Welcome all!

Hi!

Whoo!  Lots of excitement.  Let's get the party started.

Hello!

Any thoughts on classes?

GM do you have any character creation guidelines?

Okay, now we've got 4 of us.

Character creation.
I think most things from published books would work.  Maybe steer clear of things that are known to be super unbalanced, like the synthesist summoner.  Kingmaker has a lot of outdoors exploration - you can see the Player's guide on Paizo's site for free.  There are some dungeons, so while something like a Cavalier might be more useful than the average AP, there's still some situations when a medium-sized person on a large mount still wouldn't work.

What's the usual point buy assumption?  I think the APs are supposed to be built around 15 points, but if there's three of you, we should go a little higher.  20 work?

I might be interested in a ranger going for ranged and two-handed.

I'm leaning towards Oracle myself.

I’m reading through the player’s guide now. I’d like to play a Druid for the first time... or a treant.

Why not both?

You could ask for permission to play an oakling (https://www.d20pfsrd.com/races...-publishing/oakling/) and flavor it as a baby treant. :-)

I've read through the players guide and this is a very interesting concept. It reminds me of the Test of the Warlords module I played through as a kid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_of_the_Warlords

...although a lot better :)

Oh, and I looked through the oakling and it looks like a little fun, although a little OP :)

I would like to play something different like that, as long as it meshes with the DM's concept for how the game will fit together.

Yeah, Oaklings are probably a tad more powerful than standard races, but not by much. Standard stat bonuses (although perfect ones for a melee druid), +2 natural armor and saves against a fairly broad spectrum of effects. You'd lose natural armor in wild shape though, so there's that. Also, with only three of us (most adventure paths assume 4 PCs), being a bit higher power than usual might be helpful.

For my oracle, I was thinking order of the godclaw, with the idea being that has "ideas" about a new, perfectly society and joins the mission to bring a new order to chaos.

Yeah, I think the module is fairly flexible.  I mean, at some point, you're going to end up running a kingdom.  Probably at least one of you should be something relatively "normal", though maybe if you all were strange races you'd aim to get a lot of the other strange race to settle there.

So shall we finalize character creation?
Point buy, 20? 25?
Two traits?

I would probably run a human.

Yeah, let's go with 20 pts, two traits sounds good.

Great! I’ll get on it. With a character a little more sensible than a treant :)

This is DnD we are doing?

I'm comfortable running 3.5, 5E or Pathfinder.  I think the consensus here was for Pathfinder, right?

Any thoughts on allowing another player into the game?  Someone just sent me an RTJ.

They're Vatticone, who is playing Zylphyr Liorinin in GralphidB's Lost Crusade game.

I prefer pathfinder, although I'm ok with 5e.

I have no problem with Vatticone, a good player who posts regularly. Did you advertise the game, or did Vatticone just find it?

In reply to GralphidB (msg # 20):

I didn't advertise.  He just found it.

An additional player would be great.

Ok, I'll add them.

Welcome to the game, Vatticone!  We're still discussing character creation.

Thanks for letting me butt in! Is everyone still going with Ranger, Oracle, and Druid? A Magus or Wizard might complement that.

Well, unless we think it'll be too many front-liners or not enough spell power, I think I'll go Magus? Just need the go-ahead and to have my character sheet unlocked.

I kept going back and forth between more of a melee oracle and more of a caster one. If you're going to go Magus, I'll go full casting-focused, doing a mix of blasting, debuffing, and buffing.

Ranger could be melee or ranged, and druid could be melee or caster focused (or both if you get an animal companion).

Well, I don’t know if ‘too many members who can survive in melee‘ is really a problem. :D And either way Oracle will have full 9-level casting.

Ok, I have a concept that's starting to gel. Half-orc Oracle of the Godclaw mystery, spirit guide archetype.

Mechanics wise, I'm dumping str in favor of charisma, which will make the first level or two a bit rough until I get enough spells per day to be consistently useful. Focusing on evocation and debuffing (using Asmodeus's Boon to turn damaging spells into debuffs), plus the general versatility of a full-caster, albeit a spontaneous one. Spirit Guide (which I will flavor as concentrating on the different aspects of the Five Gods of Order he draws power from) will give him a decent bit more versatility from day to day.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:44, Mon 21 Sept 2020.

I always forget I need to unlock character sheets, because I only do it once per game.  In any case, that's done.  All the concepts sound good so far.  Put done some pen to paper (or electrons to digital storage) and let's see those characters.

If it works for everyone else, I'm settling on the concept of Logan Garess, a lesser noble with a troubled past and some emotional and moral shortcomings.

Just a quick heads up: I’m donating a kidney to a family member tomorrow, so I’ll probably be out of touch for a day or so.  Everyone work on making you character and we can start playing by the end of the week?

In reply to DM (msg # 32):

Wow, best wishes to the both of you!

Good health to you and your family!

Back from the hospital. Not 100% (and not getting back to work yet) but I can type.

Glad to hear it went well. I'm 95% done with my character sheet. Still need to find a picture.

So how does it feel being down a kidney? I've only had wisdom teeth removed and I'm still aware of an empty space back there!

Well, aside from the pain constantly emanating from my still-healing abdomen?  Not too much different.
I just switched from Percocet to Tylenol because I wanted to get back to work after taking a week off, and I don't think I can really concentrate on the good stuff.  But apparently it takes like 2-3 days for Percocet to stop working, whereas I thought it stopped working after like 6 hours.  So learning about all the places where I'm hurting but didn't realize it because I've been on paid meds for the past week.

Ugh. Sounds nasty.

I think I'm done with my sheet. How's everyone else doing on it?

Mine's been done for a while now, but it looks like the other two haven't logged in since I joined. How did you all get together before I found the game? I assumed it was the 'Wanted - GMs' board since I don't watch that.

Nah, it was by rMail. The GM messaged a bunch of people from an old game we had all been in together and asked if we were interested in starting a new game.

Yeah, looks like we only have two players actually logging in.  We could move forward and attempt to find more people from Players Wanted?

Players Wanted or by reference(though vouching for another player has bitten me in the ass before.)  However you like, if you're up to it(take all the time you need to recover.)

Yeah, seems like if we're going to play we'll need to do some recruiting.

So, do any of you know people to fill out a game?  I have to admit, my pool of references here is pretty low - I just started back in after I was able to work from home back in march.  At my office, they block RPOL, but I'll be working from home through at least next year.

Last time I recommended someone it bit me and GralphidB in the ass, so I'd rather not. :/

It might be better to post a wanted ad, over-recruit, and kill off the disappointing ones. }:^)

I'll ask around in the games I'm in, but I agree it might make sense to advertise in the players-wanted thread.

I think one or two of the players from my game sent in RTJs, so that might give us a good group.

I’ve got two people who have sent me RtJs already, one who I played with before, so I think that might be good for now?  I can add them and we can finish character discussion and then start the game. Maybe if we need new blood we can turn to Players Wanted.

Okay, now we should have four active players!

Hi!
 I’m playing Setu in GralphidB’s game, and also briefly played in one of angryjohn earlier games.

I was thinking wizard or druid — any preferences or suggestions?

If you’re going magus and oracle, we have intelligence and charisma covered, maybe a wisdom-based caster would be better.

Welcome!

Druid makes sense, and my understanding is that someone skilled in outdoor based skills would also be quite helpful for this particular campaign.

Welcome! That's a good point about the nature skills, and I think having different primary stats will be useful in kingdom building, too.

Druid it is!  You seem to have melee covered (tell me if that’s not the case!)
I would go the more spell caster focused route.
Middle aged nomad from a tribe in the stolen lands, with a link to the First World.
She wants to keep an eye on how this “civilisation” process unfolds.
But she’s had serious problems with the general lawlessness of the region.
She rides a horse who is a little bit more than your average pony.

I've been going back and forth between a more melee and a more spellcasting focused oracle. I had originally been leaning towards a spellcasting based blast and debuff build, but I could do either, and I was thinking I'd wait to see what everyone else does. If you go more casting, I'll build for melee instead.

To free you guys up for what you would like to do, it looks like we need some melee and a skill monkey.

I think I'll run a master summoner.  Mini-eidolon and I can handle traps,  and any other skills the party lacks, and summons can handle tanking for the group.

(I will probably focus on strength to be a back-up tank, and don't plan on using master summoner to flood the field with minions but to let me summon one-at-a-time while still getting to have the skill-monkey eidolon around.)

EDIT: On to thinking about an inquisitor (Monster tactician) instead - I could do the skill monkey stuff myself, still have the summons to tank for the team, and would not have the extra paperwork for the beastie.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:25, Sat 17 Oct 2020.

I've gone pretty deep on character creation - I've got my archetypes, feats, and some skills locked in, and needed to know a few things before I finalize skill points, traits, and plan my starting gear:

GM: are we doing background skills, and what are we using for starting wealth: class rolled, class average, 150, 300, or something else?

Gralphid: are you planning on diplomacy?

For you all's info: I plan to go heavy armor, reach weapon, and summon for combat.  Maybe involving a horse, maybe on foot.  I will have a solid diplomacy and could do (monster) knowledges and perception/disable device.  Assuming we're doing positions, my eye would be toward General, Councilor, or Marshall in that order.

Well, I was going Strength-Based Magus(Str 18, Int 15,) but I'd be fine switching to a Dexterity-Based Magus instead to mix it up a bit.

I’m thinking Druid with some riding and ranged weapon options.

I know close to nothing about Kingdom management roles, but I’m going to beef up Wisdom.
I seem to remember that ideally you’ll want at least one high score in intelligence, wisdom and charisma to fill out the main government roles.

Each role has options, and we will have to fill a bunch of roles with npc's regardless.

Vatt, you don't have to change from strength magus for me.  Having two strong guys up front won't hurt the team and if we are going to be doing kingdom roles, there are at least three strength-fillable roles, so even with both focusing on it, we will still need an NPC for one.

Although if there are roles which are strength-based, we’d be better off filling them with an ox  :D

I’m still torn between Druid or Wizard, although Druid seems like the most versatile and useful option in this world of wilderness...

Do we have traits? Two as per usual?
Do we need a campaign trait, and if is it additional to the standard two?

Two traits, one can be a campaign trait if you wish.

And as to starting gold and background skills?

For reference: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/background-skills/

In reply to Enchanting Wizard of Rhythm (msg # 61):

There's always the Minotaur race!
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/races...-sheepdog/minotaurs/


Part of the problem is I made this character a month ago and now my mind is ready for something new. XD

 I like the background skills rules.
 Always nice to invest in craft, profession, and knowledge.

 Talking of knowledge, I'm going full to Nature and some ranks in Geography.

 Still not sure if I should take a Domain or an Animal Companion.

Doing Background skills makes a lot of sense.

For starting gold, take average for your class.  (Unless you've got a trait that gives you more.)

So what do we have so far?  Magus, Druid, Oracle?

Yes, I will be keeping bluff, diplomacy, and intimidate maxed out, plus sense motive (although my wisdom is much lower than my charisma), so I should be able to serve well as party-face. I could do ruler or high priest.

Getting excited to start running this!  Got some of the maps set up in Roll20: the overall exploration Hex Map and the Oleg's Trading Post.

It looks like you all have character sheets up and, if not done, very close to being finalized.  Let me know when they're finalized, and I'll look them over (and set everyone's name to their character name instead of RPOL user name.) Also, as I'm setting up all the maps, is everyone happy with the character portraits they've chosen?

Sorry, not me. Undergoing a sex change along with my stats and archetype change, but keep getting pulled away.

Happy with my portrait, and sheet nearly done.

I've maxed wisdom, so you can leave Sense Motive to me if you want.

Still not sure about my name and archetype.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:37, Wed 21 Oct 2020.

I think this portrait will do.

I think I'm happy with this portrait, and my sheet is done. I decided to go ahead and stay with caster-focused. Dumped strength and took the blackened curse means that I will be completely useless with weapon-combat. That does mean that the first few levels I will be pretty limited once I run out of spell-slots.

 So you've dumped strength, so have I, and it looks like Vatticone is dex-based.

 Is there anyone here who can lift a medium-sized rock?

Maybe I should take ant haul...

 I'll bring a horse, he can do the lifting :D

Good on my portrait, getting close on my sheet.  Going with a professional soldier/militia officer geared toward being our general some day.

As long as the rock weighs less than 600 I can lift it off the ground.  Less than 300 and I can lift it over my head.

 Aaah, at least we have one strongman in the house.
 GM, were you looking to get more players, or is it just the 4 of us?

I think 4 is good.  If we need to recruit more, we always can, but I'd rather have 4 strong players.

Okay, when people are ready, I've made two threads: one for a meeting with the Lord Mayor that will act as a prelude and a chance to introduce your characters, and the other with you arriving at Oleg's and the start of the adventure proper.

Sheet is ready for review.  Thanks for the name fix.

In reply to Aeron (msg # 82):

"You done messed up, A-E-Ron!"

But... it's Aeron.

Thurak, your build kinda reminds me of a build I've been trying to get a chance to play for a while, but doesn't really shine if someone else takes on the Healer role:

Half-Orc Sorcerer with the Phoenix Sorcerer Bloodline, maybe even Crossblooded with Efreeti/Elemental or just a Fire Dragon.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/class...-sorcerer-bloodline/
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/class...o/efreeti-bloodline/
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/class...elemental-bloodline/
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/class.../draconic-bloodline/

Phoenix bloodline is interesting, not one I had seen before. You could use some long-duration fire spells (like flaming sphere or whatever) to provide some pretty effective ratio of healing/spell use out of combat.

Exactly, and Half-Orc Favored Classes gives +1/2 levels to fire spell damage and Efreeti/Elemental lets you swap other energy damage to fire to expand your options or Fire Dragon to to just pump them up with +1 damage/dice.

To keep things fair you might have to avoid the elemental cantrips...

There's also a few fire spells with duration: concentration. It'd be slow, but Boiling Blood could be a level 2 cure-all.

Nice. My build is going to be fairly heavily built around Asmodeus’s Boon: use blasting spells, and if they fail the save they take damage and are shaken.

Oh, nice. So I should wait until after you blast 'em before I attempt anything with a saving throw. :)

Yup :-)

Ach, sorry I didn't check in yesterday.  I had signed up to run a virtual marathon, and was planning on doing it Sunday, but it was cold and rainy all day, so I did most of a day's work, and ran yesterday instead.  It's the longest distance I've run in some time, and I was too exhausted to do much last night.  Anyway, I'll update everything now.

 Nice! What makes the marathon virtual? Do you run it on a treadmill?

Is everyone else seeing the map super zoomed in?

Also, Aeron from where you are, won't they see you the minute they enter the fort?

Yeah, I zoomed in the map to cover the portion of the fort where everyone was.  I can zoom it back out again, especially if someone wants to be in another part of the fort.

In reply to Oghul Qaimish (msg # 92):

Well, virtual in the sense that it wasn't on a regular course.  I did the Marine Corps Marathon here in DC last year, which was running all around Arlington, VA and DC.  This year, because of COVID restrictions they couldn't have a big gathering, so you just ran the race whenever you wanted and uploaded your time from a fitness watch.  I've never tried doing a marathon from a treadmill.  I think 7 miles is my best treadmill run, and that's pushing it in terms of sheer mind-numbing boredom.  Running outside is much better!

I will position myself on the center east of the zoomed in map, hiding behind the building next to the cart.

OQ will stand outside the fort, next to her horse. She will slowly and stealthily walk around the fort when the brigands enter, and should get to the gate by the time you attack.

Main game map updated.  There's got to be a better way to do this.  I guess having a labeling system on the map would help - then you could tell me "Put me in F5" or whatever.

Yeah, I'd recommend the following:

Add a labeling system to the map (letters for each column and numbers for each row or whatever) will enable us to clearly identify precise locations. Will especially help once combat(s) start.

The other thing is that rather than using the "Game Map" what I do in my game is to have a thread that is just maps. It's a separate thread, so if the map is unusually big it doesn't mess up the IC text formatting, but because it's in a thread rather than the Game Map you can have explanatory text directly below it, and multiple maps as needed. So you can upload a map, and then put in "grey spots are rocks and difficult terrain, enemy with red circle is currently on fire, etc.") and have that directly below the map for clear and easy reference.

Just a suggestion!

Ah, that's a good idea!  I'll add that now.

 I find the Maps Thread a great idea.
 Personally I'm a lazy GM so I rely on description and sometimes a bit of this:


Not sure if it's easier to manage.

I feel like a text-based map *should* be easier to manage, but it always seems difficult when things start changing and my formatting gets off.  It also seems as though sometimes Macs don't like to copy and paste between documents and text input on a web browser (or at least the programs I've used in the past didn't like that.)
I have Roll20, and I like the graphical maps it produces, plus I've gotten pretty adept at using it.  I have a paid subscription, so one possible solution is to just have the battlemap on Roll20 and you can all log in to the game. and actually move your tokens on the map.  I didn't want you to have to jump into different platforms to handle that, but it's another option.

 I'm not crazy about changing platforms. If it's just about consulting the maps there,  I'm cool with it though.

I think going forward, I'll include a recap showing the conditions of each enemy.  (Possibly each PC as well?) Where's the best place to put that?  On the map thread or the game thread?

I think we're 50/50 for this, but when someone casts a spell, can you add in the spell save and DC to your description?

Do you allow alchemical power components? I could use the alchemist's fire to enhance burning hands.

In reply to Thurak (msg # 105):

Yeah, I'm okay with alchemical power components.

Well, Saviǣ isn't qualified to be an interrogator. Charisma and Wisdom were both dump stats...

In reply to Saviae Aessildais (msg # 107):

You can forgo the roll if you want.  There's no time pressure and no reason one character couldn't interrogate multiple bandits.  I guess I should have said "everyone who wants to try."

Gah, sorry for the slow pace this week.  I was helping to host a web conference for 5 hours on Wednesday and Thursday, and got completely burned out from sitting in front of a computer.  Then I had to spend all day today catching up on emails and work I had put off Wednesday and Thursday.

Man, this has been a tough week.  We've been sending our kids to a local place that's been supervising virtual learning for a handful of kids, but decided to keep them home this week because we were worried about a possible spike in infections following Thanksgiving here in the states.  Luckily, that seems not have happened in our area, but man, I forgot how hard it is to work with the kids at home!

We've decided to pull both of my kids from daycare until at least mid-January out of fear of a spike from Thanksgiving and then again for christmas and new years. My wife and I are going to take time off and work-half time and tag-team watching them. I might have less time/energy to post though.

I’m already struggling to focus on work with a puppy, can’t imagine with kids!
Good luck to you both.

Yeah, we're worried about the same thing.  The post-Thanksgiving spike doesn't appear to have materialized in our area, though part of me is worried that testing is getting overwhelmed at this point.  But I'm sure the same thing will happen after Christmas as well, and we'll pull them out for at least a week in January.

So, this can be a common issue in PbP games. Decision paralysis. I’ve seen several ways to handle this. First is party consensus, which is nice but can be slow. Another is to nominate a “party caller” who can take input from everyone but ultimately makes the choice. We could also just vote, I suppose, which probably works if there are relatively few options.

Posting two other options IC. :-P

 Is everything ok here? We're fast headed to the holidays – shall we go on hiatus or are we playing through?

I'm still here through the holidays.

GM: Yes, but how should we decide on the two options? :-)

More seriously, I'm ok with either but I feel that the "party caller" tends to work best. I am willing to do it, but will also defer if someone else wants to.

 I'm very much in favour of a party tiebreaker.
 Shall we hold elections? Maybe start by forming an electoral college and bicameral system?
 Oghul is not a candidate by the way, she favours different ways of rising to power ;)

If we hold elections and it doesn't go my way I'm crying fraud.

I also wouldn't mind being the caller.

I am pretty sure I'll win the election once my 130,000 extra votes get counted. :)

 We'll have to wait a few weeks until all the ballots from the outer rims are counted...

 It sounds like it will be between Aeron and Thurak — let's hear your opening arguments!

To the earlier question, I should be good for continuing this over the holidays.  We're not planning on doing any traveling, and although I'll have my kids at home for thte next two weeks, my company also shuts down from Christmas-New Years, so I should be able to find some time to update each day.  I've been a little busy the past week with all the other end-of-year stuff, doing performance evaluations and finishing projects for work, but now that's basically over.

Hah!

Well, my basic argument IC is that Thurak is a high charisma party face kind of person who would want to take the lead. OOC, I'm fine either way, but I do promise to post/log-in frequently enough to keep things moving along.

My basic argument is that Aeron dresses like a paladin and thus looks utterly honest and predictable.  Instead, he's an inquisitor that can do what he feels is right.

Aeron's actually pretty entirely *not* built to be the decision-maker, and everyone should vote for Thurak.  I just figured it would be more fun to give him a brief run for it.

Quick question re distances — is 55 miles the same as real life miles?
That seems like an awful long distance to pinpoint a thicket of berries.

In reply to Oghul Qaimish (msg # 125):

Yeah, it’s the same. It’s basically because all the distances are in terms of hex size.

I'm sorry if anyone was waiting on me to post. Saviǣ didn't have anything else to add and life's been crazy this last month.

Ha, crazy month?  Understatement of the year.  Yeah, I was kinda waiting for everyone to chime in, and then I got caught up in business too.  I'll make a post now.

 I suggested the diversion because I thought we didn't have a clear shot from current position, but if we do, don't wait for me!

I've lost track of time - have we rested and recovered spells since fighting the bandits at Oleg's?

No clue on timing - to Bokken's took to midday but I've got no idea after that.

Talking about something in PM's w/ the GM - please hold off on reacting to Kressle's turn.

You've definitely rested with since Bokken's.  If the slowest person in the group moves at 30', it takes about 21 hours to cross 1 plains hex and 2 forest hexes, so you definitely need to take a rest en route.  Even if you're all mounted on 50' horses, it's 13+ hours of travel.

Ok, sounds good. Thurak will be casting bless granting everyone a +1 bonus to hit, but I can wait until after Kressle finishes resolving whatever.

Kressle stuff is all resolved - thanks DM!

(Repeats to self: Specific trumps general, specific trumps general.)

It's amazing that I've been playing Pathfinder for I don't know how long, and I'm still seeing new things.  I had no idea there was an archetype that let you summon as a standard action!

Hah! There's actually a few ways to summon as a standard action.

Yeah, outside of the feats (one for divine one Magaambyan casters, one for other arcane casters), there's this (monster tactician) and a couple of archetypes for other classes that copy-paste the summoner's monster summoning spell-like-ability.

My original plan was summoner but it seemed like we needed a skill-monkey and a front-liner so I shifted to this.  Everything the party needed, plus I still get to summon.

Since we're talking about rules ... how does Kressle get 2 attacks in her standard action?

Ach, you're right.  She needs to do a full-round action to use two-weapon fighting, doesn't she?.  That means the eagle is still alive with 1 hp.

If you can't tell, I'm a little rusty at Pathfinder rules.  I've been running mostly 5E recently, so I have to get re-aquainted with the PF rules.

Sorry, dropped the ball here.  Waiting on Aeron to make his post.  I think there was a disagreement about where the Entangle spell was getting cast.

 If I can clarify, Oghul cast roughly 10/15ft behind the chieftain so that it reaches just the edge of the platform.

I've had a bit of a COVID-related personal issue come up, and as a result I will be very busy and likely posting less frequently at least until this coming Monday. On Monday the whole family is getting re-tested and hopefully this is just a false alarm and I can resume my regular posting rate.

Sorry - hadn't remembered seeing Oghul's PM response that now that she understands what it would do, she wants to keep it how she wrote it.

They are pretty solidly Aeron-proofed: he can't charge, even if the horse makes his save he can't make it in range to attack anyone, while the bandits are free to take shots at Aeron and Mick.  I'll post something momentarily.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:08, Thu 11 Feb 2021.

Sorry I didn’t realise you would act before the bandits.
My thought process was that only some of them would fail the save, the others would come out and you could pick those.
Actually you could delay your initiative and do that.

Boss, could you confirm which squares are difficult terrain or not?
We could use a coordinate system, A-Z horizontal and 1-20 vertical or something.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:39, Thu 11 Feb 2021.

Whether they they save or not, there is no reason for them to come out to let me ride them down.  There is every reason to sit back on the now fortified terrain and pepper us with arrows.  If they did decide to walk out to where we can stab them, it would tak most of them multiple turns to get there b/c of difficult terrain and more chances to fail saves.

In reply to Aeron (msg # 146):

-2 Attack rolls on top of -4 Dex makes ranged attacks from entangle troublesome.

Entangle and Web can be annoying for melee types, but they're usually combat winners.

I think we are waiting on the bandits' turn?

Oh geez, sorry!  I completely missed that you had posted.  I think I checked sometime but didn't refresh the page or something because I missed that Aeron has posted.

Is it really that easy to escape an Entangle? I had to look again but I guess the spell doesn't specify that the entangled creatures are anchored. Do the bandits who failed their saves still count as Entangled (-2 Attack, -4 Dex, half speed) after leaving the area?

I think so. That’s how I read it. I mean, you did basically cost them their entire turn though. That’s a favorable trade.

Not to pile on the critiques, but are they/were they moving at half speed AND is everyone, even those not affected, spending 10' per square because of Entangle's difficult terrain? And the radius on the map looks like 30', not 40'.

Oh wait, does the Entangled condition stack with the difficult terrain?  So it takes quadruple movement for those that failed the save and double for those that didn't?  That would change things.  The first time I read that, I thought it was referring to the same thing, but now I see it could be different.

Yes, half movement from the entanglement and difficult terrain from the spell are different things that in effect stack doubly. Also, though not relevant here, terrain effects that hamper movement (Difficult Terrain, Obstacles, Poor Visibility) don't follow the stacking multipliers rules of most d20 and do stack multiplicatively. So 5' under all 3 conditions costs 40'.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/align...escription/movement/

In reply to Saviae Aessildais (msg # 154):

I'm wondering now if I've ever played that spell correctly.  I guess in 5e, the spells restrains creatures if they fail the save, and makes it difficult terrain, so it's a little different.

In reply to DM (msg # 155):

Like I mentioned earlier, I find it odd that the entangle effect doesn't anchor them and somehow stays on them when they leave the area. I've always seen it interpreted to anchor them--meaning they need to break the entanglement to even be able to leave the area. But the spell apparently doesn't say that explicitly.

Of course, Entangle is clearly a really strong spell and would probably be a first pick even if it were 3rd level...

I -just- realized, despite being both an Elf and a Magus and it being listed clearly on my CS, Saviǣ is not actually proficient with a longbow. XD Luckily I suspect the -4 Attack doesn't change the results of her attacks so far.

Well, with the quadruple movement cost on a failed save, you can only move 15' with a double move.  So anyone within 25' of the center of the spell who fails the save will be trapped for at least a full turn, and even if you make the save, if you're withing 10', you're still trapped for a full turn.  That's a pretty powerful spell that can rob someone of an entire turn - maybe a turn and most of their move on the next - for just one action.  In terms of action economy, it's basically the same as sleep, though the fluff is different.

There's a bit in the description of entangle where it says "you can't move if you're entangled by an immovable object or unbreakable force" but I don't think plants qualify as that.

I’ve never played Entangle as anchoring the affected creatures, at least not in 3ed or PF.
But yes, difficult terrain and entangled condition stack, and the entangled condition I think only remains until the end of your turn once you leave the area.

Thurak?

Ack, sorry thought I had posted but apparently not. Will do so now!

GM, I’ve assumed we can reroll ones on Cure spells, is this ok with you?

If so the CLW on Saviæ should bring her back to consciousness.

Where is that from? I've never heard of that rule.

Is that a common house rule?  I've never heard it either.

I've seen it a couple times before, but I wouldn't call it common.

In any case, I have CLW and two remaining slots, so I can heal Saviae if she needs more.

I've also seen a house rule to maximize cure spells outside of combat ... just sayin'...

I thought it was quite common to reroll ones on cure spells.
I think it started with tabletop and GMs just feeling bad when someone spent an spell curing 2 measly hp.
Either way, let me know if that’s not applicable here, Saviae will just heal 2 hp from my spell and can receive some more from Thurak.

Having healing be improved, maybe even maximized outside of combat makes some sense.  (Though if someone has Maximize we'll have to think of something else!)  I do like keeping the randomness in combat.

I don't think we need to worry about anyone being sad if healing is maximized outside of combat regardless of whether anyone takes maximize.

No one takes maximize with the intent to metamagic healing.  By the time someone's throwing level 4 spells, they're probably gonna go cure crit for 4d8+7 (avg 25) rather than using the same slot to maximize a lv 1 for a straight 13.

Ach, sorry.  Been a busy week at work.  And 2/3 of my kids went back to 2-days a week in-person schooling after being out for almost a year!

Since Saviǣ was busy being stabbed to death when it happened, I'll leave it to someone else to bring up the bandit who fled...
This message was last edited by the player at 02:45, Thu 11 Mar 2021.

Ah, work keeps killing me.  We always have fits and starts, but I had to spend a couple days actually *in the office* and our firewall prevents access to RPOL.

I've noted the loot on my sheet, we can discuss and split when we get back:

Loot from river camp:
321 sp
 90 gp
silver earrings (150 gp)
wooden music box (90gp)
crates of furs and hides (3x 50gp)
wooden case of potent greenish herbal liquor (8 bottles, 20gp each)
Each bandit: leather armor, longbow (20 arrows), short sword, 2 days rations, 10gp
Kressle: potion CLW, studded leather armor, 2 masterwork handaxes, 4 daggers, 85gp

How about horses? The bandits that came to Oleg's were all mounted, are there any in the camp?