How about Taunt while trying to break free? is that One on Many action?

Just to be clear,

Due to Pierre magic we have:

• Two actions for this round
• +3 to Str, Dex, Tou and Spi

This message was last edited by the player at 07:51, Thu 09 July 2020.

@Taunt/break free

Yes totally.

@Ben I find it actually amusing rather than disturbing that if you had had faith you would have been freed.

I don't see it happening, just because someone tell you to accept some faith it won't make you a believer. Especially when you don't know anything on the religion or the god.

Faith is powerful but it demand belief which is harder than just a magical boost.

Ah you don't have to have faith.

The game mechanics are 'I provide the faith for you'. It's my faith. That's why there are two outcomes in the post.

You just have to not reject the blessing. It's like me casting a spell on you: if you 'reject' the spell you can often fight it off / resist. Same here. If you want to 'fight' and reject the miracle you can, and it will automatically fail because it's a beneficial miracle

Imagine a priest saying 'bless you my son'. You can reject it and say in your heart 'I would rather eat a dead rat than accept your blessing you wierd person' or you can just accept it. Kind of up to you

If you are an athiest - needs Faith(Athiesm) - you automatically fight/reject miracles.

The game mechanic read that you have to accept the miracle (it also indicate that the beneficiary party is the one providing the faith).

From the game perspective, Ben just met Sapphire and having him accept an unknown faith just because it might help him is not logical. Faith and belief are something that is built over time, with trust and rapport not because some shouts at you in the middle of combat accept my god to be saved, this IMO would actually do the opposite.

• The game mechanics also say that if you don't have faith the invoker provides the faith. That's why I listed the two options
• The GM stated that we have worked together before, and we've been together for weeks

But sure. Reject away.

We've been working together for a couple of weeks, which is not really a long time most of it Ben and Sapphire weren't even together (she was in the tree house thingy and he was in the camp).

and it reflect by how coordinate we are during combat :)

So for the time being it would need a bit more than just a shout accept my gods to have him accept her gods.

Just a reminder for people that don't want to reject a blessing from the god of honour.

In Torg you almost never roll more than one die per round (Flurry rounds are an exception)

So with miracles the same bonus is used to invoke and to work out how effective. You don't need to roll a die. Read the OOC in my post for details

Example if you had a faith total of 13, you get +3.you don't roll a die

As for spiritual conflict after a chat with the GM it looks like polytheists and 'accepting' religions won't need to (unless it makes sense).

In reply to Sapphire (msg # 250):

Another interesting thing about Miracles is that when doing a beneficial miracle the recipient may be able to spend a possibility on the roll (and the Focus character sometimes may not be able to!).



And for the with little faith (actually I mean no faith adds) if you accept a miracle there is a chance you may convert.



Oh my god, I love it so much.

Absolutely. Quite a fun system!

 In this case I had to spend one invoking it, so you can't spend one boosting it. I should have made that clear

I didn't get spectacular... But with luck I will in the future

In reply to Sapphire (msg # 252):

What I am unclear on is how it works when there are multiple Faith characters.  I guess any one of them could spend the possibility?

In reply to Matthew Matherson (msg # 253):

If the miracle succeeds without a Poss, the Focus character CANNOT spend it. If the roll would fail, the Focus character may spend 1.



If you have Faith, you may refuse to provide it to a miracle, which will make a Helper fail. If you don't have Faith...its like you are sitting around a fire pit with coals; if you have a bottle of lighter fluid, you may choose whether or not to squirt it in, if you don't have a bottle then it is not up to you if the fire explodes. Ben is buffed, Sorry-not-sorry. If you have Faith(Atheism) you must oppose the miracle. Faith(Secular Dwarvenism) MAY oppose miracles.

Further corrections:

I had misread Pierre's OODA Loop spell when I approved it. No spell in the TORG universe provides extra actions, at least none that I can find.

We have been discussing it, and I was hoping for confirmation before people needed the information; but I believe the affect has been determined.

Subtract your Mind from the Effect total (in this case 17[coincidental]) and read the Result Points on the Power Push Table [my thanks to Sapphire for the image]. The bonus you get will apply to offset any One-on-Many penalites for 1 minute (10 rounds, effectively).

For example: Bubba's Mind is 7, if he were in this spell, 17-7 is 10, 10 yields +4, for ten rounds Bubba ignores up to 4 points of OoM penalties.


Anyone who has taken an action and wants to edit with this in mind may do so.

In reply to Apeiros (msg # 255):

What a great way to implement that spell.  Push table to reduce One on Many penalty.

Did I mention that I love Torg?

That's an interesting spell. Very cool. Very powerful but in line with others. It's one of the nice Torg features that 'the better you already are, the less if affect you' and 'rolling better is almost always good'.

Does it impact the 'Difficulty Number'  or the Effect. I'm using the following to make the question clearer

Example:
I do four actions.

• First: DN+2
• Second: DN +4
• Third/Fourth: DBN+6
• The effect of all of them is reduced by 3

If we had (using your example) +4, would that +4 do the following?

• First: DN + 0
• Second: DN +0
• Third/Fourth: DBN+2
• The effect of all of them is reduced by 0

Yes, The spell is basically adding actions through the Math of reducing penalties; so up to your Bonus, those actions "don't count". Odd benefits ruin the analogy, but apply the same way.

Sadly, the Cp explicitly denies the validity of all other faiths (the Law of the One True god) so I am required to oppose Sapphire's Bless.

Sap, what was your Faith total? Also, how many people did you affect (gives me ersatz 'armor' to my Faith to resist the spiritual damage).

As I understand it, it works like this:

If you accept:

• I roll faith total, I do damage do you equal to ( sapphire's faith die roll vs your faith value (attribute + adds)
• You roll faith total, you do damage to sapphire equal to (your faith die roll vs sapphire's  faith value (attribute + adds)

I only do that though when the miracle has been accepted, so I don't know the numbers until we need them

Sapphire an Alyse elven priestess. Her spirit attribute is above human limits, her skills are capped on faith, and she's spectacularly blessed right now. I really really wouldn't accept the blessing if I was you. I predict heavy wounds and loss of faith/focus skills.

On that I'll say friendly miracle is not so friendly :)

Far as I understand it, if Pierre accepts it or not makes no nevermind. You auto do damage to me, and I to you, accepted or not accepted. What is your Faith total and OoMany please.

There is only damage if you use your faith, and your faith says 'This isn't right'.

• So if you have no faith in anything: no damage
• If you have faith in a religion that is compatible
• If you have faith in a religion that is diametrically opposed (The True Faith denies the existance of any other) AND you say 'I want that blessing' then you take damage

As Ben has demonstrated you can say 'I don't want the blessing'. In his case because he for some reason doesn't trust Sapphire. In your case the reasons would be sound: Your God denies the existance of any other.

If I was you Pierre I would just not accept the blessing

This only applies to Atheism. Secular Dwarvenism may choose to oppose any miracle near them.

Faith(Cyberpapacy) assumes other miracles will fail as their gods aren't real, the Struggle only happens if the C.Papist tries to "assisit" the herasy by providing the Faith for the miracle.

This is....getting strange. lol

In reply to Jason Keller (msg # 265):

I did post in house rules about faith.  Please feel free to ask questios.

Also, I have uploaded a map.

Also, Ben has drawn a card for his Taunt Total of 8.

That's probably enough Also's for now.