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Brainstorming.

Posted by DragondogFor group 0
Silver
player, 29 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:13
  • msg #35

Re: Brainstorming

I was thinking it was someone like Hoster Tully’s order that I be sent to away to raised elsewhere.   There is an alliance between the Vale and the Riverlands. Given this house is lower on the pecking order in the Vale may have convinced to take me on.  It might be instead of being a ward I am a squire.  Works with the backstory and is possibly a better reason to be in another house.
Dragondog
GM, 279 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:23
  • msg #36

Re: Brainstorming

Green:
In reply to Dragondog (msg # 33):

I'm pretty sure wards and fosterage are the same thing in Westeros; the fostered person is ward.


Eddard Stark was fostered by Jon Arryn, but he wasn't a Ward, the way Theon Greyjoy was.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:25, Thu 18 June 2020.
Orange
player, 154 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:26
  • msg #37

Re: Brainstorming

From Wiki of Ice and Fire: The custom of fosterage is common among the nobility of Westeros. It is seen as a way of establishing friendships and alliances.[1] For example, Lord Jon Arryn became a second father to his two foster children, Eddard Stark and Robert Baratheon, during the years they were fostered by Arryn at the Eyrie.[2] Additionally, fosterage is seen as a means of education.[1] For example, boys can be fostered out as squires, training for knighthood.[3] Most commonly the fostered child is male,[1] although it is not unheard of for females to be fostered. The fostered child can be trueborn or bastard born.[4] Hostages may be fostered; for example, Theon Greyjoy.[5] In the Free City of Norvos, children are usually not fostered out.[6][7]

So yes, terms are somewhat interchangeable.
Dragondog
GM, 280 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:30
  • msg #38

Re: Brainstorming

I just checked that too Orange! And it seems that they use the term interchangeably.

I haven't done that. When you are a hostage, I have called that a ward. When it's voluntary, I have called that fosterage. You only get the Ward drawback when you are a hostage.
Gray
player, 175 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:32
  • msg #39

Re: Brainstorming

I think being fostered just means the child is cared for and given an education. My takeaway is that you can be fostered as a ward, but being fostered doesn't make you a ward.
Orange
player, 155 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:37
  • msg #40

Re: Brainstorming

Yes, both those who are willingly fostered and hostages are referred to as "fostered".
Silver
player, 30 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:46
  • msg #41

Re: Brainstorming

So what are your thoughts on being a squire?  Is there a knight I could be squire for in the group?
Dragondog
GM, 282 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 22:48
  • msg #42

Re: Brainstorming

As we have been using the terms differently, let me ask a clarifying question. Is it your intention that your character has the Ward drawback?
Silver
player, 31 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 23:00
  • msg #43

Re: Brainstorming

No I am scrapping the idea of being a ward.  As I can't see a decent reason for my to a ward in the agreed definition.

I am asking what are people's thoughts of me being a squire to someone.
Purple
player, 100 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 23:15
  • msg #44

Re: Brainstorming

I think there might be a few opportunities to squire for one of the characters. I will let them speak up definitively.
Dragondog
GM, 283 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 23:24
  • msg #45

Re: Brainstorming

The reason why I was asking, in addition to understanding if we were talking about the same thing, was that even though your story doesn't exactly match the description in the rules, I can allow you to take the Ward drawback. If that is still what you want.

In regards to knights and squires, you'd have to ask the other players or be the squire of an NPC knight.
Gray
player, 176 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 23:37
  • msg #46

Re: Brainstorming

 I am thinking of playing a knight and didn't have any locked in thoughts about squires yet.
Gray
player, 177 posts
Thu 18 Jun 2020
at 23:56
  • msg #47

Re: Brainstorming

How old do you want your character to be?
Silver
player, 32 posts
Fri 19 Jun 2020
at 00:07
  • msg #48

Re: Brainstorming

About 14-15.  I think that is classified as young adult.
Gray
player, 178 posts
Fri 19 Jun 2020
at 14:36
  • msg #49

Re: Brainstorming

Okay, so they were born during or just after the rebellion. That works just fine. Would they still be part of the scandalous Riverlands house? That would probably mean House Sylvayn was fostering you, since most children who are to squire, start as pages around the age of 7 or so and become squires around 10 (though some go straight to squiring).
Silver
player, 33 posts
Fri 19 Jun 2020
at 20:59
  • msg #50

Re: Brainstorming

I think I will keep the scandalous Riverland house.  So this would mean I’ve been fostered longer than I had originally thought but that’s ok.
Green
player, 41 posts
Fri 19 Jun 2020
at 21:07
  • msg #51

Re: Brainstorming

In reply to Silver (msg # 50):

Sounds good! Can't have too many childhood compatriots.
Gray
player, 179 posts
Sat 20 Jun 2020
at 00:01
  • msg #52

Re: Brainstorming

Out of curiosity, is it uncommon or frowned upon for knights to have more than one squire?
Dragondog
GM, 286 posts
Sat 20 Jun 2020
at 00:16
  • msg #53

Re: Brainstorming

For me, I wouldn't have a problem with a knight having more than one squire.

I can't recall anyone explicitly having more than one or it explicitly being stated that you cannot have more than one in the TV series.
Gray
player, 180 posts
Sat 20 Jun 2020
at 01:43
  • msg #54

Re: Brainstorming

Neat, good to know.  I think Silver and I have come to an agreement as far as their character being a squire (and former page) to mine.
Gray
player, 196 posts
Middle Aged Man
Knight of House Sylvayn
Sat 27 Jun 2020
at 01:13
  • msg #55

Re: Brainstorming

  So one of the events I rolled for Corwyn's backstory was that he was present at a significant tournament as a young adult. My kneejerk thought was perhaps he had competed at the Tourney at Harrenhal, but I also considered that maybe House Sylvayn had its own great tourney that drew knights and the like to our mighty castle. Alternatively, there could have been significant tournaments elsewhere in the Kingdoms.

  What do you all think? What tournament was Corwyn at and what made it so significant?
Green
player, 49 posts
Sat 27 Jun 2020
at 01:25
  • msg #56

Re: Brainstorming

In reply to Gray (msg # 55):

Hmmmm... maybe you met the young Robert Baratheon? He used to live in the Vale and probably competed here.
Gray
player, 197 posts
Middle Aged Man
Knight of House Sylvayn
Sat 27 Jun 2020
at 01:44
  • msg #57

Re: Brainstorming

  Ah, perhaps!  I forgot briefly about Robert and Eddard having fostered at the Eyrie.
Green
player, 50 posts
Sat 27 Jun 2020
at 05:58
  • msg #58

Re: Brainstorming

In reply to Gray (msg # 57):

King Robert seems like he'd care more about his old tournament buddies than high nobles.
Gray
player, 198 posts
Knight of House Sylvayn
Sat 27 Jun 2020
at 06:05
  • msg #59

Re: Brainstorming

I suppose Corwyn is around the same age as the two of them, this is an interesting line of thought.
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