This spot is for ooc comments

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 1):

Feel free to introduce yourself (or your character) here

Or just drop by and say "hi"

Howdy, y'all.

Hello, there!

Hey hey!

Hi all. Hope nobody minds someone who doesn't have a secret identity and couldn't maintain one if he tried (not public identity either, though) given his looks.

Are we getting a space in character derails to put a character sheet in?

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 7):

I have added a character sheet in the character details

Or make your own.   I'm not picky

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 8):

Remember  I can't start the game without full characters.

I have quite a few applications.  It may turn into 2 groups.   But, alas, I know lots of people will join and then just stop posting or quit.  People do that.

Which is why you each will start in your own mini adventure

I see that Flicker has his sheet finished. I'm working on mine, with issues from the extreme heat we're having offline.

Actually, I stuck a tentative character sheet in my character's description. There isn't a spot for a Flicker's character sheet, yet.
BTW, hello, all.

* waves *

Seems i was just accepted, now... i just need a character sheet...

cya soon.

What Everyman skills are we using, if any?

I'm getting math migraine, so i'm taking a break for now.  I'm about 70% of the way to a full character sheet, but wanted to take a break to let the game master browse and comment on where i am.  Will push to finish tomorrow based on his input.

I've been through a few drafts.  I always forget how HERO works, then I forget how you build HERO characters, then I make something too complicated, and then I have to start all over with something cleaner.

Anyway, I'm pretty far on the back end (I hope) of the curve.

If anyone uses Hero Designer, I've been hacking away at a template that works with RPOL a bit better than most of the default ones.

I built a template for RPOL, focused on v6 with a basic output. I used it to spit out that which is currently in my character's description.

I had a 6e version for another game that I am enjoying, and am working on a  onversion. It'll be a few days at most.

I couldn't sleep so I went ahead and tweaked my template to use easy tables.  A sample and the .hde code are in my description for the moment.  I'll probably do yet another version with dice code in it for Characteristic rolls.  But not tonight.

In reply to Madam Eventide (msg # 18):

Feel for you.

I've been making a serious effort to work with 'simple' builds.  The concept can be as complex as you want but really it makes life all around easier to have a simple complex.

350 is a huge sum of points.  You really shouldnt feel the urge to min max with such a large budget.

I've actually been rethinking and going back to working on a new build and working something out with the game master.

Any ways... i just realized time might be a little short for me today, so i might have to rethink how much time i have to do this character sheet today.

Somehow I skipped them.  Sorry and fixed

"Simple" rarely works for me with my outre concepts. Not having multipower or elemental control complicates things in this case (my single stop sign mechanic for this character is an adder), so I'm scaling back the larger powers as much as I can so I can fit things in.

I think the only 'officially' questionable power that 'i' have control over is the 8pt Transform, which was bought because that was the only option for 'Instant Change' which they got rid of in this edition.

Barbie is falls into the 'tankish' template.  She's not quite as durable as a 'FULL' tank, but falls closest to that archetype.

Non-tankish attributes fall inline along the lines of being pretty quick and actually being a very social 'people person'.  Have most.. of a character sheet done, just trying to negotiate some stuff that concerns the game master.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:57, Mon 07 Sept 2020.

*cheers*

Okay, my character sheet just got approved.

I need to contemplate what her costume looks like now...

o.o

... and... now i'm done.

https://sta.sh/026m8cx1hgn8

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 9):

Yup, Barbie, Madam Eventide,  and Sharpshooter are approved

I should have mine up later tonight.

In reply to Charge (msg # 26):

Flicker has been approved

What a doll!

Well my character certainly won't mind at all. She's in the same boat, being that she looks like a humanoid bat woman all the time. :) I should have a first draft of a character sheet (subject to edit by suggestion) by tomorrow at the latest.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:30, Mon 07 Sept 2020.

From the descriptions we have an interesting mix.

Well... Barbie is pretty well known, but i didn't pick up Public Identity cause i wanted to leave room for her to have a private life.

I'm going to presume we all meet at Stronghold eventually, this should be fun.

I went with the classic scientist/speedster, but I can see others were more creative in their... creating.

Sharpshooter, while not a household name, would be mentioned in a few History books.

Everyone's heard of Barbie dolls...

I suppose you can think of me as the life sized action figure version?

In reply to Barbie (msg # 34):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 35):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDWOKikoV0w

I could imagine some villain trying to clone Barbie and getting this instead, a la https://shezow.fandom.com/wiki/SheZap_(character)

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 35):

heh.

Yes, one of her catch phrases leaping into battle is, "It's a Barbie World!"

or

"We can do anything!"

Mad Al is awesome.

That would be an awesome theme song for an anti-Barbie nemesis.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 38):

So yeah I am going to be working up my sheet since we just got added. And yeah that's his Codename. Redacted sounds better than R.E.D.

Also are we just random Supers or a member of a group(Justice League or PRIMUS)?
This message was last edited by the player at 18:59, Tue 08 Sept 2020.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 39):

You are random right now

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 40):

Had to ask.

Little is known about Charge's normal ID. However her Hero ID has some renown to it. Villain's tend to underestimate her because they just see a normal looking black her attractive girl with a pair of marbles in her hand. It's when she sends her powers into the small metalic flakes inside the marbles things get interesting.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 32):

Seems like I'mma become the Science guy 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Okay for all who are curious, Nightshade is fully described w/picture so feel free to go to her character description and take a look.

Hey Nightshade, I assume it's the same Nightshade I played with you with in Quoza's other games where I played Michelle?

Yep we're back again.

I didn't want to play Michelle here because I already have a version of her on rPol in another game. I did propose Charge and Marie (Mind Dagger) for this game though and Quoza liked Charge.

I think you might of been in a game I used Marie in before way WAY back in the Hero Central days.

  I played briefly with Sharpshooter previously in a very short lived Golden Age Champions game.

I believe there's a Sharpshooter in another game I'm currently in, although it is one that seems to be fading.



In reply to Steel Sevent (msg # 43):

Perhaps, but Flicker is mostly speedster and your moniker suggests the character is mostly technology.

I think I played with Nightshade in an old RPoL Champions game. I think I was playing either Tantrum or Nighthawk in that game.

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 50):

I've played with Nightshade in several games, on here, on the old Hero Central website, in one game our characters even dated for a bit. lol

I played with nightshade as a kid; I was only comatose for a couple hours but my parents still made me quit.

Nightshade looks a little familiar to me, i think we might have played together in another game where i was playing Solaria?

It was the first time i played Solaria and a lot of fun, but the game master had way too many players to manage so i declined the campaign after a few days.

Hopefully, better luck here.  Barbie has been a work in progress for me for a while now, but this is the first time i'm actually roleplaying her.


btw, strange question this is but, does Night Shade have arms?  The picture makes it look like you have wings in place of arms, though they might just be covered by the wings too so it's hard to say.

Hmm...

Madam Eventide, you already posted the character sheet so it shouldn't be a huge breach of privacy to request for you to post it 'here'.


The reason i'm requesting this, is because it would make it notably easier to clone the code with a copy/paste of the character sheet here (to be modified).  You can't copy paste the code  used on a character description.

Tunneling is an interesting power with some interesting utility use.

My only thought on Eventide was that her Presence doesnt change when she Get Huge.  I would certainly listen to someone that was 6'7, but I would certainly pay more attention and be inclined to listen to someone that was 50'+ tall.

I would also point out that Just getting huge cost her 6 end to maintain, add another six for her force field, and that's 12 end, just... standing around.  Making an attack with all that strength is another 7 end.  That's... 19 endurance used in one phase.  She only has 31 endurance, so... she'll be good all out for 1 and a half phases.  2 1/2 if she's just standing around soaking damage and not attacking.

This is your character, and you're obviously free to develop as you see fit, but as a fellow player, i thought you wouldn't mind some observations.  It's worth noting that you're only 282 character points in a 300~350 point campaign, so you have room to work in a few more disadvantages to gather some points for a reduced end cost here and there, or just some extra endurance to improve your duration in combat.

Howdy.

It's been many years since I've played Champions.  That eval Barbie just gave Eventide looks really helpful to work out a characters vision with how it would play out in the game.

I might need that kind of review to get back up to speed on the math portion of things.

I've was introduced to champions way back when.

I've also game mastered a game or two, so i'm working with the insight of a player who wants to role play a 'concept' and not be totally useless in combat, while understanding the concerns of the game masters desire to keep a character from being broken and ruining the campaign.


Player concept is a personal thing, and really shouldnt be messed with.  A player should always play what makes you happy, cause we all join this campaign for the happiness that a fun campaign brings, this is a personal call that someone else shouldn't judge harshly.

What is considered 'broken' and a no-no in the campaign, is also subjective to what exactly the game master wants to deal with, or deems appropriate for his campaign.  Again.  Not something anyone should meddle with but the game master.

So the one place a social sharing can help with is the observation of blinding weakness you might not see yourself, or the sharing of thoughts on how the characters interact.


I'll go on the record to admit that I thought Barbie might have felt a little under powered for a 300-350 point character campaign, but i think she compares favorably to Eventide.  She can't take damage the way Eventide can, but Barbie won't start feeling dizzy from using her powers after 8 seconds either (3 phases of activity for a speed five character).  If Eventide is going to have a such a short duration of activity, she should consider a power limitation that states her powers can only be turned on for a short period of time to get something out of it.


My personal rule of the thumb is, that the character should be able to stand around with their powers turned on, and the Endurance use from these powers should not exceed the Recovery of the character.

The reason for this, is that a character can opt 'reduce' their speed to one, and as such, maintain a 'zero' endurance use for having their powers on when not in combat.

ie.  (Not to pick on her, but because she's the only character we can all see)

Eventide has a Recovery of 6.  So out of combat, when she's just loitering around, we can presume she's 'normal sized' and has her full force field in effect, or she's really large with no force field, or maybe half strength of both.

This is actually not a terrible thing, if she's not in combat i dont see her being 'huge' and out of combat you can presume her force field is not in full effect, and perhaps be at 'half strength'.  If the character is 'resting' to recover end she can maintain a high speed (for reaction) out of combat, so the game mechanics support her powers at a minimal use out of combat, but ... just barely and the moment she gets into a fight her ability to stay in it is going to drop off dramatically.

A couple of possible solutions might be to reduce the power of the force field, and take End Reduction cost for the power.

Changing Mental Defense and Power Defense out of force field for 'Mental Defense' and 'Power Defense', reduce the end cost for those defenses to 'zero', making it easier to maintain the force field, and creating space in active powers to purchase reduced end for force field.

The cost structure of Growth is a little tricky, and the math makes it harder to reduce the endurance cost without losing effectiveness, so the only way to reduce the cost here is to use the power at reduced levels to manage the endurance.

Any ways... that's my thoughts on improving the performance of Eventide with minimal intrusion on the current character... oh...  At level 4 growth you're at -8 dcv, so that 4 dcv, becomes a -4 DCV, you're really hard to miss.  So whatever skill levels you get, you might as well focus on making it.   If you martial dodge, you bring it up to dcv... 1.  This is not a great martial skill for her, though Block is really groovy in that you're using OCV.  Combat level or two could go a long way to make up for that OCV of 4 might be good to help this along.

A general +1 HTH combat skill is 5 points, a +1 OCV for all HTH skills is only 3  (That's a third of the cost for improving dex for the ocv).  You can also consider taking +1 with martial skills, for the same cost of 3 points you limit the bonus to your martial skills, but now you can use them for OCV or DCV, which would improve that dodge, so that your dcv improves to something better than 1 when you dodge.  The everyman civilian on the street has a dcv of 3, while not dodging.


I'm NOT picking on Eventide, just... trying to be constructive about some suggestions.  I will have zero feelings hurt if they ignore it all and play as is.  She is your character and you should be happy playing your character.  Just... .don't get offended or presume i'm being mean, i'm really not.


Mac, if you want my suggestions you can ask my opinion in private, but if you do it here, you can here other players thoughts besides mine which might be good?

I'm done with Barbie, but her current format is a little involved, mostly to show how i calculated power cost and what not, to make it easy for the game master to see how i got the cost.  If/when i have Eventides format to work with, i'll post her here for others to review too.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:52, Wed 09 Sept 2020.

That's just a sample character.  I made it by clicking random options in Hero Designer and posted it to show the format I was using.  If you want it for the character sheet format, you could certainly use it (though you'll probably want to manually add some spaces to it).

Sample Character: https://docs.google.com/docume...Ctk/edit?usp=sharing

HDE code (just paste it into a text file with a .hde extension): https://docs.google.com/docume...gMo/edit?usp=sharing

Madam Eventide, the character, is a darkness-based energy projector and generally better built ;)  She's a re-imagining of a character concept I played in a teen game on HeroCentral way back when (2002, apparently, was when I started with her).  I don't even recall the hero name she went with back then.

Groovy, my bad ignore me then

^.^


btw, a teen dark projector, makes me think of Raven from Teen Titans?
This message was last edited by the player at 15:08, Wed 09 Sept 2020.

Okay, I just sent my second draft. As I'm new to both HERO System and RP ing with dice i apologise in advance for any inconveniences. Same with the fact that I'm dead broke and my only manuals are 6e.

Well, currently I'm building a Gadgeteer/Power Suit guy heavily oriented to skills, and therefore, also heavily oriented to limitations in powers. My politics for when I build a character is to go overboard and then strip down the character from there. And... Well, maybe i gave my boy too many skills, so i may be cutting from there first.

By the way hello everyone.

Updated my description to give you all a look at Sharpshooter's build. I usually have a lot more skill levels, but PSLs do the trick without exceeding GM guidelines.


Also, Steel Sevent? Is that name right? Or was it supposed to be Steel Servant, Steel Serpent, or Steel Seven?


Also, I was at Pacificon when Champions was debuted, and picked up the first book. Wish I still had it, for nostalgia's sake. I even picked up a couple of character sketches from HERO artist Scott Ruggles that I still have.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:24, Wed 09 Sept 2020.

I must be getting into character.  I read it as Steal Savant.

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 60):

The t in steel and in sevent are the number 7.

Question:  If I have Normal Human Maxima, and want to buy up PD/ED when kid brother is injured.  How would that work?

In reply to Mr. MacDonald (msg # 63):

Mr. MacDonald. I'll have to get back with you.

Normally. I read the ooc
Then I read and reply to the private messages. Which takes half an hour.
Then I usually read the ooc again and more messages

Then I go over the character details of those I haven't approved yet (another half hour at the least)

Only the do I read the replies to the game.   Sometimes I don't get to that.

Please be patient and understanding with me.  I try my best and often check on the game again during the day.

No problem.  I wasn't sure I did it correctly.  Rather than take it back to PM, figured someone knows the rules better than I and could help those in the same situation as me.

Is the Defense usable on you or your kid brother? And what fluff form is it taking?

You could use an aid to PD with a trigger defined as noticing injury to kid brother, the trigger resets by recovering long term endurance. This could be defined as an anger induced adrenalin burst, which would fade over a short period and require more than a short breather before it could happen again.

Defense boost only on myself.  I was thinking it would be an anger response.

Interesting you posted the Anger Adrenalin burst.  It sounds like what I was thinking without knowing what I was after.  This is what I love about Champions.  Think up an idea and you can figure out how to build it.

I was hoping for about +10PD/ED.  How would that look and what would the cost be.  Here's where the math comes in.

In reply to Mr. MacDonald (msg # 68):

A character I built in the past is kinda like that. Mind Dagger. All her power's run normally at about 2/3'rd's strength but when she is under strong emotions they boost up to full power. Of course it comes at the price of they could randomly start firing off too, but hey.

Okay i did the math and i exceeded me for quite a large amount of points, and i didn't even assign any extra stats to the base yet XD. Let's start to cut stuff.

In reply to Mr. MacDonald (msg # 68):

An Aid to it would be best in that case. You could have it trigger based on an Enraged Disadvantage that triggers only when brother is hurt. Just saying it's a possibility. But that might be like doubling down on free frostys at Wendy's a big no no up to the GM.

 As for the math that all depends on advantages vs disadvantages. And that is up to you. Cheapest possible would entail more disads. Best build would be balanced. And most powerful would be expensive but highly advantageous.

Yeah i feel for you, been there, done that.  I work under and simple and look at what i have left over after the MUST HAVE is done to add stuff.

Yeah, i do that too.  It's nice to give them a human vulnerable side, or to amp them up with bigger stats for effects when 'it counts'.

For Barbie, I'm going with the tried and true Power Belt.  (OIF)

Pretty obvious and well known, but a bit of a pain for the bad guys to take advantage of it in the middle of a fight, of course if she's rendered unconscious, that's different and fine.  Even superheroines should have those vulnerable 'human' moments to keep the relatable.

Yeah, that's very likely. I miss HC (sigh).


I think it might have been Nighthawk, at least that name seems familiar.


Wait, in which game did our characters date?



Not too strange a question actually. Her arms and hands actually transform into wings when she wants (or needs) to fly (or glide). Her wings are nearly identical to how a natural bat's wings are structured.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:47, Wed 09 Sept 2020.

Okay, i haven't had so much feedback on this yet but I'd like to see if this may make the cut.

Gadgetry: (Cost: 66)

Mimic Beacon [Images, affects sight only. can perform complex movements. Base cost 14] No END (+1) Active Points: 28
Inobvious Accesible Focus (-1/4) Difficult to alter (Half Phase) (-1/4)  6 recoverable Charges (-3/4)
Total Cost: 10
Throwable devices that project a hard light image of a given person simulating a task (Defaults to Steel Sevent in The 77 Suit searching with Hacklens).

Hacklens [3d6 Mind Scan for Machine minds, base cost 9] One Way Link (+1) Indirect (+0), Cannot attack through link (-1/2). + [5d6 Telepathy on Machine minds, base cost 25] Language Barrier (-1/2) Requires a Computer Programming Roll (-1/2)
Active points: 68
Total Cost: 27

Black Mirror [5 M Darkness, Sight Group.] 25 Active Points
 6  Charges (-1 1/4)
Total Cost: 11
A highly dense smokescreen with an extremely low carbon footprint.



Power Suit stuff: (Cost:119)

The 77 [Resistant Protection 12 PD, 12 ED,  base cost 36] Active Points: 54
 Hardened PD (+1/4) Hardened ED (+1/4)
Only on Alternate Identity (-1/4) Obvious Inaccessible Focus (-1/2) Difficult to replace focus (-1/4)
total cost: 17
Standard Powered Armor that protects the wearer. All powers related to this suit except stated otherwise draw energy from 77's battery reserve (see below) instead of normal END.

77's Battery Reserve [Endurance Reserve, 80 END 30 REC, base cost 40]
Active points: 40
Linked to The 77, but can be used apart from its main use (-1/4)  Side Effect: Overdrive (When hit by electric attacks, PC and/or a nearby ally takes 3d6 worth of blast. In case of PC, ignore the Resistant Protection provided by the 77) (-1/2)
total cost: 10

Shockwave [3d6 Blast, base cost 30] autofire up to 3 shots (+1/4) Active Points: 38
Beam (-1/4) No Knockback (-1/4) Can be Deflected (-1/4) Linked to 77's battery reserve and cannot be used apart from it (-1/2)
Total Cost: 17
Gloves that project highly condensed energy.

Rocket Burst [Flight 40 M active points 40] Obvious Inaccessible Focus (-1/2) Linked to 77's battery reserve and cannot be used apart from it (-1/2)
Total Cost: 20
The 77 has a flight system.

Environmental Adaptation Module [Life Support: Self-contained breathing, Safe Environment: Vacuum/Low pressure, High Pressure, High Radiation, Extreme heat and cold. total Cost:19]Linked to 77's battery reserve and cannot be used apart from it (-1/2)
Total Cost: 10
The 77 can offer life support in Extremely hard conditions. It even has an extremely efficient oxygen generator.

Enhanced Armor [+ 30 BODY base cost: 30] Obvious Inaccessible Focus ("The 77") (-1/2)
Total Cost: 15

Piston Strength [+ 20 STR] Linked to 77's battery reserve and cannot be used apart from it (As in:when it's depleted or shut off)(-1/2)
Total cost: 15

N.A.M.I. (Navigation Assistant & Machine Investigator) [+20 DEX +20 INT]  Active points: 40
Linked to 77's battery reserve and cannot be used apart from it (As in:when it's depleted or shut off)(-1/2)
Total Cost: 20

Skills

Skill Enhancers
-  Scientist
- Well Connected
(Cost:6)

Transport Familiarity (4)
- Common Motorized Ground Vehicles
- Small Planes

Combat Driving (3)
Combat Piloting (3)

Language: Spanish (With Accent) (4)

Science Skills (All bought at 3, with 1 discounted from Scientist. Total: 7x2:14)
- Electronic Engineering
- Physics
- Chemistry
- Aerodynamics
- Computer Sciences
- Mathematics
- Hydraulic Engineering

Combat Maneuvers (Street Fighting) (15)
- Choke Hold 4
- Martial Disarm 4
- Martial Dodge 4
- Martial Throw 3

Intellect Skills (30)
- Bugging (3)
- Computer Programming +1 (5)
- Demolition +1 (5)
- Electronics (3)
- Inventor + 1 (5)
- Mechanics (3)
- Security Systems (3)
- Systems Operation (3)

Weaponsmith (5)
- Firearms
- Missiles and Rockets
- Incendiary Weapons
- Energy Weapons

Interaction Skills (total: 12)
- High Society (3)
- Persuasion (3)
- Streetwise (3)

Weapon Familiarity
- Small Arms (2)

Knowledge Skill: (2)
- Local Rich People
- Local Heroes and Villains

Total points on skills: 90

Perks

- Antonio Juárez [11-]. Father (1 relationship) Access to Shady Underworld (1) Restricted by identity (Only civil ID) (-1) (3, -1 from Well Connected, total: 2)
Antonio was put in jail by my PC before he legally changed his name.
- San Angelo University [11-] Good Relationship (+2) Contacts of its own & Access to similar institutions (+2) Institution (x3) (18 -1 from Well Connected, total: 17)

Fringe benefit:
- Engineer license (1)
- Driver's license (1)
- Pilot license (1)
- Concealed weapon permit (2)
- Local Rich Guy club low tier membership (X, up to GM's discretion) [Okay, now, this guy is in a borderline situation. Depending on how much this thing is worth, i may have to remove something else. Right now it's in 348, so depending on how much this thing is worth, i might be needing to make this guy more socially awkward or something else)

Wealthy 9 [around 4 millions a year]

Positive Rep. [11-] Well known in both identities around the world (2)


Talents (13)
Absolute Range Sense (3)
Absolute Time Sense (3)
Lightning Calculator (3)
Speed Reading x10 (4)

Total points on perks and talents: 57

STATS
-3 STR (-3)
+5 DEX (+10)
Base CON
+5 BODY (+5)
+15 INT (+15)
+5 EGO (+5)
-3 PRE (-3)
-2 COM (-2)
base PD/ED
-1 SPD (-10)
+3 REC (+3)
+15 END (+3)
+16 STUN (+8)




Complications

- Marcus Wheeler, DNPC, Normal, Frequent (10) Best friend, an employee the Local Rich Guy club who happened to be a childhood friend for Svent

- Bobby Buckerton, DNPC, Vulnerable, Frequent (15) Annoying fanboy that stalks PC

- Hunted By several Cartels, Less Powerful, NCI, PC Easy to find, Frequent, wants to kill (15)

- Rivalry: Kenichi Oda, Professional rival (Inventor), Wealthier (10)

- Psychological Complication: Code of the Hero(Very Common, Strong) 20

- Psychological Complication: "The Sanji" (Very Common, Total) 25
PC will refuse to fight enemy women at all costs, and has an almost irrational, nearly irresistible urge to assist women (foes included) even at the cost of everything else but his own life and his personal Code.

- Social Complication: Public Identity [20]

- Social Complication: Father's Past, Frequent, Major [15]

- Vulnerable to Mental attacks, Common, x2 [20]

Okay, right off the top.
This is 5e, not 6e.
Disadvantages, not Complications.

Abilities like Dex cost 3 pts, Ego costs 2 pts, End is 1 pt per 2 END, Stun is 1 pt for 1. We use Figured Characteristics.

Powers are in inches, not meters.

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 76):

He doesn't have 5th edition

He doesnt have a power modifier of any sort, and he has a lot of powers.

Maybe a elemental modifier for 'gadgets' could work, or a Multipower of some sort might be useful to recover some character points?

I'm not one to talk, since i didn't really use them either, but he seems to be running on a tight budget since he mentioned being way over earlier?

I've been referring to this https://www.perinatalweb.org/a...o%20System%205er.pdf

In reply to Barbie (msg # 78):

Still waiting on Blood Red Sandman, charge, Redacted and Steel Sevent.

Every one else has been officially started

In reply to Steel Sevent (msg # 75):




Okay... it needs to be said, Unless there are some serious conversion differences between 6e and 5e, that these are *THE* lowest stats I've seen for a 300~350 point champion character.

I would say... they're even low for a 250 character...

They're even low for a 150 point agent.

They ... *might* ... be alright for a 'normal' character.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 81):

That's because i actually had to work with negative 16 points when I started assigning this.
And yes I read about multipowers after i built the thing up. May implement them to get some points back.

But i actually like the idea of my PC being a total average joe besides his dex and wits outside of costume, it feels like it will fit for what i have in mind.

use the normal maximum stats.  You're over qualified to benefit from it.

I took a look, and when you get that stuff translated to fifth edition you'll have plenty of points to fix it up. As an example:

Current
• 
  Hacklens [3d6 Mind Scan for Machine minds, base cost 9] One Way
   Link (+1) Indirect (+0), Cannot attack through link (-1/2).
  + [5d6 Telepathy on Machine minds, base cost 25] Language Barrier
   (-1/2) Requires a Computer Programming Roll (-1/2)
  Active points: 68
  Total Cost: 27

Change to fifth
• 
  Hacklens:  (Total: 47 Active Cost, 20 Real Cost) Mind Scan 3d6
   (Machine class of minds), Reduced Endurance (0 END; +1/2) (22
   Active Points); Instant (-1/2), IAF (-1/2), Does Not Provide
   Mental Awareness (-1/4) (Real Cost: 10) plus Telepathy
   5d6 (Machine class of minds) (25 Active Points); Language Barrier
   (-1/2), Requires A Skill (Computer Programming) Roll  (-1/2),
   OIF (-1/2) (Real Cost: 10)
  Active points: 72
  Total Cost: 20

This message was last edited by the player at 06:06, Fri 11 Sept 2020.

I'd shove a whole bunch of stuff into a multipower, too.

You should probably drop Focus + OIHID (since they're mostly the same thing in this context) and drop any Links to the endurance reserve (unless the power doesn't cost END, stuff is already inherently linked to it).

In reply to Flicker (msg # 84):

Thanks for that, I'm totally stealing you those. Tough for the purpose of actually hacking into the stuff i might use Mind Control instead of Telepathy.

At this point I'm considering making this guy an extremely weak technopath that uses that power mostly to invent things to fight in his lab instead of being able to create them on the fly.

And yeah i removed focus from the armor, but i added an expensive replaceable one the batteries.

  It's been a while since I did certain things with Champions. When it says inches is it being literal. I.e. 4 inches is literally 4 inches.

Since the infamous "elemental control" has been eliminated with v6, you might not be familiar with it. I've always thought
most 'powered armors' worked better as elemental controls than they did as multipowers.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 88):

Lucky us we are using 5th

In reply to Flicker (msg # 88):

That seems quite a handful, but as far as i understand any powers that are always active as long as the armor is set up should be outside of the framework to actually be considered as always active.

So i had to cut down most of the thing down to the basics to prevent overinflated costs. Life supp, bye. Flash def bye. Radio comm bye. They will be added in that priority order as the campaign progress.

For now i have this. I don't include any disadvantages because those remain unchanged from the last upload. Here it is the new version (tough I'm not sure if the calcs in the framework are accurate cause depending on where the division was applied the costs changed a little)

Characteristics (Total: 39)

Stat / Base / Allocated Points / Final Value / Notes
STR/ 10 / 0 / 10 / 2d6, 100kg lift, 2"leap
DEX / 10 / 12 / 14 / CV 5
CON / 10 / 10 / 15
BODY /10 / 4 / 12
INT / 10 / 10 / 20
EGO / 10 / 4 / 12
PRE / 10 / 0 / 10
COM / 10 / -1 / 8

PD / 2 / 0 / 2
ED / 3 / 0 / 3
SPD / 2.5 / -5 / 2
REC 5 / 0 / 5
END 30 / 0 / 40
STUN 25 / 5 / 35

all movement defaults.

Skills (Total: 79)

Skill Modifiers: Scientist, Well Connected (6)

Analyze Technology (3)
Bugging (3)
Combat Driving (3)
Combat Piloting (3)
Computer Programming (3)
Concealment (3)
Cramming  (5)
Deduction (3)
Demolitions (3)
Electronics (3)
Inventor (3)
Language Skill: Spanish (Idiomatic, Native Accent) (4)
Mechanics (3)
Science Skills [Cost-1] (T:16)
- Mathematics
- Computer Engineering
- Plastic Engineering
- Aeronautical engineering
- Physics
- Aerodynamics
- Thermodynamics
- Chemistry
Security Systems (3)
Systems Operation (3)
Transport Familiarity (T: 3)
- Common Motorized Ground Vehicles (2)
- Small Planes (1)
Weapon Familiarity (T:2)
- Small Arms (2)
Weaponsmith (T:4)
- Firearms (2)
- Chemical Weapons (1)
- Energy Weapons (1)

Perks (35)

- Antonio Juárez [11-]. Father (1 relationship) Access to Shady Underworld (1) Restricted by identity (Only civil ID) (-1) (3, -1 from Well Connected, total: 2)
Antonio was put in jail by my PC before he legally changed his name.
- San Angelo University [11-] Good Relationship (+2) Contacts of its own & Access to similar institutions (+2) Institution (x3) (18 -1 from Well Connected, total: 17)

Fringe benefit:
- Engineer license (1)
- Driver's license (0)
- Pilot license (1)
- Concealed weapon permit (2)
- Local Rich Guy club low tier membership (1)

Wealthy 9 [around 4 millions a year]

Positive Rep. [11-] Well known in both identities around the world (2)

Talents (13)
Absolute Range Sense (3)
Absolute Time Sense (3)
Lightning Calculator (3)
Speed Reading x10 (4)

Powers:

Low- End Technopathy [6 STR telekinesis, fine manipulation, active points: 19] Only works on Modern Technology (-1/2) Only works outside of combat (-1/2) Takes 5+ minutes of extra time (-2)
total cost: 5

Multipower: Gadgetry [Reserve: 50]

m Mimic Beacon [Images Sight and Hearing group, complex actions base cost 19] requires a bugging roll (-1/4)
active cost: 19
total cost: 3

m Jumpboots [Leaping 20" always accurate, base cost 25] Easy to replace OIF (-1/4)
active cost: 25
total cost: 4 (19/5)

u Hacklens [Mind Scan for Machine Minds 4d6 base cost 20] plus [Mind Control on Machine Minds 4d6 base cost 20] Telepathic (+1/4) IAF (-1/2)
active cost: 50
total cost: 5 (50/10)

u Black Mirror [4" Darkness, Sight Group base cost:40]
active cost: 40
total cost: 4

u LRAD [4d6 Energy Blast, base cost 20] NND, Sound attack(+1/2) plus [4d6 Flash hearing group, base cost 20]
Active cost: 50
total cost: 5

m Painball [5d6 Ego Attack, base cost 50] PD applies (-1) OIF (-1/2)
Active cost: 50
total cost: 4 (20/5)

Total cost of the MP: 75

--- Armored Stuff goes below here---

The 77 [Armor 9 PD 9 ED, base cost 27] plus [Knockback Resistance 2" base cost 4] hardened (+1/4) OIHID + Extra Time ["Takes at least a whole minute to get in this thing"] (-1/4) (-1 1/2) Lockout (prevents usage of powers in the gadgetry framework due to physical space restrictions) (-1/2)
active points: 39
total cost: 12

77's battery supplies [Endurance Reserve 200 END 5 REC, base cost:25] Linked to Armor (-1/4) IIF, expensive to replace (-1/4) (-1/4)
active points: 25
total cost: 14

Reinforced Hull [+5 BODY,  base cost 10] Linked to Armor (-1/4)
active points: 10
total cost: 8

Multipower: Power Suit [Reserve: 50] Linked to Armor (-1/4)

u Adaptiveinator [6d6 Energy Blast, base cost 30] Any Special Effect (+1/2)
Active points: 45
total Cost: 5

u Rocket Burst [Flight 10", base cost 20] Usable Underwater [+1/4] Usable as Gliding [+1/4] Usable in Vacuum [+1/4]
Active points: 35
total cost: 4

m Hydraulic Impulse [+25 STR, base cost 25] Costs x 3 END to maintain (-1 1/2)
active points: 25
total cost: 2

m NAMI [+20 INT, base cost 20] plus [+10 DEX, base cost 30] Costs END to activate (-1/4)
active points: 50
total cost: 8

Total cost of Mp: 59
total cost of all armor things: 59 + 34 = 93
total cost of all powers: 93 + 85 = 178
total cost of stats: 39
total cost of skills: 79
total cost of talents: 13
total cost of perks: 34
total cost overall: 178 + 39 + 75 + 13 + 34  = 334

16 available points.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:40, Fri 11 Sept 2020.

It should be noted that only powers that cost endurance can be put in the elemental control.  So stuff like Endurance reserve and Armor aren't allowed.

There is also a notation in there about not allowing powers which inherently cost no endurance not being allowed in the slot (i believe this is meant to expel things like most stats, Strength cost endurance to use, but has no inherent cost to have on.)

ie.
Force fields have an inherent end cost when they're on.  Legit.
Armor has no inherent end cost and is always on.  Not legit.

Strength gained from Growth cost endurance from having growth on, Legit.
Strength as a stand alone stat, has no endurance cost, though you have reduced endurance bought on it.  Sort of grey, i dont think the strength is legit, though you might be able to elemental slot the reduced end cost?  Very much a game master call.

(p204, under Endurance, this is often over looked, i myself over looked it, but had it pointed out to me causing a major character re-write when it was, so i never forgot it.)

Math snafu...

I think you Pre and Com should both be '8' .

Also... there isnt much use for a spd 2.5, since that rounds down to '2'.  You should decide if you want to invest 5 points to get a Spd of 3, or recover 5 points to be used elsewhere and embrace the 2.

In reply to Steel Sevent (msg # 90):

Observation... at a glance you have ALOT of Int Skills

Your Int of 20 gives you a base of 13- with all of them.

If you pull the trigger and just go to Int 23, this gives you an extra +1 for all your Int rolls, improving it to a 14-

If you want Normal Maximum stats, the extra 3 points will cost you double, but even so... considering how many int skills you have it might be worth while.  If you don't have Normal Maximum stats, the cost is only 3 points for a +1 to all your Int Skills.

If you think 14- is fine and you don't need better, suggest reducing your Int to 18.  There is no official game play difference between a 18 or 20, and the 2 points you save here can be used somewhere else (yeah it's only 2 points but 2 points here... 2 points there... they add up.)

In reply to Barbie (msg # 92):

Thx I overlooked that. Gotta go slow

I'm not sure this power works... Telepathy requires the target to have an Ego, and most inanimate things don't have an Ego.  ie.  Sharp Shooters automatics don't really have an ego.
 Self aware things like Mechanon and Barbie being the exception, have Egos.  If this power is meant to work on self aware things like Barbie and mechanon, ignore me.. its all good.


What i THINK you might be trying for is Clairsentience, possibly with the added limitation of requiring a conversation skill check to work and with the special power effect of Steel Sevent 'hearing' the information being relayed by the target of the Clairsentience.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 93):

The thing is... I don't know whether i have the one or the other.

I also want to know if i can take two negative levels In seduction for 5 more points that would allow me to add one of the armor passives i had to discard. I'm waiting for Quozaxx to see this so i can finally get an answer.

And Low-End Technopathy is meant to move things with the mind. It's a... Wait... It's telekinesis i think, not telepathy. But i could swear it had an STR value. Gotta check (yes, i managed to get a manual)

Another option for him is Normal Characteristic Maxima, coupled with 'Age 40+'. This sets his maximums for physical stats lower (15 STR, 15 DEX, 15 CON, 3 SPEED, ETC) and his mental maximums higher (INT 25, PRE 25, EGO 25).
This pair of Disadvantages gives you 25 pts

20 Normal Characteristic Maxima
 5 Age 40+

That's actually a really good idea given his concept to just be 'normal', he's going to be a Barbie play toy at the rate he's going but... that's not an ulterior motive for me... really.  She's a good girl.  Pre of 8?  Seduction -2?  Rich Guy?

You're lucky she's a good girl and not a villainess.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 98):

I'm not crazy about buying a skill at a negative.

You don't need to purchase a driver's license.  Anyone over 17 can get one of those.

And your PRE is very low.  A viper goon had more PRE than 8.

I'll try to look at him closer.

Not particularly thrilled about the concept of negative skill levels too, though i believe there are possible places for it with game master approval.

I've seen them appear now and then, though as Disadvantages.


ie.  Instead of a -2 Seduction Skill.

Reputation:  Nerdy Tech Virgin.
Social Limitation:  Inept around attractive people of the opposite gender
Psychological Limitation:  Easily flattered, flustered and/or seduced by attractive women.
Susceptibility:  d6 Int when conversing with attractive women
Vulnerability:  x1 1/2 stun from attacks by femme fatales cause he's distracted and caught looking...

*shrugs*  Any combination of the above could make for interesting roleplaying for a character that wants -2 seduction ?

Which is why the END Reserve isn't in the EC, and the protection is a Force Field with special effects that define it as "armor".


I'm not sure what this is meant to avoid, as something like an energy blast costs endurance to use but not to "have on". In my book there was a separate entry indicating it wasn't appropriate to place characteristics in an elemental control, I wasn't paying close attention to what I was doing and ignored this part of the rules.
This message was lightly edited by the player at 17:17, Fri 11 Sept 2020.

Well, then I'll simply take a default PRE thanks to the point in DL, that sums +1.

Forgot to add a costs endurance to stats in the framework. Gotta do so.

And finally... ¿Can anyone confirm if Technopathy is TK or not and that the costs in the framework are right?

Which is why the END Reserve isn't in the EC, and the protection is a Force Field with special effects that define it as "armor".




My bad, for some reason i thought end reserve was part of it.  I saw 'Armored Suit' and thought it was a slot for Armor.  My apologies.

As for stats in a control... It actually doesnt SAY you can't though that bit about inherent cost was added instead.  I think that was so that if you had a stat that had an endurance cost that it could be added?

ie.  For you a speedster, something like +2 Speed, cost endurance, might make sense as a power/stat, and the end cost limitation, might leave room for it to be used in an elemental slot?  Again... Game master call, and it's in a grey area i try to avoid these days, but a case could be made for it with the right concept.

Uhm... better would be for you to tell us what it should do?

TK to me is Telekinesis, the ability to move things around, which ive seen bought as animation, requiring you to use TK through inanimate objects.

The power you have listed is Telepathy... which is the ability to read and send thought with a target that has an 'Ego'.

So us interpreting if it is 'right' would depend on what your intent was for it to do.

Technopathy? would depend on how you define it.
1. After accessing a machine, instantly understands its functions and operation.
   Knowledge Skill - Machine Operation -16, costs endurance, extra time to activate
2. Can access and manipulate machine memory.
   Mind Scan and Telepathy on machine minds
3. Can operate electro-mechanical devices without a controlling interface.
   Telekinesis (10 STR), only to operate electro-mechanical devices

I think in regard for '2', it would be limited to machines with an Ego.  Something like Sharp Shooters Automatics have no ego, and hence no minds to access and manipulate.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 95):

It's a legit thing but let me look at something and get the power build you actually want.

 Ok went and looked this is how it works for machines according to Ultimate Mentalist which has a whole Cyberkinesis section. If it has an Ego score use that. If it only has an Int score use that. If it has neither GM has 2 options assign an ego score based on how complex it is or the character can only affect it if it has an appropriate function(i.e. you could turn off a powered device, but good luck getting the spring to not work in a handgun).

That being said to control machines is just a straight Mind Control(Machine Class Only) 8d6 would cost you 40 points. If you added takes extra time(attunement/hacking) it drops it to 27 points if you add concentration and extra time it drops to 23 points not super worth adding but if you are strapped for points.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:52, Fri 11 Sept 2020.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 105):

It is 3.

I corrected it to TK, Telepathy was a typo, but the numbers were fine.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 107):

mmm... worth noting Ultimate Mentalist is for Fourth edition, though, yeah, most game masters will probably allow it anyway, since it's in the spirit of things, though to be fair, some gamemasters may also decline it, since those books are for more niche specialist campaigns.

ie.  The Martial art books have loads of rules that seem to only function in a martial arts only campaign but wont translate into a general campaign well.

Okay, i think the sheet is officially ready. Check for it on my page :)

... is it a page players can see or only game masters?

I don't have the ultimate books and so each entry would have to be on a case by case basis.

Since he's trying to get into the "spirit " of the character,  I would allow his powers to work on either EGO or INT

In reply to Barbie (msg # 111):


Now that i see it, there MAY BE a page that only Máster can see. Oops

Wait i have a last time idea I'd like to implement. I dunno if i need authorization tough so i may ask. Can I try and build a 50 point sidekick?

 My copy is updated for 5th. Published post 5th and quotes it in it's copyright stuff ergo why I used it. And most of the stuff is just giving examples of builds.

Also GM and I discussed him having said book and I knew that he didn't so that is whybI quoted it. As a guide in case he hadn't thought about it.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:28, Fri 11 Sept 2020.

In reply to Steel Sevent (msg # 114):

Perhaps a robotic dog? Maybe the ninth version of the Kelvin series?

Would you be playing the sidekick as well?

If your sidekick is an NPC you dont control, you can look at it maybe... as a competant dnpc?

"Surrender or the dog get it..."

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 117):

I love to run multiple characters at once, it's helpful to set up jokes and spice things up. For example I'm actually using NAMI as this guy's FRIDAY or JARVIS.

And actually i was thinking on a robotic or cyborg rat.

As an anecdote i played on several purely-written rps on Discord. i first ran a 3-member super family of a Magic-Card wielding Battlemage, A Sing-iferying Magical Toon Girl, and an Ax Crazy human-level INT femme fatale Mimic.

Then in a sister server where i had 4 char slots i built an Anthrodragon Berserker who could manipulate his denisty, a Fairy with all kinds of Light manipulation (Colour manipulation was totally bonkers), a Spooky Scary Skeleton Ninja Lady who could manipulate any bone she touched, all topped by The Director, leader of the Anomaly Containment Bureau, who wielded all sorts of crazy skills like: Combat Director [Change Environment, 1" 20 points of Damage, Megascale, Varying Combat Effect] 3 non recoverable charges per battle.
The director can set up to 3 rules with associated penalties, that work within the whole scale of the power but only for characters considered as "in combat with or against The Director" (Including The Director Himself). Whoever breaks the rule automatically takes the associated penalty.

And to exaggerate things, when the Skeleton Lady died, i used a mechanic known as Checkpoints, to use part of her experience with a new character, so i built a Split Personality Hydra Wich grew more powerful with every new head. (At one point i had to keep records for 26 different heads with their personalities, distinctive names, unique breathe attack,and other stuff)

Of course hero system wouldn't allow such a crazyness, it would need more points on a single adventure too keep up with the concept than one can make even with good roleplaying bonus, but omg it was bonkers... Until the owner shot himself on the feet and literally everyone that didn't fled from there was banned. He wanted to change his system and delete all the characters, and everyone opposed, now the server is open but dead, so, a sad end, but i enjoyed Alegiaz (the "collective name" of the hydra) for all that she lasted.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:31, Fri 11 Sept 2020.

If it's just a conversational sidekick, maybe a dnpc?

You get points from him, and you have him to roleplay with, though... he's a NPC...

If you want to 'buy' him, he's considered a Perk:Follower

it's one point for 5 points for the follower to be built on as a base, but you also have disads you can use with the follower to improve his budget too.

For a Base 50 character, you can get a max of 50 max disads points so... for 10 points you can have a 100 point side kick?

In reply to Barbie (msg # 120):

Well, that should wait. GM says must spend 20 points of my 16 points budget on speed and I'm trying to figure where I can cut those 4 points off.

I know! I'll just take -4 to speed! (Ok nope)

suggest if you ask if you can use it as a focus, perhaps part of your armor.

ie.  without your armor youre... slow.


You know, 20 points with a -1/4 limitation is 16... which is.. on budget.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:11, Fri 11 Sept 2020.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 122):

The thing is, if that's the case I'll still have the problem when using the gadgetry framework, as the armor and the gadgets are mutually exclusive. So... I'll still be 20 points below master's target speed half of the time... Or not using half of my gadgets. (And one of the disadvantages in my suit is specifically that i can't use the Gadgetry framework and Suit at the same time)

And i can't think of a way to do what you propose and make it to work equally in both frameworks. I am proposing that Master lets me buy enough DEX to reach the desired speed as a power, or to let me buy my science skills as powers at -1 1/4 each, but master didn't answer since i said so.

For now, I'm at speed 3 vanilla with 6 unused points. In case i can't use my other options, I hope that's enough, because i want to have some free to spare points in case we must pay points for a team base, i want to be able to contribute more than everyone so my character can say "I paid for this base!" In case of a team crisis and if the convo calls for it (Tough it really depends on how the master will handle that so I'm speculating) Also i have scratched a Clairsentience Surveillance System that i'd like to implement to the base if i ever get the chance to do so. And guess what. It will cost me exactly 6 Character Points.

You know, if utilizing the gadgets and wearing the armor are mutually exclusive you might want to ask the GM if he'll allow you to use multiform for the armored version. Instead of paying for the armor and the abilities it grants, the "true form" includes everything except the armored up abilities, those are replaced with a 70 point multiform. The second form includes everything (including the armor abilities) but the gadget framework.
As a bonus, you can roleplay the "I'm a different person behind the mask" trope.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 124):

DM, if you see this, what do you say about flicker's suggestion?

I will say I'm a bit surprised at your taking OUHID rather than OIF Powered Armor as your limitation. Especially since the armor gives you the abilities.

When working with the numbers in champions, buy what you absolutely need first, and then if you have the points left over, spend it on what you want.


Dex and Spd are both pretty important stats for everyone.

Dex determines you base CV.  Even if youre a mentalist, you can't ignore the dcv and desire not to be too easy a target to be shot.  It would feel underwhelming for a 350 point mentalist to be pin cushioned by a viper agent with auto fire and taken out.

Spd determines how often you act.  Even lowly agents have a speed of 3 or 4.  The higher you speed the more action presence you have.  The more you can do something about bad guys, before they do bad things.  Every character can't ignore the Speed stat.

For that reason, Dex and Speed are the most expensive primary and secondary stats, cause... no one can ignore them.  They're almost an absolute requirement.

So buy these first.

If you can live with a Dex of 14, it's low but not painfully.  If you're a mentalist, or a character that relies on area effect attacks, you might be okay.  Your ego is as lower than your Dex though, and i dont see any area attacks.  It's not an absolute problem, but it's certainly a flag you should think about.

Speed is another matter.  Speed is life.  A two is just really terrible.  I think he's correct in asking for a speed of 4 from you and that will still put you in line with only being as fast as the average viper agent.

So where do you get them from?  You look around and rob the other stats first.
Ego, Con, Bod, and Stun are the first suspects.  4 points from Con (It wont change your ED/Rec), 2 points from Ego (it wont change your ECV), 5 points from Stun (Really if it's going to knock you out at 25 stun, it won't take much to get to 35 to finish you off), and 4 points from bod.  2 points of Int (it wont change your Int Skill target numbers),  That's 17 of the 15 point to bump your speed to 4.  So you have some room to not take all the reductions.

Now if you dont like these Stat budget cuts, you need to look outside the stats for the points to support not cutting them.  What are you willing to give up to increase your stats.

What skills can you live without, what perks and talents are just fluff that you can roleplay but not feel too badly not being on the character sheet.  Is there a power you can tweak cheaper for stats, leaving the power as a place holder to improve later?  If you're going to stay not, that everything is absolutely necessary for the character, then you leave it alone and you live with the minimal stat changes.

If you're only going to apply 39 points to your characteristics, and the Dex and the Speed take up 27 of it, that's only going leave you 12 points to spread around for characteristics.  With 8 points (minimal to keep the Int Skill target base) going to Int, you have 4 points left for characteristics.  That's your budget for characteristics unless you draw new points from somewhere else.


I'm not a power gamer... really, i just think people will be happier if their characters are at least marginally effective when the campaign starts, and regardless of the concept should be able to match up favorably against a 150 point viper agent.  If they can't they're not going to feel 'super' and that will make them sad sad sad.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:11, Sat 12 Sept 2020.

Gonna build the thing from zero and hope the third time's charm. This time shrugging the frameworks in favor for a MF approach, cause if i can pull it off well, then i can do several armors for different purposes. The framework approach is way too prohibitive to do so.

Good luck with that.

Dont forget buy what you need first, then get what you want after.

MF approach? Multiform gets REALLY expensive, REALLY fast.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:10, Sat 12 Sept 2020.

Okay,  when I looked at your character,  I first look at the stats.  A SPD of 2 was a red flag.   It needed to be fixed.  DEX should never go below 10. A 23 works very well for most supers, but I have seen it as low as 18.

Don't save points for a base.  Did any of the others do that?  Nope.  A base may be used in place of experience points as a reward or part of the game.  You are all individuals and not a group... yet

I don't mind the idea of a multiform,  but not used to it.  In my 30+ years of playing and being GM. I've never had the chance to use it.

Well... There's always a first time for everything.

Gotta go multiform XD

I've used multiform for my Werehawk, Nighthawk. Like I said, very expensive.

And in this case, it makes no sense. Does your mind alter as well as your personality when you don the armor?
This message was last edited by the player at 14:44, Sat 12 Sept 2020.

I'm constantly wondering why MORE hero system characters aren't built with multiform. I tried to use multiform in one game so that the character I played could have a multiple personality disorder. The forms had the same powers, but two differing sets of complications. The GM didn't like that idea. I still want to try it, some day.
To avoid the expensive nature of the power, remember that it's a standard power and therefore CAN be placed in multipowers. The multiform goes in an ultra slot, and comparable powers are placed in flexible slots alongside. To me, it's the best way to represent archetypes that have powers based on specific environments or specific 'load out'. Build Tony Stark with multiform, and every six experience points becomes an alternate set of armor. Want someone to transform into a giant lizard/gorilla/wolf? Don't buy growth with powers linked to it, put it in a multiform. Aqua-person or Nimoy of Atlantis:

Another way to look at Multiform, is that it's a psuedo Power Modifier.

I believe it was actually listed as such in some of the earlier editions of Champions.

Multiform cost is based on the most expensive form, so to get the most out of this, the forms should be close to cost, if not identical.

So, for a 350 point character,

55~60 points is the optimal character

58 points in multiform, will get you (2) characters at 290 points...  (This is 348 points of the 350 cap in the campaign).

If you really want to use all 350 points, you can consider.

60 points in multiform, where 5 of the points is used to double the number of forms available, you will get (4) characters at 275 points.  While this might SOUND low, keep in mind that a standard champion campaign is 250 points, so this is already 25 points higher than what i'm use to having for a starting character.


Keep in mind, you'll have to come up with Disadvantages for each and every one of those forms, this is a lot of work for game master and player.  The player has to make the character, the game master has to audit it.  In a campaign with 10 players already you're nearly increasing his workload by x 1 1/2 character to look at.  It would take a kind and forgiving game master to accpet this work load, If it were me i would decline this concept, or at the very least limit/prohibit the use of power modifiers like elemental controls and multipowers to keep things under control as far as complexity goes.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 134):

Steel Sevent has been discussed here. So I didn't see it as hurting anything by discussing him here.

Basically,  he wants a "normal "  character with awesome armor.

10  STR 0
14  DEX 12
15  CON 10
12  BODY 2
20  INT 10
12  EGO 2
10  PRE 0
8   COM -1
2   PD 0
3   ED 0
3   SPD 10
5   REC 0
40  END 5
35  STUN 10



5  OCV 
5  DCV 
4  ECV 



Movement 

6"  Running 
2"  Leaping 
2"  Swimming 
_"  other 

Total:  60. Great for a "normal " character



Skill Modifiers: Scientist, Well Connected (6)


Analyze Technology (3)
Bugging (3)
Combat Driving (3)
Combat Piloting (3)
Computer Programming (3)
Concealment (3)
Cramming  (5)
Deduction (3)
Demolitions (3)
Electronics (3)
Inventor (3)
Language Skill: Spanish (Idiomatic, Native Accent) (4)
Mechanics (3)

Science Skills [Cost-1] (T:16)

- Mathematics
- Computer Engineering
- Plastic Engineering
- Aeronautical engineering
- Physics
- Aerodynamics
- Thermodynamics
- Chemistry

Security Systems (3)
Systems Operation (3)

Transport Familiarity (T: 3)

- Common Motorized Ground Vehicles (2)
- Small Planes (1)

Weapon Familiarity (T:2)

- Small Arms (2)

Weaponsmith (T:4)

- Firearms (2)
- Chemical Weapons (1)
- Energy Weapons


Not sure you need Bugging,  combat driving, or Demolitions, and everyone can drive a car. So you don't need to spend points on common Motorized vehicles

The only reason you would need combat driving is if you plan on going on car chases.

More to come...

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 136):

Perks (35)


- Antonio Juárez [11-]. Father (1 relationship) Access to Shady Underworld (1) Restricted by identity (Only civil ID) (-1) (3, -1 from Well Connected, total: 2)

Antonio was put in jail by my PC before he legally changed his name.

- San Angelo University [11-] Good Relationship (+2) Contacts of its own & Access to similar institutions (+2) Institution (x3) (18 -1 from Well Connected, total: 17)


Fringe benefit:

- Engineer license (1)
- Driver's license (0)
- Pilot license (1)
- Concealed weapon permit (2)
- Local Rich Guy club low tier membership (1)


Wealthy 9 [around 4 millions a year]


Positive Rep. [11-] Well known in both identities around the world (2)


Talents (13)

Absolute Range Sense (3)
Absolute Time Sense (3)
Lightning Calculator (3)
Speed Reading x10 (4)

Nothing really wrong with these.  You may consider putting your talents in your armor, but I don't know if that was part of your concept

More to come...

Suggestions would rely on how much he's willing to tweak the concept.

I already did the math, having two characters that are 290 points is the 'optimal' use of multiform,

He can have the 'normal' person outside of the armor, and most of 'THAT' should fit into 290 points... really it should.


Then you can have the 'super' person in the armor, and you just lose all of that, to be the super person, which can be the one that he relies on for the inevitable superfights.


The wrinkle is how do you justify losing all the normal person skills as a super person.  At this point you have to look at the creative roleplaying.  Presume that rich normal guy goes to sleep maybe and a combat efficient alternate personality takes over, maybe an AI who's no nonsense about combat, but can't do all the techie stuff that his normal personality can.

If youre using multi form, entire skill sets, and disadvantages are made with each character sheet, it's really hard to justify how that would work without a new persona for each sheet.

If you're intent on doing this, do it right, and not because that's the way the math works so i'm doing it that way.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:49, Sat 12 Sept 2020.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 138):

Question:  How do you get HeroDesigner to work on Windows 10.  I can't get the .jar file to work...

I believe... Hero designer was from Champions fifth edition which came out 2002, if my books copyright is to be believe.

Around then, the operating systems were windows 98, xp, or 2000.

You would need to find an emulator for the older operating systems to get it up and running, or run it with an old computer using the older operating system.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 137):



Powers:


Low- End Technopathy [6 STR telekinesis, fine manipulation, active points: 19] Only works on Modern Technology (-1/2) Only works outside of combat (-1/2) Takes 5+ minutes of extra time (-2)
total cost: 5

nothing wrong with this.  You just can't do it in combat

Multipower: Gadgetry [Reserve: 50]

would be "cheaper" if you had all of the slots a focus.

m Mimic Beacon [Images Sight and Hearing group, complex actions base cost 19] requires a bugging roll (-1/4)
active cost: 19
total cost: 3

oh! So this is why you had a bugging skill.  A focus would work well with this.

m Jumpboots [Leaping 20" always accurate, base cost 25] Easy to replace OIF (-1/4)
active cost: 25
total cost: 4 (19/5)

  you don't have it listed as a focus.  And not sure you need the "easy to replace " limitation. 

u Hacklens [Mind Scan for Machine Minds 4d6 base cost 20] plus [Mind Control on Machine Minds 4d6 base cost 20] Telepathic (+1/4) IAF (-1/2)
active cost: 50
total cost: 5 (50/10)

perfect

u Black Mirror [4" Darkness, Sight Group base cost:40] 
active cost: 40
total cost: 4

may need the focus limitation

u LRAD [4d6 Energy Blast, base cost 20] NND, Sound attack(+1/2) plus [4d6 Flash hearing group, base cost 20]
Active cost: 50
total cost: 5

focus???

m Painball [5d6 Ego Attack, base cost 50] PD applies (-1) OIF (-1/2)
Active cost: 50
total cost: 4 (20/5)

Total cost of the MP: 75

great! 

--- Armored Stuff goes below here---

The 77 [Armor 9 PD 9 ED, base cost 27] plus [Knockback Resistance 2" base cost 4] hardened (+1/4) OIHID + Extra Time ["Takes at least a whole minute to get in this thing"] (-1/4) (-1 1/2) Lockout (prevents usage of powers in the gadgetry framework due to physical space restrictions) (-1/2)
active points: 39
total cost: 12

so you can't use your gadgets with your armor? When would you use them?

77's battery supplies [Endurance Reserve 200 END 5 REC, base cost:25] Linked to Armor (-1/4) IIF, expensive to replace (-1/4) (-1/4)
active points: 25
total cost: 14

not sure if linked is a good limitation here.  It can be part of the armor without being linked. 

Reinforced Hull [+5 BODY,  base cost 10] Linked to Armor (-1/4) 

active points: 10

total cost: 8


Multipower: Power Suit [Reserve: 50] Linked to Armor (-1/4)

linked is again a questionable limitation here.  You should do focus instead

u Adaptiveinator [6d6 Energy Blast, base cost 30] Any Special Effect (+1/2)
Active points: 45
total Cost: 5


u Rocket Burst [Flight 10", base cost 20] Usable Underwater [+1/4] Usable as Gliding [+1/4] Usable in Vacuum [+1/4]
Active points: 35
total cost: 4


m Hydraulic Impulse [+25 STR, base cost 25] Costs x 3 END to maintain (-1 1/2)
active points: 25
total cost: 2


m NAMI [+20 INT, base cost 20] plus [+10 DEX, base cost 30] Costs END to activate (-1/4)

nothing really wrong with these,  however I doubt that your character will be in a vacuum often.   

No, you can use it on Windows 10 systems because I am. I'm using my phone to post right now but soon as I get on my computer I'll send you how.

In reply to Ava (msg # 139):

Make sure you're running the latest version of Java from https://www.java.com/en/ and it should work properly when you click on the .jar file.  I'm also running it on Windows 10 with no issues.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 141):

I've built a concept like this before years ago, its actually quite easy. If you want I could pop her up for you as a reference soon as I get on my computer here in a few.

That's actually good to know.  I gave up using it when the o/s stopped working with it... or only ran it on an old laptop.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 145):

Mine's still not working, can I email the 6e character files I have so someone can convert them to pdf and email them back?

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 133):

Does Beast Boy's? Nope. In fact, losing mind on multiform doesn't come by default, it's a limitation. So not taking it is as appropriate as taking it.

On the other side, i got tired of frameworks altogether. So no, i won't use them. Tough i found a way to not doing it so expensive.

Multiform (Suit Up to 4 different Power Armors, each built on 250 character points) 60 Active points. Takes 1 turn to change forms completely. (-1/4) Gestures 2 hands, activation only (-1/2) [Must call the desired suit using a device in his right arm, must use left arm to press the buttons in the right order] Device stops working for  a long while when entering intense electromagnetic fields, and may break for an entire scene in case an electromagnetic attack is taken (-1/2)
Active points : 60
total cost: 27

I had to put mine on a drive other then my drive that my OS was on for it to work. Also try starting it as administrator if you have to.

In reply to Charge (msg # 148):

Did that too...

Okay, hmm...  Did you run the installer? It does have one and has a few files to install. I know, dumb question...still.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:54, Sat 12 Sept 2020.

Alternatively, now that I'm a little more comfortable with the system as a whole, i could come up with a totally different character concept.  Not because of lazyness but because i grew tired on having to build and rebuild the same thing. And in the process I got too many new ideas that totally won't fit this specific character.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:11, Sat 12 Sept 2020.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 134):

Done multiforms twice literally. One was the Tony Stark route you mentioned and the other was a martial arts master/Raiden composite thing. Sounds complex, but basically he was the team "ninja". Everyone in a while he would get hit with something in combat and after the first few times his team learned to run. He went all lightning God on the whole area. No one died ever but they woke up with a terrible headache the next day. Imagine Jay Baruschel trying to drag Ben Grimm's brick butt out of a collapsing building. Not gonna happen just isn't. So he would judo throw him out.

In reply to Charge (msg # 150):

Got it figured, needed to DL jarfix to fix the jar association with java.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 152):

When I think of multiform,  I think of Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde or a person changing into a werewolf.   Not so much on powered armor.

I'm not looking forward to a sidekick either.   With your present character. You don’t have the points

Interesting. So it was a windows issue, just an association one. Had I of known that I woulda told you how to fix that without downloading another program. Anyway glad you figured it out! :)

In reply to Charge (msg # 155):

I just finished turning off the wanted new players sign.

Gave a warning to a couple of players to give me something concrete by Monday

Going to get things going soon.

I keep telling myself it's all in the name. If I have a character that switches back and forth from two forms, I want to use multiform. If I were building Hulk, I'd use multiform. Werewolf is a multiform. Jekyll and Hyde is a multiform. What about the X Man Colossus?
You could build him as a big, strong guy who activates a force field that protects him and looks like he's made of metal, but then you need to add strength for when he's transformed. Then you see that he gets heavier and you add some density. Then you see he's suddenly affected by magnetics more that usual so you add that and change the other disadvantages to cope. Then you see that he gets a little more damage from his metal fists so you start to add the hand to hand attack before you give up and write two versions, one flesh and bone while the other's mostly organic steel. The one with the space left gets the multiform power and you're done.
Well, that's my method, ymmv.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 157):

Yeah I think that is how it was done to begin with for Colussus anyway as a multiform.

As someone with some health issues who lives on the US West Coast, I'm having a not so wonderful time with the burning in our states. While my current residence is not in danger of burning down (yet) the continuing days of terrible air quality are really making my life interesting.

I hope that everyone else who is living on the West Coast or has family living out here, is doing well.


Okay, back to our regularly scheduled escape from reality...

I'm on the east coast, so you have my condolences.  I'm also in NYC area so early on we had to deal with that whole Covid mess.  We took it pretty seriously here and did everything we were suppose to and now we have pretty low numbers compared to those who thumbed their noses at us saying it wasn't serious.  Karma.  Though i know your pain of having a natural disaster hit and someone at the top that has zero empathy... unless you're a state that supports him.

If only Lex Luthor going to the white house stayed fiction...

>.<

(Apologies to those who support him, but saying my state mismanaged the epidemic when we have enviable low numbers now from hard work sorta rubs me the wrong way.)

I'm in the middle. So far this year we haven't even had to shelter out a tornader. I'm not worried. We had one go by the house and toss a tree through our roof about a dozen years ago, so I figure we're pre-disastered. I mean, what are the chances of that happening again?

In reply to Barbie (msg # 160):

Barbie, I IMd you.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 161):

If it's tornado alley pretty good. If outside of that odds are won't happen again.

 I live on the border of the Alley so we get a lot of spillover.

Don't apologize. He just admitted to purposely lying to the public about the numbers, and many of his detractors are trying to say he's just apologizing for being wrong. No, he stated in his exact words that he lied.

Anyway, no more politics. lol

I live in northeastern Indiana so we get a lot of odd weather here do to whats called Lake Effect. One of the common phrases here is "If you do not like the weather, wait 10 minutes, it'll change."

   So I can't remember and I wanted to see if this was a valid thought on disadvantages and I'm away from my books.

   Is there a power disadvantage that is basically a feedback on the power that damages the user, but can be "negated" if I use special gauntlets so to speak? Doesn't really need to be gauntlets but the only example I have in a context most can relate to what I'm asking is Quake from Agents of Shield.

Maybe a dependence?

YOur character needs 'something', or after being away 'for a while' from this something, 'bad things happen to him'.


Something being your gauntlets, bad things being the feed back, so you need to determine a time frame for how long you can be away from these gloves before bad things happen.

Good?

In reply to Barbie (msg # 166):

Nah that isn't exactly right. Close, but not exactly right. It's a solid fallback, but not exactly what I had in mind.

Susceptibility could work too?

Being exposed to 'something' and taking damage, in this case it's exposing your hands to ... anything not being those gloves.

It is similar to Dependance, with some subtle differences.

If this doesnt work, then... i'm out of ideas.

Side effect Limitation, which is on a limitation itself( not when special gauntlets worn)?

In reply to Barbie (msg # 168):

Dependence sucks, mechanically.

Try susceptibility, being without them.  Will happen less often anyway.

mm... he said disadvantage so i thought he was looking for a disadvantage, in retrospect, you might be right if he was looking for a power limitation.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 171):

  Limitation/Disadvantage on the power itself.

  Example Quake uses her seismic powers without the gauntlets it cause her to suffer damage to her bones in her hands and arms. The more she uses them the worse it gets. Can potentially shatter her radius/ulna and hands. If she wears the gauntlets the seismic powers are "directed properly" and she suffers no damage.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 172):

It's been forever, what's the format for posting pics again?

Give the power a damaging side effect, then add a second "custom power" that pays the cost difference between the original power with and without the side effect. The second power can have appropriate limitations that determine when the side effect does or doesn't occur.

<img src="https://i.postimg.cc/tRvvYdJf/Curly-Circles.gif">

  Ok if I'm reading the side effect limitation correctly I could do it like this.

 -1.75 Extreme Side effect(×2 for everytime it's used, +1/4 for the OIF to "turn off the power")

If this side effect always happened when you used the power, yeah i think it's accurate, but you can avoid it by wearing gloves or choosing not to use the power when you dont have the gloves on, which would be a sort of 'limitation' of the value of the limitation on the power.

I'm not sure what sort of limitation this would be worth, but i wouldn't count on it to be worth -1.75

In reply to Barbie (msg # 176):

 Its +1 Extreme Side Effect(×2 for everytime power is used) & (1/4 less for "when character stops using power" reflavored to be OIF prevents damage) so either it is -1.75 (1×2)-0.25=-1.75 or -1.5 (1-0.25)×2=-1.5

Um...all of that math is so off.

All of those are disad's to a power so one should not be making the other cheaper.

You have the Extreme Side Effect which will end up being a -2.

Then you have OIF for -1/2.

Total you have disad's on your powers of -2 1/2. Or -2.5

In reply to Charge (msg # 178):

No the math is just for the Side effect. The OIF isn't added in yet. It's a modifier on the side effect at that point.

 All told its the side effect, the OIF, and Gestures taking it to either -2.5 or -2.25 total. The OIF is basically meant to prevent the damage from the power if I have them. Or if I don't to take full damage. Read message #172 iirc.

Actually that looks a bit like an oxymoron

His focus is gloves -1/2 oif, but with out the gloves he has a side effect thats worth -1.75 when he tries to use it without the gloves, but with out the gloves the power doesnt work?

Am i missing something here?

The side effect limitation says you always take damage which is why it doubles from -1 to -2 though?

How are you going to apply a limitation to reduce the cost MORE and lessen the impact of the sideeffect limitation?

This is messy math.  Look at the logic.

OIF is a simple -1/2
The limitation is you have the power with the gloves, and you dont without them.

The limitation youre trying to build, is to have your powers with the gloves, but without them you can STILL USE THEM but take damage from them.  Which is less limiting than not being able to use them at all.  Because it's less limiting than a SIMPLE OIF, it should be worth less than the OIF -1/2.  At BEST the entire thing might be worth -1/4.

You do not need the OIF for the effect you want. There is a +1/4 adder in side effect that makes the side effect not happen when you perform it. Just add that adder into the Side Effect Limitation and it will cost you -1.5.

The adder is Side Effect Occurs only whenever character does some specific act. It's +1/4.

The Specific act would be "Not wearing your gauntlets".

Figured I'd edit for the math. Adder's are taken care of before cost multipliers. So it would be (-1 + 0.25) * 2 = 1.5
This message was last edited by the player at 00:33, Sun 13 Sept 2020.

In reply to Charge (msg # 182):

See this is why I ask. So with Gestures it would be -1.75?

I've got serious doubts about this entire limitation.  Very much in bold print at the start of Power Limitations...

A limitation which doesnt limit the character isnt worth any bonus.

I'm not going to say this thing is worthless, but i have serious doubts about it being so limiting as to rise to a -1.75 limitation.

Yes.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 184):

Right but it does limit the character just limits him more under certain circumstances. At the minimum it requires wearing of gauntlets and gestures. In the end its up to the GM to decide but I want to get the math portion correct first. Because that is going to be the harder issue over explaining the mechanics in this case.

I do not disagree with you, however I am just telling him the right way to build it.

NOW, to make it an actual limitation worth something I would also add in OIF or OAF or some other thing to resemble that the gauntlets can be destroyed BUT the power can be used without them to it so that it is a focus that could be taken away or destroyed. That way then it's actually limiting, and there is a potential risk to it. Reason is because as it stands right now, there is no risk to you.

Actually it doesn't. There is no way to remove or destroy the gauntlets via the game mechanics of the rules. That's what that rule is supposed to reflect that Barbie is referencing. There is no way for you to lose your gauntlet's in battle as written right now, therefore it means the Side Effect is not a limitation. Now, as I pointed out in a previous post, if you made a way for them to be removed, but the power still be used. Even if it's a GM approved 0 cost limitation, then that will make it a limitation at that point. But right now, it's not.

In reply to Charge (msg # 187):

Which is what I was trying to do is make the "gauntlets" removable and cause the damage or make it so I am less willing to uss the power until such time as I can replace them or the situation is dire. This is not me trying to get something for nothing I literally asking how to build this limitation in but clearly I'm asking someone who either A) just wants to say it doesn't work at all or B) isn't paying attention to what I am actually asking.

And as I said earlier I built the power as having the gauntlets as an OIF to reflect them being able to be taken away/destroyed. I'm trying to figure out to make it work within the rules not say Ha I got something for nothing. This is a relatively common trope in comics and superhero movies.

Iron Man 2 Arc Reactor is poisoning Tony he uses a serum to slow it down.

Agents of Shield Quake example that I have referred to a few times.

Flash Thompsin Agent Venom now legs unless the symbiote is active.

Those are just off the literal top of my head. I'm asking for help because it has been a while since I made something that complex into a character power.

I figured as much.

What you are going to end up with is a Focus Limitation that isn't a limitation because in the end you can still use the power without it because the side effect takes over at that point.

So at that point, I'd add the following to it:

-0 OIF (Gauntlet's Suppress Side Effect Only, Can be taken away or destroyed  as per normal focus, if this happens Side Effect Takes effect on Power)

The should tie up any loose ends, and give it the effect you want. And make it more acceptable to the GM.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:09, Sun 13 Sept 2020.

In reply to Charge (msg # 190):

Thank You.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 191):

Yupyup. It's why the custom adder is in Hero Lab, and other places. It's so you can get the tie in stuff, when you know what you want for the disad will work. But you have to do some adapting.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:17, Sun 13 Sept 2020.

In reply to Charge (msg # 192):

  I had the old like 2nd edition version of Hero Lab or whatever the program is called it was on a freaking floppy disk. That's how old that software was and I stopped playing shortly after CD-Rom was the becoming the main mode of media transfer. So like 20 years ago.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 193):

I meant HeroDesigner, but you knew that. LOL

My version of HeroDesigner is pretty old too, dated 2011. Dan is still making it it seems, at least it's still for sale on the Hero Games website.

I still think you could write it up as a "reverse naked modifier".:
12d6 Energy Blast, Major Side Effect Every Time Power Is Used (-1) 30pts standard effect damage (18 STUN 6 BODY) 60 Active Points, 30 Real Points
Protective Gauntlets To Ameliorate Side Effect, Focus - OIF Gauntlet (-1/2) 30 Active Points, 20 Real Points
You get your energy blast for 50 points, and if someone steals your gloves you can blast ahead, but it'll hurt.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 195):

Asked the GM once I had something that might work for his input. Either way it comes out to the same cost.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 196):

It sounds like a physical disadvantage rather than a Limitation.   "Must wear gloves or receive feedback "  or a Dependence

There's a side effect option for having something happen when you perform an action.  It reduces the value by 1/4 and would probably work.  Maybe.

Susceptibility vs own powers when Not wearing Gauntlets. 2d6? You can use your powers whenever you need to, but doi g it without the control gauntlets Hurts Like Hell.....

I will still point out that being able to use (or not use) a power... and take damage without gloves...

is less of a limitation that

being able to not use powers at all without gloves.


YOu actually have more options (use or not use) with this side effect thing than a plain focus which says you can't use it.

This being the case why would you ever take a focus.


If this flies, steel sevant should have the same side effect, he takes damage from using his powers if he's not in his armor... but... he can still use it... oh... and give me -1 3/4 limitation for this option?


I have 105 in a -1/2 focus too.  I have to admit -1 3/4 is a much more favorable way to do this and i get to still use my power (with side effect) if i do?
This message was last edited by the player at 16:17, Sun 13 Sept 2020.

I've actually been working on yesterday to get rid of SS altogether. As i said, i grew tired of building and rebuilding the same thing over and over.

So I'm waiting for the DM to let me bring a totally different concept. In fact I brought back from oblivion a Legacy character of mine.

 Just forget I asked.

  And Steel Savant is a suit of Armor. He isn't projecting his powers through it. So a completely invalid argument. And if you feel the need to be toxic Barbie then I ask you follow Thumper rule with me. Thank you.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 202):

I consider myself a fair person.   Players have been known to change my mind with a convincing argument.

For example Barbie's PRE is 60.  I originally said no.  She brought up a convincing argument and I let her keep it.

Thus, I have asked Redacted to change his limitation to a disadvantage.   If I'm given a solid argument,  I could change my mind.  I do try my best to be fair.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 203):

I have literally been arguing this since I first asked. A disadvantage applies to everything not one power. More to the point i don't feel I should have to constantly defend myself from a PLAYER when I ask for help on a build. No argument I have at this point is going to do any good because I am tired of the attitude I have gotten on one question so no that isn't fair honestly. You are catching what has been building for several hours from me and for that I apologize specifically to the GM and most of you.

THIS IS MY ARGUEMENT. I am done addressing this after this and since I am doing this in OOC I would hope that this is the LAST TIME I have to do this.

It's a standard trope. Dependence to me would make sense if it was every power or that he had to wear the gloves because of some sort of psychological reason. That isn't the case flat out. It is specific to the feedback from this single power and ONLY when he uses this power not every 24 hours. Not every 20 seconds. Side effects make the most sense to me because it literally has a modifier for EVERYTIME THE POWER IS USED. The gloves make it safer for him to use this power and basically not die. Again standard trope. Hell I'd even take the limitation can only be used at partial strength while using said item like Cyclops and his visor. But to be honest this is how I saw the power working. As the GM has the RIGHT to say no this is how I feel this should work. I accept that so that takes me back to the drawing board on how I have to envision the power. But to be honest I have explained this multiple multiple times in this OOC. I DO NOT FEEL I am being unfair in my post at this point nor do I in anyway feel I have been treated fairly on this SINGLE point.


Caps are for emphasis nothing more. If you want to read it as me yelling go ahead, but that's on you not me. And yes I am upset because it feels like a personal attack at this point. I'm not saying forget it because this is polite discussion and a give and take. I feel attacked flat out by one player.

You're right i'm just a player, just like you.

So if you do something and it works.  As a player for a level playing field i'd like to know so i can do that same.


That beside the point, why does dependence have to involve every power?

Originally i suggested Dependence and Susceptibiity, but somewhere along the way it sounded like you wanted a limitation on the power.

No names were mentioned, but it's previous obvious.  My intention to 'HELP', is always sincere, even if the enthusiasm is misunderstood.  This being the case i will stay out of your character build process and wish you well with it, and state that i look forward to meeting you in the campaign to play with.  Hopefull no hard feelings (or at least any that will linger)

  Since we cleared the air I doubt there will be any further issues. And I thank you for understanding. And yes I may have miss interpreted your posts, but if the shoe were elsewhere you can see the flipside I'm sure.


  As for dependance being for one power my answer is this. Why isn't it a limitation? If it affects the functioning of a single part of a complex whole it isn't a character disadvantage it is a power disadvantage(limitation). Disadvantages affect the entirety of the character not one small part of them. Limitations affecft single powers or power frameworks. Otherwise why have both. A susceptability would make sense except you shouldn't make it just your power that you are suspectable to. They can't yank my power and blast it back at me so it almost makes less sense to me. More to the point if someone had a similar power it could be argued and rather easily that the similar power also causes the Susceptibility to activate and that is not what I envision for this character. I have done that before and enjoyed it because the NPC nemesis had the same issue and the fights got to be interesting because eventually we stopped using our powers on each other and had to find ways to use our powers in new ways. I don't forsee that being the case here.

  And sometimes things are meant to be for a single player. I doubt I could use the same argument you used and get a 60 PRE. Not that I want that high, but you get my point. And if I did use the same argument and got it I feel myself it would almost cheapen it. I want to grow with this character to have somewhere to go somewhere to sink points into and make things more interesting. Right now the only place I can see him growing is his powers. I have nearly all the skills I want. I have most of my attributes where I feel they should be. I have literally every perk I want and Talent as well. If I bought every power I want for him I would have a bunch of weak sauce powers but I would just have to increase their die codes or distances to get them to the point I want them at. And where is the fun in that. One yeah almost min-maxed power that could really screw the character over if he used it in wrong circumstance gives him flavor. Why did this power develop that way? In this case it was find a new level or die. If it is a truly life or death situation and you find a new ability are you gonna give to much thought about not hurting yourself over clocking it to get as much out of it as you can? Hell no any super worth the title is gonna stay alive.

In this particular power's case it was after days of "interrogation by a hostile party" and being cornered and out of options. I see him walking into his station or base of ops and falling down having mangled himself nearly to death using this power. And his employer found that he could only use it at max power because of the way he learned it. So they developed the "glove" to keep a valuable asset alive and functioning because if push can to shove he would do it again and nearly kill himself in the process. And the power only is going to do Stun Damage a cubic crap ton of it, but only Stun. Because he was trying to get away and stop them.

Okay, i said i was going to be quiet but i have sometihng actually constructive to say, so... after a post of quiet i'm speaking up.

(I obviously dont have the psychological disadvantage, always keeps her word...)

I can sort of see why dependence doesnt fit you, not because it's only applying to one power (that shouldnt matter you set the circumstances), but rather the way it works.

You 'need' something, or after a while, you get hurt.

You need, your gloves, or after a segment, you take damage.

The problem with dependence is that after it triggers there is no 'off' switch, and you're suppose to keep taking damage.  You can't stop taking damage by stopping the use of your powers, only by getting your gloves back on, because you're dependant on the gloves.

So yes, i can see how this doesnt quite fit what you're wanting.


I think susceptibility is a better fit.

You take damage from something that other people/characters don't.  Most super folks dont take damage from using their own powers, so i think theres a case to be made that susceptibility is an okay disadvantage.  That said, such a susceptibility shouldn't be greater than the powers they're hinged on.

ie.

I bought 5pts of Mental defense, bought with the cost end limitation, so it has to be turned on to be used.

I have a 15pt susceptibility that triggers everytime i activate it and take damage from a mental attack

While theres nothing wrong with the rules on something like that, again... the math doesnt make sense to me.  The Mental Defense would have to have at least 15 points in it, in my opinion to justify the disadvantage.  (Disclaimer - Just my opinion, game master might think different)

In reply to Barbie (msg # 207):

But that is constructive and cognizant so no problem.

  Your case for the suscept. Makes some sense, but that means in this case it would be like I dunno 40 point minimum disad. And again would make me suscept. to others with similar powers not what I see being the case, but again that's my thought on it. At this point I'm leaving up to the GM. I made my case both in how I see the rules and how I see the power coming into being. And also suggested an addition limit on the power that I am willing to take for no advantage on my part. Heck I'd be willing to reduce it to major vs Extreme to be able to do it that way. I willing to be flexible to a point if that makes sense.

You pick the conditions of the susceptibility, which in this case would be using you powers without gloves on (not exposure to the power, but the mechanic of using your own), an uncommon occurrange (5 pts) that happens immediately (0pts) and inflicts x damage (d6 damage would be no points, 3d6 would be 10 points).  This damage is without defense, so i dont think you want it THAT big or you might end up dead, at this point it's a 15 point disad for a power that cost... at least 15 points.


Anyway, if it's up between dependence and susceptibility, i think susceptibility looks neater.  If you want to hold out for a power limitation, thats one for the game master to decide.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 209):

Wouldn't it be a common occurrence since it is his primary combat power. And that still doesn't address a way to mitigate the damage. And I kinda sant the damage to be a decent amount or what is really keeping him from using the power? A little damage is like a sprained ankle just irritating. I'm looking at a broken leg or worse in my mind. And yeah I think holding out makes the most sense at this point because it is a change to the back story and I don't do that lightly. It changes the personality and flavor of the character.

I believe the occurrence is how often the susceptibility is likely to trigger.

You wear gloves to avoid it, and you can elect not to use the power at all to avoid it.  So i believe it would be an uncommon occurrence.

well 3d6, on average would be 3 bod of damage (no defenses applied), for the normal person with 3 bod... that's pretty significant, for a hero it's pretty significant unless you have regeneration or something... o.O

How many times can you use this power without gloves and not expect to go to zero body?

In reply to Barbie (msg # 211):

At three body per usage almost 7 times. And even I can't justify regen on a mentalist

In reply to Redacted (msg # 212):

I can but i won't tell you. Evil laughter

In reply to Steel Sevent (msg # 213):

Both Redacted and Barbie have made some good points.   I will allow Redacted to use the limitation.

In reply to Steel Sevent (msg # 213):

I could as a power play, but not for this character.

In reply to Steel Sevent (msg # 213):

Question:  What is a Sevent?

No clue.

*scratches head*

In reply to Majestic Ocean (msg # 216):

Been reading it as savant myself. But I think it is a play on the number 77. If I remember the conversation about that from earlier.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 218):

Indeed it's a pun.

I'm still wondering if Flicker can get his fellow scientists to assist him in perfecting the Kelvin series of robotic companions. Version 9.0 is looking really good right now.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 220):

Okay,  I think I'm finally ready to move the game forward.

*waits for cheering to stop*

Blood red is out.

Shriek's player works in the medical field,  so he will appear later.

Everyone else is approved but still need to read Reacted.

Question. ¿Is there a standard for writing in this community? I mean I'm used to:

bolds for actions
(Parentheses for thoughts)
italic for descriptions
Talking and everything else in normal text.

But i don't know if there's a generally accepted proper way to do this things here.

I usually use...

"Color in double quotes for speech"

"Bold for Yelling!"

'Italics and single quotes for thoughts'

Orange with a different font for Out of character comments

Everything else is character action.


So if this is a problem I need to  know in advance to break old habits.

In reply to Barbie (msg # 223):

Pretty sure orange is the accepted OOC color.

 Generally Italics for thoughts again pretty common.

I generally say I am yelling i.e. "Holy Handgrenades"Redacted yelled in response to the Viper agent jumping out of the picture. But I have seen the bold thing.

You think building power armors is hard?

Imagine Dragons

I just use CAPS to yell.  People take it as yelling in the real world.  Why not here?

"HOLY HANDGRENADES!"

Otherwise, I'm use to this format:

"Color in double quotes for speech"

Italics for thoughts

Orange with a different font for Out of character comments
This message was last edited by the player at 13:40, Tue 15 Sept 2020.

Orange for OOC

"Any color in double quotes for Speaking. Purple for me."


Red or blue for dice rolls

Monotype for Texts

Brown italics for thoughts

Bold for Yelling.

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 227):

Thanks for reminding me

++For radio or texts++

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 227):

I often use red for truly evil characters talking. 

  orange for evilish characters talking

Then I use other colors for other npcs.

Ok, so you could say that... Even Evil has Standards. ba dum tss

In reply to Waghner (msg # 230):

Oh the humanity!!! Never let me play an evil-ish character he would be pretty well thought of and you would swear was an upstanding citizen and couldn't be even close to tha guy behind the crime wave.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 231):

Well, that's like me when i play anti heroes, or non-evil villains, as well as blue and orange moralities.

For example I'm currently running an hydra that depends totally on others to escalate up her powers. But of course, because of that i should make her likeable so she's playable.

Aaand now she's a manipulative monster that plays friendly just to get her heads cut as a favor instead of as an attack... But that will slowly become the mask and actually grow fond of other intelligent beings for real.

Edit: I just love to play The Stitch
This message was last edited by the player at 18:13, Tue 15 Sept 2020.

That's interesting.... I think I met you in one of my fantasy games.

Can you put in a description?

This is my first game in this community, i usually play on Discord. Plus I usually play in spanish, even though I have no problem to do so in English. (In fact i used to teach english, but that's another story)

But supposing in advance that a huge coincidence drove us from separating elsewhere and then meeting ways here, I'll talk about the hydras i ran.

First and foremost, my personal mythos for the hydras is that they come from a common ancestor of divine (maybe eldritch) nature, this also applies to dragons, tough the latter are, in general terms "less evil", specially the higher ones, wich tend to be lawful (Except for their equivalent of Zeus, and not in the Thunder-y sense, i don't know if you get what i mean)

Long story short: First matriarch of dragons is the favourite mortal creature of the Ancestor of Dragons, favoritism makes her grow to think she's more special than the rest and she gets corrupted, so The Ancestor vanishes her to a universe wich taints her, therefore becoming an Hydra.

First Hydra i roleplayed was actually an hybrid between an actual Hydra and a Chimera. (More personal mythos here: all hydras are female, but the strongest ones have an option to reproduce asexually, tough that last thing only applies to pure hydras).

Her name was Khai. I left her backstory vague on purpose, but in resume she was cast away at birth and conveniently ended in the world were i was playing. There she was raised by my other PC as a pet first, and as she began developing, as a Daughter. Bad thing she developed a crush on him, good thing that meant her slavish loyalty. So she grew up to a point where she is still herself, but she will hold back to think twice on the consequences.

Power wise she was in the lower end of the spectrum for the place where she were. A melee assassin, hard to kill but still fragile when hit in one of several weaknesses i had to leave her. With a knack for shapeshifting, specially into hot chicks, and several regenerative-related abilities (no Extra Limbs when cut tough)

The Next one was Played straight, an hydra named Alegiaz who was raised from an egg, by a friend of mine. And when he moved (He was in a difficult situation, Owner got in conflict with another server and both servers prohibited being in the other one) by the rest of my PCs. Of course to prevent abuse i explicitly forbid myself to do any cutting, except for the first time as a demo.

The core concept was that she / they got to grow in strength, height and defense exponentially up to the limit imposed in the server's rules. Every extra head meant extra of everything else, then on the limit they could still get extra heads, but not extra height or stats. Of course that meant their top end was basically godlike, border-lining all of the server's limits, so i had to make her start waaay weaker than anyone to balance things. Are you familiar with League? Think of Nasus's Q or Veigar's passive.

Plus they had one different dragon-breathe weapon in each head, they could learn about stuff by eating that stuff (They learned to talk by eating a dictionary, no joke) and i had purposefully locked some powers behind height milestones to simulate development to maturity. The top end being the possibility to summon Avatars (one for each head) wich in turn inherited the corresponding head's breath, in exchange for aggravating the huge problem they had managing each head's unique personality.

First off sorry for holding every one up with my character. Had several job interviews the last couple days and we rearranged bedrooms for basically the whole house. It was a lot more than I was told it was gonna be, but when the wife says rearrange the house you rearrange the house.


  Second now you made me want to make a dragon and that is not cool dude. The real question is do I start it out as a cat sized one or one who has had several hundred years to grow in power.

Dragons have also been known to take on human form... multiform?

In reply to Barbie (msg # 236):

Yeah that was my thought exactly.

You think one dragon isn't enough for this campaign?

Imagine Dragons.

ba dum tss

In reply to Waghner (msg # 238):

   One can never have enough dragons

In reply to Redacted (msg # 239):

If you look at my avatar you can see i like dragons

Redacted you do NOT have to make dragon.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 240):

Never said I had to make one. Just gave me an interesting thought to play a diety I made up for FR as a Champions character. It would be interesting to say the least.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:39, Wed 16 Sept 2020.

Please don't blame me if i become a drag on my dragon puns.

In reply to Waghner (msg # 242):

Oh please you name is a pun. Not a very punny pun but one none the less.

  One question since dragons are quadrapeds as opposed to bipeds does the from set of "arms" have to be paid for as an extra set of limbs? And then I can get working on this thought exercise. And now I want to make sphinxian tree cats as a sidekick. Or Lockheed as the dragon's pet.

It wasn't a bad pun, but I certainly didn't laugh hard enough to cough up der nibelunge.

In reply to Flicker (msg # 245):

Why did the dragon cross the road?

Oh!  Like "you're"  going to tell him je can't.   He's a dragon and if he wanted to cross the road,  I'm not telling him no.

As I remember it was either Bruce Harlick or George MacDonald who said: Any limbs usable as hands beyond the normal two that humans have should be paid for as Extra limbs.

(And no, I'm not just name dropping because I can. :))

In reply to Nightshade (msg # 247):

No idea who they are, but that was what I was tracking it as myself so going from there.

In reply to Nightshade (msg # 247):

It was George. He said it in an issue of HERO Quarterly.

In that case im fine.

Good thing i also have some tech jokes about people that doesn't know about tech. So Waghner could basically act boastful and hubris at times but when it comes the time to interact with modern things he is captain oblivious.

¿How did they fit a crystal ball in such a small brick?
- Waghner talking about phones

You know? When you were talking about a "web developer"... I thinked you meant a spider.
- Waghner not knowing what a web developer is.

Why are you complaining about illumination bugs? Fireflies are such beautiful creatures!
- Waghner ignoring Tech Jargon

That's not a mustang, that's a car!
- Waghner obviously pointing at a Mustang.

  Weird question time. Yeah probably gonna ask all sorts of weird questions it's a thing.

  So let's say I want to simulate scales on a dragon being blown off by things like bullets and tank rounds. My brain says buy Armor add ablative and figure out a way to regrow them. Mostly because I think this is neat way to simulate how a dragon really shouldn't get into a fight with a tank until it understands that a tank is a big threat and takes the time to learn defenses for this. Would the regrowing be an aid on the Armor? Or is there a power advantage to simulate this effect? And yeah this is more I have been away for so long that I'm not thinking how HERO works anymore and getting back into the minutae of the rules.

  And yes I understand not everything is theoretically possible. Well it is but the better question is how to do it with in the rules.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 252):

Ablative assumes you can reacquire between sessions, no aid needed to regen

I didn't took ablative for my armor. I think its just tiresome for the GM to have to keep track on yet another variable. My armor is low, and that's all.

In reply to Majestic Ocean (msg # 253):

Ah see that isn't how my old f2f group did ablative. You bought it, it ran down, you wasted the points. Hence the question. Makes sense then.

In reply to Waghner (msg # 254):

Well it's not lowering the armor as you go, it's giving it a lower and lower activation roll once attack's body gets through...

I'm getting bored, gotta go to the library to search for that "Book of the Face" everyone's talking about lately. I guess it could contain some fun transformative magic
- Waghner when Facebook becomes popular.

Waghner: What are you going to do with that money?
Colleague: I don't know maybe I'll buy a new mouse.
Waghner: visibly scared

In reply to Redacted (msg # 252):

I've seen biological armor (like exoskeletons, thick scales, or rocky skin) bought as a combination of extra BODY and armor linked to the extra BODY. As damage gets through the armor and reduces the extra BODY, the armor is also reduced. When the BODY damage is healed, the armor returns. A third slot can be added to allow the BODY damage to heal separate from the character's normal BODY.
Honestly, I think the last time I saw this someone was trying to build a teenage mutant ninja turtle, so YMMV.

How is possible for a human to follow another one in a little bird?
- Waghner after someone says "I'll follow you on Twitter"

In reply to Flicker (msg # 258):

  See that was a different thought, but yeah I could see it working that way

  This multiform business is kinda cool. Gonna biild a lycanthrope from another system using that too. Ah Champions the character builders nightmare system because I can literally build anything I can think of. Oooo Starwolf.......yep that just became a thing. Case in point.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:19, Fri 18 Sept 2020.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 260):

So Waghner thinks a laptop is the top of somebody's lap?

Actually Laptops are a new novelty to Barbie too...

In reply to Barbie (msg # 262):

 Yeah but Barbie might think thats what burlesque dancers do now days. Lol

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 261):

Basically. Of course that will always happen until he gets corrected, then he will (most of the time) remember the second meaning.

Some more stuff:

Smart TV: "Smarty Bee", a very smart bee.

Notebook: Literally a book to take notes.

Netbook: A book made out of nets.

Loudspeaker: A screaming person

Television: "Tell a vision", the process for wich someone describes a dream, trying to interpret a meaning.

Fortnite: A very odd dish, a "forknife". Very impractical, as you may get pinched or cut when using one side or the other, and still you need the opposite if you want to use both.

In reply to Waghner (msg # 264):

Note:  Mallel is in the middle of the industrial district.   Many wonderful scientific items are created nearby.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 265):

It is officially night time in the game.  Also, I am starting to bring characters together.

Majestic Ocean is with Charge

Sharpshooter,  Redacted,  and Mr. MacDonald are in one thread.

Nightshade will be joining Flicker

And Wagner,  Barbie,  and Madam Eventide are joining the same thread.

How can photon be in hth range of Sharpshooter when SS is on the roof of a mall (at least 2 stories high) and Photon is ground level?

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 267):

Angles, snipers shoot from them all the time.

He’s not, unless he has stretching.  Likely he is HTH with your entangle which allowed him to use a certain power.

What is a mall roof?  30ft up?  Make a call and use that.  Or Google it.

In reply to Mr. MacDonald (msg # 269):

So yeah Photon is light. Light means flight. Flight means HtH. Just saying

Maybe.  It would be helpful to have a descriptive post indicating he was using flight if that is the case.

From what I read, he’s still on the ground and just escaped the entangle.

In reply to Mr. MacDonald (msg # 271):

I thought Sharpshooter hopped down before he attacked Photon.  If not. The mall is 2 stories tall and Sharpshooter would not be in hth range.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 272):

Nope he broke the skylight and shot.

That makes more sense. By the way I'd like to clarify something. You were calling me on that reply about the two cars? Because i don't feel like accepting that new information, you didn't say that my character recognizes the cars, you said that my character knew that those cars shouldn't be there. So I already roleplayed like my character knew that, but i didn't specifically said the other, and acting like my character recognizes the cars specifically, when he already thinked as if he didn't do so doesn't go well with him.

So he simply didn't recognize the cars. I can call his Psychological Limitation here as a factor, and the fact that there's nighttime and he is flying.

I suggest to allow me a Perception check in order to try and recognize the cars.

I already said that i don't feel comfortable altering the data I get from the GM, so please try to be more specific. I'd love to get more info to work with in the future I simply can't rp properly with two lines of text.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:38, Fri 09 Oct 2020.

In reply to Waghner (msg # 274):

I will try to do better.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 275):

Madam Eventide's player has not checked in for the last 5 days.  I'm giving her until Monday to post then I will have to post around her.

Sorry for not posting the last couple days myself. My GERD went into overdrive and floored me, almost literally.

If that's an Ego Blast, shouldn't that be 5 ECV ?

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 278):

That's one of the reasons I asked.  Also Ego blasts are normally invisible to the naked eye

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 279):

It's been a while guys. Ok. A long while. Edited the post. Still not enough with the adjusted OECV.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:02, Tue 13 Oct 2020.

Any modifiers applied to my per roll?

In reply to Waghner (msg # 281):

Heads up I am gonna be spotty posting the next couple of days.

It's at night, so no minus or plus.

Doesnt the noise level of using powers (End cost) create positive modifiers for perceiving them?

It's been like 3 days since Wagh has been shot at. Still the bullets doesn't hit. Is this the archer's paradox?

In reply to Waghner (msg # 285):

@Sharpshooter. I'll have to look that up.

@Waghner.   I was really hoping for Barbie to post first.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 286):

I'll try to post tonight, I'm working 11 hr days

In reply to Majestic Ocean (msg # 287):

@Sharpshooter You missed your roll by 3.  The sound adds only 1 point to be heard.  (As far as I can tell).

So you cannot see or hear him well enough to attack him.  Sorry, sometimes they get away

I am a simple person. I see those numbers, i say F for Waghner.

In reply to Waghner (msg # 289):

I'm going to be pushing to the next morning soon.

Finally

Why on Earth would Walter have anything to do with 2 weeks of missing time? You lost me with that one.

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 292):

 PRIMUS Department head. They investigate stuff like that. No way to know if he is related to the breakout. His time dilation stops the same morning of the breakout.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:47, Fri 23 Oct 2020.

In reply to Redacted (msg # 293):

Bad day for the heroes.   All the bad guys got away.   Black Diamond,  Panda, Raccoon,  VIPER agents,  Photon, Cindy Cartell.  One lousy day for all.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 294):

I'll try to post Monday.   Have a great weekend

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 295):

Madam Eventide has asked tobe removed from the game.

Barbie has until the 31st to post or be removed.

Not a good start to my week.

* raises hand *

My bad, I'm currently lost, and not sure what's happening and what i should be doing?

Can someone give me the short version as to what's going on?

If my long absence is an issue, let me know, and I'll shoulder the responsibility for my failure to keep up and go.  I'm not usually this bad on attendance, i just had a domestic emergency that came up that ate most of my attention in a very abrupt manner.

I hope your emergency was resolved quickly and to your satisfaction.

mmm... it's resolved, for now at least.  I'm hoping i dont get a repeat episode.  'Interesting' days we live in these days...

In reply to Barbie (msg # 299):

Basically  VIPER arrived and attacked Waghner.   The police arrived and VIPER got away.   Now it's a new day and Skipper had not added the new power to your character yet.

Assuming Sharpshooter lands on thr ground at the end of his swing, what range to Amok?

In reply to Sharpshooter (msg # 301):

About 20m.

20m = 10". I think up to 4" is -0 for range, so that's a -4 range modifier?

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 302):

Nightshade is checking on her client when she hears the bus crash on the next street.

MacDonald, Waghner, and Redacted had not posted in the new day thread yet.

In reply to Quozaxx (msg # 304):

See didnt know I was supposed to be moving there. Will do.