relocate? what if you are at war, losing, and decide to grab some bp and make a run for another spot?

Also, once I get you guys going, I may add another couple of players.

Theres also tactical room on this map for strategic waterway maneuvers (this is specifically why I chose a group of islands for the map. I wanted to go broken lands but hex crafter didnt want to cooperate).

Finally, on why the size will be good in the long run, this is a multi tier game... remember? if you post for adventurers or mercenaries and I get players to play those, they have play room to spare. Maybe they even end up becoming bandits, outlaws, or new rulers.... or they hit the trees and go monster hunting to be better mercenaries for you rulers? Plenty of land for whatever can happen.

I am aware the size is why it doesnt fit in the map upload rpol section. I dont think we really need it there since its publicly available anyways. I get its slightly less convenient. if you really-really-really want, I can make a map thread and embed the map(s).

Rivers are features and most features are not visible until explored. Thankfully they are really easy to find and typically just moving into proximity of them will find them. the land mass is literally dead new, the port town is a hastily made hub from the people who either happened to be there when the land emerged or who got there first. No actual exploration has been made other then near the port town.


as for hex sizes:

quote:
Dale McCoy Jr wrote:

    As Urath DM said, there was considerable confusion over what "12 miles across" meant. The first version of the our rules (Exploration and Kingdom Building) had the measurement being 12 miles from side to side. As you pointed out Laithoron, that comes out to 125 mi^2, not 150. The only way I was able to get ~150 miles^2 with a 12 miles across statement is to assume a square instead of a hex. That would give 144 mi^2.

    We looked for clarification on the boards, but ultimately we needed to make a decision and we chose to go with 12 mile sides. At the time we felt that was what Paizo had originally intended. That comes out to ~375 mi^2. That is the official ruling for this book.

    If you prefer to adjust the number for your own game, it has little bearing on the way the kingdom building aspect is played. In the same way that the kingdom's population is simply a fluff number, the dimensions of a hex are more fluff then of game altering mechanics. For example the travel time across a hex is a static number, despite the distance across a hex varies widely depending on how you are measuring it. A 12 mile side is 24 miles when measured from corner to corner, yet the travel time remains the same. So if you choose to call the hex size different but leave the travel time the same, it has little impact on game play.

    Sorry for the confusion.

Dale McCoy Jr wrote:

    Gamemonger wrote:

        The Book of the River Nations doubles the width of hexes (and quadruples the area of hexes).

        The Kingmaker book said 12 miles from corner to corner (or 6 miles a side). James Jacobs once clarified this as 12 miles center-to-center (Approximately 7 miles a side). Both of these are much less than The Book of the River Nations' statement of 12 miles to a side.

        This causes conflict with the Pathfinder overland travel rules (basically doubles the speed of travel), whereas the Kingmaker version is a mere simplification of the overland travel rules.

        The Book of the River Nations also misrepresents the size of The Stolen Lands as larger than Washington State, whereas its supposed to be about the size of Maine. It also makes city districts seem like they take up much less space in a hex than they really do.

        In other words, this small mistake "breaks" a lot of the assumptions that go into the Kingmaker AP.

        Any chance of fixing this in the PDF?

    This was asked upthread I said then that I was not going to. There are several reasons why. I don't know if I shared them all in one place before so I'll share them all here:

    1) It doesn't change any of the actual game mechanics itself. The travel time table is identical to the one in the Adventure. If you want to change that for your home game it makes no difference to the game itself. None. If you want to change it for your own game, rest assured that your game experience will not change. Just like the actual population number, no mechanics are actually dependent upon the size of the hex or the area of the kingdom. Simply the number of hexes your kingdom occupies.

    2) This is not a slam on Paizo or anyone that works there but I do not believe that anyone there is either a mathematician or civil engineer. Infact their open calls for game designers/developers typically calls for an english or a history degree. (I'm an engineer by day job and by degree.) The way you calculate area of a hexagon is to measure a side. So my natural assumption was that the 12 miles corner to corner was that it was a typo and they actually meant 12 miles per side. Jacobs clarification came after (or atleast I didn't hear about it until after) the book had already gone to print (and mathematically speaking, you don't measure the distance between points A and B to get something that B has nothing to do with, it is poor mathematics). Before it went to print, however, I ran through ALOT of calculation models before publishing the book (including models with 6 mile sides and 7 mile sides, because I did question exactly what they meant) and I found that the 12 mile sided hex worth of farms was closer to providing the consumption reduction (the actual number was like 11.6 something miles, IIRC). Mind you, the calculations assumed alot of things that simply aren't true like the growth rate was constant from year to year and all farmers were equally skilled, but it is as historically accurate as I can make it. That was the same reason why I switched the Warden and the Marshall, historical accuracy.

    3) The Book of the River Nations has sold over 1000 copies. There are only 2 other Pathfinder Compatible books that I know of that have also passed that threshold (Tome of Horrors Complete and Psionics Unleashed).

    There are simply to many copies of the book out there for me to invalidate for something that neither is historically accurate nor changes the way the game is played. If there ever is a second edition of the book, we are on the list of things to look at, but that will depend on if any future books use the kingdom building rules (*cough*Shadowsfall*cough) and their relative popularity and so forth. All I can say that we'll see. But for this version, the way it is is the way it is.


I, personally, prefer to use the 'from one side to the other interpretation' (rather than center to center) but will accept either use as, as the quote addresses, most everything is mechanically the same in both cases.

besides, terrain tends to be different from hex to hex so if one person does like 144 and another likes 375 then we can just hard stamp that as we go to simulate the differences in terrain.

Aisent
player, 112 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 04:27
  • msg #427

Re: OOC Yes

Eh I'm sleepy :) I was doing it as 12 miles per side in which case it is 24 miles across, honestly that would be the easiest.

If it's 12 miles corner to corner then the radius is 6 miles and the diameter is 12 miles as at 12 miles corner to corner you created equilateral triangles each having half the length corner to corner for one side and thus the other two.

So one scale is half the size of the other....hmmm maybe I'm to sleepy, that seems right though....
Enoch
player, 40 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 04:40
  • msg #428

Re: OOC Yes

Since I don't want to wait for a ride... in the rain... I'll add a few things now:
  1. Historically speaking maps haven't exactly been the most reliable of things.

  2. Meta, since it is literally impossible for me to see the map, I might have to ask a lot of questions... later... when they matter for me, because  they are being explored.  Until then, and only then, consider me as good. 

Aithne
player, 84 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 04:41
  • msg #429

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 427):

I read it as a hex is 12 miles in diameter.
Enoch
player, 41 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 05:52
  • msg #430

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 429):


I also rthought of it as such, it would also make sense, as some planners of castle used that as there plot size.
The Meta
GM, 201 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:00
  • msg #431

Re: OOC Yes

from my understanding, its meant to be 12 miles from one side to the opposite side (technically 12 in diameter)

originally, they tried going center point to center point but this was widely seen as awkward and just not mathematically sound. As I said above, it seems paizo staff was eventually convinced to go edge to edge. Regardless, they have always said 12 miles was the intended distance.

All text reads as normal to me, did the language groups work? Finaril? Kalven?
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:04, Fri 24 Apr 2020.
Finaril
player, 41 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:27
  • msg #432

Re: OOC Yes

So basically we are going with 12 miles from one side to the other.



[Language unknown: K p m a Ereivevir evpoas?]
Guthbrand
player, 6 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:49
  • msg #433

Re: OOC Yes

I saw the first one, but not the second one by Finaril. How does one use the languages?
The Meta
GM, 202 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:53
  • msg #434

Re: OOC Yes

test
[Language unknown: olthe]

I dont think that script meshes well with private scripting.... lets see.



]
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:00, Fri 24 Apr 2020.
Guthbrand
player, 7 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:55
  • msg #435

Re: OOC Yes

That one I can't understand, unless you misspelled paper, it says language unknown.
Finaril
player, 42 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:55
  • msg #436

Re: OOC Yes

[Language unknown: Us si Erahereau eeder]

[Language unknown: In omivsa es Staousund mo]

Just a test
Ranos
player, 12 posts
Elan Psion
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:58
  • msg #437

Re: OOC Yes

how do you even do those ?
Guthbrand
player, 8 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 06:59
  • msg #438

Re: OOC Yes

Not sure, but they seem to be working.
The Meta
GM, 203 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 07:02
  • msg #439

Re: OOC Yes

Lol, finaril, you are a dork :)

as a note, I am more using sylvan because I added that one in. Elven, common, and undercommon are defaults.
Mako
player, 14 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 07:17
  • msg #440

Re: OOC Yes

So we are going with 12 miles from the east side to the west side of a hex. Good. Needed that for initial exploration and transport costs.
Enoch
player, 42 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 08:16
  • msg #441

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 431):


Meta, your private to me worked, but am not sure how to do it in response, since I don't directly interact with the GUI... I don't use a mouse, so think on that for a moment... if you recall the way MS. DOS worked... I feel old for saying that, then you'll have some idea of how I use the internet.  Anyhow, I'll try and figure it out, later.
Aisent
player, 114 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 11:33
  • msg #442

Re: OOC Yes

To type out the command for private communication you would type Private to The Meta: Put what you want Private here, and then enclose in brackets the whole thing.

If you want to make it private to a language group, that is a language that is set because though I understand those two he posted I can't actually respond in those languages you use a similar format. You use Language Sylvan Language: Body of you communication and again you need to enclose that in brackets.
Ranos
player, 13 posts
Elan Psion
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 11:49
  • msg #443

Re: OOC Yes

[Language unknown: wa iefor teai nasimo]

can this be read?
Aisent
player, 115 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 12:03
  • msg #444

Re: OOC Yes

I can't but my helm should have translated it, could be the DM has not set that language yet.
Finaril
player, 43 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 13:48
  • msg #445

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
Lol, finaril, you are a dork :)

as a note, I am more using sylvan because I added that one in. Elven, common, and undercommon are defaults.


[Language unknown: O elout asckteca erame paofiv.... p ec Esder t ughkorwhe'anyive.  ]
Aisent
player, 116 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 14:27
  • msg #446

Re: OOC Yes

Remember to add me to all the languages after all I can understand them, just can't speak them :)
The Meta
GM, 204 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 16:41
  • msg #447

Re: OOC Yes

I'm just starting to figure out the language groups. If the added one, sylvan, works then I will fix it. I dont think there is a goblin one so someone just putting that wouldnt work for anyone (if I recall correctly)
Kalven
player, 44 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 17:17
  • msg #448

Re: OOC Yes

[Language unknown: Narolo latsheous pé ek arlliswa anis'ntat]
The Meta
GM, 205 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 19:38
  • msg #449

Re: OOC Yes

oooh, it actually ran that and changed it on me. looks like spanish though.

I'm a little rusty but it looks like you said something about the pandemic, terminal possibly means like a terminal, or severe, illness? like terminate.

terminal pandemic?

or you are asking when it will end? tempo is a time statement, temporary?

pandemic terminate?

did you mean to put: Quanto tempo até a pandemia terminar.

or did it translate your words to that?
Kalven
player, 45 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 20:38
  • msg #450

Re: OOC Yes

It’s Portuguese.

I asked when will the pandemic end, but left out the question mark.
The Meta
GM, 206 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 21:03
  • msg #451

Re: OOC Yes

it looks kind of similar to Spanish.

cool stuff.
The Meta
GM, 207 posts
Fri 24 Apr 2020
at 22:56
  • msg #452

Re: OOC Yes

I was asked how much it costs one to form or create an army.

Keep in mind armies cost one or more bp PER WEEK. they can be expensive.

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qvnf?Recruiting-Armies

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2...-Army-Creation-Costs

I will put these links in the reference section of the intro thread.
Finaril
player, 44 posts
Elven Wizard
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 02:32
  • msg #453

Re: OOC Yes

Ok so just to clarify, it costs nothing to raise (Unless you add extra resources) but there is an ongoing cost to maintain them.

So a company of 100 Dwarven Axemen (F2) costs 1bp per week to maintain but would take 4 weeks to assemble. Likewise for the Elven Wardens (R2) but if I wanted them to be archers it increases the cost by 2bp and the consumption goes to 2bp per week.

Also it looks like these are costs for armies in the field rather than guards staying to defend the settlement which are covered under the Defense costs of buildings.  Is that how we are playing it?
Enoch
player, 43 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 02:45
  • msg #454

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 453):


This is my understanding as well... also making a note not to get on your bad side.
:D
Aecthelion
player, 12 posts
Elven Ranger
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 02:47
  • msg #455

Re: OOC Yes

Yeah don't poke Prince Finaril, he's worse than a bear coming out of it's winter slumber.
Enoch
player, 44 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 03:02
  • msg #456

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aecthelion (msg # 455):



Right, bad, but not the worst fate imaginable...
den mother, winter, cubs,  *cue scenes of Enoch's half-orcish face being mawled by bear, with voice over of someone saying on how he died up north and how the hunting is good up there.*
*considers how the film will be accidently  consider a chick flick for reasons that can't be quantified*
The Meta
GM, 209 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 03:14
  • msg #457

Re: OOC Yes

XD I dont really have the answer to that, but I know there is a reserve cost. if someone needs to use an army for defense, I will look up rules for the situation and we can work on it then.

for now, recruitment is the relevant mechanics. As you guys have said it, is my understanding as well.

my understanding is it doesnt cost to recruit them but the moment you recruit them it's x bp cost per week. I use to have a better understanding of those rules and soon I will do more research to develope a better one again but for now thats the hard and fast we will use.

I have a cert exam or three, if one of you guys does research and posts about it though then that would be acceptable.
Enoch
player, 45 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 03:51
  • msg #458

Re: OOC Yes

According to UC being a king, or lord of a city is sufficient for recrutement of non-monster armies. If you aren't one then You will have to do things to earn the reputation to recruit armies. Monster armies also require things to be done, but what exactly I'm not sure at the moment.
Enoch
player, 46 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 04:29
  • msg #459

Re: OOC Yes

Consumption:
Consumption: This is how many Build Points (BP) an army consumes each week (unlike most kingdom expenses, this cost is per week, not per month), representing
the cost to feed, hydrate, arm, train, care for, and pay the units. An army’s base Consumption is equal to its ACR divided by 2 (minimum 1). If you fall
behind on paying the army’s Consumption, reduce its Morale by 2; this penalty ends when you catch up on the army’s pay.


Behold! how Training and Logistics  fit into all this.
Aithne
player, 85 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 04:47
  • msg #460

Re: OOC Yes

Armies are overrated.   Hire a Hulk....or me.    ^_^
Enoch
player, 47 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 04:55
  • msg #461

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 460):


I'll see your comment, figuratively, and say, army armed with guns, with you to train them.
:D
I can have my cake and eat it too.

Okay, the blind guy  makes horrible blind jokes as well.
Aithne
player, 86 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 05:12
  • msg #462

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 461):

Ironically, Aithne actually could do just that.   Military family (her mother is a General) background.
Guthbrand
player, 9 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 06:11
  • msg #463

Re: OOC Yes

See all this military/politics stuff is why some of us wizards choose to live on the surface of the sun instead.


Edit: Reference - https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Eziah
This message was last edited by the player at 06:53, Sat 25 Apr 2020.
Mako
player, 15 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 08:21
  • msg #464

Re: OOC Yes

What is ACR?
Guthbrand
player, 10 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 08:54
  • msg #465

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 464):

Army Challenge Rating (ACR): This is based on the CR of an individual unit from the army and the army’s size, and scales like CRs for monsters. To determine ACR, see Table: Army Sizes and apply the modifier for the army’s size to the CR of an individual unit in the army. If an army is cavalry, use the mount’s CR or the rider’s CR, whichever is higher. For example, an individual orc warrior 1 is CR 1/3, so an army of 100 orc warriors 1 is ACR 1/3; an army of 500 orc warriors 1 is ACR 3 (4 steps greater than the standard 100-unit army). If a group’s ACR would be lower than 1/8, it doesn’t count as an army—add more troops until you reach an ACR of 1/8 or higher.

Edit: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamem...r-rules/mass-combat/ For more reading.
This message was last edited by the player at 08:57, Sat 25 Apr 2020.
The Meta
GM, 210 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 11:22
  • msg #466

Re: OOC Yes

Guthbrand:
See all this military/politics stuff is why some of us wizards choose to live on the surface of the sun instead.


Edit: Reference - https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Eziah



999 problems, but an emeny aint ont
The Meta
GM, 211 posts
Sat 25 Apr 2020
at 21:40
  • msg #467

Re: OOC Yes

Announce: I am approving Stronghold Builders Guidebook for this game, a link to the pdf will be posted in the intro reference section. if you do not own it, you should endeavor to remedy that.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:42, Sat 25 Apr 2020.
Mako
player, 16 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 07:38
  • msg #468

Re: OOC Yes

May I ask why you are asking this? I skimmed the pdf but I'm not sure how this 3.5 material translates to pathfinder.
The Meta
GM, 212 posts
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 07:43
  • msg #469

Re: OOC Yes

It's a common legal disclaimer.
Mako
player, 17 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 07:47
  • msg #470

Re: OOC Yes

I meant, is it useful to Kingdom building?
Aisent
player, 118 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 26 Apr 2020
at 10:20
  • msg #471

Re: OOC Yes

It's a good supplement for strongholds. There is not so much about Kingdom building but it provides rules for magical rooms and such. Since Pathfinder itself is a derivative of 3.5 and the guide was made for 3.0 it translates pretty easily into Pathfinder. Unless you are planning to build a stronghold you probably wouldn't need it.
The Meta
GM, 216 posts
Tue 28 Apr 2020
at 19:25
  • msg #472

Re: OOC Yes

Vresil and Garick, do you guys need anything?
Garick
player, 1 post
El Capitan
Tue 28 Apr 2020
at 20:45
  • msg #473

Re: OOC Yes

Almost set - posted a PM for the few things I need.
Enoch
player, 49 posts
Tue 28 Apr 2020
at 21:58
  • msg #474

Re: OOC Yes

I just posted a link to several of the tables from the stronghold builder's guidebook for quick referencing. The fees for day for servents is one of my favorite things from the book.
Aisent
player, 121 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Tue 28 Apr 2020
at 22:57
  • msg #475

Re: OOC Yes

I can't see the last post Meta boat, you seem to have left me off :)
Finaril
player, 49 posts
Elven Wizard
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 00:02
  • msg #476

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 475):

You didn't miss anything, it was just a post regarding my detect magic and a question I asked ooc
The Meta
GM, 218 posts
Wed 29 Apr 2020
at 00:22
  • msg #477

Re: OOC Yes

Was there something you needed me to handle, aisent, that I missed?
Enoch
player, 50 posts
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 01:50
  • msg #478

Re: OOC Yes


If I were paying for a bathroom, as in straight up buying it, considering the gold to labor/ influence/ good system it would be 260 gp, right? I'm trying to plan out the rooms of my airship, and how much they'd cost to build, so want to sure I have the prices correct.
Guthbrand
player, 14 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 04:12
  • msg #479

Re: OOC Yes

The room Bath, looks to cost 130Gp if you are just paying for it and not using earned capital.

Create 3 Goods (60), 1 Influence (30), 2 Labor (40) (130 gp)

Capital 	Purchased Cost 	Earned Cost
Goods 	        20 gp 	        10 gp
Influence 	30 gp 	        15 gp
Labor 	        20 gp 	        10 gp
Magic 	        100 gp 	        50 gp
This message was last edited by the player at 04:22, Thu 30 Apr 2020.
Enoch
player, 51 posts
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 04:23
  • msg #480

Re: OOC Yes


When listening to the entry, I wasn't sure if the coin cost was in addition to the labor goods influence, or represented as an equivalent. Usually    equivalency is written in a different from than the one presented.

The table I have that you have written, but there could be other visual material which the reader doesn't translate.
Guthbrand
player, 15 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 04:33
  • msg #481

Re: OOC Yes

Nope, there isn't any extra information on that table. It's just the added cost of the goods tossed in GP form so that you don't have to add it all up and check it yourself.
Enoch
player, 52 posts
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 04:50
  • msg #482

Re: OOC Yes


I meant more for the entries, since to me the total as you say it, is in parenthesis, which doesn’t express equivalency in any form known. It also raises a few other questions,  but I’ll relisten before I articulate those questions.
Mako
player, 18 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 05:06
  • msg #483

Re: OOC Yes

Are we assuming that we took several months to 'spend' 150 bp as we set up the start of a kingdom, or are we starting by 'Landing' at our destination, then roleplaying through Exploration, Clearing of Lands, and Building up?
Enoch
player, 53 posts
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 05:16
  • msg #484

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 483):



As I understand it if you spent the initial funds for BP, then you have those resources present, but nobody has any actual starting kingdoms, the port is there, but while you have the means to build things from the BP, you won't have built anything yet. At least this is what I've gotten from OOC conversations thus far.
Mako
player, 19 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 05:29
  • msg #485

Re: OOC Yes

Map hexes are 12 miles across from side to side?
Enoch
player, 54 posts
Thu 30 Apr 2020
at 05:45
  • msg #486

Re: OOC Yes

Yes, map hexes are as you say.
The Meta
GM, 225 posts
Fri 1 May 2020
at 05:31
  • msg #487

Re: OOC Yes

I feel like experience should be earned regardless of whether from success or failure.
I think combat has a 'survived' modifier for experience per cr.

Would you guys be ok with me adding that (probably half experience or a 1/10th experience or something) to the experience earned from doing downtime activity?
Aisent
player, 123 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 1 May 2020
at 05:45
  • msg #488

Re: OOC Yes

So downtime activity would earn half what the dailies originally showed?

I suppose I'm okay with that
The Meta
GM, 226 posts
Fri 1 May 2020
at 06:09
  • msg #489

Re: OOC Yes

I did research and there doesnt seem to be any pre existing system in pathfinder for partial experience for failure. Instead, I have learned more clearly that the rules say you get experience for overcoming something and, quite honestly, failure teaches you what not to do and that is just as valuable as what you should do.

I feel partial experience should be fair though, otherwise people can decide to try for insane dc's to get the experience even if they fail over and over.

so, actually, I am going to DM fiat this and just rule its 50 percent experience without player input (though, I still appreciate you aisent).
The Meta
GM, 228 posts
Sat 2 May 2020
at 08:37
  • msg #490

Re: OOC Yes

Does anyone think the intro thread has become a bit daunting? I am mildly concerned it may be, and am already thinking of ways to mitigate this. Chief among my ideas is to split it into two threads. Just moving the reference and npc stuff would help it look smaller.
Aisent
player, 124 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 2 May 2020
at 11:31
  • msg #491

Re: OOC Yes

I think it's okay, you could make a thread to put in NPC names etc, call it Important NPCs, you could put their stats in there and just private them to GM :)
The Meta
GM, 229 posts
Sat 2 May 2020
at 18:18
  • msg #492

Re: OOC Yes

this is what i meant by npc stuff

quote:
NPC's:

Npc's can be temporarily stat'ed, for immediate but not long term needs, using a stat array of 12, 10, 10, 10, 8, 8. Commoner class (or just 1 skill rank in relevant skills, up to 4 skill ranks)

Example, say you send a temporary, random, message runner and then someone questions them and they need to run bluff or diplomacy checks.
This would allow you to dictate what the messenger rolls.


I also have rule I havent even posted on how to handle recruiting npc's for kingdom roles and hiring npc adventurers and such.
Enoch
player, 55 posts
Sat 2 May 2020
at 22:29
  • msg #493

Re: OOC Yes


You could make a thread titled "house rules" and put many of the rules and links to things you don't want in the intro thread, or the thread for sharing information in the house rules
thread.  You could keep that thread
Mako
player, 20 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Mon 4 May 2020
at 08:09
  • msg #494

Re: OOC Yes

Can a Metamagic Extend Rod extend the duration of an Infernal Healing spell feom 1 minute to 2 minutes?
Aisent
player, 127 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 4 May 2020
at 12:42
  • msg #495

Re: OOC Yes

It should be able to.....

I hope you realize you would detect as evil....(It is an evil spell and specifically states you detect as evil throughout it's duration)...
Enoch
player, 56 posts
Mon 4 May 2020
at 20:46
  • msg #496

Re: OOC Yes

Do to a host of circumstances, many of which I'm not at liberty to discuss at this time, I won't have time for RPOL right now. as much as I was looking forward to further interactions with you all, other demands require my attention at this time.  I hoe that this will  change in the near future, and if it does, then I will return; I wish you all the best in your ventures both here and elsewhere, respectfully, Enoch.
Aisent
player, 128 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 4 May 2020
at 21:32
  • msg #497

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry to hear that Enoch, I wish you well and hope you come out the other side of whatever troubles you have better, I was gone for several months last year with my own health.
Guthbrand
player, 18 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Mon 4 May 2020
at 22:05
  • msg #498

Re: OOC Yes

I hope things improve for you Enoch, one must take care of their own self and lives first. Best of luck with whatever it is you are dealing with.
Aithne
player, 88 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 5 May 2020
at 01:46
  • msg #499

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 490):

If you feel that the intro thread is too large, then break it down into two (or more) threads.
The Meta
GM, 232 posts
Wed 6 May 2020
at 22:07
  • msg #500

Re: OOC Yes

Kalven and co.
and mako since you are looking at travel

To travel, you declare your intent to travel (from x location to y location) and log expenses, present how you are traveling, and either via dailies or weeklies you present how long you want to travel for. (maybe you only want to travel for 3 days in the direction of the nearest volcano? who knows, but that would be one example).

If you need an example entry then I will make one but would prefer not doing so.

you can still perform downtime while traveling, the travel info will go into the activity segment of the action submissions. Upkeep and such are still as normal (if you are paying someone else for voyage, you'd put expense in upkeep. If you are paying a crew... put that cost in upkeep... etc etc etc).

you can put travel info in with the same submission as downtime activity (example: using a portable alchemist lab to make sunrods in the moving carriage).

I will not do travel calculations for you, I will not calculate cost for you, or any of that.
Though, I can help you confirm it once you've tried to do a calculation, by you presenting it and then me affirming if it looks correct or not.
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:59, Thu 07 May 2020.
Aisent
player, 130 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 6 May 2020
at 22:38
  • msg #501

Re: OOC Yes

I'm traveling in Kalven's airship, thus not much for me to do til we get there.
Mako
player, 21 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 6 May 2020
at 23:36
  • msg #502

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 500):

To do so, I need to know how fast a galley travels. Where do I find that information?
Kalven
player, 57 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Wed 6 May 2020
at 23:45
  • msg #503

Re: OOC Yes

Ok.  I have a few things to work out on the journey.  Will work on it now.

Don't worry Aisent.  I have a few ideas for you to get exp while we travel.
Aecthelion
player, 14 posts
Elven Ranger
Thu 7 May 2020
at 01:51
  • msg #504

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 502):

Sea travel rates are here

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/vehicles/

Keep in mind a galley needs 160 rowers at 48gp per day payment also it's a coastal ship and we are a long way from the mainland.
The Meta
GM, 234 posts
Thu 7 May 2020
at 03:03
  • msg #505

Re: OOC Yes

As a note, since that can be a daunting number. I will give the hint that there are spells to help mitigate this. They don't help in combat but they help with crew'ing a vessel. 880k can easily cover the cost of a magic item with a ship crew spell.

Again, this does not help with combat.

just a reminder, you have all of paizo at your fingertips.
The Meta
GM, 239 posts
Thu 7 May 2020
at 03:42
  • msg #506

Re: OOC Yes

Ok, Split a bunch of the rules from the intro. I think that should handle the starting intimidation factor and making entering the game a little more friendly.
Mako
player, 22 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 7 May 2020
at 05:20
  • msg #507

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aecthelion (msg # 504):

48 gp per day for the entire crew?
Mako
player, 23 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 7 May 2020
at 05:23
  • msg #508

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 505):

Actually, having already paid the passage fare for myself and 150 bp AND bought the galley as a warship, I see no reason to pay the rowers as well. That is covered by the passage fare, isn't it?
The Meta
GM, 240 posts
Thu 7 May 2020
at 05:25
  • msg #509

Re: OOC Yes

Paying passage fair is usually for when you are paying someone else, with their ship, to transport you.

When you own your own ship, it needs a minimum crew. You can find these in the ship statistics on paizo. This usually does not have a passage free because it's your own ship, unless you want to pay yourself (it's ok, no ones judging).
Aithne
player, 89 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 7 May 2020
at 13:07
  • msg #510

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 508):

Couldn't you enchant it with something like a Fly spell?
Mako
player, 24 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 7 May 2020
at 16:32
  • msg #511

Re: OOC Yes

So I could just pay passage fair and not worry about other costs?

Travel by galley is 96 miles per day, which is 8 hexes (12 miles across). Correct?
This message was last edited by the player at 16:33, Thu 07 May 2020.
The Meta
GM, 242 posts
Thu 7 May 2020
at 17:06
  • msg #512

Re: OOC Yes

which flight/fly type enchantment?

that seems correct to me, mako
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:08, Thu 07 May 2020.
Finaril
player, 64 posts
Elven Wizard
Thu 7 May 2020
at 22:39
  • msg #513

Re: OOC Yes

Mako:
So I could just pay passage fair and not worry about other costs?

Travel by galley is 96 miles per day, which is 8 hexes (12 miles across). Correct?


4 miles an hour for 24 hours, those are some tired rowers ;)
Mako
player, 25 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 7 May 2020
at 23:25
  • msg #514

Re: OOC Yes

So, where's the world map? I no longer have access to it.
Nor the links for kingdom building.


As for rowers, there's no need to be an absolute Tyrant...
Crossing 3 hexes per day gets me to my destination inside a week, and allows me to start crafting.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:27, Thu 07 May 2020.
Aithne
player, 90 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 7 May 2020
at 23:52
  • msg #515

Re: OOC Yes

I'm planning on staying in the starting town for at least two weeks, if someone wants to co-ordinate with me.
The Meta
GM, 243 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 00:55
  • msg #516

Re: OOC Yes

Aithne,
Blythe
player, 1 post
Fri 8 May 2020
at 09:51
  • msg #517

Re: OOC Yes

I'm planning on running a magic shop, of sorts, and being a neat little spot players can request my assistance (directly, or items-wise) and be a "friendly/safe" spot for most.

Any hints as to where exactly I should position myself? Is there a "standard" town that will have plenty of PC interaction so far?
Finaril
player, 65 posts
Elven Wizard
Fri 8 May 2020
at 10:18
  • msg #518

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Blythe (msg # 517):

Currently New Port Town is the only town we know, I don't think any of the new volonies are up and running yet.
Blythe
player, 2 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 10:19
  • msg #519

Re: OOC Yes

Awesome, then I'll try and coordinate with the GM to place my little shop in there.

Truthfully, I won't be able to really run a "shop" without a good influx of items. Does anybody else have a better idea for a "hub" of PCs than a simple magic item shop? Something sustainable?

Edit: Also - does anybody have any desire to help run, or be part of a magic shop of sorts in the main town? Even as a guard, etc?
This message was last edited by the player at 12:22, Fri 08 May 2020.
Ranos
player, 14 posts
Elan Psion
Fri 8 May 2020
at 10:37
  • msg #520

Re: OOC Yes

oh poop, forgot a skillpoint D: and now i am a scribe :)
The Meta
GM, 245 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 16:28
  • msg #521

Re: OOC Yes

Well, Rano's just put himself as a scribe, Aithne is a gun toting alchemist, and there is another player interested in coming in as some other kind of magic item dealer.

I think you guys have 'influx of items' covered pretty good.

Aithne has expressed interest in adventuring, so maybe you guys can coordinate with her (the character is a her) and make some kind of deal. She can go out and get material, and she can craft alchemy items, in exchange you guys can help her out with other items and maybe even bullets or such.

Aithne was just asking about coordinating with someone.
Kalven
player, 59 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Fri 8 May 2020
at 16:35
  • msg #522

Re: OOC Yes

Not sure what day Aithne is on but I had invited her to come with us some time back and she didn't seem to interested....
Aithne
player, 91 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Fri 8 May 2020
at 16:48
  • msg #523

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Kalven (msg # 522):

Around day 15.
Kalven
player, 60 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Fri 8 May 2020
at 16:51
  • msg #524

Re: OOC Yes

Oh we would of left before that sorry :(
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 1 post
Fri 8 May 2020
at 17:01
  • msg #525

Re: OOC Yes

Hi

I will be oracle / sorcerer picking (life) and (Impossible Bloodline).

My character is magic item craftier (scrolls to start).
Also other items like bows and weapons.
Also hired healer but will not go into danger for people.

Blythe if ok with you I PM you and we talk.
I was thinking of this character before I noticed your post.
I have loads of idea and if you want to be the shop keeper then I happy to craft for you.
Mako
player, 26 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Fri 8 May 2020
at 17:17
  • msg #526

Re: OOC Yes

I will also be making Magic Items, eventually.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 2 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 17:29
  • msg #527

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 526):

Mako have you met the elven dale-ness before in another game I would ask?
Maybe even healed by him in a dark damp skeleton infested pit?
This message was last edited by the player at 17:30, Fri 08 May 2020.
Mako
player, 27 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Fri 8 May 2020
at 17:32
  • msg #528

Re: OOC Yes

Hmmmm, could be. Very wet. Still is.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 3 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 17:49
  • msg #529

Re: OOC Yes

Do you think we should go though the door.  Or run away.
Maybe ask the rats to go first?
Himble
player, 1 post
Gnome Sorceror
Aspiring Merchant
Fri 8 May 2020
at 18:19
  • msg #530

Re: OOC Yes

Hello everyone! I think I am about ready to start. I will be heading to the port town and looking for a job.

Please let me know if any of you would like some help.
Blythe
player, 3 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 18:24
  • msg #531

Re: OOC Yes

Would love help!

Currently setting up a shop along with Silverdale, and I'm happy to set up individual deals with any adventurers that head out. Long as a player is willing to work with me, I'm willing to work with them!

Especially those that craft items (MAKO!) I'd be quite a good little spot to sell your trinkets for you!
Blythe
player, 4 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 20:51
  • msg #532

Re: OOC Yes

If anybody has a great grasp on creating magic shops, and figuring out costs to run them, I'd love some assistance.

I'm a dnd convert player coming over and struggling to figure it all out. I've found many of the pages on the pfd20 site (or whatever its called) so I've got a lot of resources, but I'm trying to figure out what's needed, bonus options (like protecting a shop from thieves, etc) and I'm fairly clueless/new to it.

Anybody with experience, I'd love some help, feel free to PM me!
Enoch
player, 57 posts
Fri 8 May 2020
at 22:34
  • msg #533

Re: OOC Yes


The link at the bottom of the page will provide you with a site that will explain a great deal of the down time system for pathfinder. One of the secondary links will provide you with such information as 'rooms & teams' which is important for starting your magical shop. The other pages that explain the rules for the down time system and its phases will provide you with information on how you can run your shop. Read, or if you are blind like me, or have a visual impairment, then listen to some of those pages, before coming back and asking questions.

https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?Name=Downtime Overview&Category=Downtimehttps://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?Name=Downtime Overview&Category=Downtime
Aisent
player, 132 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 8 May 2020
at 23:13
  • msg #534

Re: OOC Yes

Blythe:
If anybody has a great grasp on creating magic shops, and figuring out costs to run them, I'd love some assistance.

I'm a dnd convert player coming over and struggling to figure it all out. I've found many of the pages on the pfd20 site (or whatever its called) so I've got a lot of resources, but I'm trying to figure out what's needed, bonus options (like protecting a shop from thieves, etc) and I'm fairly clueless/new to it.

Anybody with experience, I'd love some help, feel free to PM me!


Are you a spellcaster?
Mako
player, 28 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sat 9 May 2020
at 02:56
  • msg #535

Re: OOC Yes

OkaY, I can see the Intro thread with PC generation info. What I cannot see is the portion with the map link and Kingdom building links.

Anybody else having that problem?
Aecthelion
player, 15 posts
Elven Ranger
Sat 9 May 2020
at 02:59
  • msg #536

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 535):


It's in the other rules section

The map:

At this time, only the area near the port town has roughly been explored. Mostly general stuff.

There are things purposely omitted from the map, and I'm going to do my best to simulate a 'living map' by including roving bandits and other settlers and the such.

There is currently a map made with the undiscovered things, so I'm giving you a bit of a hex crawl but I absolutely know a lot of what's already on the map.

https://imgur.com/OS4WcOZ
Mako
player, 29 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sat 9 May 2020
at 03:03
  • msg #537

Re: OOC Yes

That's the problem. I don't have access to any 'other rules' section. I only have access to 5 threads.
OOC
PC Generation
Player Share Space
Rumors of the Realm
Adventurers and Mercenaries postings.

That's it.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:04, Sat 09 May 2020.
The Meta
GM, 247 posts
Sat 9 May 2020
at 03:15
  • msg #538

Re: OOC Yes

you havent entered play yet, also I just recently split the thread.

Seeing as one should be able to better prepare their purchases for the map they want to play in... it does seem fair to make the map available in char generation. I will copy the link over.
Mako
player, 30 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sat 9 May 2020
at 03:19
  • msg #539

Re: OOC Yes

Thanks. My only problem now is that the screen expands only so much on my phone, and I cannot determine the land types I am heading for to start my new colony.
Finaril
player, 68 posts
Elven Wizard
Sat 9 May 2020
at 03:25
  • msg #540

Re: OOC Yes

It's a big map, I have to use my laptop to view it. :)
Aisent
player, 133 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 9 May 2020
at 03:40
  • msg #541

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 539):

If you trust me send me the coordinates in PM and I'll tell you the terrain. I will treat it as OOC knowledge and not share it with Kalven or Fin
The Meta
GM, 248 posts
Sat 9 May 2020
at 03:42
  • msg #542

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Finaril (msg # 540):

ya, I meant to make a phone friendly map of port town and its immediate area for you mako... my bad.

though, you want to go somewhere else now, I dont think it's practical to make a bunch of segments of the map so that it's easier for you to view. In that case, you may need to use the imgur phone app.

Also, Aisent is awesome... I'd trust Aisent.
Kalven
player, 62 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sat 9 May 2020
at 12:12
  • msg #543

Re: OOC Yes

Anyone who is on the docks on the third night we would be more than willing to take you aboard as we are departing then.

Sadly this means Aithne won't be able to join us at this time since she stayed in town til at least day 15. Don't worry though we'll be back in town hopefully before the end of the month.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 4 posts
Sat 9 May 2020
at 12:56
  • msg #544

Re: OOC Yes

Just to say.

If any characters or group of characters decide do some adventuring in and round the port but feel they little week.  You will soon be able to hire my character as healer.
That will be x2 cure light wound and x5 1d6 Channel.  Also guidance spell.
Also few Know skills and detect / read magic.

But he will not get involved with any adventure directly.
He will not enter dungeon.  If on street he stand in agree place for you to return to.

I have talk to GM and with Blythe help I may need help clearing out his new home.
Finaril
player, 69 posts
Elven Wizard
Sat 9 May 2020
at 13:56
  • msg #545

Re: OOC Yes

I'll be in town until day 10, if anyone wants to sail the ocean waves until we catch up with Kalven.
The Meta
GM, 252 posts
Tue 12 May 2020
at 00:36
  • msg #546

Re: OOC Yes

Is there anyone who needs anything at this time?
Himble
player, 2 posts
Gnome Sorceror
Aspiring Merchant
Tue 12 May 2020
at 00:44
  • msg #547

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 546):

I think a thread for Blythe's shop would help me getting started. Thanks
The Meta
GM, 253 posts
Tue 12 May 2020
at 01:53
  • msg #548

Re: OOC Yes

with your start, you do not have a physical shop. you would make goods and sell them in the market of whatever town you are in (in this case, port town).

If you buy a building in town, you can use it as a shop (feel free to use any rules in official paizo, or 3.5 strongholds builders guide, to accomplish this)

Alternatively, you can make a shop just outside of town (think like how merchants use to make trade stations outside of town to avoid local laws and taxes, also picture refugee camps with trade involved).

Once you have a shop, I will make you a thread and also include your goods in the port town public thread.

for a shop outside of town, you could just as easily set up a tent or just put out your wares on the ground.
Kalven
player, 68 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Tue 12 May 2020
at 02:17
  • msg #549

Re: OOC Yes

I was waiting to see if some mundane gear in PM was approved.

Once we have that settled I believe we will sail.

Once I've established my settlement I'd love to have shops and adventurers come
Enoch
player, 58 posts
Wed 13 May 2020
at 16:22
  • msg #550

Re: OOC Yes


This is a fishing expedition and I'll admit it. Meta would totally be in the right to slap my hands and send me to time out.
:D
Anyhow, the heart of the matter is what are folks general opinion about the following link in regards to skills, particularly background skills, taken from Pathfinder unchained.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/background-skills/

Obviously, Meta has final say, since its part of being DM. Even the mighty  Ao is slave to the DM.
Aisent
player, 137 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 13 May 2020
at 17:11
  • msg #551

Re: OOC Yes

He is fine with it, after all from the PCGen thread...

quote:
I'm good with most Paizo variant and side rules, you should show me what you want to use but you can assume most of them will be allowed.
(Explicitly, you should use the background skill rules)


So you should have already taken them :)
Enoch
player, 59 posts
Wed 13 May 2020
at 17:26
  • msg #552

Re: OOC Yes


Well, until you pointed that out I thought Meta was referring to the background  rules from ultimit campaign. Then I went searching and found that, and well, wasn't entirely sure if that was meant or not, and so stated that I was going fishing.

In short, this was the internet equal of me making a noise  and listening for the echo.
Mako
player, 31 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 13 May 2020
at 17:35
  • msg #553

Re: OOC Yes

...echo.....echo.....echo...
Enoch
player, 60 posts
Wed 13 May 2020
at 17:48
  • msg #554

Re: OOC Yes

*knows precisely where Mako is from all the echos*

*Will try and remember that Mako has a "k" instead of a "c"*
The Meta
GM, 254 posts
Wed 13 May 2020
at 18:45
  • msg #555

Re: OOC Yes

Thank you aisent.
The Meta
GM, 256 posts
Thu 14 May 2020
at 16:15
  • msg #556

Re: OOC Yes

everyone on the airship. per the alt profession rules, you may use equivelant skills in place of profession rolls.

and so, instead if profession (sailor) you could make perception checks to represent a day on watch... this would also allow you to earn experience. wages are up to kalven tho.
Tulsi
player, 1 post
Thu 14 May 2020
at 17:50
  • msg #557

Re: OOC Yes

Oh! Hello!
Blythe
player, 5 posts
Thu 14 May 2020
at 21:27
  • msg #558

Re: OOC Yes

Ok, the shopkeeper is ready to roll! Still got ~165k to play with for in game purchases (I'm guessing so if a PC asks for an item I don't have: I can pay my wizards to craft it the "creation cost" and then charge PCs the cost, etc) but I've got a large selection of good, useful stuff already, ready to roll!

Let's get rolling!
Mako
player, 32 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 14 May 2020
at 21:40
  • msg #559

Re: OOC Yes

Where are the rules for xp generated by crafting? I can't find them.
Himble
player, 3 posts
Gnome Sorceror
Aspiring Merchant
Fri 15 May 2020
at 00:10
  • msg #560

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Blythe (msg # 558):

I guess I will just bump into you in town.
Himble
player, 4 posts
Gnome Sorceror
Aspiring Merchant
Fri 15 May 2020
at 00:11
  • msg #561

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Tulsi (msg # 557):

Welcome! I hope you have fun here!
Guthbrand
player, 21 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Fri 15 May 2020
at 01:41
  • msg #562

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 559):

Experience from Skill checks:

We are using the medium level progression chart.

DC x 5 x half level /8
Failing the check still earns you 50% of the experience (rounded down).

Normally, you may only gain experience for 8 hours of skill checks in any given day.
Any extended action skill check that runs up to or less than an hour can count as an hour but only one per hour.

If you have ways to do a skill faster then normal, or to stay active for longer periods of time during any day, you may count every hour as half an hour in regards to the cap (effectively doubling your daily experience cap).
The Meta
GM, 258 posts
Fri 15 May 2020
at 03:31
  • msg #563

Re: OOC Yes

I forgot to change part of that.

it's actually supposed to be slow progression chart, I put it in the intro but forgot I mentioned the experience progression in the experience from skill checks homebrew rule.

My bad, I will be fixing that now.

Himble and Blythe, neither of you have posted (I still need to review blythes sheet), if you want to talk about having ties or history together... it's not too late. I probably wont have blythe approved before sunday.
Blythe
player, 6 posts
Fri 15 May 2020
at 05:27
  • msg #564

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 563):

I don't have a thread with him that I can access anywhere. And ok!
Mako
player, 33 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Fri 15 May 2020
at 07:29
  • msg #565

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Guthbrand (msg # 562):

Okay, I get that DC refers to target DC of the item being made.

What is meant by 'half level'?

Does that mean that lvl 1 characters get xp (per week I am guessing) of (5× DC) × (LEVEL/2) × (1/8)? So a week of crafting a Masterwork item (DC 20) at 1st level gives you (100× 1/2 × 1/8) = 6 xp? Something seems off about that.
Enoch
player, 61 posts
Fri 15 May 2020
at 14:49
  • msg #566

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Blythe (msg # 564):



You could send the character a PM, and then discuss background aspects there.
Blythe
player, 7 posts
Fri 15 May 2020
at 18:43
  • msg #567

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 566):

He had requested that we do it in character, in a game thread.
Enoch
player, 62 posts
Fri 15 May 2020
at 19:16
  • msg #568

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Blythe (msg # 567):



* Enoch opens mouth, and sticks in foot... left foot to be  precise*
* everyone can enjoy the image of a half-orc with his foot in his mouth.*
The Meta
GM, 262 posts
Fri 15 May 2020
at 20:17
  • msg #569

Re: OOC Yes

No, enoch was right. I did not suggest that you do it in character. I suggested you use this chance to talk before I approved you for play which would mean not in character.
Guthbrand
player, 23 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Fri 15 May 2020
at 22:07
  • msg #570

Re: OOC Yes

Mako:
In reply to Guthbrand (msg # 562):

Okay, I get that DC refers to target DC of the item being made.

What is meant by 'half level'?

Does that mean that lvl 1 characters get xp (per week I am guessing) of (5× DC) × (LEVEL/2) × (1/8)? So a week of crafting a Masterwork item (DC 20) at 1st level gives you (100× 1/2 × 1/8) = 6 xp? Something seems off about that.


DC(25) x 5 x half level(1) /8 = 15.625 x hours (8) = 125 xp
Mako
player, 34 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Fri 15 May 2020
at 23:49
  • msg #571

Re: OOC Yes

Guth, that math doesn't work. We are all level 1. Half level = 0.5.

DC 20 (Masterwork) gives 20×5×(0.5) = 50.
You are dividing by 8 in the equation, so does this mean you gain 50/8 = 6.333 xp per hour? Multiplying by 8 hours means 50 xp per day?
The Meta
GM, 263 posts
Sat 16 May 2020
at 01:58
  • msg #572

Re: OOC Yes

there is nothing in pathfinder that doesnt say minimum of 1, in the event of the presence of something x 1/2 (like, half class level or half char level) it always says minimum level 1.

this is the logic I assumed and others seemed to pick up on it right away as everyone else that's posted xp gain has used the same algorithm. the (1) represents the x1.
Mako
player, 35 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Sat 16 May 2020
at 02:34
  • msg #573

Re: OOC Yes

Okay, I can accept that.

So the formula [DC × 5 × (Level/2)]/8 represents the xp earned per hour of crafting? Multiply by 8 to get 1 day's earnings in xp?
Blythe
player, 8 posts
Sat 16 May 2020
at 03:57
  • msg #574

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 569):

Himble:
In reply to Blythe (msg # 10):
 We should discuss this more IC.

Thanks



No, HE requested that we do things IC, not you.

Edit to explain: What Enoch said is incorrect (technically no way he could've known, unless I explained it) because I can't really discuss things out of character more than the other PC is willing. He requested that we speak more IC, so what Enoch said DOESN'T apply, if that makes sense.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:59, Sat 16 May 2020.
The Meta
GM, 271 posts
Tue 19 May 2020
at 18:48
  • msg #575

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry blythe, it's taken a few more days then I expected to check through your sheet.

I should be done with it later tonight.

himble and silver, what do you guys need?

Guthbrand,
I noticed my post in meta hash didnt seem to stick, also expect to see that later today (probably in 5 or so hours, I get off work in 4 hours and thats something I can whip out in a few minutes so I will do that first.

Ai, Ac, and kal. I will have a post for you guys after I get blyth in. And since you guys have declared your course(you presented intent to avoid 'ambiguous stuffs and thing' I am going to be a brat and point out whatever you dont deal with here is going to end up being Port towns problem (the opposite direction from where you are going... is the general direction of new port town).

Fun stuff ;)

Should make for some fun for Finaril though, and maybe Aithne but Aithne kind of hasnt responded to the post they got in their tavern thread so they may not be active in this game anymore.
(T-T)

Look forward to it all later ;) Enjoy this whole teaser.
Guthbrand
player, 25 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Tue 19 May 2020
at 19:11
  • msg #576

Re: OOC Yes

Right on.
Aithne
player, 93 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Tue 19 May 2020
at 19:14
  • msg #577

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 575):

I'm still here.
The Meta
GM, 272 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 00:18
  • msg #578

Re: OOC Yes

and of course, I got home an hour late.

Ok guys, posts incoming. I also think now is a good time to bump that co gm wanted thread I made. Once mako and blyth are in, I suspect I'll need it.
The Meta
GM, 274 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 01:01
  • msg #579

Re: OOC Yes

I absolutely respect the use of performance over profession to earn gold. it's in the rules, so why not. People set up pop up studios, set up instruments in subways and on the streets, and such... all the time. some people will even do it daily and still hit new people every day.

However, eventually, things always stale. if you are out playing every day then why would that one business guy who passes you on his way to work drop money again the next day? or even for the next month? as far as he's concerned, he already paid you for your 'services' and now he's just going to enjoy.

Maybe even that person that passes you a week ago is taking another weekly, or monthly, walk and sees you again. maybe it's cool the second or third time but eventually they too are going to think about how it's all just more of the same.

For this, I think I am going to rule that consecutive performance checks yield 5 percent for every consecutive day. and this only resets after waiting an equal ammount of time to the number of consecutive days you played, but a minimum of one week (so, you could play once a week without ever worrying).

Area will constitute as a general location or to be some place in the same perceptual range as the last place.

a big city may allow you to play on one side of town and then go to the other side, the next day, and play there without penalty but a smaller town is too... small.. to do that.

If 5 percent is a cumbersome number, 10 percent can be used. it's easier to calculate 10 percent.

If there are no objections, or proposals, to this then I will write up the rule and put it into the other rules post.
Mako
player, 36 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 20 May 2020
at 01:22
  • msg #580

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 578):

Hmph. Thought I WAS in.

Just need an answer to Boon costs.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:23, Wed 20 May 2020.
Enoch
player, 63 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 03:28
  • msg #581

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 580):

By boon do you mean the boons given to certain NPC classes?
Mako
player, 37 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 20 May 2020
at 03:47
  • msg #582

Re: OOC Yes

Not sure. Something mentioned in an article that GM provided a Link to. Haven't found the original source of the named boon, so I don't really know what it is referencing.
Enoch
player, 64 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 04:15
  • msg #583

Re: OOC Yes


Could you give me the link please? That way I can compare.
The Meta
GM, 275 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 05:12
  • msg #584

Re: OOC Yes

you keep asking me char gen questions

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43130?Efficient-Creator#3

this is what mako is currently trying to understand, enoch.
Enoch
player, 65 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 06:12
  • msg #585

Re: OOC Yes

oh, that ritual.
The Meta
GM, 277 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 06:45
  • msg #586

Re: OOC Yes

I guess you could call it a ritual, more like researched understanding to allow you to use magic to do a mundane thing.

As a note, guys, in case someone decided to think about it.

so normally you can only do 8 hours of magic crafting a day. no ammount of removing fatigue or avoiding sleep will change that. it's a hardrule for pathfinder. You can get things to change that explicit rule so as to crafter faster (4 hours, for example) or to craft more in those 8 hours but for the most part it's hard capped at 8.

this is due to the mental strain of megic crafting.

Where as mundane crafting does not have that mental strain, and therefore you can craft more, capped only by the hours in a day, by ways of avoiding sleep and fatigue and such.

since efficient creator allows you to use magic item crafting to make mundane items, the 8 hour hard cap rule would then apply.
Mako
player, 38 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 20 May 2020
at 07:30
  • msg #587

Re: OOC Yes

What I fail to understand is what Efficient Creator IS? Is it a spell? A Boon of some sort? Can it be bought like Spellcasting Services? Neither the Link nor my own searches for 'efficient creator' yield me any answers.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:31, Wed 20 May 2020.
Enoch
player, 66 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 08:02
  • msg #588

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 586):



This might help Maco as well, but its time to tell a tale. Way back when D&D was still a TSR thing, spell books held more than just spells, well, some of them did. The really good, by Crom it is the book of *insert name of wizard here *, who has been dead for 1300 years and so forth. How rituals worked was like this, you, the wizard, read and breathed in magical smoke flavored with stuff, and did stuff, and gained understanding trademark.

Rituals varied, but they were kind of permanent  spells that the wizard cast on him or herself, via completing the ritual, which always granted something kind of like a feat, using modern terminology, in regards to something magical.

This ritual even seems fimilar, even though I can't place it.

The ritual, like many I can recall has both an advantage and a disadvantage. You can either get rid of the need of a role for crafting by doing only a thousand gp of crafting a day, or  include the role, increase the cost of the item in raw materials, but decrease the amount of time needed to craft it.   In some respects its similar to
Tools, Amazing Tools of Manufacture – d20PFSRD
In either case, it is easier to think of rituals in the old TSR format,  lasting self-directed spells that  allow for greater mystical understanding, or spellbook specific feats.
The Meta
GM, 278 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 13:03
  • msg #589

Re: OOC Yes

+1
<3
Mako
player, 39 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 20 May 2020
at 14:48
  • msg #590

Re: OOC Yes

So Efficient Creator is a ritual? How can a non-spellcaster use it?
Guthbrand
player, 26 posts
Human Wizard
Arcane Crafter
Wed 20 May 2020
at 15:55
  • msg #591

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 579):

I feel this is set in a modern mindset, one where you can watch TV, go on the Internet, listen to a recording of someone playing, listen to a radio station of some kind, and always have entertainment at the ready and available consumption nearly at will, even the amongst the poorest who will gather around a radio or TV to listen/watch their entertainment, being able to see the world cup, their 'local' team and the like whenever they play or hear talented musicians at will.

Back before record players existed, making a living via providing entertainment with things such as singing, playing instruments and such was significantly easier than it is today, where you have an over saturation of good music and entertainment barraging you relentlessly at every opportunity. That is because you had what you had and couldn't just instead of listening to Bella down at the pub singing you could just go and listen to Elizabeth, who happens to be the considered the best in the world at what she does. You may go weeks or months without hearing anything better than yourself or your mate singing, or the local priest and choir singing religious songs and chants, or again Bella down at the local pub. It's also why patronage existed and was widely spread, because even if you weren't the best, you were still providing much better than normal, and essentially on 'demand' rather than whatever happened to be there at the time.

It's the same with information/news spread and identification, there are no pictures and national ids to verify you are who you say you are, you can't just jump on the internet and know what is happening on the other side of the world, or even just ten miles down the way. You either have scrying done, some expensive magical means of communication set up, or you wait until someone who happens to know something you hadn't heard from that part of the world wonders in and tells someone about it. You could very easily be traveling to a new place, having left one where you were widely known and accepted as the most important figure and upon arriving have no one believe you, after all William Wallace is 7 feet tall, flings fireballs from  his eyes and shoots lightning from his ass, and you are neither 7 feet tall, nor do you fling fireballs from your eyes or shoot lightning from you ass. The people are disappointed that instead when they finally meet the famous  man, he isn't even six feet tall, doesn't do any of the former and is simply a good warrior, with good speeches and a noticeable talent for tactics and strategy. So that means you and your men who are in a barony on the outskirts of a realm get word you are at war and that you need to strike at a near by location to help in the effort, so you set sail to go do battle, arrive and do battle, only to find out a few months later when the message finally arrives that the war you had been fighting had actually been over for nearly a year, the previous message had taken a long while to get to you, and none of your men actually needed to die fighting. It was all over before you even left to begin your part of the campaign, and despite your victories here, you had already lost and it was all for naught. Even in WW 1 with radio and telegraphs, the British Garrisons were resupplying and warmly welcoming a German shipping Raider who were attacking their shipping for weeks they were at war with because they hadn't gotten the information yet.

The Great Wall China and the Beacon system of the Eastern Roman Empire both were designed to provide a way to get a message, and just a single one in the case of the former or in the case of the second two different messages based on the time the fires were lit. And these were great things as they allowed one to start preparations for the invasion immediately and respond the threat at an unprecedented level. Luckily in Pathfinder information is easier to get between large places, because a scroll of sending is 'only' 700 gp for a single message of 25 words or less, or perhaps a set of paired ring gates for within a hundred miles, a crystal ball with telepathy if you want to go on the expensive end (70,000 gp) and near unlimited range, a custom item or something else I haven't thought about to provide information between locations.

And I'm ramblin, so I'll stop here.
Enoch
player, 67 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 16:20
  • msg #592

Re: OOC Yes



Going back to the TSR example, it goes like this:
1. Anyone can read a spellbook.
2. rituals don't necessarily require a caster level to perform. Some do, some don't.
3. Since this one doesn't specify a caster level than it can be assumed that the ritual elements are all an aspect of the spellbook itself, like reading a scroll. There are cases of this in first and second edition, and I feel that this is carrying on that tradition.
Mako
player, 40 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 20 May 2020
at 16:37
  • msg #593

Re: OOC Yes

Thank you.

Since this sounds like a ritual I might invest in, I need to know what resources I need to expend to acquire and perform the ritual.
Enoch
player, 68 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 17:01
  • msg #594

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 593):



based on the information, it seems to be entirely based on reading the spell book, which contains the information for granting said ritual. No additional materials are required.     In short, you only have to read to gain the necessary understanding for the crafting benefits.

In fact, all the examples of rituals in constructed spell books I can find for pathfinder follow this same concept. Your character reads, and the benefit of the ritual is granted. That benefit might be towards the modification of other spells, or in crafting some item, or items, but in no case that I've found does the ritual actually require the expenditure of of gold pieces  above that required to obtain the spell book, or any other action on the part of the book's holder.
Mako
player, 41 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 20 May 2020
at 17:08
  • msg #595

Re: OOC Yes

Well then. Just need to track down a copy and buy/steal it. No need for UMD?
Enoch
player, 69 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 17:32
  • msg #596

Re: OOC Yes


if the particular item you are crafting requires a spell you don't have then, yes Use Magic Device checks will be required. This is a general crafting benefit, and so the specific crafting requirements   still apply for certain items as they come into play.

If for instance, you simply wanted to craft leather armor, or a mastercrafted battle axe, then no UMD checks would be required.
Mako
player, 42 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Wed 20 May 2020
at 17:40
  • msg #597

Re: OOC Yes

Nope. Just Mastercrafting some Special Materials. The ritual allows me to do it in a week rather than several months.
Enoch
player, 70 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 18:23
  • msg #598

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 597):



Then no, no UMD checks required. Carry on.
The Meta
GM, 279 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 23:14
  • msg #599

Re: OOC Yes

One thing you two are missing is in the rules on these spellbooks it's called a preparation ritual. I will reread but if I recall correctly, it says you have to use three spells from the book with the spell book knowledge (what you call a ritual) and you must prepare three spells on the same host books list.

You don't need to use the same book, you don't need all the same spells, in fact it says you can even mix and match the books as you want (even saying you can put one books preparation ritual with another books spells).

However, the preparation is the key part. You prepare it along with preparing spells.

Guthbrand, yes but no. You are earning gold... Even a few gold coins is a lot. No, your earnings do not need to be representative of actual gold coins (it could be 4 gold worth of copper coins, or 400 copper).

Also, in the olden days entertainers went from city to city, perhaps performing for a few days before moving to the next... Much like modern theater. You are right though about much the rest, save that the spread of information is aided quite well by magic in Pathfinder... And there are modern tech and magitech civilizations in the year we play in (though, unfortunately, most tech and magitech rules are starfinder... !Yay lore without mechanics support!)

Anyways, there is a trade off... A balancing pros and cons, to these two eras in a rather interesting sliding yin and yang.
There is also that perform isn't really meant to be used frequently let alone impromptu. Most forums are of the consensus that it's meant to be like a concert or similar such performances.
The rules don't explicitly say this though and so I'm absolutely not going to force that. However, it, without a doubt, completely eclipses the profession rules.

And, by the way, the current 50 percent penalty is from a downtime event you rolled (and you have 3 more events I plan to roll out today). I didn't do the 50 percent because 'bUrN ThE Op tHiNg wItH FiRe!!!' like some ass hat GM's do. However, I feel that it is probably causing you to feel pressured and inspiring you to be resistant to more penalties... Please confirm if this is accurate.

If you handle that first event, the 50 percent penalty will go away.
Enoch
player, 71 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 23:35
  • msg #600

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 599):



Note, this is not an argument... I can't actually find anything on that,  but it makes sense, since you can purchase these spellbooks, and in previous editions these spellbooks were supposed to be treasure.
The Meta
GM, 280 posts
Wed 20 May 2020
at 23:45
  • msg #601

Re: OOC Yes

I'm sorry if it sounded like I took you for arguing, I did not.

Just was clarifying with my understanding of the rules. And now that I'm home, I'll also post a link for those rules.
Enoch
player, 72 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 01:58
  • msg #602

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 601):



No no no
I was speaking for me.
You are fine. I just wanted you to understand, with my statement that I could find nothing on it, wasn't meant as a challenge.
Aithne
player, 94 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Thu 21 May 2020
at 02:02
  • msg #603

Re: OOC Yes

I have to ask...we have a tavern thread??   *confused*
Enoch
player, 73 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 02:13
  • msg #604

Re: OOC Yes




Possibly, but usually when a female gunslinger enters a tavern, someone usually ends up kicking the bucket.

If they are smart they won't let you in

:D
Blythe
player, 9 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 02:27
  • msg #605

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aithne (msg # 603):

I'll be offering a "magic shop" thread soon, that allows ya'll to communicate via notes with each other through my character. I'll help everyone set up adventuring parties, I'll communicate and link up people that could use each other's skills, etc.
The Meta
GM, 282 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 03:33
  • msg #606

Re: OOC Yes

Lol, I dunno. Aithne has been going there for a few weeks now and it's been alright so far. They had a party too... though, they almost ran out of food at one point.

Aithne, not quite titled tavern but... ya.
link to a message in this game

Also, I forgot to post this:
Enoch and Mako
https://aonprd.com/Spellbooks.aspx
it's everything about the pre made spell books, including spell books that come with preparation rituals.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:35, Thu 21 May 2020.
Aisent
player, 145 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 21 May 2020
at 11:26
  • msg #607

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry been out of it this week, my grandma had some strokes and been a rough week.
Ranos
player, 15 posts
Elan Psion
Thu 21 May 2020
at 12:41
  • msg #608

Re: OOC Yes

I was wondering how we start with posting
The Meta
GM, 283 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 12:54
  • msg #609

Re: OOC Yes

ranos, you tell me when you are ready, I lock your sheet and then check it... if your sheet is good then I add you to a your relevant groups.

Aisent, Rough weeks are rough :( I get it
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:29, Thu 21 May 2020.
Mako
player, 43 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Thu 21 May 2020
at 14:54
  • msg #610

Re: OOC Yes

Hey Boss.

Can rituals be enacted by non-spellcasters?

Can Spellcasting services paid for enact a ritual on behalf of another?
Enoch
player, 74 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 16:31
  • msg #611

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 610):




Mako, if you don't have access to spells via your class, and I have no idea what that is, then you'll need to either establish a team with a spell caster in it, via the down time system, or hire someone specificly for that service, which you could pay with the spell knowledge in said book.

Enoch is an alchemist, so while he couldn't benefit from the book you are referring to, he could gain the services of someone that could do it for him. There is another book that is geared for alchemists that I'm thinking about buying.
The Meta
GM, 284 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 18:32
  • msg #612

Re: OOC Yes

Enoch, How are you coming along with your sheet?
Mako
player, 44 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Thu 21 May 2020
at 18:47
  • msg #613

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 611):

Thank you. That IS a good way to pay for the Services. Eventually my UMD will be high enough to do it myself.
Enoch
player, 75 posts
Thu 21 May 2020
at 18:59
  • msg #614

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 612):



Its never good when the DM asks this question.

Just joshing. Somebody put a  file container on my desk, and crushed the flash drive with said information on it. The work files and most of the other things were backed up, but not that. So having to start over from scratch.

And now to an important question, is Craft clockworks a skill? I know clockwork constructs require craft construct, but if someone wanted to craft something like a clockwork cart, what crafting skill would be required for that?
The Meta
GM, 285 posts
Fri 22 May 2020
at 00:21
  • msg #615

Re: OOC Yes

I'm really not sure, so I looked it up:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathf...raft_clockwork_uses/

https://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1388832309858.pdf
quote:
For example, Erlic is going to craft a clockwork dancer to entertain the king. This is a very complex task,and faces a DC 20 with a 2 week time unit. Furthermore, Erlic wants to use darkwood for the mechanism,yielding DC 22 and a 3 week time unit. Fortunately, Erlic has 10 ranks in Craft (clockwork mechanism).His expertise reduces the time unit to 5 days. He scores a 27 on his Craft check, further reducing the timeunit to 2 days.


Also, at risk of encouraging enterprising and creativity (*tongue in cheek*):
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2...ting-clockwork-items
(I may allow some homebrewing, but it has to be earned with actual effort and must, absolutely must, be done in game).
Enoch
player, 76 posts
Fri 22 May 2020
at 02:13
  • [deleted]
  • msg #616

Re: OOC Yes

This message was deleted by the player at 02:14, Fri 22 May 2020.
The Meta
GM, 286 posts
Fri 22 May 2020
at 13:41
  • msg #617

Re: OOC Yes

Blythe, I think I added you to the general spaces for rp play last night. If I didn't then just know I thought I did and will make sure I do in 4 hours
Ranos
player, 16 posts
Elan Psion
Sat 23 May 2020
at 12:37
  • msg #618

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 609):

Could you have a look at my sheet ? I'm ready to get started
Blythe
player, 12 posts
Sat 23 May 2020
at 20:08
  • msg #619

Re: OOC Yes

Blythe was planning on starting off somewhere in the lands other than the water. He, quite literally, doesn't want to travel over water. What are other options?
Enoch
player, 77 posts
Sat 23 May 2020
at 20:30
  • msg #620

Re: OOC Yes

journey by airship.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 5 posts
Sat 23 May 2020
at 20:38
  • msg #621

Re: OOC Yes

Put head in hands.

I am in another game and airship is bad idea.
journey of the dammed for the players but for this game airship sounds good to me.
Aithne
player, 95 posts
Human
Gunslinger
Sat 23 May 2020
at 21:22
  • msg #622

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Enoch (msg # 620):

Or try flapping your arms really fast.
Enoch
player, 78 posts
Sat 23 May 2020
at 21:26
  • msg #623

Re: OOC Yes

There are ways to protect the balloon... both magical and non-magical.  Just saying.  There are also flying carpets and other things that fly, even mountains turned upside down. .

Netheral how I remember you.

There are also elvish teleportation gates.   I'll add link to this later, very nifty.
Kalven
player, 88 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sat 23 May 2020
at 22:27
  • msg #624

Re: OOC Yes

Silverdale Blindeye:
Put head in hands.

I am in another game and airship is bad idea.
journey of the dammed for the players but for this game airship sounds good to me.



We'll see be wary of the flying spiders.....

Since I've planned my thing out with it I hope it works out okay :)
The Meta
GM, 289 posts
Wed 27 May 2020
at 03:30
  • msg #625

Re: OOC Yes

new post fixed for airship scene.

Aisent, please see my request for you, you may do rolls for next round as well, if youd like. and you may post what I requested in the meta hash thread, also if youd like.

For those waiting on me for things, I will get to them soon.
The Meta
GM, 291 posts
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 07:05
  • msg #626

Re: OOC Yes

i'm not sure why things suddenly got so quiet, a lot is happening in the U.S. though so it's reasonable.

I will post an update to the airship scene tomorrow.
Aisent
player, 150 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 15:31
  • msg #627

Re: OOC Yes

I think all us in the airship posted :)

I do not believe the riots and such are organic....someone organized and paid for them, I'm pretty sure...
Mako
player, 45 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Mon 1 Jun 2020
at 15:37
  • msg #628

Re: OOC Yes

Are you waiting on anything from me?
The Meta
GM, 292 posts
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 02:42
  • msg #629

Re: OOC Yes

I see that aisent, thank you.
The Meta
GM, 293 posts
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 06:23
  • msg #630

Re: OOC Yes

I was surprised by family hot pot and now it's late. I'm sorry airship crew, it's going to be another post incoming tomorrow notice for the night.

Mako, you hadnt told me you were ready.
Mako
player, 46 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 07:36
  • msg #631

Re: OOC Yes

Ah. Well, assuming that my assertments about the spellbook and getting someone to perform the ritual for me are accurate, I think my sheet is ready for review, and I'm ready to get started.
The Meta
GM, 294 posts
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 18:20
  • msg #632

Re: OOC Yes

quote:
Using Preparation Rituals

Using Preparation Rituals

When a spellcaster who prepares spells uses a spellbook or formula book with a preparation ritual, as long as he prepares at least three spells (not including cantrips) or formulae from the spellbooks, he gains a temporary boon granted by the ritual. The boon lasts until its effect is spent (as specified by the boon description) or the spellcaster prepares spells again (at which time it can be reapplied by preparing at least three spells from the book). A spellcaster can only take the effect of one preparation ritual when she prepares spells, no matter how many spellbooks with preparation rituals she uses to prepare spells. Spells in this section A superscript “S” (S) indicates a spell from the caster's specialty school, whereas a superscript “OP” (OP) indicates a spell from the spellbook creator's opposition school.



http://legacy.aonprd.com/ultim...agic/spellbooks.html

quote:
When a spellcaster who prepares spells uses a spellbook or formula book with a preparation ritual, as long as he prepares at least three spells (not including cantrips) or formulae from the spellbooks, he gains a temporary boon granted by the ritual.


It seems to me, only the person preparing spells can benefit from the preparation ritual. If you can prepare, I would even allow alchemists preparing formula's to count since they also have preparation rituals, you can use the ritual. If you cant, you cant.
Mako
player, 47 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Tue 2 Jun 2020
at 18:48
  • msg #633

Re: OOC Yes

Can UMD emulate spell preparation for purposes of unlocking a ritual?
Enoch
player, 79 posts
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 00:48
  • msg #634

Re: OOC Yes

If you learned of the ritual as part of a prepared spellbook, prepared formula book, prepared meditation book, or prepared prair  book, then you have to  have at least three spells, or formulas from the book.

You can't get around this, can't UMD, can't sing, or dance, or mechaSheva around it.

This is if the ritual is gained from  a prepared source. It is possible however to learn rituals from other sources, but in all cases rituals have certain conditions associated with them,  and those conditions have to be met. As I've said before, Mako, if you aren't a spellcaster, then either hire one, or obtain one through the downtime system, or discuss a plan with the Meta to ttry and gain the ritual through another means other than via a prepared spellbook. I forget what ritual you want, so can't recall if there is already other ritual forms for the one in question, and yes some rituals don't require you to be a spell caster, or require a UMD check (no ritual allows for a UMD check that I'm aware to get around its requirements),  but if you tell me the ritual, I'll check into if there is another existing means for getting the ritual already listed in source material.  Keep in mind all the rituals if not from a prepared book aren't easy to  perform, usually requiring more than one person, and multiple checks.  If you want I can link you to a few rituals to demonstrate what I mean.

I'll try and check back in tomorrow, but as a crisis shelter volunteer, and given current matters, as you can understand I'm a bit on the busy  side.
The Meta
GM, 295 posts
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 00:54
  • msg #635

Re: OOC Yes

Mako
player, 48 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 07:11
  • msg #636

Re: OOC Yes

Emulate a Class Feature: Sometimes you need to use a class feature to activate a magic item. In this case, your effective level in the emulated class equals your Use Magic Device check result minus 20. This skill does not let you actually use the class feature of another class. It just lets you activate items as if you had that class feature. If the class whose feature you are emulating has an alignment requirement, you must meet it, either honestly or by emulating an appropriate alignment with a separate Use Magic Device check (see above).


In my case, the Class Feature is Spell preparation. So if I make a DC 21 check for UMD, I can emulate the preparation of a level 1 spell.


The ritual in question is

Efficient Creator (Su) You can spend this boon to use the magic item creation rules to create items with the Craft skill for one day. When doing this, your material costs are equal to half the final value of the item crafted (rather than the normal 1/3 of the cost for using the Craft skill). You can craft items with a cost greater than 1,000 gp by expending this boon over successive days, in the same way magic items with a cost over 1,000 gp can be crafted over multiple days. You otherwise follow all the rules and options for magic item creations.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:12, Wed 03 June 2020.
Enoch
player, 80 posts
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 15:58
  • msg #637

Re: OOC Yes

From the Ocult book, regarding rituals we have this.
quote:
For those rituals that have been found in prepared spellbooks, prare  books, formual books, or meditation books, if the individual wishes to  obtain the ritual in question, then a use magic device check can be attempted to obtain the ritual benefits for three spells if those spells are level one only. If the book in question does not have three level one spells present, thenthe player can attempt a spell craft check to understand the principles of the ritual, and if successful can then attempt a UMD check equal to three level one spells to attempt to gain the benafits of that ritual. DMs are free to construct rituals by other means


From here it goes into the rules for constructing occult rituals and what have you.    For some reason my PDF of this book doesn't allow me to directly copy and paste, so I'm paraphrasing slightly. In either case, Mako, best of luck to you, because that's a fair number of roles at a relatively high number   at level one.
Mako
player, 49 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 16:15
  • msg #638

Re: OOC Yes

The spellbook contains

1st—alarm, anticipate peril, expeditious construction, floating disk, hold portal, magic missile, protection from chaos, unseen servant

So lots of 1st lvl spells.

So what is the DC for obtaining the ritual? DC 21?
Enoch
player, 81 posts
Wed 3 Jun 2020
at 16:26
  • msg #639

Re: OOC Yes

Yes, and you can't take ten or twenty on it.

You got to role.

Also, if you faile  you got to wait twenty-four hours before you can try again.  Well, you can also get someone else to try it, but your character has to do the waiting game.
The Meta
GM, 297 posts
Thu 4 Jun 2020
at 23:17
  • msg #640

Re: OOC Yes

Preparing spells could technically be considered the spell casting feature... I guess... As it is an aspect of said feature. And you can umd spells... Too... I was kind not against letting you umd but my brain is starting to see the logic of it.

And enoch just presented what appears to be actual rules run just that way.

Sounds like a green light to me mako. I'm probably going to research what enoch found but assume yes for now
The Meta
GM, 298 posts
Fri 5 Jun 2020
at 16:09
  • msg #641

Re: OOC Yes

Airship post incoming
Blythe
player, 13 posts
Fri 5 Jun 2020
at 19:36
  • msg #642

Re: OOC Yes

Hey guys, I'm bowing out of the game.

Thanks for the initial gameplay, and RP fun that we all had! Have a great rest of the year, and hopefully I'll see you sometime soon!
Aisent
player, 153 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 6 Jun 2020
at 14:20
  • msg #643

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry to hear you are going to leave, I'd love to get more of us together :)

If you got scared about my numbers in the die roller keep in mind I'm one of the folks that started with the huge amount of gold, but I didn't want to be a ruler, so all of my gold is in equipment...don't cast detect magic on me...safe to assume almost everything is magical....
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 6 posts
Sat 6 Jun 2020
at 14:54
  • msg #644

Re: OOC Yes


Just to let you know that even though Blythe is leving the idea of magic shop is not dead.

I was working behind the scenes with Blythe.  I had the idea before I joined the game.
My shop will not be of power or standard Blythe would have been.
I started with basic gold.  However I hope to build my shop up.
Even have a network of shops and player working for me if possible.
Kalven
player, 92 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sat 6 Jun 2020
at 15:38
  • msg #645

Re: OOC Yes

Once established us dwarves would be happy to trade with you, perhaps even provide the masterwork items needed to make magical items.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 7 posts
Sat 6 Jun 2020
at 16:23
  • msg #646

Re: OOC Yes

Hi Kalven.

Ah, being a Lord of the Rings Fan.

I have two card games, two rule book systems and play Lord of rings on line (life time account).
If I remember elves trading with dwarves tends to go baddy for both.



Jokes aside.
You may want hire some of my services to help you establish yourself.
Once your established then I sure we can help each other.
Kalven
player, 93 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sat 6 Jun 2020
at 16:44
  • msg #647

Re: OOC Yes

I wish I had a few more combat types on the Airship. Something I'm going to have to get soon.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 8 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Sat 6 Jun 2020
at 17:41
  • msg #648

Re: OOC Yes

Well Silberdale is healer for hire.
Cost 100 gp per game day.
(Membership of Free-Port Training group would reduce this).
He will not attack anything other than vermin.
He also stay well out the way of any battles.
Normally he stay in Port Town but I think an Airship would be safe enough base for him to stay on.
Could also do some crafting when not needed.
The Meta
GM, 300 posts
Tue 9 Jun 2020
at 06:25
  • msg #649

Re: OOC Yes

Enoc, I am not finding the occult book that contains that text, could you tell me the exact title or paizo product code?
Enoch
player, 82 posts
Tue 9 Jun 2020
at 13:36
  • msg #650

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 649):

The pdf title is "Occult Adventures, second printing."   its under occult rituals. Let me know if that doesn't help.
The Meta
GM, 301 posts
Fri 12 Jun 2020
at 18:47
  • msg #651

Re: OOC Yes

not feeling too well and took the day off, also going to probably take tomorrow off, will probably post today but not sure.
Aisent
player, 154 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 12 Jun 2020
at 21:13
  • msg #652

Re: OOC Yes

I hope and pray you get to feeling better. Take some time.
Ranos
player, 17 posts
Elan Psion
Fri 12 Jun 2020
at 22:47
  • msg #653

Re: OOC Yes

get wel soon, hope it´s nothing to bad
The Meta
GM, 302 posts
Sun 14 Jun 2020
at 18:21
  • msg #654

Re: OOC Yes

ok, I feel better now, post incoming today
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 9 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Sun 14 Jun 2020
at 20:13
  • msg #655

Re: OOC Yes

Glad you feeling better

If you need brake from posting can you check over my character sheet and tell me what I need do next to set my shop up.

Thanks.
The Meta
GM, 304 posts
Mon 15 Jun 2020
at 05:53
  • msg #656

Re: OOC Yes

I'll have you up and in soon, silver. sorry it's taken so long.
Ranos
player, 18 posts
Elan Psion
Mon 15 Jun 2020
at 09:18
  • msg #657

Re: OOC Yes

Take your time, it's oke
The Meta
GM, 305 posts
Fri 19 Jun 2020
at 13:29
  • msg #658

Re: OOC Yes

Feeling really good, probably going to get most of my to do list done either today or this weekend. For sures will do a post for the airship scene and get a few people's sheets checked and approved.
The Meta
GM, 307 posts
Mon 22 Jun 2020
at 06:01
  • msg #659

Re: OOC Yes

Silverdale, your sheet looks good so far. I will add your services to the city thread you are in and get your group privileges changed soon.
Arkrim
GM, 7 posts
Co-GM
Thu 25 Jun 2020
at 15:35
  • msg #660

Re: OOC Yes

Greetings all. I'm going to be helping out Meta with stuff. I'm going to be getting up to speed over the next few days, but don't be surprised to see responses from me to, soonish.
Aisent
player, 157 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 25 Jun 2020
at 15:41
  • msg #661

Re: OOC Yes

Okay :)
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 10 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Thu 25 Jun 2020
at 17:50
  • msg #662

Re: OOC Yes

Welcome.

Hopefully you be able help and guide me in setting up and crafting items for players.
The Meta
GM, 308 posts
Mon 29 Jun 2020
at 12:59
  • msg #663

Re: OOC Yes

ok, that was a relatively unexcusable absence on my part. I will be posting later today and know that I am sorry.
Aisent
player, 158 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 29 Jun 2020
at 16:09
  • msg #664

Re: OOC Yes

RL hits us all, thanks for the update hope you are well.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 11 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Mon 29 Jun 2020
at 17:41
  • msg #665

Re: OOC Yes

Quick question.

1) What the basic cost of a very room nothing else per week.

2) Is is ok to use my Craft: Carpentry (Int) like it Perfection and roll per week to work as carpenter?
(I realize I need make some basic money before setting up my magic stop).

3) Long term tart.  What the cost of basic house like 2 up 2 down?

Thanks.
Arkrim
GM, 8 posts
Co-GM
Mon 29 Jun 2020
at 19:32
  • msg #666

Re: OOC Yes

Silverdale Blindeye:
Quick question.

1) What the basic cost of a very room nothing else per week.

2) Is is ok to use my Craft: Carpentry (Int) like it Perfection and roll per week to work as carpenter?
(I realize I need make some basic money before setting up my magic stop).

3) Long term tart.  What the cost of basic house like 2 up 2 down?

Thanks.


For 2 and three see the info in this thread
link to a message in this game
the link to the down time system will help you answer the information regarding if you can earn income as a carpenter, which is yes, and will tell you how to do that. The thread linked to above will tell you the format for handling daily and weekly actions in regards to how you can go about building your house and shop.

While as far as I know Meta hasn't stated the price for buying land for building a house/ shop inside the port town, the only town where it matters, I don't think it would cost more than 5 sp, or the amount of a day's work for an untrained worker, given the relative newness of the location. If you need further information or help let me know, and I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 13 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Mon 29 Jun 2020
at 19:53
  • msg #667

Re: OOC Yes

Arkrim.  Thanks for getting back to me.

I do not have access to the link you posted.
Which maybe why I did not know about it.

If I spend 5gp can I get a plot of land to live on and build on?
Would you want a Diplomacy check to see how good or bad my plot of land is how much land I get for my 5gp and what sort of location it is in?
Arkrim
GM, 9 posts
Co-GM
Mon 29 Jun 2020
at 20:00
  • msg #668

Re: OOC Yes

I don't think that it would be that expensive,  but that's me. Meta will have the final say. In the meantime, look over the downtime rules here,
https://aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?...tegory=Gamemastering
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:07, Mon 29 June 2020.
The Meta
GM, 309 posts
Tue 30 Jun 2020
at 01:58
  • msg #669

Re: OOC Yes

Fixed access issue.

Silver, currently there is no pre set costs to acquire land though be advised that you are by the port town and it is common etiquette to talk to the local lord or lady before trying to claim land they likely already own. some situations probably get free passes (unnoficial tent city immigrant quarters outside of town, that hermit shack out in the woods, etc etc).

just dont want to see you get a bad start.
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:02, Tue 30 June 2020.
Kalven
player, 96 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Tue 30 Jun 2020
at 02:40
  • msg #670

Re: OOC Yes

Another Elf? Has the other elves approached them? Perhaps they could join our band of dwarves and elves?
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 15 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Tue 30 Jun 2020
at 10:59
  • msg #671

Re: OOC Yes

The Meta:
Fixed access issue.

Silver, currently there is no pre set costs to acquire land though be advised that you are by the port town and it is common etiquette to talk to the local lord or lady before trying to claim land they likely already own. some situations probably get free passes (unnoficial tent city immigrant quarters outside of town, that hermit shack out in the woods, etc etc).

just dont want to see you get a bad start.


Hi Meta.
I posted in my first weeks action to go to the town hall (or local lord if no town hall) and buy some land for 5gp.  I have no intention of squatting.
I also rolled Diplomacy check to see how successful I was at doing this (result 21).
Would you be kind enough to post an update under my post if I was successful or not and how much land I got.  If the land has any building on it already.

Would be great.  Hope this ok ask this.  Thank.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:01, Tue 30 June 2020.
Arkrim
GM, 10 posts
Co-GM
Tue 30 Jun 2020
at 14:36
  • msg #672

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Silverdale Blindeye (msg # 671):

I’d suggest you post in the “New Port Town” thread”, perhaps paying the five gold access fee, and asking the collector who is in charge and how one might go about buying land, etc. Given Meta’s post, this is something that can’t be handled via downtime, which is understandable,     and the new port town thread would be a good way to handle it.

As for your other downtime activities, I’ll handle those later today… well what is later today for me.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 17 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Tue 30 Jun 2020
at 14:49
  • msg #673

Re: OOC Yes

Thanks Arkim - I have done as you suggested.
Arkrim
GM, 12 posts
Co-GM
Tue 14 Jul 2020
at 23:04
  • msg #674

Re: OOC Yes


Sorry folks RL has been keeping me very busy, but should have something up this evening. Silverdale and Mako will be seeing replies from me first.
Finaril
player, 71 posts
Elven Wizard
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 06:26
  • msg #675

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry real life has struck and I haven't been online much, should ease up towards the end of the week. Apologies for any hold ups.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 20 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Wed 15 Jul 2020
at 10:07
  • msg #676

Re: OOC Yes

Arkrim:
Sorry folks RL has been keeping me very busy, but should have something up this evening. Silverdale and Mako will be seeing replies from me first.


I totally understand having been Gm on this site myself in past.
With current situation in most counties being both strange and stressful.
It even more of problem.  Happy to work though everything as and when.

Just stay calm and stay safe.  Then smile.  It good to just smile.
Sightless
GM, 15 posts
Co-GM
Fri 17 Jul 2020
at 20:55
  • msg #677

Re: OOC Yes

Right, folks, do to a little hiccup involving someone that was originally co-DM, before me, and who I was given there name by accident, there has been a name change. Meta is still the big boss, and I'm still wingman, but I've gotten a new name.  Downtime stuff is in progress.
The Meta
GM, 313 posts
Sun 19 Jul 2020
at 05:31
  • msg #678

Re: OOC Yes

XD 'big boss'

I havent been so boss lately, feeling kinda icky about it too. give me a little more time though, I really appreciate the patients, I should be out of my low soon. my job is going great, thankfully, im just not doing much anything else.
Mako
player, 50 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Sun 19 Jul 2020
at 08:32
  • msg #679

Re: OOC Yes

Hey Boss. Sightless wanted me to post with others, but I don't know if he knows how to add me to a Group that can access those threads.
Ranos
player, 19 posts
Elan Psion
Mon 20 Jul 2020
at 08:28
  • msg #680

Re: OOC Yes

i'm still waiting for approval as wel but i don't mind waiting longer
Sightless
GM, 19 posts
Co-GM
Tue 21 Jul 2020
at 03:20
  • msg #681

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Mako (msg # 679):



In reply to Ranos (msg # 680):
I thought you were already approved.  I know  The Meta said  something about looking over your sheet, if I don't hear anything back soon, I will listen to your sheet and then let you know if there are any changes, then try and get you approved. Blind user and all  so things are a bit different from me. Still I'll try and figure things out if I have to.
Aisent
player, 163 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 27 Jul 2020
at 22:15
  • msg #682

Re: OOC Yes

just got a new keyboard will try to catch up tomorrow
The Meta
GM, 315 posts
Wed 29 Jul 2020
at 18:44
  • msg #683

Re: OOC Yes

I just want to make sure you all understand I feel really guilty for being so absent, I was actually seriously thinking of how I should take responsibility for this... I thought about suspending the game(I do intend to pick up later) but those still here put too much effort in just to have it closed on them like that, and I wont do that to you. I thought about handing it off but then I couldnt pick it back up later unless I somehow found someone i trusted. I dont trust like that so I cant bring myself to hand it off.

So please know, I have really been beating myself up about my absence. I will continue to try to do what I can for those still participating and I really really appreciate my co gm who recently signed up to HELP but has absolutely already basically been the only person doing anything. I'm sorry I've done this to you and I really appreciate you.

I just got sent home for covid ada issues, and i'm well rested, and I expect im probably going to be home now for a bit so hopefully I will be here more. I dont want to give false hope though so just know I am trying and I do feel guilty for how shitty a gm I am being.
Aisent
player, 164 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 29 Jul 2020
at 20:54
  • msg #684

Re: OOC Yes

I hope you are getting well.

I appreciate the effort :), I'll try to get posts up later today :)
Mako
player, 51 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Wed 29 Jul 2020
at 22:12
  • msg #685

Re: OOC Yes

Take care of your health first. We'll still be here.
Sightless
GM, 22 posts
Co-GM
Thu 30 Jul 2020
at 00:08
  • msg #686

Re: OOC Yes

As everyone else has said, health first.
Sightless
GM, 27 posts
Co-GM
Tue 4 Aug 2020
at 01:10
  • msg #687

Re: OOC Yes


Ranos, I really, really appreciate your patients. I am reviewing your sheet now, and might have questions, so expect thos via PM. After that, I've found some information that will hopefully allow me to add you when all that is complete.
Ranos
player, 20 posts
Elan Psion
Tue 4 Aug 2020
at 07:23
  • msg #688

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Sightless (msg # 687):

no problem, i'm quite patient.

@The Meta please take care of yourself and your health first !
Aisent
player, 169 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 5 Aug 2020
at 23:46
  • msg #689

Re: OOC Yes

Will try to update tonight :)
Aisent
player, 170 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 17:41
  • msg #690

Re: OOC Yes

Been sick will get a update I hope tonight or tomorrow morning sorry
Ranos
player, 21 posts
Elan Psion
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 20:25
  • msg #691

Re: OOC Yes

don't be sorry, you were sick, you needed to get better
Sightless
GM, 28 posts
Co-GM
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 23:40
  • msg #692

Re: OOC Yes


This game isn't going anywhere, and lord knows I've been busy this week.
The Meta
GM, 316 posts
Sat 15 Aug 2020
at 03:28
  • msg #693

Re: OOC Yes

its gotta be the heat, my job has really been wearing me down too... but I just got a lateral transfer that feels like a promotion so yay.
Aisent
player, 171 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 15 Aug 2020
at 19:14
  • msg #694

Re: OOC Yes

Congrats, oh and maybe I have COVID 19, possibly exposed by CNA Friday :(
Ranos
player, 22 posts
Elan Psion
Sat 15 Aug 2020
at 19:45
  • msg #695

Re: OOC Yes

oh no D: hope you don't have it
Sightless
GM, 29 posts
Co-GM
Sat 22 Aug 2020
at 17:02
  • msg #696

Re: OOC Yes

Life is being totally disruptive to my plans... again.

Expect posts tonight to you that need it. To those of you that need something from me, give me a poke in your PM threads.
Aisent
player, 173 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 22 Aug 2020
at 17:39
  • msg #697

Re: OOC Yes

Thanks :)
Sightless
GM, 30 posts
Co-GM
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 02:18
  • msg #698

Re: OOC Yes

And then the RPOL surver for my area went down, adding another complication to my plans. I'm working on posts now.
Aisent
player, 174 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 02:26
  • msg #699

Re: OOC Yes

Been out for a day for me too mate.
Mako
player, 52 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 05:00
  • msg #700

Re: OOC Yes

Out for 4 days in my area.
Sightless
GM, 33 posts
Co-GM
Tue 25 Aug 2020
at 00:16
  • msg #701

Re: OOC Yes

Right, now the airship folks have their post. Time to check on PMs and new possible PCS.
Sightless
GM, 34 posts
Co-GM
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 04:29
  • msg #702

Re: OOC Yes

As some of you might know, a hurricane is going to be hitting Texas and  Louisianna  soonish, as someone involved in crisis response, I'm going to be kind of busy, not sure just yet how busy, since the National Guard helps to determine how many non-state resources get activated. I'll try and keep posts a going, the Paladin's got hers, Mako  you'll get yours tomorrow, and I'll hop on others as time permits and they do moving and shaking. Anyhow, this is merely to keep you all on the up and up. This is Sightless, peace out.
Aisent
player, 175 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 27 Aug 2020
at 15:38
  • msg #703

Re: OOC Yes

I'll post soon for airship :) well sometime today
Sightless
GM, 36 posts
Co-GM
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 18:13
  • msg #704

OOC Yes

Silverdale, sorry for the delay, been busy. I'm going to need you to tell me if your last roll was for a knowledge nature or a diplomacy check to find herbalists. Also if you have any questions about your other downtime threads let me know.
Aisent
player, 178 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 7 Sep 2020
at 18:43
  • msg #705

OOC Yes

I need to know results of our die rolls as we didn't roll to good.....and that could be bad...
Sightless
GM, 38 posts
Co-GM
Tue 8 Sep 2020
at 01:38
  • msg #706

OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 705):


Internet ate my post, but I had it saved, so there you go.

In the future, if you don't get a post in three days, give me a poke, since I don't always check afterwards.  I won't mind the poke, even if I've said I might be busy what have you, because sometimes I need to go and check to make sure everything's posted. I know other DMs don't always feel this way, but  as for me, I don't mind.
The Meta
GM, 318 posts
Wed 9 Sep 2020
at 20:21
  • msg #707

OOC Yes

hey, popped in now that my hand has healed a bit (got a laceration on my hand).

as said above, I recently got a laceration on my hand, but also I was laid off from my job. they said it was because my contract was canceled without a reason but im pretty sure it was covid related.

will try to answer any questions I see I needed to, even if they are old.

for CR:
Aisent and sightless
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:19, Wed 09 Sept 2020.
Aisent
player, 180 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 10 Sep 2020
at 21:00
  • msg #708

OOC Yes

What sort of rolls do I need to keep the ship going?
Kalven
player, 105 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Thu 10 Sep 2020
at 21:01
  • msg #709

OOC Yes

Sorry that you got hurt and then laid off, tough times.

I hope you make a full recovery and can get new employment.

Normally a 2nd Diplomacy check doesn't work maybe Kalven should take the wheel and Aisent should try to calm folks :)
Sightless
GM, 40 posts
Co-GM
Thu 10 Sep 2020
at 22:44
  • msg #710

OOC Yes


Without spoiling some important material, I asked the dwarf to make a leadership check, which would be his level, plus his Charisma modifier, plus the d20 roll. if he had made some kind of speech or tried by some other means to reassure the crew in regards to the presence of the storm and the dragon, then diplomacy would needed to be added to this check. The leadership roll was a passive factor against the fear that the perceived presence of the dragon and the storm caused among the crew. Note, I didn't ask anyone roll a Will save: this is important to keep in mind. If Kalven added ranks in diplomacy to the previous roll - - I don't remember off the top of my head if Kalven        even has ranks in the skill - - then said points would need to be removed. The purpose of the leadership roll was to see if the crew  would continue to remain at their tasks, when encountering a perceived threat of considerable  form. Mostly, they did, one did not.

As for getting the ship back on course, you have a compass right? You have an idea what direction you want the ship to go in, right? You have maps, right? if somebody has ranks in geography, or sailing, or survival, they can help.  Also, I've been known to sometimes toss players a bone here or there if they roleplay things well, or think about it. If you provide a rationale for the use of a skill  that works for why a skill was used, then I might go with it.

If the paladin uses strength to try and return the ship's bow back to where she thinks it was previously, in combination to where  someone realizes where the proper course might be from consulting map and compass, and so on, then depending on rolls and roleplay, the ship might go back on course. If not, then you might need another day to get to where you need to go.
Aisent
player, 181 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 16 Sep 2020
at 21:44
  • msg #711

OOC Yes

Dang I forgot to come back and post :(, I'll try to have posts up this evening or in morning :)
Sightless
GM, 41 posts
Co-GM
Wed 16 Sep 2020
at 23:32
  • msg #712

OOC Yes



post whenever, I might borrow one of your weapons to use on somebody over here who's going to win jerkweed  award  for the year, which is  saying something.

Between that and somebody tossing flaming trash through a window... breaking said window in the process, I've been a little busy.

Mako, I'll get to you tonight or tomorrow.
Aisent
player, 182 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 17 Sep 2020
at 03:14
  • msg #713

OOC Yes

My problem has been my grandma who has kept everyone up since Monday, no sleep, sorry, and she had another spell end of last week. Finally she's got some meds and sleeping hopefully this will improve things.Going to post when I get up :), after I have some sleep.

This has been more challenging than I thought it would be so far :), that's not bad, just didn't expect just finding a spot to be so hard :).
Sightless
GM, 47 posts
Co-GM
Sat 26 Sep 2020
at 01:16
  • msg #714

OOC Yes

Kalven and company, it might be as late as Sunday before I get a post to you... nothing will happen until you reach land and nothing will immediately happen after you send a party out. After that is up in the air.

Mako, and everyone else, I'll try and have posts up by Sunday as well, hopefully a little before, but I'm kind of busy with volunteer activities.
Mako
player, 53 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Sat 26 Sep 2020
at 02:52
  • msg #715

OOC Yes

R/L takes precedence, especially when you selflessly volunteer to help others.
Aisent
player, 187 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 26 Sep 2020
at 02:53
  • msg #716

OOC Yes

No Problem :)
Aisent
player, 188 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 1 Oct 2020
at 01:24
  • msg #717

OOC Yes

You okay Sightless?
Sightless
GM, 48 posts
Co-GM
Thu 1 Oct 2020
at 14:09
  • msg #718

OOC Yes

Yes.

Allow me to explain a few issues I'm running into, so you can understand delays in posting: before I write up your posts.

  1. As you no doubt know the American economy is not in the best shape due to the lockdowns. Georgia's economy is further compounded by the fact, like many states, overspending on the state level has been going on for a long, long time. Our current governor is trying to deal with some of that, before it completely destroys Georgia's economy. This means less money to volunteer organizations, and my agencies have to alter our  budgets accordingly to deal with llosses in funding from the state level. We already had some safety measures in place, as far as funding, but still, there's lots of planning that has to go on.

  2. Meta gave me a copy of the map, you guys are not supposed to see, and being blind, I sent it off to a friend to describe for me earlier this week. Unfortunately, he's been busy and little description has been given. This means that I kind of have to wing things. Mako, this doesn't impact you so much, but it does impact others.


Right, let me write posts, and we get this show back on the road.
Aisent
player, 189 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 1 Oct 2020
at 15:48
  • msg #719

OOC Yes

Thanks for all you do it had been a few days so wanted to check in you had said to poke you if it was several days.

It is common all over, and the worst is yet to come. The government should never have shut down the economy as it did, never before was that ever done. Things aren't good here in North Carolina either.

Thanks for helping run the game despite being blind, that's awesome :)
The Meta
GM, 319 posts
Sun 4 Oct 2020
at 08:25
  • msg #720

OOC Yes

ya, U.S. is going through a depression and I dont mean economically.

My own motivations are slowly coming back but as you said Aisent, the worst is still yet to come. Stay strong, guys.
Sightless
GM, 50 posts
Co-GM
Sun 4 Oct 2020
at 17:57
  • msg #721

OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 719):

You did the right thing. I want to give Kalven  a day or to to reply to anything if he wants to, and then after that you two shuld arrive.
Kalven
player, 110 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sun 4 Oct 2020
at 18:48
  • msg #722

OOC Yes

I did post before Aisent....I was talking to the NPCs
Sightless
GM, 51 posts
Co-GM
Sun 4 Oct 2020
at 19:36
  • msg #723

OOC Yes

And somehow I missed it. I'll edit after I listen to it.

There, all fixed.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:05, Sun 04 Oct 2020.
Sightless
GM, 57 posts
Co-GM
Thu 8 Oct 2020
at 21:11
  • msg #724

OOC Yes

Kalven, you should hopefully see a post in a dedicated thread to you regarding kingdom building. If you do not see this, and I'll see what I can do.
Aisent
player, 193 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 12 Oct 2020
at 12:25
  • msg #725

OOC Yes

Sorry to hear of your troubles :( Sightless.

By the 2nd Amendment Blind People are entitled to arms :), as are felons, that oft overlooked shall not be infringed.....so I am with you on that. I've known blind people that could fight and defeat a dozen sighted people simultaneously.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:27, Mon 12 Oct 2020.
Duinnal
player, 1 post
Explore and sailor
Mon 12 Oct 2020
at 22:51
  • msg #726

OOC Yes

Hi.

I been allowed a second character.
Would the two of you on the airship like a replacement elven ranger to join your crew?
This message was last edited by the player at 22:52, Mon 12 Oct 2020.
Kalven
player, 116 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Tue 13 Oct 2020
at 18:46
  • msg #727

OOC Yes

If the DM wants to swap them out or say you were along all the time that would be fine with me, it would be helpful I believe particularly now that we have arrived at Dragon Point and need some scouting going on.
The Meta
GM, 322 posts
Tue 13 Oct 2020
at 19:23
  • msg #728

OOC Yes

in light of communications between me and Aec, I'd rather not replace them.

However, I also absolutely empathize with Kalven's situation.

The second options seems most ideal, once Duinnal has finished their sheet and are approved for play... of course.
Duinnal
player, 2 posts
Explore and sailor
Tue 13 Oct 2020
at 19:44
  • msg #729

OOC Yes

Ok I sort of got my answer.

I try to get on with my character sheet and then I can join the crew as new member.
Kalven
player, 117 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Fri 16 Oct 2020
at 12:48
  • msg #730

OOC Yes

How close are you to being ready?
Duinnal
player, 3 posts
Explore and sailor
Fri 16 Oct 2020
at 15:00
  • msg #731

OOC Yes

Will be ready by end of Saturday.
Kalven
player, 118 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Fri 16 Oct 2020
at 18:31
  • msg #732

OOC Yes

Okay that's good :), maybe you can start soon with us then :)
Duinnal
player, 4 posts
Explore and sailor
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 16:58
  • msg #733

OOC Yes

I am sure I have made some mistakes but my character sheet is ready I am ready to join the Airship crew (if they still want me).
Kalven
player, 119 posts
Dwarf Brawler
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 17:12
  • msg #734

OOC Yes

Sure you are welcome sadly it would be really tedious to add you all to the posts that have happened before but we'll include you when I get stuff posted. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm suppose to post things outside of just the daily updates for our travel.
Duinnal
player, 5 posts
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 17:23
  • [deleted]
  • msg #735

OOC Yes

This message was deleted by the player at 17:24, Sat 17 Oct 2020.
Sightless
GM, 63 posts
Co-GM
Sat 17 Oct 2020
at 22:23
  • msg #736

OOC Yes

Answer to Kalven's question:
Sightless
GM, 65 posts
Co-GM
Fri 23 Oct 2020
at 19:08
  • msg #737

OOC Yes


Silverdale, and Mako, posts will be to you tonight, somebody damaged the line that connects my apartment complex to its internet service, whatever that thing is on the outside that provides cable to the rest of the complex, so phones and internet have been funky  until they got it fixed.
The Meta
GM, 324 posts
Sat 24 Oct 2020
at 23:53
  • msg #738

OOC Yes

Hey everyone, just want to send out notice that I am still here and ready to help move things.

But also, there is no rush because I recognize the election results is about a week from now.


Just letting you all know, as far as this space is concerned... everything is ok.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 29 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Sun 25 Oct 2020
at 01:20
  • msg #739

OOC Yes

No unfortunately we got wait until 2024 for our next election to get rid of our idiot in-charge.

However I have to say although he is is an idiot and selfish, he has to a great or lesser degree done what best for the country and tried to do the best.  Listen and followed the scientist to large degree.  I not going to loses my job and I on full play.  I have a lot to be grateful for.
Sightless
GM, 66 posts
Co-GM
Sun 25 Oct 2020
at 03:06
  • msg #741

OOC Yes


Wireless is being a pain, I'll be reposting to folks, who didn't get my posts yesterday, since one clearly was lost to the ethe.  Before I get to that, let me point out that discussions on real world politics and real world religion are consider subjects to be avoided by the moderators of RPOL. So let's keep that in mind  going forward. Not pointing fingers or anything, just saying as a reminder.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 30 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Sun 25 Oct 2020
at 10:58
  • msg #742

OOC Yes

Not a problem Sightless.
Always happy to forget about the "Real" world and stick to talking about a more fun world.  :)
Feyrre Vanserra
player, 1 post
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 00:57
  • msg #743

OOC Yes


hiya

I'm a brand new player!  I probably sound like one too. Anyhow, working on character sheet, so I can get to playing with some of you  soon.
Aisent
player, 195 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 15:15
  • msg #744

OOC Yes

Welcome may Iomedae guide and protect you
The Meta
GM, 327 posts
Mon 2 Nov 2020
at 00:32
  • msg #745

OOC Yes

I tried doing a daily for zook and seem to have my math off by a lot.

it's kind of sad, like I'm laughing at myself.

well. anyways. letting you guys know so Kalven I am trying to figure out how I screwed up and it seems you may have a few players joining you soon.

I'm going to post the second and third day daily for zook to catch up since I feel bad how long you have been waiting (sorry, I keep offering guilt these days. I feel a lot more motivated, and the motivation is climbing, since like 4 months ago but it's still low.

It is also my intention to wait on some of the events (so i'll roll them later, meaning you guys are going to have a few consecutive problems) after the few players working on joining end up in. That way you guys can have more fun tackling them together.

hope all of this is ok.
Aisent
player, 196 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 2 Nov 2020
at 03:02
  • msg #746

OOC Yes

I'll try to have posts in morning :)
Mako
player, 54 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Mon 2 Nov 2020
at 04:46
  • msg #747

OOC Yes

Yeah, still working on my own response.
Sightless
GM, 68 posts
Co-GM
Tue 3 Nov 2020
at 00:11
  • msg #748

OOC Yes

Before anyone gets out the sticks and gives me a poke, its allowed I said so, be aware that I'm currently active with some important behind the scenes things, which includes getting people's characters ready, who have never played Pathfinder before, 3.5, yes, but never Pathfinder,  so some explanation is in order.     If I don't get to you until tomorrow, particularly you Silverdale and Mako, this is why.

Kalven, you and the Paladin will be getting people to  be tortured along with, I mean roleplay with, so all good, right.
The Meta
GM, 328 posts
Tue 3 Nov 2020
at 00:34
  • msg #749

OOC Yes

What?!? Torture!?!
Nooooo.... never...
>.>
<.<



Sightless
GM, 69 posts
Co-GM
Tue 3 Nov 2020
at 19:40
  • msg #750

OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 749):

Sometimes love looks like torture.

<_< >_>
Sightless
GM, 71 posts
Co-GM
Fri 6 Nov 2020
at 22:50
  • msg #751

OOC Yes


Attention carpenters, if you wish to build something with wood and can't find it on the D20 site, let me know, since between Arora's  catalog, and the dungenmaster's guide for first edition, there's not an object made from wood, indeed various types of wood, which I can't provide you the cost for.  Obviously, the downtime system still applies on top of this, but if you want to make individualized firnature pieces, and want to go deep and discuss specific types of wood, this can be arranged. As always, just Pm me about it, or post here.
Sightless
GM, 72 posts
Co-GM
Sun 8 Nov 2020
at 00:58
  • msg #752

OOC Yes


Attention please:
There has been some Greece in the works, followed by a small monkey wrench thrown into certain state governmental bodies that my Center For Independent Living (CIL) deals with, part of this is due to changes in Federal regulations that occurred do to the CDC, and I need to deal with it. This is why some folks are waiting on a post; it should come either really late tonight, or real early tomorrow.

Feyrre Vanserra
Sorceress, 2 posts
Sun 8 Nov 2020
at 02:09
  • msg #753

OOC Yes


Take your time hun, I mean, we can wait, since you can't expected to be perfect all the time.  I might ask the dwarf if I can go riding on that airship while you are gone.  Maybe ask the paladin why her armor is so shiny.
Duinnal
player, 6 posts
Explore and sailor
Sun 8 Nov 2020
at 10:38
  • msg #754

Re: OOC Yes

Feyrre Vanserra:
Take your time hun, I mean, we can wait, since you can't expected to be perfect all the time.  I might ask the dwarf if I can go riding on that airship while you are gone.  Maybe ask the paladin why her armor is so shiny.

And completely ignore the young sexy male elf because we all know deep down Feyrre Vanserra has a massive crush on him but would never admit it. Cut to amine clip of Duinnal walk past Feyrre Vanserra and she turns away to look at something very important in the middle distance that nobody else can see so she does not have to look at him (hiding her red blushing cheeks).

he he.

Running a role play campaign take time and any good player knows this.
Take care and take it easy everybody (I now entering my second lockdown this year).
Feyrre Vanserra
Sorceress, 3 posts
Sun 8 Nov 2020
at 16:33
  • msg #755

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Duinnal (msg # 754):



Fortunately I'm not but I live in South Dakota.  Also Feyrre's sister Nesta has more of a thing for elves, than she does. So if she blushes    when you are around its from the heat.
Feyrre Vanserra
Sorceress, 4 posts
Wed 11 Nov 2020
at 13:00
  • msg #756

Re: OOC Yes


Hey gang, I spoke to Sightless' player last night on his cell, his new apartment is supposed to have phone/ internet today or tomorrow, although it was supposed to have those things working before he moved in. Anyhow, for those of you waiting on DM goodness, this is why there are delays.
Mako
player, 55 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Wed 11 Nov 2020
at 19:38
  • msg #757

Re: OOC Yes

Not a problem, he's actually waiting on ME.
Sightless
GM, 73 posts
Co-GM
Mon 16 Nov 2020
at 16:43
  • msg #758

Re: OOC Yes





*runs in *

All right, all right, I'm here.  Stupid technical difficulties and other things getting in the way. Give me a bit and posts will be up for all that have been waiting, right after I double check to find out what went on while I was in the land of internet blackout.

Thank you all for your patients, but seriously, I had zero power over this.
The Meta
GM, 332 posts
Sat 21 Nov 2020
at 07:04
  • msg #759

Re: OOC Yes

Hey guys, with the return of Aecthelion, I am just waiting for sightless to do the intro for his new players before I start the events I have for you guys,
The Meta
GM, 333 posts
Sun 22 Nov 2020
at 21:58
  • msg #760

Re: OOC Yes

I currently working on a response to both finaril and silverdale.
Sightless
GM, 75 posts
Co-GM
Mon 23 Nov 2020
at 20:30
  • msg #761

Re: OOC Yes


right, one post is up in the travel thread, which is long overdo.

Feyrre's player and I had to straighten out a few things with the RPOL moderators, because we were thought to be the same person, and that same person was not an adult... we are both over the age of 18, but still the mods have to look into such things, and they have, and we are all clear. More posts on the way, like right now.
The Meta
GM, 334 posts
Tue 24 Nov 2020
at 00:12
  • msg #762

Re: OOC Yes

ya, the mods here can be frustratingly... steadfast...

glad to see you managed to get things resolved.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 36 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Tue 24 Nov 2020
at 00:17
  • msg #763

Re: OOC Yes

I made the mistake of putting my date of birth in wrong when joining an adult game.
Ended up with few problems over that mistake so understand it not always as simple as you think to solve.
Aisent
player, 200 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Thu 26 Nov 2020
at 04:33
  • msg #764

Re: OOC Yes

I'll try to post tomorrow
Isaac of Aithyr
Acolyte of Irori , 1 post
Thu 26 Nov 2020
at 16:52
  • msg #765

Re: OOC Yes


I’ll have a post up later today as well, but Duinnal can post before me, if he feels like it.
Aisent
player, 201 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 29 Nov 2020
at 14:43
  • msg #766

Re: OOC Yes

Might be tomorrow with the holidays :)
Aisent
player, 202 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 9 Dec 2020
at 15:40
  • msg #767

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry been sick :( try to catch up by weekend.
Sightless
GM, 78 posts
Co-GM
Thu 10 Dec 2020
at 01:30
  • msg #768

Re: OOC Yes




Internet, what did you do with my last two posts?

*sighs*

*Grumble  grumble  goes to track them down where he saved them*

Aisent, get better, I'd send you soup and juice, but well, I've not gotten my transporter yet, although its been on my wishlist  forever.

Right, there will be posts to some people before I sleep tonight.
Aisent
player, 203 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 16 Dec 2020
at 00:05
  • msg #769

Re: OOC Yes

I'm feeling a bit better so posts tomorrow
The Meta
GM, 337 posts
Mon 21 Dec 2020
at 08:36
  • msg #770

Re: OOC Yes

i've had an apathy spell, and been struggling with some rimworld troubleshooting, so i havent been here to post. Will try to post tomorrow.
Feyrre Vanserra
Player, 6 posts
Sorceress
Wed 23 Dec 2020
at 01:49
  • msg #771

Re: OOC Yes

Gang, Sightless' person is having computer troubles. his laptop might have taken a knife blow, or three, from some Anti Fa guys, but you didn't hear that from me.  Anyhow, he's got the new one, but he's got to get everything back on it.
Aisent
player, 205 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 23 Dec 2020
at 03:00
  • msg #772

Re: OOC Yes

Oh wow that's sad :(, hope he is okay
The Meta
GM, 339 posts
Wed 30 Dec 2020
at 21:00
  • msg #773

Re: OOC Yes

ok guys, holidays are almost over, just new years coming up. I'm hungover right now but will try to post tomorrow
Sightless
GM, 79 posts
Co-GM
Thu 31 Dec 2020
at 05:21
  • msg #774

Re: OOC Yes

right, I'm typing this one handed, because some anti-fa's lock blade broke off in my left arm, and even with the PT it still doesn't work one hundred percent. MAKO, you andSilver dale have posts being worked on, and should have them by some time tomorrow evening.

Feyrre go ahead and skip Isaac and go ahead in that thread .

Meta, next time you get drunk put one back for me, yeah.
Mako
player, 56 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Thu 31 Dec 2020
at 07:09
  • msg #775

Re: OOC Yes

It's cool. Take whatever time you need.
Aisent
player, 206 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 3 Jan 2021
at 01:46
  • msg #776

Re: OOC Yes

Oh man I'm sorry to hear this Sightless, so crazy out in the world these days and I fear it's going to get worse.

Get well friend I'll still be here when you get well enough to post for us :)
Feyrre Vanserra
Player, 7 posts
Sorceress
Wed 6 Jan 2021
at 02:57
  • msg #777

Re: OOC Yes

Baby-sitting nephews and niece... my brother tried to ride motorbike on icey road... cracked ribs and broken leg. SIL is taking care of his stupid butt, and I'm helping out.

I'm working on message for you all, but slow going.
The Meta
GM, 340 posts
Sat 9 Jan 2021
at 21:55
  • msg #778

Re: OOC Yes

Hey hey everyone, So I'm ready to make a few posts again. I have the motivation and all that, but I am unsure how to handle the situation with sightless. They were injured by real life, no light thing by any means. I can do some mild filler time and conversation with aisent and crew. some light conversation wont de rail the intro from sightless.

I may run the new port town plot I have moving for silverdale and another pc, probably going to pull the trigger on first phase sometimes next week since silverdale has been maintaining activity. (and, again, I have the current motivation so this isnt a maybe will post kind of thing. I have a plan tentatively for tuesday but a deadline for myself by thursday).

Is there anything I've left overlooked? anything anyone needs help with or something long since overdue that I should resolve?
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 49 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Sat 9 Jan 2021
at 22:22
  • msg #779

Re: OOC Yes

Hi.

I think with the way Silverdale is he going to be bouncing backward and forwards between the two GM and I no problem with that.  Even if the time lines get little out of sink.
Mako
player, 57 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Sat 9 Jan 2021
at 22:27
  • msg #780

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 778):

Maybe a resolution of my magic lesson so we can move forward?
Aisent
player, 207 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 10 Jan 2021
at 20:00
  • msg #781

Re: OOC Yes

Feel bad for Sightless, is it PCs or NPCs we meeting?
Aisent
player, 208 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 20 Feb 2021
at 03:18
  • msg #782

Re: OOC Yes

Hello?
Duinnal
player, 7 posts
Explore and sailor
Sat 20 Feb 2021
at 04:13
  • msg #783

Re: OOC Yes

I am still here.
Mako
player, 58 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Sat 20 Feb 2021
at 05:33
  • msg #784

Re: OOC Yes

Here as well.
The Meta
GM, 342 posts
Sun 21 Feb 2021
at 04:29
  • msg #785

Re: OOC Yes

Also still here.

been trying to work myself up to overwriting sightless's intro to the other new players but also bummed for you guys because this is like the 5th time new players were suppose to join and play with you guys just for it to fall through right at intro point.

Also plan to go recruiting sometime soonish.


I know aisent is in the smol ppl game and sees I havent posted there in a while either.

Mako, your pm scene write up is just about finished as well. lets give it a few more weeks and then I will push on without sightless. they may still be in the hospital or having an issue with their arm that prevents them from writing or something.

Since duinnal is part of the group that sightless braught in, I can still bring you to aisent... and any others still here. we just may need to change the intro.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 56 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Sun 21 Feb 2021
at 05:56
  • msg #786

Re: OOC Yes

Silverdale could do with am update on his spider hunt please as well.
Thanks.
Mako
player, 59 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Sun 21 Feb 2021
at 06:44
  • msg #787

Re: OOC Yes

The PM acene has been fun so far. Stretched my mental muscles something fierce..
The Meta
GM, 343 posts
Sun 21 Feb 2021
at 07:05
  • msg #788

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Silverdale Blindeye (msg # 786):

I havent forgotten you silverdale, just really really hard to justify an update for just one person when others have been waiting a while you know?

like I said though, kicking myself to finally make the push. Current deadline of a few weeks right now.
It's coming though.
The Meta
GM, 347 posts
Fri 19 Mar 2021
at 00:33
  • msg #789

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 788):

I have started moving things forward, So please consider this a last call for those players who have been inactive for the last few weeks/months. You will be able to join back in later if you express a desire to but otherwise things are moving forward now.
The Meta
GM, 348 posts
Tue 23 Mar 2021
at 18:46
  • msg #790

Re: OOC Yes

Hey guys, I just added a few new players and am adjusting to a new class schedule, so updates were a little delayed but are coming soon.

For the new players, I generally wait for you to tell me your sheet is done. a few of you have already told me so I am going over those sheets, I will be getting back to you with the next step about the same time I do updates for the other players.

thank you everyone for your consistent patients, it's been a very rough year.

Especially Aisent, you have been among the most patient and I cannot begin to express my appreciation.
Aisent
player, 210 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Wed 24 Mar 2021
at 01:15
  • msg #791

Re: OOC Yes

You're welcome I'll try to get posts in tomorrow.

Went to Doctor today, kinda tired.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 63 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Wed 24 Mar 2021
at 18:07
  • msg #792

Re: OOC Yes

Hi to all the new players.

If anybody planning on running a craft, perfection based character and not an adventure you may want either talk to me (the player).  Or have your character bump into Silverdale who spend most of his time working at the ship yard or walking the streets in the evening just before shops close.
Cogwyn
player, 1 post
Thu 25 Mar 2021
at 10:18
  • msg #793

Re: OOC Yes

hello silverdale!

My character isn't a craft or profession based one but he wants to lay low , probably get a job at the shipyard. He is pretty strong so he can manage with all the grunt work. think you can recommend him to someone n the shipyard? once he meets you in character of course.

also, i can only see 6 threads right now mostly ooc stuff, no docks or shipyard. Is it because my character sheet hasn't been approved yet?
The Meta
GM, 349 posts
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 03:55
  • msg #794

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry for the delay, again, I meant to get replies out a few days ago but between my class and a few other stress events elsewhere I got a little distracted. Replies are on my priority list and I am giving myself the deadline to get new players out before next weekend.
Aisent
player, 211 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 29 Mar 2021
at 04:15
  • msg #795

Re: OOC Yes

I"m trying to get into the swing of things again :), I hope to have posts tomorrow :)

Seems most of the group I was with are gone :(.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 64 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 17:14
  • msg #796

Re: OOC Yes

Hi Cogwyn.

Thanks for getting back to me.  Would you like to join Silverdale on a spider hunt.
Subject to the GM allowing you to join me.  I could do with extra body to help me?
Cogwyn
player, 2 posts
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 18:41
  • msg #797

Re: OOC Yes

I would like that but I don't think my character is approved yet. You'd have to wait if you want me to tag along.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 66 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 19:03
  • msg #798

Re: OOC Yes

I am at the moment walk around the town/docs looking for spiders but I realized it maybe little a dangerous for me as I am not really a tank at all.

If your sheet is ready then all we need is meta to agree it and also agree you can join me.  Posting rate for my adventure is about 1 every 2 weeks so I sure you can join in quickly.

Once we meet up we can see how we can help each other out long term.
Cogwyn
player, 3 posts
Wed 31 Mar 2021
at 19:19
  • msg #799

Re: OOC Yes

Thank you
Aisent
player, 212 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Mon 5 Apr 2021
at 22:46
  • msg #800

Re: OOC Yes

Had a rough week last week, sorry, I'll try to get into the swing this week thanks for waiting for me ;)
The Meta
GM, 352 posts
Mon 5 Apr 2021
at 22:53
  • msg #801

Re: OOC Yes

Cogwyn, once we flesh out your char, I would not put you immediately in combat. You could try to find Silverdales combat if you wanted but it could be 3-5 rounds... or more... into it. assuming it doesnt finish before that.

given the char creation option you chose, you could also start with aisent and kalven and crew. it's up to you.
Aisent
player, 213 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Fri 16 Apr 2021
at 19:01
  • msg #802

Re: OOC Yes

Sorry I hope to be back posting next week been really rough. Seems you get going again and I'm the hangup now :(
The Meta
GM, 353 posts
Tue 4 May 2021
at 13:16
  • msg #803

Re: OOC Yes

apologies everyone, cyber class and allergies have me a little more lethargic then I expected. I should be active this week though given I am making myself anxious about not responding to things here and that I feel a little more better.
Cogwyn
player, 4 posts
Tue 4 May 2021
at 13:31
  • msg #804

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to The Meta (msg # 801):

i'd like to know more about this 'crew'.
The Meta
GM, 354 posts
Tue 4 May 2021
at 13:47
  • msg #805

Re: OOC Yes

Aisent has been a bit down as well, I am one of their games, and they've had several people false start where they went to join up but then dropped out (in mass in a few cases) so hopefully aisent will be able to tell you to indicate they are still intereste in playing let along having their hopes up again. nothing against you, or aisent, just saying to aisent I'd get it an also saying to you that other people may have crushed aisents motivation a lot.

aisent, floors yours on the kalven and crew.
Mako
player, 68 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Tue 4 May 2021
at 14:12
  • msg #806

Re: OOC Yes

Mako is his own thread. He's sailing overseas to establish a colony and build his own kingdom.
The Meta
GM, 355 posts
Tue 4 May 2021
at 14:47
  • msg #807

Re: OOC Yes

Pipe in mouth, wind at his back, Ahoy!
Mako
player, 70 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Sat 12 Jun 2021
at 06:24
  • msg #808

Re: OOC Yes

At this point, I can do nothing else until I get a GM response. I have supposedly made landfall, and have to survey the initial site of my new kingdom. I need to make the first steps in building it, but I cannot do that without input.
The Meta
GM, 356 posts
Tue 15 Jun 2021
at 15:56
  • msg #809

Re: OOC Yes

Hey guys, just want to let you all know im still alive and see you all are still alive too.

Shits been cray cray as hell for me. I'm currently suing someone (I probably mentioned it earlier, i've been doing my own investigations on their negligence so that took up some of my time), got a new job where I am performing in 2 or 3 roles, am taking my comptia 601 sec + test soon, and still occasionally suffering from bouts of apathy.

once I deliver my letter of demand, and get through the test, I'll have almost half my time freed up again.
Aisent
player, 214 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sat 19 Jun 2021
at 23:18
  • msg #810

Re: OOC Yes

I'm still about but I have been caught up in real life, lost everything. I hope to be able to game when you get back active :)
The Meta
GM, 357 posts
Mon 21 Jun 2021
at 13:19
  • msg #811

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Aisent (msg # 810):

Dont worry my dude, i've been pretty slimed too and i've seen how little activity youve had in the game youve been gm'ing.
The Meta
GM, 358 posts
Mon 28 Jun 2021
at 03:27
  • msg #812

Re: OOC Yes

I passed my sec + test (woot!) and basically spent the last few days just catching up on sleep (still tired and that's kind of crazy).

My new work at a SOC start up is going to be a little time consuming but I will still have more freedom because it's remote and wont require intensive study.
The Meta
GM, 359 posts
Fri 22 Oct 2021
at 00:53
  • msg #813

Re: OOC Yes

Whats up all.

so, hi. Covid still has me on apathy wave after another, being alone all the time sucks, wish this shit happened before I broke up with my last ex... but such is life.

I may be getting another co gm, though, maybe... dont get too excited. If it happens then this game may see some life again.

Silverdale for sures, youve been loyal as hell to here and I see you.

mako, I know youve been waiting. I mean, youve made a point to say so a lot if you are still around then I will get to you as well.

and if I get a co gm, I will probably try a little recruiting too.
Mako
player, 72 posts
Hobgoblin Unchained Rogue
Counterfeit Mage
Fri 22 Oct 2021
at 09:57
  • msg #814

Re: OOC Yes

Yes, still standing by.....
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 87 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Fri 22 Oct 2021
at 10:06
  • msg #815

Re: OOC Yes

Wave at The Meta.

Good to know your still around.  Think their are few people that can say the last 2 year have not been good.  Just be nice to each other is my way of looking at things.
Aisent
player, 215 posts
Sword of Iomedae
Sun 24 Oct 2021
at 03:13
  • msg #816

Re: OOC Yes

hi
The Meta
GM, 360 posts
Mon 25 Oct 2021
at 01:17
  • msg #817

Re: OOC Yes

In reply to Silverdale Blindeye (msg # 815):

facts
The Meta
GM, 361 posts
Thu 11 Nov 2021
at 18:10
  • msg #818

Re: OOC Yes

happy veterans day, from this veteran to you.
Silverdale Blindeye
player, 89 posts
Free-Ports Trading Group
Thu 11 Nov 2021
at 19:33
  • msg #819

Re: OOC Yes

Your not The Meta your an imposter.  Your really Leif Forthwind or his brother Lief Northwind.

note:- at least New Port Town does not stink like Londinium !!
This message was last edited by the player at 19:35, Thu 11 Nov 2021.
The Meta
GM, 362 posts
Thu 11 Nov 2021
at 21:41
  • msg #820

Re: OOC Yes

nah, the northwinds and the forthwinds are distant relatives. the two liefs are cousins at best ;p
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