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the stars
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Mon 22 Feb 2021
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I thought the episodes were different lengths anyway, for some reason.

And I was wondering what you thought! I liked it though wasn't blown away. I did like the 'reveal,' though it felt -- hasty. Like there was a scene or a couple minutes of amp-up that was missing somewhere in the episode.

What d'you mean with the What Happened with Monica? The powers-getting...? The confrontation...?

Glad you're feeling better, btw! And I hope you didn't feel stressed about any RP stuff while you were mending/taking it more chill. I'm kind of post-meh myself... slept thirteen hours last night/this morning...
Istvan
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Mon 22 Feb 2021
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the stars:
I thought the episodes were different lengths anyway, for some reason.

And I was wondering what you thought! I liked it though wasn't blown away. I did like the 'reveal,' though it felt -- hasty. Like there was a scene or a couple minutes of amp-up that was missing somewhere in the episode.

What d'you mean with the What Happened with Monica? The powers-getting...? The confrontation...?



From "well here's where I'll pick up my truck" to her eyes turning blue? All of that could have taken less than two minutes in my very well-qualified opinion. Felt like it took more than 5... honestly FELT like it took TEN.


the stars:
Glad you're feeling better, btw! And I hope you didn't feel stressed about any RP stuff while you were mending/taking it more chill. I'm kind of post-meh myself... slept thirteen hours last night/this morning...


Nah, you'll get to it when you get to it
Istvan
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Fri 26 Feb 2021
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Meh. Wandavision 8 dropped. With the exception of one scene in the middle, I'm not impressed. It's been downhill for me since the Halloween episode... I'm ready to just Wrap It Up...

https://i.gifer.com/3inu.gif

Let me know when you've seen it so I don't have to worry about spoilers
the stars
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Fri 26 Feb 2021
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I shall watch tonight and let you know immediately! V. curious!
Istvan
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Fri 26 Feb 2021
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the stars:
I shall watch tonight and let you know immediately! V. curious!


Not really impressed with the one scene in the middle, either, but it was certainly the best part...
the stars
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Sat 27 Feb 2021
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The internet and my phone are trying their BEST to spoil me--didn't get a chance to watch it yesterday, as my in-person work has gone crazy (and will be crazy until Thursday, blurgh).

On that note, Martin gave Istvan a file to read before--is he gonna read it now? If so, I'll drop a big ol infodump mystery message on ya, but if not, I'll just have Martin give his opinions :grin:
Istvan
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Sat 27 Feb 2021
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the stars:
On that note, Martin gave Istvan a file to read before--is he gonna read it now? If so, I'll drop a big ol infodump mystery message on ya, but if not, I'll just have Martin give his opinions :grin:


He won't reject Martin's input, but I think he's got time to look at the file...
the stars
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Mon 1 Mar 2021
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Okay. It's been seen. No reason to worry about spoilers. What was the scene in the middle that got you, the Vision-Wanda-grief-talk?
Istvan
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Mon 1 Mar 2021
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the stars:
Okay. It's been seen. No reason to worry about spoilers. What was the scene in the middle that got you, the Vision-Wanda-grief-talk?


Yeah-- it didn't really "get me" at all, but it was the best part, and they should have spent more time with it-- in fact, they should have spent MOST of their time with it.

--the first thing I would have done different would have been to shorten EVERYTHING before and after the Wanda And Vizh At Avengers Compound And Him Being Nice To Her scene

--and then lengthen that to like 18 minutes or so

-make me believe a woman could fall in love with a robot guy and vice versa

--but no



--Then there's the first scene. Should'a just burned 'er...

"Coven-Mother, since Agatha has studied the forbidden texts, then perhaps instead of using our magic to deal with her, we should instead just bur--"

"--NO! That is the weapon of the ENEMY."



--Also, it answered every question i didn't need answered and answered zero questions I wanted answered

1. How did YOU show up for this party, Agatha? Did you feel a disturbance in the Force?

2. What the hell is Fietro? The bunny?

and so on.



Also I have many strong opinions on the show and televisual literacy

"Who's really behind this? Mephisto? Nightmare?"

"It's Agatha Harkness."

"Nah, that can't be it-- we spotted her in episode 1. It's gotta be somebody else-- somebody BIG!"




"Who's really creating this? Mephisto? Nightmare?"

"Maybe Wanda's just doing that herself, out of grief."

"Nah, that can't be it-- we could've figured that out right from the start. And how could she have that kind of power? It's gotta be somebody else! Somebody BIG!"




I was mildly amused, the morning after, searching articles saying "uh well so I guess it's not mephisto after all. Um moving on..."

I mean for pity's sake, it didn't even show us nor even MENTION Monica the whole time.

People's sense of televisual literacy has turned the show into a more complex show than it turned out to be.

Because the obvious answers were too obvious

"All I know is, it couldn't be THAT. That would be trite."

Yes. Yes, it would-- at least, it would after so much build-up. And yet.

LOST did a terrible thing to television in America, and it's still doing it.





"And now, episode 9 of WandaVision."
Wanda blinks anxiously: "...'Scarlet Witch...'? ...What the crap is that?!"





The show could have been good.

WandaVision that is.

If it'd been as clever as they thought it was...





While I'm on the subject: Are you aware that Agatha's actress was also the voice of Viv (female Doc Ock) in SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE?

because she was

i only found out the other day when i looked her up
the stars
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Mon 1 Mar 2021
at 15:24
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quote:
Yeah-- it didn't really "get me" at all, but it was the best part, and they should have spent more time with it-- in fact, they should have spent MOST of their time with it.

--the first thing I would have done different would have been to shorten EVERYTHING before and after the Wanda And Vizh At Avengers Compound And Him Being Nice To Her scene

--and then lengthen that to like 18 minutes or so

-make me believe a woman could fall in love with a robot guy and vice versa

--but no


Hmmm. I liked the meat of that scene, but I don't know if extending the show-us-how-they-were scene would've worked... Hmm. Maybe if it called back to things that had happened in the show already or in the movies. Paul Bettany is charming, maybe he could have pulled it off.

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--Then there's the first scene. Should'a just burned 'er...

"Coven-Mother, since Agatha has studied the forbidden texts, then perhaps instead of using our magic to deal with her, we should instead just bur--"

"--NO! That is the weapon of the ENEMY."


(laughs) I had the same thought re: Agatha and the witches. Like aw c’mon, guys. If she’s been using dark magics which are more powerful and forbidden, why are you using magic to do whatever you’re doing? It’s not gonna work, man. Dark magics, you were literally just saying it.

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I mean for pity's sake, it didn't even show us nor even MENTION Monica the whole time.


Yeah. At the end, I was sorry not to have had a check in with the stories of the other characters, except for the sword guy who sucks. That said, I don't really think there was room for them in this episode, so I wasn't too upset.

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People's sense of televisual literacy has turned the show into a more complex show than it turned out to be.

Because the obvious answers were too obvious

"All I know is, it couldn't be THAT. That would be trite."

Yes. Yes, it would-- at least, it would after so much build-up. And yet.


Hmm, interesting.

I hard disagree on the whole thing being Wanda's fault because of grief = trite. I also hard disagree that simple answers can't be complex, and that complicated fan theories like "oh, it's this villain I know from the comics because" are cleverer. Heck, 'the bad guy was there all along' is a classic for a reason. Done well, it's a lot of fun, and it's not as though there weren't hints that Agatha was different the whole time. I'm not sure how 'well' it's been done, but eh. I maybe give first reveal a solid B, this episode a C.

That said, I'm really not interested in Wanda's grief being manipulated before any of this went down by that annoying generic sword director guy just so he can get a weapon back online and use her power to do it. That director guy is just so darned generic and I hate that plot I hate it so much I cannot express how boring I find yet another rich dude doing shady things just so they can get the perfect weapon under their control.

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LOST did a terrible thing to television in America, and it's still doing it.


What terrible thing do you mean? (curious)

I never watched Lost. I remember the furor around it, but I just never got around to it and then when it was done I was like 'well, it sounds like a show I will not waste my time with.' Samesies with Battlestar Galactica, though I did catch a couple episodes of season one. Then nothing and I heard about the end and was like, 'Nope, not interested in that payoff, sounds so bad I don't think I'll be watching it.' Honestly would also have been the case with GoT, if I'd known how terribly the writing was going to go. (Note: not Daenarys going mad, I didn't mind that per se. It just needed a hellova lot more specific lead up in a full season dealing with her sense of isolation in Westeros and the Westeros politicking as people she believed were close to her betrayed her or seemed to betray her.)

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While I'm on the subject: Are you aware that Agatha's actress was also the voice of Viv (female Doc Ock) in SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDERVERSE?

because she was

i only found out the other day when i looked her up


I did know that! But I only knew it because a youtube reviewer I like watching mentioned it in a review of one of the WandaVision episodes. I know her more as Jennifer Barkley from Parks and Rec. (grin) I think she's such an interesting actress--I hope she roles with some range. I think she does such interesting things with her face.
Istvan
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Mon 1 Mar 2021
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the stars:
quote:
I mean for pity's sake, it didn't even show us nor even MENTION Monica the whole time.


Yeah. At the end, I was sorry not to have had a check in with the stories of the other characters, except for the sword guy who sucks. That said, I don't really think there was room for them in this episode, so I wasn't too upset.


I was, because there could easily have been room for them, because there were so many beats I didn't need to shown.


the stars:
quote:
People's sense of televisual literacy has turned the show into a more complex show than it turned out to be.

Because the obvious answers were too obvious

"All I know is, it couldn't be THAT. That would be trite."

Yes. Yes, it would-- at least, it would after so much build-up. And yet.


Hmm, interesting.

I hard disagree on the whole thing being Wanda's fault because of grief = trite.



I mean trite in the sense of "too obvious" or, alternatively, the sense of "unsurprising."

Because most viewers commenting online seem to want NOTHING about the show to be obvious. Annnnd most things about the show are obvious.

--Wanda's doing this out of grief
--Everyone's being mind-controlled
--Agatha all along
--Monica will get powers
--The guy in charge of SWORD is bad

etc.



the stars:
I also hard disagree that simple answers can't be complex, and that complicated fan theories like "oh, it's this villain I know from the comics because" are cleverer.



I am against those complicated fan theories, and I am also against the way the show is actually doing most things.


the stars:
Heck, 'the bad guy was there all along' is a classic for a reason. Done well, it's a lot of fun, and it's not as though there weren't hints that Agatha was different the whole time. I'm not sure how 'well' it's been done, but eh. I maybe give first reveal a solid B, this episode a C.

That said, I'm really not interested in Wanda's grief being manipulated before any of this went down by that annoying generic sword director guy just so he can get a weapon back online and use her power to do it. That director guy is just so darned generic and I hate that plot I hate it so much I cannot express how boring I find yet another rich dude doing shady things just so they can get the perfect weapon under their control.


I am quite tired of non-poor white governmental dudes doing shady things for power.

AND YET THAT IS A THING THAT HAPPENS LOTS OF TIMES PER DAY AND WE ARE ALL IN HELL BECAUSE OF IT so I can't fault art for holding up the mirror to it all it wants.


the stars:
quote:
LOST did a terrible thing to television in America, and it's still doing it.


What terrible thing do you mean? (curious)


It is arguable whether or not it is bad to teach the audience that they should be watching to look for CLUUUUUUES so as to SOLVE the entertainment experience.

(In fact, it could be argued that QAnon gamified that.)

But there is no question that it is bad to do what LOST did, which is to teach the audience that they should be watching to look for CLUUUUUUES so as to SOLVE the entertainment experience WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD ENDING FOR THE SHOW IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NEVER GET ONE BY THE END.

the stars:
I never watched Lost.


Yeah me neither.

the stars:
I remember the furor around it, but I just never got around to it and then when it was done I was like 'well, it sounds like a show I will not waste my time with.' Samesies with Battlestar Galactica, though I did catch a couple episodes of season one. Then nothing and I heard about the end and was like, 'Nope, not interested in that payoff, sounds so bad I don't think I'll be watching it.'


I also did not watch it. I watched more of the ORIGINAL Galactica than I did the remake stuff.

the stars:
Honestly would also have been the case with GoT, if I'd known how terribly the writing was going to go. (Note: not Daenarys going mad, I didn't mind that per se. It just needed a hellova lot more specific lead up in a full season dealing with her sense of isolation in Westeros and the Westeros politicking as people she believed were close to her betrayed her or seemed to betray her.)


Making a show out of GoT that they were unable to end to anyone's satisfation because they passed the original books is also not okay.



the stars:
I know her more as Jennifer Barkley from Parks and Rec. (grin)


Tried watching the very first episode, hated it, will never go back.

the stars:
I think she's such an interesting actress--I hope she roles with some range. I think she does such interesting things with her face.


Speaking of her face, I do not like how they're "witching her up" in that last shot of ep 8.

This show is unfair to witches, and "but the protagonist is also a witch-- a good witch!" does not make it okay. I have witches in both my facebook and twitter timelines, and they deserve better.
the stars
GM, 121 posts
Thu 4 Mar 2021
at 21:51
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Re: OOC Commentary

My brain's been pretty trashed w/ work this week and info-heavy GM posts are always tricky then, but I should have a post for Istvan by tomorrow even at the latest! If I don't, feel free to poke-remind me.

Will commentate more on other OOC posts soon too. Just been... a hellova week. Looking so forward to... two weeks from now.
Istvan
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Fri 5 Mar 2021
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the stars:
My brain's been pretty trashed w/ work this week and info-heavy GM posts are always tricky then, but I should have a post for Istvan by tomorrow even at the latest! If I don't, feel free to poke-remind me.

Will commentate more on other OOC posts soon too. Just been... a hellova week. Looking so forward to... two weeks from now.


Okay
the stars
GM, 123 posts
Sat 6 Mar 2021
at 22:33
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Istvan:
I mean trite in the sense of "too obvious" or, alternatively, the sense of "unsurprising."

Because most viewers commenting online seem to want NOTHING about the show to be obvious. Annnnd most things about the show are obvious.

--Wanda's doing this out of grief
--Everyone's being mind-controlled
--Agatha all along
--Monica will get powers
--The guy in charge of SWORD is bad


I confess I did not foresee Monica getting powers from the get-go. I mean, maybe once they mentioned her cells or her labs being weird, but before that, nope.

Istvan:
I am against those complicated fan theories, and I am also against the way the show is actually doing most things.


How do you feel about the finale? (curious) Does it change the way you felt about the show one way or another?

Istvan:
I am quite tired of non-poor white governmental dudes doing shady things for power.

AND YET THAT IS A THING THAT HAPPENS LOTS OF TIMES PER DAY AND WE ARE ALL IN HELL BECAUSE OF IT so I can't fault art for holding up the mirror to it all it wants.


Too true.


Istvan:
the stars:
What terrible thing do you mean? (curious)


It is arguable whether or not it is bad to teach the audience that they should be watching to look for CLUUUUUUES so as to SOLVE the entertainment experience.

(In fact, it could be argued that QAnon gamified that.)

But there is no question that it is bad to do what LOST did, which is to teach the audience that they should be watching to look for CLUUUUUUES so as to SOLVE the entertainment experience WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD ENDING FOR THE SHOW IN THE FIRST PLACE AND NEVER GET ONE BY THE END.


Hmmm. I feel like WandaVision, which did have a narrow arc, with a planned outcome that seemed to have always been planned, doesn't really slot into the Lost throwing out clues and mysteries just to deepen its own mythology without any sense of where it's going type. I take what you're saying about expectation versus reality, but amn't sure this is a thing that detracted from this show--at least for me. We're presented with a sitcom world, and it slowly widens to reveal that it's a world within a world, and the character's seem to slowly (in the case of Vision and Wanda a little, anyway) widen their experience/awareness too. I felt like we were invited along, but not like, taunted with clues that we--the viewing audience--should have been able to put together. But perhaps I feel this because I'm not very steeped in actual comics lore?

Istvan:
I also did not watch it. I watched more of the ORIGINAL Galactica than I did the remake stuff.


Never saw the original BSG either.

Istvan:
Making a show out of GoT that they were unable to end to anyone's satisfation because they passed the original books is also not okay.


Yeah. Though I kept wondering if GRRM would feel relieved by somebody else taking the reins for 'ending' the thing, like pressure off, he can just do whatever he wants. And I don't necessarily think the show needed the books to be complete to do a good job once it had become its own beast. Unfortunately, it just... did not do a good job, story/writing-wise.

Istvan:
the stars:
:
I know her more as Jennifer Barkley from Parks and Rec. (grin)



Tried watching the very first episode, hated it, will never go back.


Oh man. It's one of my favourite comfort shows, but I started--as most people will tell you, I think--with the second season and went from there. The first season has a completely different tone from the latter ones. If you like Brooklyn 99 or The Office or The Good Place, I'd suggest giving it another go sometime. But I get it if that's just not your genre of sitcom.

Istvan:
This show is unfair to witches, and "but the protagonist is also a witch-- a good witch!" does not make it okay. I have witches in both my facebook and twitter timelines, and they deserve better.


Marvel doesn't seem very great to women adjacent to power, although I guess tbf it's not like it treats its menfolk with kid gloves.

Skipping ahead though since the show's over now, there was one thing I didn't like about the finale--which I thought was overall pretty satisfying, and more satisfying than I was prepared for it to be! Dang, but Paul Bettany is so charming. But I was annoyed by the 'we're family so we'll always be family' rot. I remember it sticking out to me particularly. What about people who need to escape their families, Disney? What about people whose parents are abusive or siblings are abusive and have decided to separate themselves from those toxic influences? Disney, man.

I watched a YouTube movie reviewer whose videos I like talk about the finale in terms of cementing Wanda as a villain, & liked that thought. Jeremy Jahns is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6gAm7O9vWs

He's very high energy.
Istvan
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Sun 7 Mar 2021
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the stars:
I confess I did not foresee Monica getting powers from the get-go. I mean, maybe once they mentioned her cells or her labs being weird, but before that, nope.


Ah, well, no, understandable-- that's a read-all-the-Marvel-comics-already thing.



the stars:
Istvan:
I am against those complicated fan theories, and I am also against the way the show is actually doing most things.


How do you feel about the finale? (curious) Does it change the way you felt about the show one way or another?


Made me like the whole thing even less.

I will admit, though, that this short article I read this morning made me look at things slightly differently, namely with more pity: https://www.thewrap.com/wandav...-worst-mcu-villains/




the stars:
I kept wondering if GRRM would feel relieved by somebody else taking the reins for 'ending' the thing, like pressure off, he can just do whatever he wants. And I don't necessarily think the show needed the books to be complete to do a good job once it had become its own beast. Unfortunately, it just... did not do a good job, story/writing-wise.


SHOULDN'T have needed them to be complete to do a good job going beyond where GRRM stopped.

Turns out, though, that they did need them to be complete to do a good job going beyond where GRRM stopped.


the stars:
Istvan:
the stars:
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Parks and Rec. (grin)


Tried watching the very first episode, hated it, will never go back.


Oh man. It's one of my favourite comfort shows, but I started--as most people will tell you, I think--with the second season and went from there. The first season has a completely different tone from the latter ones. If you like Brooklyn 99 or The Office or The Good Place, I'd suggest giving it another go sometime. But I get it if that's just not your genre of sitcom.


1. I grasp that there are shows where people should not watch the first X number of seasons, because the shows in question don't get it together until point Y. I, however, was not stopped from watching at S1E1, and now-- so much for that!

2. The Office: I have not watched The Office, and do not ever want to do so.

3. The Good Place: Tempting to me, but a beloved family member does not ever want to try watching it, and I don't wish to try it alone.

4. I... like... SOME of Brooklyn 9-9. It's a mixed bag that increasingly just falls apart and they seemed to just forget how to write it correctly and it got harder and harder to watch. Great cast (except for Terry Crews), great characters (including the character played by Terry Crews), writing got worse and worse.

My advice to people curious about B 9-9 would be: Jump in on S1E1, and then keep going and enjoy seasons 1 and as much as you can of 2. But beware, for Bad Episodes start really coming in hard and fast in Season 3, and I would recommend stopping and bailing out on any episode that smells bad (you can usually tell the bad ones right away-- they often involve "Frustration Comedy" or "Funny Humiliation" plots, or characters who just seem to be starting to act out of character)... I would recommend stopping at the end of S3E8, where Terry Crews' character and his wife have a third child-- that one's almost a return to the quality of the old days, or close enough to make you say "ah, someone remembers when this show was still good, and why, even though they're having a bit of trouble still doing it."

It's where I stopped.




the stars:
Marvel doesn't seem very great to women adjacent to power


Yeah

the stars:
Dang, but Paul Bettany is so charming.


Agree

the stars:
But I was annoyed by the 'we're family so we'll always be family' rot. I remember it sticking out to me particularly. What about people who need to escape their families, Disney? What about people whose parents are abusive or siblings are abusive and have decided to separate themselves from those toxic influences? Disney, man.


Agree (with you about that)


I strongly disliked the finale. Here is a small list of reasons:

1. Darcy was in it for like 4 seconds

2. We did not find the top hat and bunny and give them to Jimmy

3. "thank you for choosing me to be your mom?" What? Huh?

4. Why the hell did White Vision just yeet himself out of there and not come back

5. Who was the FBI informant that got Jimmy involved in this in the first place?

6. Boner joke. I suggested it was a big mistake to cast Peters because of how mad it's made the fans not to follow through at all. Beloved Family Member correctly said that that wasn't a big mistake at all (he was quite fun in the Halloween Spooktacular after all); that the mistake was the Boner joke, signifying "tricked you, suckers, ha ha, you're loser fanboys"

7. So does Ralph have to have Agnes live with him the rest of his life now? are they magic-married now or what

8. I knew a week (and two days) ago that Wanda would use copies of those runes to turn Agatha's magic off

9.  I kept saying "So now obviously Wanda will shrink the Hex to just her one block of neighborhood, or maybe just her house and yard"

kept saying it

kept saying it

then i was like "wait wth why get rid of it entirely--you have kids now!"

If Darcy showed up and showed Wanda an iPad and said "I'm so sorry ma'am but look, you're gonna destroy reality if you keep this thing going another couple days" THEN OKAY FINE

but i mean what the heck



So... Beloved Family Member said: "An unsatisfying marriage between How America Uses Family Sitcoms To Explore Heartbreak In A Pleasantville Way -and- Multi-Part Infomercial For Other Marvel Projects"

(Me: "like the unsatisfying marriage between Agnes and Ralph, amiright? ah? ah? waka-waka!")

And-- that figurative marriage was always expected. The fact that that marriage was expected did not cushion the blow of that marriage of two things being unsatisfying

1 2 and 3 were not a Marvel Infomercial, and that was good as far as it went.

And then it was fine that 4 was, because what they were doing in 1 2 and 3 wasn't enough on its own.

Then 5 and 6 seemed to be doing it right (well, enough), joining the two together.

Then 7 8 and 9... did not do it right.


Got into this as a warm-up for Loki's show, and now we have less-than-zero faith that they'll handle that right. Will not try.

("You have less-than-zero faith?" Yes. The opposite of faith. BAD faith. Faith that they'll mess it up.)
the stars
GM, 124 posts
Sun 7 Mar 2021
at 19:02
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In reply to Istvan (msg # 119):

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Made me like the whole thing even less.

I will admit, though, that this short article I read this morning made me look at things slightly differently, namely with more pity: https://www.thewrap.com/wandav...-worst-mcu-villains/


Ah, interesting.

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SHOULDN'T have needed them to be complete to do a good job going beyond where GRRM stopped.

Turns out, though, that they did need them to be complete to do a good job going beyond where GRRM stopped.


Honestly, I think they needed D&D to be less controlling at the end and allow other people to take the reins, but this is a whole other debate. I find the way GoT ended really fascinating for a number of reasons, though.

quote:
1. I grasp that there are shows where people should not watch the first X number of seasons, because the shows in question don't get it together until point Y. I, however, was not stopped from watching at S1E1, and now-- so much for that!


Aw, too bad. If I ever get ahold of time travel, I'll save you from that decision! :grin: If I ever got ahold of time travel I would also:

go back in time to see various concerts and plays

That's pretty much most of what I'd use it for. I'm very tame. If I could save some animals from extinction, that would be cool too! But I don't imagine my hypothetical TC powers being that badass.

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3. The Good Place: Tempting to me, but a beloved family member does not ever want to try watching it, and I don't wish to try it alone.


Why is BFM so disinterested in it? (curious)

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4. I... like... SOME of Brooklyn 9-9. It's a mixed bag that increasingly just falls apart and they seemed to just forget how to write it correctly and it got harder and harder to watch. Great cast (except for Terry Crews), great characters (including the character played by Terry Crews), writing got worse and worse.


Agree the writing quality slopes off, especially in the later seasons. I actually refused to watch Brooklyn 99 for a long time because I was not a big fan of the main actor, but then I actually wound up bingeing it when a relative died, and I flew across country to help my brother take care of all the stuff one has to take care of, so it's pretty tied with that time.

...gonna reply to rest later, just on my phone rn.
Istvan
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the stars:
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3. The Good Place: Tempting to me, but a beloved family member does not ever want to try watching it, and I don't wish to try it alone.


Why is BFM so disinterested in it? (curious)



The vibe is that BFM doesn't particularly want to be asked that question.

My best guess is that it's because of an over-sensitivity//resistance to things that have been-- fairly or unfairly-- extremely hyped.
the stars
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Agree (with you about that)


Did you ever happen to try watching Once Upon A Time? I think it might be the show I hate the most in a turmoil of disappointment b/c of this issue.

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3. "thank you for choosing me to be your mom?" What? Huh?


Weird delivery, yeah.

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4. Why the hell did White Vision just yeet himself out of there and not come back


Hmm. I didn't think anything of it, per se. I figured more of a 'well heck now that I have my memories/the data back I gotta peace,' though it would've been nice to get... more... Maybe a lil' end cut scene.

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5. Who was the FBI informant that got Jimmy involved in this in the first place?

6. Boner joke. I suggested it was a big mistake to cast Peters because of how mad it's made the fans not to follow through at all. Beloved Family Member correctly said that that wasn't a big mistake at all (he was quite fun in the Halloween Spooktacular after all); that the mistake was the Boner joke, signifying "tricked you, suckers, ha ha, you're loser fanboys"


I thought these were related, since he did have Quicksilver's powers--but admit could be wrong. Did think it was an eyeroll joke. :grin:

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7. So does Ralph have to have Agnes live with him the rest of his life now? are they magic-married now or what


Plotholedundundun.

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9.  I kept saying "So now obviously Wanda will shrink the Hex to just her one block of neighborhood, or maybe just her house and yard"

kept saying it

kept saying it

then i was like "wait wth why get rid of it entirely--you have kids now!"


I was also surprised she didn't try to keep the house going! Not that that would have been a good life... Actually reminds me of a Sandman comic plot...

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So... Beloved Family Member said: "An unsatisfying marriage between How America Uses Family Sitcoms To Explore Heartbreak In A Pleasantville Way -and- Multi-Part Infomercial For Other Marvel Projects"

(Me: "like the unsatisfying marriage between Agnes and Ralph, amiright? ah? ah? waka-waka!")


Hee. Interesting analysis!

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Got into this as a warm-up for Loki's show, and now we have less-than-zero faith that they'll handle that right. Will not try.

("You have less-than-zero faith?" Yes. The opposite of faith. BAD faith. Faith that they'll mess it up.)


See, I'm very torn. I love Loki a la the films I've seen and have no skin in the game re: comic portrayal. But. BUT. but but but. I do not have faith--and never did--in an antihero like Loki getting their own show and that show being good. I would love to be surprised. I hope I will be surprised. It was the first show I was told about in excited tones by friends, them fully expecting I'd just be happy--but no. Wary. V. wary.

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The vibe is that BFM doesn't particularly want to be asked that question.

My best guess is that it's because of an over-sensitivity//resistance to things that have been-- fairly or unfairly-- extremely hyped.


Mm, I see. I have been called out on this behavior, and occasionally recognize it in myself, so understand. Y'ever hear of Gideon the Ninth? I drag my feet on reading it for this reason.

The Good Place is (imo!) very fairly hyped, though. I like it. A surprisingly well-contained show, w/ a cast that has good chemistry.
Istvan
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the stars:
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Agree (with you about that)


Did you ever happen to try watching Once Upon A Time? I think it might be the show I hate the most in a turmoil of disappointment b/c of this issue.



Noooooope. Nor any of the many similar shows.

There's a lot of things I don't bother with.


the stars:
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4. Why the hell did White Vision just yeet himself out of there and not come back


Hmm. I didn't think anything of it, per se. I figured more of a 'well heck now that I have my memories/the data back I gotta peace,' though it would've been nice to get... more... Maybe a lil' end cut scene.


I mentioned to someone that the final cutaway scene should have been White Vision DESTROYING SWORD HEADQUARTERS (while unharmed employees safely flee)


the stars:
But. BUT. but but but. I do not have faith--and never did--in an antihero like Loki getting their own show and that show being good. I would love to be surprised. I hope I will be surprised.


I was already unhappy about "it's gonna involve TIME TRAVEL and stuff like that?! Oh no..."

the stars:
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The vibe is that BFM doesn't particularly want to be asked that question.

My best guess is that it's because of an over-sensitivity//resistance to things that have been-- fairly or unfairly-- extremely hyped.


Mm, I see. I have been called out on this behavior, and occasionally recognize it in myself, so understand. Y'ever hear of Gideon the Ninth? I drag my feet on reading it for this reason.


Heard of, haven't tried.

Not because of the hype, just because I feel like "well if I read that, then good or bad, I'll be like 'great, a NEW writer to feel jealous of.'"
Istvan
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Hate everything about Loki the series.

Glad I didn't watch it.
the stars
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Thu 22 Jul 2021
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I don't know anything about the Loki series at all. What everything about it do you hate? Color me curious!

Also, I stand ready--er, well, once I'm a little more "back" myself, obvs--to continue this adventure. I let it slack while your time was severely limited but if you're ready to inch on... I'll start Episode 2 with a summary of Episode 1, or whatever. (handwave!)
Istvan
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the stars:
I don't know anything about the Loki series at all. What everything about it do you hate? Color me curious!

Also, I stand ready--er, well, once I'm a little more "back" myself, obvs--to continue this adventure. I let it slack while your time was severely limited but if you're ready to inch on... I'll start Episode 2 with a summary of Episode 1, or whatever. (handwave!)


I seem to be doing well on time this week, at least...

--Loki is not like the character from Thor 1 nor Avengers 1 NOR is he like the Loki we all got used to
--I honestly think that the writer didn't watch anything but Avengers 1
--Bad pacing
--WAY WAY WAY WAY too much badly handled exposition
--Badly-written romance plot

I could go on
the stars
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Did you watch Black Widow...?
Istvan
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the stars:
Did you watch Black Widow...?


No.

I didn't watch Loki.

I just read every single article, forum post, and video about it.

I'm not givin' those people my money this time. Wandavision was all three strikes. They're out.

I could have jumped back in at any time but everything I read screamed NOPE worse than Wandavision
Narrator
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So, uh... where's your life at these days?
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