The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall.   Posted by Game Master.Group: 0
Game Master
 GM, 1 post
 Gman
 Chiggins
Wed 18 Nov 2020
at 02:20
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Here we can chat about story progression and what to do next if one is not inspired or facing RPG DM/GM/Storytelling Block.
Prodigy
 Neil, 1 post
 Super-Genius
Wed 18 Nov 2020
at 03:04
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Got it!

So, I'll start off.
How do you want to start?
Are Prodigy and C2C natives of Earth-616, Pax Earth, DC?

Is there anything related to the world woven into C2C's story? For instance, if we're starting in the Marvel universe, is there Stark tech in the suit?

I just finished rewatching The Mandalorian so I'm ready for an armoured character.  ;)

Does C2C travel with Prodigy or does Prodigy go wandering and he has to get back to the right earth to check in?

So, I'll send you a finalized build of Prodigy tomorrow - I'm at work now. I want to tweak a bit more, mostly his style. Cosmic Blast is a valid game effect but there's nothing to hang a narrative on it. What is it? How does Neil do it? How does it look and sound? Etc.
Game Master
 GM, 2 posts
 Gman
 Chiggins
Wed 18 Nov 2020
at 21:46
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
In reply to Prodigy (msg # 2):

Gave you GM access.

Well as GM for me, you would tell me in which world, and I will fix C2C to fit that background.

I was thinking that in this instance the side-quest or subplots would be when Prodigy and C2C would intersect.

Anyway, give me the GM pitch and I will send you my revised C2C pitch to fit the world you want to run in.

As for Marvel, DC or Pax, I would say how much control over antagonists do you want? Do you want the ease of using pre-made badies or since you like number crunching make up the badies from scratch.

We can create a brand new world setting if you want to add to the co-creation idea.

Let me know, I am good with all scenarios.

I am highly adaptable, one might say a super-adaptoid or a mastermind... (see what I did there...me am the funniest!)
Prodigy
 GM, 2 posts
 Super-Genius
Wed 18 Nov 2020
at 23:53
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Well, the benefit of using Pax would be recreating Nexus and the Superfriends. Prodigy and C2C would have their own Justice League in the background.

On the other hand, I did just say Justice League. Having them in DC would allow the "cool factor" of being in the same world as Superman. Prodigy could hang out on Oa and chill with the Guardians   :)

I guess I lean towards Marvel because that's where Prodigy started. I made him originally as a MSHRPG character so he's been a mutant since before we met. He was more of a Scarlet Witch clone - Probability Control then when that group switched to HERO, Prodigy got into chaos magic and arthurian mythos, like a precursor to Conc and the Fenian.

On the other hand, Neil would figure out how to become Prodigy whether he got access to a cosmic cube fragment or a mother box. As a GM, who do you want to be Neil's main rival: Norman Poole, Reed Richards, or Professor Ivo   :)

As for C2C, I think he could work very well in either Marvel or DC since a populated superworld will have lots of collateral damage.

Prodigy + C2C + alternate Earths = ?
That's the question   :)


Additional question: what am I building Prodigy to? PL and power points. When last we left Prodigy way back in 2nd edition, he was at 187xp but I have a build at 150 for a fresh start

This message was last edited by the GM at 00:47, Thu 19 Nov 2020.

Game Master
 GM, 3 posts
 Gman
 Chiggins
Wed 25 Nov 2020
at 22:52
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
I would keep him at 187xp. We can do a redux without diminishing the power level you have been working him toward.

Now throwing a curve ball here, have you tried to build Prodigy with Gurps Supers?
Prodigy
 GM, 3 posts
 Super-Genius
Thu 26 Nov 2020
at 04:45
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Okay, 187 it is! Stay at PL10 or go to 11 or 12?

Actually, no, I haven't made Prodigy in GURPS. Not sure how I'd do it since Modular Abilities seem even less efficient than Variable Pools... although I could build him with a magic system but change the Power Modifier to Cosmic.

A super-IQ and a high Cosmic Power could make for some pretty high skill levels
Game Master
 GM, 4 posts
 Gman
 Chiggins
Sun 29 Nov 2020
at 16:56
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Ok, let me ask you a 'what if' ---

If you had to start a Superhero genre world, what would be the origin story for the origin stories...
Game Master
 GM, 5 posts
 Gman
 Chiggins
Sun 29 Nov 2020
at 16:57
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Just for shits and Giggles, and to learn the system, which lots of people state is very good (GURPS) will try to build C2C in it.
Prodigy
 GM, 4 posts
 Super-Genius
Sun 29 Nov 2020
at 18:17
The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Are you saying we should try this in GURPS?

I did see a post the other day that might almost work for Prodigy
Prodigy
 GM, 5 posts
 Super-Genius
Sun 29 Nov 2020
at 19:42
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Game Master:
Ok, let me ask you a 'what if' ---

If you had to start a Superhero genre world, what would be the origin story for the origin stories...


This is kind of what I'm doing with Andul, trying to make a multi-genre world.

Marvel has Celestials monkeying around with human DNA as early as the Stone Age

DC has the Godwave and the Source

For me, I have multiple sources so it's hard to articulate but with a multi-genre world, gods and magic already exist. Plus, I have an alien invasion in the Stone Age so supertech is available as well.

Then there are immortals. I wanted to inject a bit of Melnibone and Lovecraft back into the elves. For instance, the alien invasion resulted in humans being enslaved so the immortals of the time transformed reptiles into an army of dragons and dragonfolk to repel the aliens. Of course, the dragonfolk then turned and enslaved humanity for themselves and eventually set off an eldritch armageddon so, I leave room for epic magic   :)
Prodigy
 GM, 6 posts
 Super-Genius
Sun 29 Nov 2020
at 23:34
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Game Master:
Just for shits and Giggles, and to learn the system, which lots of people state is very good (GURPS) will try to build C2C in it.


You may find this resource handy

http://dagwood.sandwich.net/marvel/

a couple of useful resources... maybe we should have a resource page

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=133199

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=27116
    (Iron Man is on page 4 if you want to see someone else's power armour build)

This message was last edited by the GM at 23:39, Mon 30 Nov 2020.

Prodigy
 GM, 7 posts
 Super-Genius
Tue 1 Dec 2020
at 02:05
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Game Master:
Now throwing a curve ball here, have you tried to build Prodigy with Gurps Supers?


As it turns out, I have. I have a build from 2013 but I'm going to start from scratch. I'll figure out his point total as:
187/150 = x/1000
Probably around 1250
Game Master
 GM, 6 posts
 Gman
 Chiggins
Fri 4 Dec 2020
at 01:30
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Will try to write up C2C in GURPS or come up with another hero (never anti-hero).
As for setting, we can do Marvel since I know more than DC and it is familiar for us both, and I am aware of lots of MnM resources for said world.

Will write him up this weekend. Should have some time this sunday.
Prodigy
 GM, 8 posts
 Super-Genius
Fri 4 Dec 2020
at 20:18
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Game Master:
or come up with another hero (never anti-hero)


Did you get a burst of inspiration or something?

Also, you could update the Emissaries to 3rd edition, plus your own aesthetic edits.

Prodigy feels about right in both builds (MnM and GURPS). I'm tempted to recreate either;
  1. Nightstalker - occult, pulp hero, demon archnemesis. Once a philanthropist, he finds a story about magical ink, leading him down a rabbit hole of supernatural power.
  2. A hybrid of Cambrian and Jadeheart - they're both guys who gained their powers from a dragon spirit. One has a Kung Fu/Iron vibe, the other is a Celtic-themed tank
  3. Entheogea - a Mind Control/Psionic Assault Dominator I made for City of Villains


Oh, also, did you hear that City of Heroes is back up and running... sort of. I guess the code got out, some folks ran a private server for 10 years, then a video of that server got out last year, and the whole thing blew up. Now there are a bunch of private servers that are open to new players.

https://www.pcgamer.com/after-...ity-of-heroes-again/

The subreddit has a server list
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cityo..._thread_november_30/

This message was last edited by the GM at 08:08, Sat 05 Dec 2020.

Game Master
 GM, 7 posts
 Gman
 Chiggins
Thu 10 Dec 2020
at 23:42
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Will create C2C in Gurps.
Will try to create him in Cipher.

Thinking of revisiting 'Black Sun' my dead sun of sorts, instead of heat, he generates cold. His costume was a rip off of the symbiote suit without the stripes and the eyes, but it was an ice sheath.
Have a pretty twisted thing in mind for his orgin. Need to put it in writing in order to see if it makes comic logic sense.

I also am kind of in the mood of a batman, daredevil level hero. Think I will revisit the UrbaKnight.

If I can get the handle on Gurps, I can try to transfer all those nasty antagonists I had set up.

Of course, Aberrant might come out as well, need to keep some ideas for that one :).

Novas are just too cool, Heroes with an inevitable tragic end.

Should we explore the TSR Marvel game?
Prodigy
 GM, 10 posts
 Super-Genius
Fri 11 Dec 2020
at 20:25
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Game Master:
Will create C2C in Gurps.
Will try to create him in Cipher.


   I haven't looked at Cipher in quite some time... and I'm realizing it's because it's on a different hard drive than the one with all my MnM and GURPS books so I've forgotten about it :p

Game Master:
Thinking of revisiting 'Black Sun' my dead sun of sorts, instead of heat, he generates cold. His costume was a rip off of the symbiote suit without the stripes and the eyes, but it was an ice sheath.
Have a pretty twisted thing in mind for his orgin. Need to put it in writing in order to see if it makes comic logic sense.


   Still a villain or someone you want to play as a PC?

Game Master:
I also am kind of in the mood of a batman, daredevil level hero. Think I will revisit the UrbaKnight.

If I can get the handle on Gurps, I can try to transfer all those nasty antagonists I had set up.


   I think GURPS would work best with the street-level heroes. It has a lot of grit to it. Lots of options. I was reading the forums and someone posted a good way to look at GURPS - it's not a game, it's a toolbox that lets you create your own game. It has so many options because you're expected to disregard at least half of them depending on what you're aiming for.


Game Master:
Of course, Aberrant might come out as well, need to keep some ideas for that one :).

Novas are just too cool, Heroes with an inevitable tragic end.


   Yes, Aberrant is pretty cool. Well, White Wolf has always been good at worldbuilding. But as you said before, that worldbuilding can be limiting. As cool as Aberrant is, you can't have a Thor or a Dr. Strange because gods don't exist and superpowers are all from a special organ in the brain not magic.


Game Master:
Should we explore the TSR Marvel game?


TSR Marvel? Wow, that's going way back but it does give me a semi-crazy idea

What if we switch game systems depending on which world we're playing in?
  Marvel: TSR or MHR
  DC: MnM
  Pax: Aberrant
  Street Level: GURPS
Prodigy
 GM, 11 posts
 Super-Genius
Sun 13 Dec 2020
at 21:07
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Game Master:
I also am kind of in the mood of a batman, daredevil level hero. Think I will revisit the UrbaKnight.


You got me thinking about a sidekick/partner/main NPC
I have an idea to squish Nightstalker, Cambrian, and Jadeheart into one character


Game Master:
Should we explore the TSR Marvel game?


Rebuild Prodigy in MSHRPG? Challenge accepted
Game Master
 GM, 8 posts
 Gman
 Chiggins
Thu 17 Dec 2020
at 15:18
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
For Gurps : My Super-Hero I presume this level
Moderate-Power: 400-1,600 points. The heroes have several
powers at fairly high levels; individual human beings are no
threat to them, and they can perform quite impressive feats.
This is suitable for a four-color campaign; in one about darker
protagonists, the existence of beings at this power level may
make the world a scary place.

And 'wildcard' for my vigilante?
Prodigy
 GM, 14 posts
 Super-Genius
Thu 17 Dec 2020
at 19:27
Re: The Deadpool zone: Breaking the Fourth Wall
Here's the table I made for Wysk to give me some grounding on the point scale

Power Levels
Point TotalPower LevelExamples
    -25FeebleChildren, mindless thralls, zombies
  25-50AverageRegular folk
  50-75CompetentAthletes, cops
  75-100ExceptionalStar athletes
100-200HeroicPeople at realistic peak of achievement
200-300Larger than LifeCinematic characters
300-500LegendaryGritty supers and super-mortals
500-1500Superhuman-
1500-6000Global-scale Superhuman-
6000+Godlike-


Wysk is 150, already very competent at the start of his career and basically a weak or immature cinematic character. I made Mary and Mina on 1000 points.

Here's a build of Daredevil at 600 points
http://dagwood.sandwich.net/marvel/daredevil.html

His Iron Fist is a touch over 1000
http://dagwood.sandwich.net/marvel/iron_fist.html



quote:
And 'wildcard' for my vigilante?

Probably the best option for a superhero. Probably want a few like Drive!, Bow!, Fist!, Move!, etc.