DC(25) x 5 x half level(1) /8 = 15.625 x hours (8) = 125 xp

Guth, that math doesn't work. We are all level 1. Half level = 0.5.

DC 20 (Masterwork) gives 20×5×(0.5) = 50.
You are dividing by 8 in the equation, so does this mean you gain 50/8 = 6.333 xp per hour? Multiplying by 8 hours means 50 xp per day?

there is nothing in pathfinder that doesnt say minimum of 1, in the event of the presence of something x 1/2 (like, half class level or half char level) it always says minimum level 1.

this is the logic I assumed and others seemed to pick up on it right away as everyone else that's posted xp gain has used the same algorithm. the (1) represents the x1.

Okay, I can accept that.

So the formula [DC × 5 × (Level/2)]/8 represents the xp earned per hour of crafting? Multiply by 8 to get 1 day's earnings in xp?

In reply to The Meta (msg # 569):




No, HE requested that we do things IC, not you.

Edit to explain: What Enoch said is incorrect (technically no way he could've known, unless I explained it) because I can't really discuss things out of character more than the other PC is willing. He requested that we speak more IC, so what Enoch said DOESN'T apply, if that makes sense.
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Sorry blythe, it's taken a few more days then I expected to check through your sheet.

I should be done with it later tonight.

himble and silver, what do you guys need?

Guthbrand,
I noticed my post in meta hash didnt seem to stick, also expect to see that later today (probably in 5 or so hours, I get off work in 4 hours and thats something I can whip out in a few minutes so I will do that first.

Ai, Ac, and kal. I will have a post for you guys after I get blyth in. And since you guys have declared your course(you presented intent to avoid 'ambiguous stuffs and thing' I am going to be a brat and point out whatever you dont deal with here is going to end up being Port towns problem (the opposite direction from where you are going... is the general direction of new port town).

Fun stuff ;)

Should make for some fun for Finaril though, and maybe Aithne but Aithne kind of hasnt responded to the post they got in their tavern thread so they may not be active in this game anymore.
(T-T)

Look forward to it all later ;) Enjoy this whole teaser.

Right on.

In reply to The Meta (msg # 575):

I'm still here.

and of course, I got home an hour late.

Ok guys, posts incoming. I also think now is a good time to bump that co gm wanted thread I made. Once mako and blyth are in, I suspect I'll need it.

I absolutely respect the use of performance over profession to earn gold. it's in the rules, so why not. People set up pop up studios, set up instruments in subways and on the streets, and such... all the time. some people will even do it daily and still hit new people every day.

However, eventually, things always stale. if you are out playing every day then why would that one business guy who passes you on his way to work drop money again the next day? or even for the next month? as far as he's concerned, he already paid you for your 'services' and now he's just going to enjoy.

Maybe even that person that passes you a week ago is taking another weekly, or monthly, walk and sees you again. maybe it's cool the second or third time but eventually they too are going to think about how it's all just more of the same.

For this, I think I am going to rule that consecutive performance checks yield 5 percent for every consecutive day. and this only resets after waiting an equal ammount of time to the number of consecutive days you played, but a minimum of one week (so, you could play once a week without ever worrying).

Area will constitute as a general location or to be some place in the same perceptual range as the last place.

a big city may allow you to play on one side of town and then go to the other side, the next day, and play there without penalty but a smaller town is too... small.. to do that.

If 5 percent is a cumbersome number, 10 percent can be used. it's easier to calculate 10 percent.

If there are no objections, or proposals, to this then I will write up the rule and put it into the other rules post.

In reply to The Meta (msg # 578):

Hmph. Thought I WAS in.

Just need an answer to Boon costs.
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In reply to Mako (msg # 580):

By boon do you mean the boons given to certain NPC classes?

Not sure. Something mentioned in an article that GM provided a Link to. Haven't found the original source of the named boon, so I don't really know what it is referencing.

Could you give me the link please? That way I can compare.

you keep asking me char gen questions

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43130?Efficient-Creator#3

this is what mako is currently trying to understand, enoch.

oh, that ritual.

I guess you could call it a ritual, more like researched understanding to allow you to use magic to do a mundane thing.

As a note, guys, in case someone decided to think about it.

so normally you can only do 8 hours of magic crafting a day. no ammount of removing fatigue or avoiding sleep will change that. it's a hardrule for pathfinder. You can get things to change that explicit rule so as to crafter faster (4 hours, for example) or to craft more in those 8 hours but for the most part it's hard capped at 8.

this is due to the mental strain of megic crafting.

Where as mundane crafting does not have that mental strain, and therefore you can craft more, capped only by the hours in a day, by ways of avoiding sleep and fatigue and such.

since efficient creator allows you to use magic item crafting to make mundane items, the 8 hour hard cap rule would then apply.

What I fail to understand is what Efficient Creator IS? Is it a spell? A Boon of some sort? Can it be bought like Spellcasting Services? Neither the Link nor my own searches for 'efficient creator' yield me any answers.
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In reply to The Meta (msg # 586):



This might help Maco as well, but its time to tell a tale. Way back when D&D was still a TSR thing, spell books held more than just spells, well, some of them did. The really good, by Crom it is the book of *insert name of wizard here *, who has been dead for 1300 years and so forth. How rituals worked was like this, you, the wizard, read and breathed in magical smoke flavored with stuff, and did stuff, and gained understanding trademark.

Rituals varied, but they were kind of permanent  spells that the wizard cast on him or herself, via completing the ritual, which always granted something kind of like a feat, using modern terminology, in regards to something magical.

This ritual even seems fimilar, even though I can't place it.

The ritual, like many I can recall has both an advantage and a disadvantage. You can either get rid of the need of a role for crafting by doing only a thousand gp of crafting a day, or  include the role, increase the cost of the item in raw materials, but decrease the amount of time needed to craft it.   In some respects its similar to
Tools, Amazing Tools of Manufacture – d20PFSRD
In either case, it is easier to think of rituals in the old TSR format,  lasting self-directed spells that  allow for greater mystical understanding, or spellbook specific feats.

+1
<3

So Efficient Creator is a ritual? How can a non-spellcaster use it?

In reply to The Meta (msg # 579):

I feel this is set in a modern mindset, one where you can watch TV, go on the Internet, listen to a recording of someone playing, listen to a radio station of some kind, and always have entertainment at the ready and available consumption nearly at will, even the amongst the poorest who will gather around a radio or TV to listen/watch their entertainment, being able to see the world cup, their 'local' team and the like whenever they play or hear talented musicians at will.

Back before record players existed, making a living via providing entertainment with things such as singing, playing instruments and such was significantly easier than it is today, where you have an over saturation of good music and entertainment barraging you relentlessly at every opportunity. That is because you had what you had and couldn't just instead of listening to Bella down at the pub singing you could just go and listen to Elizabeth, who happens to be the considered the best in the world at what she does. You may go weeks or months without hearing anything better than yourself or your mate singing, or the local priest and choir singing religious songs and chants, or again Bella down at the local pub. It's also why patronage existed and was widely spread, because even if you weren't the best, you were still providing much better than normal, and essentially on 'demand' rather than whatever happened to be there at the time.

It's the same with information/news spread and identification, there are no pictures and national ids to verify you are who you say you are, you can't just jump on the internet and know what is happening on the other side of the world, or even just ten miles down the way. You either have scrying done, some expensive magical means of communication set up, or you wait until someone who happens to know something you hadn't heard from that part of the world wonders in and tells someone about it. You could very easily be traveling to a new place, having left one where you were widely known and accepted as the most important figure and upon arriving have no one believe you, after all William Wallace is 7 feet tall, flings fireballs from  his eyes and shoots lightning from his ass, and you are neither 7 feet tall, nor do you fling fireballs from your eyes or shoot lightning from you ass. The people are disappointed that instead when they finally meet the famous  man, he isn't even six feet tall, doesn't do any of the former and is simply a good warrior, with good speeches and a noticeable talent for tactics and strategy. So that means you and your men who are in a barony on the outskirts of a realm get word you are at war and that you need to strike at a near by location to help in the effort, so you set sail to go do battle, arrive and do battle, only to find out a few months later when the message finally arrives that the war you had been fighting had actually been over for nearly a year, the previous message had taken a long while to get to you, and none of your men actually needed to die fighting. It was all over before you even left to begin your part of the campaign, and despite your victories here, you had already lost and it was all for naught. Even in WW 1 with radio and telegraphs, the British Garrisons were resupplying and warmly welcoming a German shipping Raider who were attacking their shipping for weeks they were at war with because they hadn't gotten the information yet.

The Great Wall China and the Beacon system of the Eastern Roman Empire both were designed to provide a way to get a message, and just a single one in the case of the former or in the case of the second two different messages based on the time the fires were lit. And these were great things as they allowed one to start preparations for the invasion immediately and respond the threat at an unprecedented level. Luckily in Pathfinder information is easier to get between large places, because a scroll of sending is 'only' 700 gp for a single message of 25 words or less, or perhaps a set of paired ring gates for within a hundred miles, a crystal ball with telepathy if you want to go on the expensive end (70,000 gp) and near unlimited range, a custom item or something else I haven't thought about to provide information between locations.

And I'm ramblin, so I'll stop here.

Going back to the TSR example, it goes like this:
1. Anyone can read a spellbook.
2. rituals don't necessarily require a caster level to perform. Some do, some don't.
3. Since this one doesn't specify a caster level than it can be assumed that the ritual elements are all an aspect of the spellbook itself, like reading a scroll. There are cases of this in first and second edition, and I feel that this is carrying on that tradition.

Thank you.

Since this sounds like a ritual I might invest in, I need to know what resources I need to expend to acquire and perform the ritual.

In reply to Mako (msg # 593):



based on the information, it seems to be entirely based on reading the spell book, which contains the information for granting said ritual. No additional materials are required.     In short, you only have to read to gain the necessary understanding for the crafting benefits.

In fact, all the examples of rituals in constructed spell books I can find for pathfinder follow this same concept. Your character reads, and the benefit of the ritual is granted. That benefit might be towards the modification of other spells, or in crafting some item, or items, but in no case that I've found does the ritual actually require the expenditure of of gold pieces  above that required to obtain the spell book, or any other action on the part of the book's holder.