In reply to Danila (msg # 910):

You definitely have the MGT 2 ship building rules down to an art. We could transport ships the size of the close escorts Danila used to fly. This design lend itself to transporting 30 ton modules. Having a 50 ton cutter would give us the versatility of handing cargo modules. having a fuel module would allow us to be able to skim gas giants or bodies of water for fuel.

In reply to Andrew Steward Copeland (msg # 911):

Do you want a democracy where majority rules, or a dictatorship where the captain decides? It doesn't appear anywhere near unanimous.

In reply to Nerull (msg # 912):

I want a technocracy. Danila designs a container ship, and devises a finance package including a mortgage to allow to pay for it? As long as the owner's name is Gvoudzon O'Ughz our own company whose name I forgot, I prostrate myself to his expertise!

In reply to Gvoudzon (msg # 913):

It all works for me.

I guess options 2 and 3 are OK for most of us.
2Andrew: you decide now - 2 or 3 - and let's move on.

In reply to Danila (msg # 915):

If the GM has no problem let's go for Option two then
This message was last edited by the player at 16:10, Tue 08 Feb 2022.

In reply to Nerull (msg # 912):

In the game The Captain makes the final decisions on the ship. The player playing the captain wants his fellow players and GM to be happy with the new direction. If it was me who was holding up the process it wasn't the my intention.

Danila: . The player has a couple of competent issues but otherwise loves the overall design of the new ship




Gentlemen let get this game rolling

In reply to Andrew Steward Copeland (msg # 917):

I guess you and Gvou will be happy to change the ship for some better fighting capability - it's OK for me (let's just wait for Nerull to confirm our choice). However I would recommend to make a trip or two using March Harrier in order to earn some more safety money and then switch the ships (though Hunter/Trader is viable as is from the box).

The issues you mentioned - are they those in your msg #911 or is there something else you want to add to the design?

In reply to Danila (msg # 918):

When I first joined this game I thought I could work with my knowledge of MGT 1 to muddle through this campaign  <waits until laughter subsides>. Eventually I had to get to  MGT 2 core rules as well as the Spinward Marches supplement. When you presented all these fantastic designs I realized I needed to also purchase a MGT 2 High Guard in order to make informed decisions. I glad I did because I wasn't aware the changes to the system and the brain power needed to come up with a ship that is a good fit for our group.

And this point I have not so much critiques as questions on certain aspects of the design


I love the external cargo concept. It bring to mind the LSP Deneb class Modular Starship

https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/...ass_Modular_Starship

This is why using the 30 ton cutter modules with your ship came to mind. I was also think that including a 50 ton modular cutter would allow for ease of moving cargo no what type of starport we go to. could also be used to transport ships with no jump drive as well haul away 400 tons or less derelict ship to salvage/plunder. I definitely want to know what you envisioned how we can use the external cargo/docking for fun and profit.

Years ago when I was playing Cyberpunk 2020 I once asked my GM if my solo could obtain more powerful weapons and armor. his reply was 'Do you want to have to use it?' What I need to know from you and the rest of the crew if we are up to dealing with opposition that will require the increased firepower we would be wielding, also is our beloved GM up to doing the extra work this will require on his part. BTW I didn't realize that small bay are -2 against ships 2000 tons or less.

I also got some ideal on getting help on the mortgage payment but I think I will save that for another entry. I need to sleep.

Can we just flip a coin between the two and be done with it? I don't care one way or the other, but would love to play.

In reply to Joonan Marr (msg # 920):

We decided, #2. Now we wait for Nerull to confirm. And then the show will go on.

if the container ship could contain the chameleon 3.0, may be we could propose its transport to the Scout Service, if they want to detect the Mammoth in the paradise Vargr states.

Yes it can, the Hunter/Trader has universal docking space. However I wouldn't like to put it on our budget, it alone costs half the cost of the Hunter/Trader.

Meanwhile I propose the design of a 20 ton custom launch:
https://docs.google.com/spread...cgI/edit?usp=sharing
This message was last edited by the player at 17:45, Thu 10 Feb 2022.

Of course. :) the Chameleon we're using to scan or Aramanx does not belong to us. It is lent. And if we carry it, the transport is paid. Or part of a paid mission...

In reply to Gvoudzon (msg # 924):

I hosed Winblows 10, my computer guy is running a diagnostic and transferring files from a failed drive. He'll be taking the computer with him tonight when he comes back and hopefully repairing it.

I will be back don't worry. A day or two maybe.

In reply to Andrew Steward Copeland (msg # 919):

And also we can get a discount if the chosen ship is of an older version (with a few quirks may be).

In reply to Danila (msg # 926):

I agree. While I can work with Danila's design I have trouble his ship NOT having a few (and possibly) endearing traits that will come with the ship:

I present a few suggestions. any and all could justify a lower cost:

1. Hanger Queen: the problems with a TL 14+ ship where the average TL capabilities of most crews are
lower means that most maintaining such a ship is beyond all but the richest navies and private venture. Good thing we have a couple of VERY good techs we could up for the job.

2 White Elephant: This could have been a prototype  (LSP would be a good candidate) to create the ultimate multi-task ship that could be converted to multiple tasks by a planetary or Subsector Navy.  When  the tech geniuses with a near unlimited buget completed their dream ship the accountants and sales people informed the management there was no market for their dream ship. This poor ship could have been languishing is a drydock neglected and alone for a long time before our heroes come in the give the ship a new lease on life.

3 Proof of Product: To go along with the above some of those techies who have since risen in the megacorp (or their descendants) would redeem their reputation by allowing the heroes a to "Field test" the design in exchange for a discount.

4. A fixer-upper: In contrast our dream ship could have been turned over to the scout service as surplus. Serving on the border for decades the ship could have broken down on Aramaxn. If it is a recent breakdown it's last cargo could be the Chameleon mk3. If both the ship and the boat were left in a forgotten dockyard would pose a definite mystery.

5. Salvage: Perhaps we have yet to find our dream ship. During the course we could find clues about it existence or we simply stumble across it. The purpose of the mortgage would to pay for the rebuilding the ship into a flyable condition.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:10, Sat 12 Feb 2022.

In reply to Andrew Steward Copeland (msg # 927):

That all sounds good, now we just need to agree on it.

All is good (the only exception is that Chameleon in #4 is too cheesy).

In reply to Danila (msg # 929):

Just post the one you decide on and let me know. As far as combat, we'll learn together and teach each other. In 3 years in 11 Traveller games here, never really been in combat!

No-no, it's your job! ;)

In reply to Danila (msg # 931):

Hehehehehehe, posting the one you like? You have to give it to me first.

In reply to Danila (msg # 929):

You're right. I was brainstorming and throwing everything I could. (Except a indirect gift from the ancients ;p )

In reply to Andrew Steward Copeland (msg # 927):

Really we could combine some or all of them.I threw the Chameleon in as a joke so we can disregard that part. One through four can be thrown together on various levels. The trick would be would it happen to be on the same planet we are on. If not we  could take up Danila's suggestion to have a few final runs on the March Harrier to build capital to help maintain the dream ship.

Option five, the salvage option, would be an adventure in itself. Depending what we need to do to find out this missing ship and what we need to do to find it. The salvage option would have the least strings attached. The only financial hold would be how much of a mortgage it would take to make it space worthy and the most powerful GM would ultimately determine the 'discount' we would get from the salvage option as opposed to the other methods. I look forward to what misery adventure the might Nerull will inflict to us with the "new" ship.

In reply to Andrew Steward Copeland (msg # 934):

Let's just steal Wolbutn! No mortgage, at least, and it's sort of sanctioned. ;P