New threads to hash out an idea we all kinda like.

To belatedly ask about the IC thread, does it seem like the fox has intentionally led Rose to the train to get on it? Also, has he shown any capacity for communicating with Tiamat? I could imagine Rose getting on it if it seemed like Tiamat and company wanted her there and could get a goodbye message back, but otherwise Rose would feel like she was going "Cool spell, not taking you to America though, lol bye!" ^^'

So, going back to the villain game:

Yep, this :) Like you said Luminary, pretty much that we not play a group of psycho murderer/rapist/torturers/etc. Anything else on that list would probably be fine. (Although hopefully the Acolytes would be more nuanced than the portrayal they sometimes get of "So gang, who're we going to mass murder to show how great our cause is this week?" That doesn't seem too fun.)

This might not 100% fit the original idea, but I have to admit I have a weakness for kid/teen supers, so the reform-school-version of Avengers Academy or Second Generation ideas have that appeal to me :) I'm not the biggest fan of writing around canon, but as long as the characters themselves are original it's doable for me. I'm also a fan of survival games so trapped in the Savage Land could be neat.

That said, pretty much everything on the list sounds like fun to me :) And yeah, modern still gets my vote if the era is still a WIP too. In terms of things I'd rather swing against, I'd rather not have the game be TOO campy, so I'd rather avoid the reality-show angle I think. A-Team would be like, just serious enough though :)
This message was last edited by the player at 14:07, Sun 04 July 2021.

You mean you don't want to be in a Slaughterhouse 9 game? For shame!

Could start the game out like Avengers Arena in the Savage Land. Mmmm....a group of second generation Villains transported to the Savage Land and told only two ways out - either last team standing or to get the McGuffin. I don't think anyone would like the original Deathmatch Arena of Avengers Arena concept. Then just pick a villain(s) of say the 80-90s and away we go. Then if we like it we can expand out of the Savage Land having graduated and see where the idea takes us.

Sorry, starting the Savage Land kind of feels like not being in the modern era, lol. I know we wouldn't necessarily be there forever, but...still.

I'm partial to a Suicide Squad or Thunderbolts style game, personally. Or

@Nic: Agreed, I only put it out there as an alternative.



It seems like he wants to go with to be honest. ;)
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:44, Sun 04 July 2021.

Ah, okay :) Is there still a way to get in touch with him, does it seem like? Sorry if it sounds like I'm dithering, I just want to make sure I don't jump the gun IC. Don't want to get on a goddess's bad side after all!

In reply to Rose (msg # 6):

No you're fine, he must be connected somehow, you get the feeling that he's actually some extension of her or possibly some sort of servitor of her.

Oooh a Reynard Watchfox!

So, RE: Supervillains.

Seem to be leaning towards either Teenagers or Suicide/Thunderbolts.

For Teenagers see three major concepts:

Massachusetts Academy - Recruited by an older villain and in training to become villains themselves. They are probably first generation villains, but could include legacies. Example: Hellions.

Young Masters - Legacy villains brought together by older generation to get training and seasoning. Young Masters fits, but see this as more of Young Justice - particularly the first season or two of Young Justice TV show. Might go to school together or separately, probably have a secret base. Most likely legacies, but new villains are possible.

Self-Starters - Group of young villains who gathered together of their own free will. Maybe evil Gen 13? Maybe just go to same high school. Maybe evil Runaways. Legacies and new people welcome.


Thunder Squad!

Suicide Squad - Villains doing villainous things for good? or at least the government, probably because of the explosive collars, gps chips, and possibly explosive gps chips implanted in them. Literally the Suicide Squad as an example. Maybe Dark Avengers depending.

Old School Thunderbolts - Villains doing Heroic things for Villainous Reasons. Just pretending to be good for that money/fame/tech/power, etc. But does act or intention matter more in these cases? First team of Thunderbolts. Also probably Dark Avengers.

New School Thunderbolts - Villains doing Heroic (and sometimes shady) things for either heroic reasons or to get a reduced sentence. Major difference between this and Suicide Squad is this one doesn't as a matter of course go and assassinate people or blow up small third world countries with plausible deniability. Later teams of Thunderbolts.

Ok, I'm in favor of a Thunder Squad, is everyone cool with 80s, or should it take place in the present?

Thunder Squad sounds good to me :) I could probably play a teen semivillain anyways as long as we didn't go Suicide Squad, probably bad government PR to put a bomb collar on a minor. My vote would be for New School to allow for a mix of characters going for pure self-interest vs. wanting to do good in "practical" ways, but old school would be fine too.

I'm fine with the 80s instead of modern as long as nobody minds anachronistic slip-ups, especially in dialogue ;) I can handle tech differences and things like that, but I've played games before with people who feel obliged to point out that, say, a saying didn't enter common usage until a decade later. I don't really think about that kind of thing when I write.

I admit that I could do better with it. I once had a character say "Hey, don't throw me under the bus on this" in a game of Pathfinder without thinking about it :P Happily nobody else took issue.

Luckily, my slang, like my taste in music, has not left the 80s.

That's 2 of 4.... any other takers?

I'm fine with 80's.

Ha! I just saw this too:

link to a message in another game

Cosmic Thunderbolts!

I am fine with 80s though what exactly are we doing? We have a consensus what exactly we are doing or put it to a vote or something?

So far it looks like this:
-80s
-Thunder Squad - subcategories still need voting: 1 vote for new thunderbolts(to me that means not gov't sanctioned)
-The antagonists: Mix of Evil Banana Republics with Cold War politics.

If it seems like I'm not reading the tea leaves right let me know!

I will say that the New Thunderbolt idea is the least Supervillainy of them all. It is also since we are doing the '80s the backstory of Freedom Force - so you do have a built in character who would do it - Valerie Cooper.

I would go for either Young Masters or Old Thunderbolts.

Oh, also if we are doing this in anything even close to Marvel are we doing this more like Marvel does where they have a 10 year sliding timeline or is it more fixed?

Such as in the eighties do the X-Men exist or FF, Avengers? Maybe since it is our first time that is setting the timeline so we stick a pin in the timeline so it mostly resembles Marvel at that time. So, Kitty Pryde is a new member of the X-Men, New Mutants are just being started up. West Coast Avengers, She-Hulk, Tigra, War Machine, Franklin Richards as Tattletale in Power Pack. Asking for ideas for character ideas.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:38, Thu 08 July 2021.

It sounds like Rose's player wants to play a teen, lol.

I am fine with any of the options presented really. They are just variations on the theme. =)

I may create an amalgam type of character.  Maybe combine a hero and a villain.

One reason I was asking about timelines - easier to explain an amalgam if they are actually children of the people.

I saw that too! I immediately wondered which of you it is XD


It's my first choice, but I can be flexible :)

Are we actually doing Marvel canon at all? I'd vote against it personally, WAY too much to keep track of, but I can try to keep up if folks want to.

Come to think of it, I actually ran a character in the past that would fit oddly well in this setting - a Cuban emigre turned Florida-based activist that's basically a super-smart CIA-backed freedom fighter. This was in a real-world Exalted game though, I don't feel confident about adapting the concept to MSH.

 No at least some of the point of making our own timeline is to be free of some of those weird readership constraints. Thus, Punisher was in Vietnam, Fury was in WWII, etc. Everyone ages, spiderman would be in his sixties since his arrival in comics to modern day. He's gotta be thirty to forty in the 80s. So there's more room than we thought to do things. The X-men may exist, but you won't know them. The FF exist and are jumping their way through the cosmos. The Avengers exist along with many others but they just got shipped off to the first secret war. ^_^

 At this point in the canon that I'll be going with, it's unsure if any will return, it's been a hot minute. There are some less well-known teams, like the original Secret Warriors, the Power Pack kids as you mentioned, as well as the New Mutants. There is also a myriad of other smaller and less well-known folks around like Man-Thing for instance, Ghost Rider, Dark Hawk, etc. Street-level heroes and villains exist in numbers but they are rather spread out. Basically, Earth is undefended against any external or large internal threats. If you have an idea for an amalgam or offspring, shoot me your idea.

 Although you are aware of these other supers on some level, you're not likely to meet many of them.

 Everyone like that so far?
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:52, Thu 08 July 2021.

In reply to Arbiter (msg # 22):

That sounds good to me :) At this point it sounds like we're divided on how villainous to be though, with Davin leaning more into it than me and Phoenix.