* Power 36 +5 (Black) +1 (Brown) = 42 - A large force of diverse, trained, and competent soldiers. You probably also have the services of a small navy as well. Several banner houses are sworn to you.

There have been some suggestions here. To avoid misunderstandings, can those who have them please post them here.

One banner house, indifferent towards rest of resources.

 I assume a banner house does not just become one player's private house to play alongside our's, yes?  It is constructed just like our house, with input from everyone?

Me and White have already began making rolls for it, as GM ruled that way. Don't know how we proceed further, I am rather OK with both.

White started the banner house as his pet project before we even knew if it would be a thing or not.

Now that it is being reconstructed, I think input from all would be fair. Orange and White has made the rolls for the house, would that be fine with everyone or do you want to roll too?

Seven knows we could use some rerolls.

I want to have some rolls for banner house, I might be the bastard born from it possible

In reply to Gray (msg # 3):

Technically they are another house created by that houses members. It is on reason why the only input I've offered in the main thread is the defense options.

A) a lord doesn't have direct say in what his banner houses are. The Banner is loyal and supplies troops.

B) we already see how long this is taking. Even with bad rolls, orange and I will be done at latest, tomorrow.

C) subverting my main character concept will make me sad. :-(

D) at the end of the day, I will do what the GM says...even if that means a new character concept.

E) just because i wanted an E

Hum, and what about Black? Seems like he wants to play someone from the banner house.

Yeah...it is why I am slowly not liking the idea. Had everything ready to go and I has to be nice! Lol my niceness kills me again! :-)

In reply to White (msg # 10):

I knew you'll hate me. :(

It will take a lot to make me hate anyone.

Let's just see how the things play out.

You get to pick stuff for the primary house, but we don't get to pick stuff for the banner house?

I am very flexible on working with you on banner house.

PM your idea, am sure I will agree with most and might only offer small suggestions.  Plus would give some chance to reroll a bad roll or two.

Maybe the compromise solution would be that each of us gives up one of our rolls and gives them to Black, both for starting resources and for events, while keeping the others.  If GM was fine with that. Also, I'd amke it clear that Black is the last one we are taking, because we cannot have like 40% of the players playing the banner house. Kinda defeats the point.

How would that defeat the point? It may not be intentional, but I am getting a strong vibe of "we want to play, but we don't want to do what you are doing"

Wasn't the whole purpose of not having two houses for the players because Dragondog didn't want to have to go back and forth with different storylines?

Since it's a banner house, the storyline would be the same. However, I kinda think that it is important that those playing the bannerhoue be somewhat independent and allow to keep the stuff they already defined because it is part of their character's background.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:44, Thu 11 June 2020.

In reply to Gray (msg # 13):

As I said, I am picking nothing.  Once I started this with the GM, the only post I made regarding picks is the one in the defense thread.  As it stands now, I will most likely just abandon the whole thing because we don't need to take 2 years designing houses...which is all it would be.  Especially as, at the end of the day, the whole background for the house, as initially written and approved would be worthless.

It isn't 2 storylines...but at this point it is a dead idea to me.

Sorry to hear that, and for whatever part I played in that occurrence. I think I missed whatever your initial idea was in the chaos of things.

I vote for 3 banner houses!
1 for orange
1 for white
1 to do our collective bidding
35 points

1 trained Garrison - 5 points

If we go for a banner house, I'd probably spend the rest on:
Trained Archers (6)
Trained Garrison (5)
Trained Cavalry (8)
Green Garrison (3)

If we have all 42:
Veteran Cavalry (10)
Veteran Infantry (9)
Trained Archers (6)
Trained Garrison (5)
Trained Scouts (5) (Seems appropriate given the Hill Clans nearby)
Trained Infantry (7)

One option would be that players only influence the details of one house. Either the main house or the banner house. What do you think of that?

I am against it because lack of agency in matters of bannerhouse that  liege house players have  is balanced by the facts that banner house is less powerful and subservient.

In reply to Dragondog (msg # 23):

I am for it. If someone has autonomy in his or her banner house decisions, then the main house discussions should be left to the rest of us.