What Ruleset?   Posted by The Judge.Group: 0
The Judge
 GM, 24 posts
Fri 23 Oct 2020
at 17:08
What Ruleset?
As I am learning a new set of rules with 3rd edition, along with a few of our players, once we get the gang/team/posse into town I am thinking of running a couple of very basic mini-scenarios to make sure we are all on the same page when it comes to combat.  The last thing we want is people getting upset (or killed) because I don't fully understand the combat system of because there is some confusion.

So I am thinking a variant of the Manchester Mangler scenario so we can have a run through non-lethal combat and also be prepared for the inevitable bar room brawl.

And I am also thinking about some sort of target practice/shooting competition to quickly run through the firearms combat side of things.

I am open to suggestions if anyone has some ideas along these lines :)
Marc Fallon
 player, 12 posts
Fri 23 Oct 2020
at 17:17
What Ruleset?
Sure it could be the Towns birthday, shooting competitions riding all kinds of things going on and like you said in the end a nice friendly brawl.
Dacey Bowden
 player, 3 posts
Fri 23 Oct 2020
at 22:46
What Ruleset?
Sounds good to me. :)
The Judge
 GM, 31 posts
Sun 25 Oct 2020
at 13:03
What Ruleset?
Just a heads up for everyone on how I plan to deal with some situations that may arise.

If a player for whatever reason stops posting and does not let anyone know what is going on, they will most likely end being the person 'in front' when things turn sour.

If a player does not roll initiative or declare their actions or roll to hit etc  after a reasonable amount of time, the world will continue around them.  It will be assumed they froze in fear or just plum forgot etc

I am not going to NPC players who go MIA, nor will players be allowed to just go dormant and then suddenly re-appear in the middle of the action.  The Wild West is a dangerous place!

The morale of this story is that activity will be rewarded.  I have played too many games where players suddenly drop out or stop posting without letting the rest of the group know what is happening which ends up slowing the game down and leads to more players loosing interest.

You don't have to post every day but if you start making just one line posts once a  week, chances are you will end up in Boot Hill or left behind in town when the players ride off on their next adventure.

Just sayin'
Artemis
 player, 16 posts
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 18:50
What Ruleset?
In response to Diligence in the game thread,

You want to roll low, under your skill/stat.  The modifiers are to your skill/stat, not to the die roll.  If you have a 13 chance to hit, -4 for moving, then it becomes a 9 chance to hit and you have to roll 9 or under.  For consistency (minus bad, plus is good) modifiers always go to the chance, not the die.

The Judge may, of course, correct me if I am wrong.

EDIT: Corrected your name, sorry about that.

This message was last edited by the player at 18:57, Mon 26 Oct 2020.

Diligence Harper
 player, 9 posts
 Scout/Tracker
 Age: 30
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 18:55
What Ruleset?
Thanks, I had not realized we were rolling low, like GURPS
Lucky Gus Elliot
 player, 13 posts
 Cowboy
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 19:05
What Ruleset?
Point blank with is pistol is 2 yards(pg24).  We are(most likely) at short ( 10 yards) to long (20 yards).  The 3rd ed book does not make it easy to fine the ranges for weapons.
Artemis
 player, 17 posts
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 19:49
What Ruleset?
Weapon Ranges are on Table 14, p. 42.  The Cap & Ball Revolver has Short range of 10 yards, Long Range of 20 and Extreme range of 60.  (Single and Double Action revolvers also)
The Judge
 GM, 37 posts
Mon 26 Oct 2020
at 20:08
What Ruleset?
You should probably wait until I have everyone's initiative rolls and I give you info like range, movement mods etc before jumping the gun and making rolls to hit, I did ask everyone to wait.  The Indians have better range with their bows, they don't need to get in that close and the map is not to scale.
Dirty Dick Diamond
 player, 5 posts
Fri 30 Oct 2020
at 22:17
What Ruleset?
Which rules set did we settle on?
Charles Anderlin
 player, 21 posts
 Former Lawman
 Average and built to stay
Fri 30 Oct 2020
at 22:19
What Ruleset?
3rd edition.
The Judge
 GM, 44 posts
Fri 30 Oct 2020
at 23:05
Re: What Ruleset?
Dirty Dick Diamond:
Which rules set did we settle on?


Make a luck roll to see if you survived that arrow!  Fingers crossed!
Dirty Dick Diamond
 player, 6 posts
Fri 30 Oct 2020
at 23:49
Re: What Ruleset?
This is a d20 roll and I want to roll low, right?
Marc Fallon
 player, 23 posts
Fri 30 Oct 2020
at 23:53
Re: What Ruleset?
yes a d20 roll and you need to roll beneath  your luck stat which is maxed at 10 if you rolled awesome.

I never want to roll my luck stat as it is a 5 for me.
Dirty Dick Diamond
 player, 7 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 00:08
Re: What Ruleset?
Here goes nothin'.

Well whatdoya know.  I made it.  20:08, Today: Dirty Dick Diamond rolled 6 using 1d20.  Luck.

This message was last edited by the player at 00:09, Sat 31 Oct 2020.

The Judge
 GM, 45 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 03:19
Re: What Ruleset?
Dirty Dick Diamond:
Here goes nothin'.

Well whatdoya know.  I made it.  20:08, Today: Dirty Dick Diamond rolled 6 using 1d20.  Luck.


Ok you need to come up with good story to explain how lucky you were and why that arrow didn't kill you and make it part of your next post, them's the rules for luck saving you from a Mortal Hit
Nate Crawford
 player, 10 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 03:28
Re: What Ruleset?
Okay Nate has done gone and started a knife fight in the middle of a gunfight. Guess we will see how this goes. More than likely done something wrong if so just let me know.
The Judge
 GM, 46 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 03:40
Re: What Ruleset?
These Indians just have Knife 1, I don't fully understand the knife fighting rules myself.  I have had a quick look but need to go back and look again.  If someone with more experience using 3rd Edition can offer up their point of view I am would appreciate that :)
Marc Fallon
 player, 24 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 04:21
Re: What Ruleset?

Sure before you can make an attack you need to succeed on an observation roll with knife skill as bonus. If you succeed then you find an opening and can make an attack like normal.

So Nate rolls and observation roll as does the indian, whomever makes the roll can then make  an attack. I dont know how the hits go because you use the brawling tables for them but the start part of knife fights are the looking for the openings.
The Judge
 GM, 47 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 04:29
Re: What Ruleset?
Ok so it looked like Nate made his observation roll, so now do I have to roll for the Indian?  Or does Nate finish his attack and then the Indian makes and Observation roll to see if he can attack?
Ben Hawkes
 player, 15 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 13:43
Re: What Ruleset?
My read of the rules is that the person with initiative gets to complete their full knife-fighting attack, then the person next in the initiative does their attack, and so on.

Also note it says the trait you use to spot an opening against a knife wielding person is either Coordination or Observation (player's choice) and you have to use half that attribute score, rounded up.  Might make a difference depending on your abilities.

Brawling also gets two attacks per combat turn.  As the rules say knife fighting is very similar to Brawling, I believe you'd also get two attacks with a knife.  You still have to find an opening (succeed at the 1/2 Coord or 1/2 Obs check) for each attack.  And they still go in order of initiative (Player 1 first attack, Player 2 first attack, Player 1 second attack, Player 2 second attack).
Dirty Dick Diamond
 player, 8 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 14:32
Re: What Ruleset?
As an amusing aside, I came upon this.  https://wwmt.com/news/local/va...he-throat-with-arrow

And I have a question: is there enough room under the seats for Dick to crawl underneath, thus getting out of harmís way for the time being?

This message was last edited by the player at 14:36, Sat 31 Oct 2020.

The Judge
 GM, 48 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 14:52
Re: What Ruleset?
No there is no room under the seats to hide.

I am taking the the rules below seriously, if you don't provide us with an in character explanation/story of how you survived, as per these rules, then your character is dead.

Mortal Wounds and Luck
The only way a character can be killed is by suffering a mortal wound. Light wounds do not accumulate to become serious wounds and no amount of serious wounds ever becomes a mortal wound.
Even when a character takes a mortal wound, he is not killed automatically. Instead, the player makes a Luck check. If the check succeeds, something miraculously lucky has happened, saving the characterís life! The wound is reduced to a light wound
causing one point of damage. The player must come up with an explanation for this. Maybe the bullet struck the bible in his vest pocket or glanced off his belt buckle. Maybe the round was faulty and didnít contain enough gunpowder to kill someone. Maybe the bullet actually struck a rock, and a rock splinter caused the wound. Whatever the excuse, it must be at least possible, if not plausible, and no character can ever use the same excuse twice. Also, since the character does suffer a light wound from the shot, a misfire is not an acceptable excuse. If the Luck check fails, the character is dead.
Dirty Dick Diamond
 player, 9 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 17:39
Re: What Ruleset?
The only explanation I can think of that makes sense is that the arrow went through his neck without hitting any arteries.  (This is also what happened in real life with that guy in the article I posted.)
Marc Fallon
 player, 25 posts
Sat 31 Oct 2020
at 18:49
Re: What Ruleset?
Ok, you look like a gambler, townsman. You were wearing your shirt buttoned all the way up and had those stiff collar inserts in. The arrow did hit you in the neck but the collar stiffened insert allowed the arrow to be deflected and slide off and around the insert. One destroyed shirt but one lucky survivor. Might even have a long  light cut from the front of his neck all the way to the back. Like a friction burn from the collar rubbing and ripping away.