Chat thread, you know how this works.

Could you post a copy of the character sheet you want used with the formatting tags? Or just paste them to our character sheets (which might be easier, as I think on it)?

Try this one.

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   SECTION 1:  THE BASICS

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Character Name  : Name
Race / Class    :
Level / Exp Pts :
Background      :

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   SECTION 2:  ABILITIES

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Strength     =     8   (+0)
Dexterity    =     8   (+0)
Constitution =     8   (+0)
Intelligence =     8   (+0)
Wisdom       =     8   (+0)
Charisma     =     8   (+0)

Proficiency Bonus =
Perception (passive wisdom) =

Racial (Race)

Class (Class)

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   SECTION 3:  SAVING THROWS

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( )Strength     =      +0
( )Dexterity    =      +0
( )Constitution =      +0
( )Intelligence =      +0
( )Wisdom       =      +0
( )Charisma     =      +0

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   SECTION 4:  SKILLS

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( )  Acrobatics (Dex)      +0       ( )  Medicine (Wis)        +0
( )  Animal Handling (Wis) +0       ( )  Nature (Int)          +0
( )  Arcana (Int)          +0       ( )  Perception (Wis)      +0
( )  Athletics  (Str)      +0       ( )  Performance (Cha)     +0
( )  Deception (Cha)       +0       ( )  Persuasion (Cha)      +0
( )  History (Int)         +0       ( )  Religion (Int)        +0
( )  Insight (Wis)         +0       ( )  Sleight of Hand (Dex) +0
( )  Intimidation (Cha)    +0       ( )  Stealth (Dex)         +0
( )  Investigation (Int)   +0       ( )  Survival (Wis)        +0

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   SECTION 5:  COMBAT & HEALTH   

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Armor Class          :
Initiative (passive) :
Speed                :

Hit Dice             :
Max Hit Points       :
Current Hit Points   :
Temporary Hit Points :

ATTACKS
Weapon type(m or r)   /   Bonus   /   Damage (Type)

** m or r stands for melee or ranged

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   SECTION 6:  BACKGROUND

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Age / Gender       :
Height / Weight    :
Eyes / Skin / Hair :
Description        :

Background          :
Skill Proficiencies :
Tool Proficiencies  :
Languages           :

Features      :
Con of Choice :
Traits        :
Ideal         :
Bonds         :
Flaws         :

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   SECTION 7: EXTRAS   

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   Equipment List
Description                 Cost       Weight


                                          lbs

   Wealth
PP =
EP =
GP =
SP =
CP =

Gems =

Jewelry =

Other =

  Magic Items

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   SECTION 8: SPELLCASTING

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Spell    Spell SV     Spell      Spell
Lvl         DC       ATK MOD     Slots

Spellbook Spells Known = 0
Cantrips
Spell        Ref Page     Casting Time     Range     Duration     Components

Level One
Spell        Ref Page     Casting Time     Range     Duration     Components   Ritual?

Level Two
Spell        Ref Page     Casting Time     Range     Duration     Components   Ritual?

Level Three
Spell        Ref Page     Casting Time     Range     Duration     Components   Ritual?

Level Four
Spell        Ref Page     Casting Time     Range     Duration     Components   Ritual?

I’m also good with an organized sheet that offers all the information requested. It’s less about formatting, and more about documenting and tracking what we need to know.

Same issue: Cut and paste doesn't pick up formatting. I'll do it unformatted.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:31, Sat 03 Apr 2021.

I posted on your sheet. Let me know if you can add your info.

No. I don't have access. I have it completed unformatted, though. Send it to you in PM?

If you have access to a character sheet, you’ll start with the maximum amount of gold allowed for 1st level. Then, repeat two more times to reflect being Working Men & Women at 3rd level. I’ll roll up one special item per player. Nothing too crazy, but to show that you’ve traveled.

OK, I think I'm done. I'll probably change my mind by morning, but, for now, I am.

I think I'm done too.  I still have a ton of gold. But once we get off the boat, he might buy a wagon and horse/pony/ass.

I'm looking forward to playing with everybody

Stats are done with the array, and not some sort of point buy, right?

Work in progress -  but am guessing I'll have this done by tomorrow.

Never mind; found the instruction on that.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:28, Sat 03 Apr 2021.

In reply to Lenelle Toreth (msg # 11):

Actually, array is the option not listed. Roll or Point Buy is what was given in the Intro thread. Although I suspect Array is 27 points prebought.

Edit: Yep, Array is 27 points.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:37, Sat 03 Apr 2021.

Yes, I meant the Array. I’ll edit that for newcomers. I am allowing the standard dice roll creation, too.

Hey everyone.

Hello Cela, welcome  ---   I'm pretty much done with the sheet; pending maybe some last tweaks.

Can you open my sheet and make it editable, please?

I no done.  Trouble to read.  Fix soon.

(I can already tell Grog will be a unique personal challenge to look forward to.  To translate, my player's handbook vanished and I'll soon replace it.

That said, to keep Grog interesting, he has a list of (currently) 12 uncommon words in his limited vocabulary.
Feel free to suggest a few additions based on their "fun" or "surprise" factors.  Via PM if you want to catch other RPers off-guard if/when they eventually pop up. :3 )

Grog --   does this mean you've watched Critical Role?

Am I pirating a name? Shoot, better name him after a different drink?  Rum? Moonshine? (That sounds like a minotaur name.) What dirt cheap booze options do we have to draw from?

In reply to Grog (msg # 19):

Grog IS Rum. Just watered down. So...Wimpy Rum.

So Rum is a poor choice due to being an expensive drink?  Beer may be a touch forward. Fantasy beer brand?

EDIT: lemme see... booze, hooch, spirit, tipple, lush...

EDIT 2: Tasha's Hideous Hangover? :3. Rum's still an option, fun.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:09, Sun 04 Apr 2021.

In reply to Grog (msg # 21):

Not expensive, just higher proof.

Grog is pretty generic - it was used on ships for a long time.  I wouldn't worry about pirating it.

Come on, you've got the El Toro thing going on, so --  Tequila!

Grog is a good name -- no one can copywrite that one.   Plus the character from the show is hilarious and awesome; it's a positive association.

A 3 syllable name?!? °o°

I'll stick to Grog then.  Hopefully he'll be sufficiently entertaining.

Grog with his pirated name starts the journey on a ship... cue the theme music!

...now to figure out the fastest way to get myself a proper 5e player handbook.  I got 2, 3.5, and 4 sitting around.

Unrelated to the Grog: what sorts of expectations do we have for/from this game?  Anything you look forward to?

Am I the only one that sees the pun in calling "grog" "pirated"?

I did mention a ship in the same line. ;3

The DM deciding it isn't a one shot after all.

Oh? I wouldn't mind a one-shot deal.  If anything, there is no reason we couldn't accommodate a one-shot story having characters from a previous unrelated story take place afterward if that's how things go.  I ask to guide the experience along.

I, for one, am curious to see how far my terrible luck with d20s holds out this round.  I am also looking to challenge my play style and take a more background role.  I am also curious to see the playstyles of the others here.  Low expectations, but I figured it would be easier then plant ideas of a grand epic from a less experienced DM.

I usually take an RP-centric approach.  But will be bearing in mind, that at the end of the day, this is firstly a D&D game.

I'm less partial to grand epics than I am to interesting stories.    Based on what I've seen of the GM's writing, I think we'll be more than okay here.

To paraphrase the Vision, a thing isn't always better just because it lasts.   Most rpol games don't, anyway.

Speaking of pirates...
You might find a PDF of the Players handbook online. Just google.

Or dndbeyond. It get everything from the Pzhb you have to pay. But you can get some stuff free on dndbeyond.

Somebody mentioned character sheet formatting earlier, if you hit the quote button on the post where the dungeon master posted a character sheet, and copy what auto populates and paste into you character sheet (minus the quote tags and the beginning/end) you can get a sheet with formatting, if that makes sense.

It should be open now.

It is, thanks!

Cela and Grog. Even or Odd?
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:35, Mon 05 Apr 2021.

Would being odd make things even?

Coin flip was heads.

Nope.

Even or Odd. Pick one.

Heads would be 1 instead of 2.  So odd it is! (Though I do believe I said I was being odd from the start. :3 )

Also, I lack permissions to edit my character.
   Changed my mind on the axe, a glaive sounded more interesting.
      Slightly sad that two-handed weapons don't do 1.5x strength modifier on damage.  Not a deal-breaker obviously.  Just new.
   Also swapped from Champion to Rune Knight, as that sounded more interesting.
      I could undo that, but I assume you won't mind.
   Got a finalized list of gear, I was saddened at the lack of new buyable gear in the other rule books.  I like variety, but this isn't 3.5 and all.
      Finalized as far as I can without your magic item choice, anyway.

All that's left on my character past that is stuff that's hard to fill in without accurate Minotaur stats. (Age/Height/Weight/Speed/ect)
   I will fill in some assumed values found poking around the interwebz.  Feel free to suggest/implement corrections if needed.
   I'll probably add a section for personality stuff like his list of random 'advanced' words later.

Weird! I changed your sheet to User Editable.

Huh, working now.  Must have been lag on my end or something.  Give it a review then, I'll assume it's fine unless otherwise stated.

EDIT: Magic Item fixed as well.  Grog should be ready.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:53, Mon 05 Apr 2021.

I’m waiting on a reply from one more applicant. If a party of seven or eight can work for the early Dragonlance tales, then I could make it work for us. If you all finish your character sheets before then, I’ll start the game  with y’all.

A new game is always exciting!  I even figured out I got seperate character sheet and character description pages, which was throwing me off a bit.  I felt like Grog for a time there.  I now have a fun blurb and bits of backstory snuck in for him as well, joining the ranks of those ahead of me.  Huzzah!  A more complete character!

Yeah, the character sheet is for you (and the GM) and the description is for us.

I can't decide which portrait I like best yet, so I may switch around while we prepare.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:10, Mon 05 Apr 2021.

Oh, if I listed every tweak made/unmade/made pre-launch it would never end.  Like he now has a book purely for background fluff reasons.

Anyone else's characters have shortened story blurbs a bard may tell of them? Accuracy optional of course. ;3

Lenelle, Simon, & Sundos: Pick a number between 1-20.

13;  definitely 13.

It’s almost like a coven!

Gentlemen?

Also, I’m starting by 10 pm EST tonight. I’ll allow our straggler to join in if they get back to me by lunchtime tomorrow. They might miss out on a cool starting prize, though!

I will pick 8 for my number

Ok, wrapped up the loose ends of the character sheet. Well, except the ones that I am not going to wrap up.

Die roller says to pick #2, so...2

Congratulations, Sundos! The correct number was 9!
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 00:09, Tue 06 Apr 2021.

Then all that ballyhoo about 42 was bullcrap?

I knew it!

In reply to Lenelle Toreth (msg # 52):

The whole ballyhoo was about the question, not the number.

Is this the part where I’d make that upside down smiley emoji if RPOL did that sort of thing?

Check your messages, Lenelle. ;)

In reply to Grog (msg # 53):

You're a clever man minotaur, Mr. Grog.   Almost as clever as your namesake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSJqrl7oXBc&t=160s

Here we go!

(Bored on my lunch break.)

The bard leans back in the chair, forcing its front legs airborn.  "Ahh, I got a strange tale I heard, from a town small enough to lack a name.  The map called it 'Small Town' it was so out of the way."

There was a farmer terrible at his job, ol' Plunkett.  He was so dense he didn't notice his fence was more tumbleweed then wood.  Some pirates came by and buried some treasure in his ol' neglected field, after all he'd never notice the dug up ground, nor did he afterward.  The pirates even spent the night in the field drinking their cheap rum.

A bull walked right up, and as they went to shoo it away it bit right onto a bottle of booze and drank it right down.  Drunk as they were, they laughed harder then they had in years.  One of them offered the bull a mug rather then a jug, and it took it and chugged that down as well.  The pirates cheered and hollered in delight as they enjoyed their drunk bull friend.

As their slog ran dry and their energy drained, they got up to leave.  As they started walking away, they noticed the bull got up on it's back legs and was walking back right along with them.  They panicked and ran, a few pirates getting lost in the drunken hustle.  The bull eventually tripped and fell asleep on the spot, ensuring their escape.

Or at least most of them did.  Even if ol' Plunkett never noticed the noise, his neighbors sure did.  They locked up the lost drunks and were confused by the crazy story they told, especially as they could clearly see that Ol' Plunkett never had any bulls in that ol' field of his.  All the same, the outline of a bull could be seen in the grass that morning, like some kind of drunken pirate prank.

Good work on that;  that kind of thing is fun.

Not gonna lie, was not expecting my random alternate vocabulary choices to further his difficulties to communicate.  I chose words with meanings he'd use at least somewhat commonly.

By no means am I disappointed, however.  It is quite the delight see something unexpected play out within my own plans.  How very fun.


I enjoy having creative outlets. I'll likely come up with some more unverifiable Grog-centric folk tales.  Maybe something a bit different should I feel comfortable with the other characters' traits and behaviors.

EDIT: On the first note, I wouldn't mind offering insight into his undefined commentary and behaviors should you want it.  It all has meaning.  Or inversely, I could offer LESS insight into how Grog works.  I've been a touch spontaneous with both options thus far.  Whatever experience you want offered, and it can be personalized mid-post with private lines. XD
This message was last edited by the player at 05:16, Tue 06 Apr 2021.

There’s an element of Improv if you don’t explain his actions. We can run with what you’re doing. If you feel any impediments come up with miscommunications, maybe you could offer a sort of “Subtitles” for what he’s trying to communicate so the audience knows, even if the characters don’t.

That's what I did with a Kenku character I had, specifying who might pick up what he was putting down.

That does sounds like my offer, yes.  Unprompted, I will continue to offer random insights and leave random bits undefined.  If you have a preference as a player, I shall defer to it.  (Having access to private lines, I can make those preferences specific to each player.)

That said, the idea of shifting the insights to match what the characters may understand is quite the idea.  I'll keep it in mind, but I have a gap in info for doing so accurately.  Maybe it'll develop more that way with time.

See? That’s considerate to your audience!

In our group, we have an Elf, Half-Orc, Minotaur, & Tabaxi. I like the racial diversity of our group! Azatch, think about your time in Deadwater, and your mother, and PM me a concise backstory when you have a moment. You’ve got a “half-day’s trek” to RP (just the highlights), so you have just enough time before you reach Deadwater.

IF you reach it.


*upside smiley emoji*

P.S., you’re receiving the bonus goodies IC before you leave the ship. I just wanted a fun way to kill the time and give you a “Sign Up Bonus” in the process.

Just a halfer;  one more human-like in her experiences and culture.  But, the Elvish side does color the way she sees things, and approaches life.  Or will, if my RP is up to snuff.

Hey, Grog no worries on that --  I came in relatively late, there were a number of things to get on top of.    I may have missed things that should've been obvious, or might've been to another player.  When Lenelle was thinking she doesn't understand him, it was more in sum, not just the words.   You're the only minotaur she's met, and she's from a relatively sheltered sort of background.

I'm not familiar with "Rune Knight," but it sounds intriguing. He's very limited in his vocabulary, yet doing something as complex and nuanced as working with runes. Clearly, there are sides to Grog that aren't obvious.

Re Moonsong's avatar - did you ever watch the Syfy series 'Defiance'?

I suspect this means that my question was misunderstood.  Let me try again:

"How mysterious (or undefined) does everyone want Grog to be?"

I am not new to RP by any means.  Grog will be Grog regardless of the insights I offer into the hows and whys of Grog.  I can even offer these insights independently to each member of the party given that  exist.  A little wonky to be used mid-line at rPol, but it's an option.

It isn't about what you did/didn't get, but what I choose to offer.  I'd rather everybody get the experience that they want out of this, and if the mystery from an otherwise boring person happens to be fun, I'd rather enjoy offering said fun.  If they like seeing how Grog develops and grows as a character instead, I can offer the insights into his brain and emotions that reveal that development.  I like to think I'm good enough at this (in general) that I can accommodate that choice.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:10, Tue 06 Apr 2021.

Either way is fine for me, Grog. If a minotaur's thinking if very foreign to humans, elves, ect, then more mystery. I guess.

It really depends on what you want. How do you as a player interpret your character?</Thespian Accent>

I know, sorry, 2 posts in a row...

I was wondering about that, I almost asked earlier...




So, Simon, Moonsong and Sundos all knew each other from before? From the adventure(s) we did together?

I thought, “Why not?” It justifies the 3rd level rating and gives a lovely nod.

In reply to Sundos Brightblood (msg # 67):

From the game we were recruited from. Moonsong is the DM.

I love seeing bits of backstory and history.  I was already planning on offering some additional veiled insight into Grog as he finished getting ready in front of people this time.

On that note: anyone who knows Giant has very real odds of knowing the deal with his runes.  It isn't presumptuous to say some culture comes with the language.  Feel free to ask.

I took Goblin as my second language and I should tie that into my background.  Background is a little light right now.  Maybe it was a goblin army?  Or maybe her name means either 'kitty' or 'lunch' in Goblin.

Working backwards, goblin should be quite the collective of stolen words.  It probably was 'star' then became 'point to start twords' which became 'appetizer' because 'of course it would you dirty goblins.'

Feel free to ignore me there though.  I just thought it up the moment I read 'lunch' and felt like sharing.

In reply to Grog (msg # 72):


Ah, but not all speakers of Goblin are Bugbears and Goblins. Hobgoblins are as smart and tech savvy as other races, and a lot more militant and orderly. And armies tend to expand languages, not shrink them.

It was a spur of the moment leap into a possible (if unplausable) means of getting the wanted result.  Not a proper logical debate. :3

In reply to Grog (msg # 74):

Who said anything about logic? I distinctly said "army".

No takers on the Potion of Water-Breathing?

Grog, were you accepting it or just thinking it over (in what manner he does)?

I think Azatch will ignore Grog when he doesn't understand him. Actions speak louder anyway. Azatch knows Common, orc, and draconic (because of dealings with lizardfolk).

...oooh, I'm catching on.  This and that were proper unconnected parallel.  What on odd assumption on my part.

As far as the potion goes, Grog stayed quiet and did not reach for it.  A quiet bonus laugh to anyone who figured his thought out.  Plenty of people left who've lacked a chance to respond, but Grog would take it if handed to him.

EDIT: Is Grog the best swimmer here?  That's an athletics check and all.  Game doesn't discriminate against hooves... anywhere.  Not that it matters.  He's also a likely contender for 'longest held breath' as well.

EDIT2: Work is kinda boring.  I wanna yammer on and on about random RP nonsense instead of do a good job today. <.<;

EDIT3: All idle chat randomly ended for hours? A conspiracy to make me work! NOOOO! (Not really.  Work isn't really that kind of problem after all.  Feel free to be productive.)
This message was last edited by the player at 00:43, Wed 07 Apr 2021.

IT'S MINE!

Takes the potion of water breathing

I wanted to be sure everyone got their fair chance before Grog

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used it to find out of breathing ale was better then drinking it.

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I was about to type up taking it when the "tick tock" commentary popped up.  Glad ya beat me to it.  Grog's got enough danger in his little powder bag for two adventures.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:57, Wed 07 Apr 2021.

I was so put off by Simon's remark about the fish, I just...couldn't go there.

Anyway, the potion going to someone who's a quick sinker is equitable.

Yeah...sorry about that. It seems Simon has hidden issues, as I think on it, that he may not realize and needs to rationalize.

As do we all.  Share the wealth!   ;)

I am assuming Simon would verbally protest being returned to the swamp water via Grog.

In reply to Grog (msg # 84):

Nah. Someone else would, but not verbally.

I have an edit to make. XD

If I gotta redo it again with no-one stopping him I suppose I will.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:48, Wed 07 Apr 2021.

I'd just as soon hold my breath in the swamp rather than gain the ability to breath swamp water.

Yes. Grapple is a contest. Please don't assume that you'll manage to do that again. You wouldn't have the first time.

Seriously, Simon has protections. Consult me next time, please.

It wouldn't be worth the rule mongering anywhere.

EDIT: And for the record Grog not succeeding was planned from the start.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:51, Wed 07 Apr 2021.

Lots of posts to wake up to.

((OOC: +3 AC is huge!  And right before a planned rest?  Hardly a waste.))

You know, my background is much more pathfinder, than 5e.    I really don't much like pathfinder, I just happen to really like some of the stories that use it.

I'm used to putting a character together, thinking I've got a pretty good skill at +9, then find everyone else has like +16.     I like how in this ed. the numbers are more moderate, and even a +1 still seems to be worth something.

I'm used to things I've max a character to accomplish failing regardless of how well I've prepped.  Makes spellcasters like 3.5 Wizards with their wide variety of no-roll-needed spell effects quite a bit more capable over other characters in my hands.

I guess I work on Blood Bowl logic.  Less rolling is better, even if rolling is required to play.

EDIT: Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I assumed a full initiative would be established before proper standard actions took place.  Even if I know that dinner the enemies rolled poorly, I figured we'd finish set-up before we got to rolling out how their demise took place.  If I'm in the wrong here, I'll update to match the times as to not unfairly lose a turn, but it does seam a bit odd to have people with potentially later initiatives acting out elements before the people who go before them.  It certainly unbalances tactics a good deal, as whoever posts first loses out on the tactics of those who go afterward.  Non-check talking is still a free action though.

This could apply to 'moving quickly in a flanking position' as much as anything else, but the DM isn't bound by the game's rules, and could easily backtrack to say the flanking move is their planned first turn if she wanted a few poor lizards to die closer together instead of closer to isolated.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:09, Wed 07 Apr 2021.

We have everyone's initiative, I think:

14:21, Today: Cela rolled 23 using 1d20+3.  initiative.
14:40, Today: Simon rolled 20 using 1d20+1.  initiaitve.
14:16, Today: Azatch rolled 19 using 1d20+2.  Initiative.
15:35, Today: Sundos Brightblood rolled 17 using 1d20.  Initiative .
14:06, Today: Grog rolled 12 using 1d20+1.  Initiative .
13:35, Today: Lenelle Toreth rolled 6 using 1d20+2.  Initiative.
13:16, Today: The Dungeonmaster rolled 4 using 1d20.  Lizardfolk initiative.

(I put these in order)

I posted that I was waiting (probably should have specified something like Ready action/attack if the lizardfolk do... I'll probably remember to do so if that comes up again.)
So Simon is up next, it seems reasonable to post actions right away if you're at the top of the initiative.

Thanks, Cela! I don’t mind people stating intention while they post their Initiative rolls. If we were playing in person, I could see a rigid ordering based on Initiative order. Play-By-Post challenges that convention, though. My update will be asked on your rolls, and my rest will respond in order of Initiative.

Would it be helpful if I kept a separate thread for Combat Initiative?

Azatch, roll Persuasion or Intimidation with Advantage (Hometown Boy Perk).

Hmm... re-reading I was less clear then Grog there. Let me ask as a question so I get the answer I was probing for:  "How does rolling initiative vs first turn actions play out?"  Same post?  Different posts?  I just need protocol.

Oh!  Customer delay on my post helped answer the question.  Intended first turn strategy on initiative roll rather then hard actions happening, implying we aren't surrounded/flanked as of just yet.

Clarifying data regarding the current fight to be posted/requested after initiative roll-postings?  That does make sense.

I’ll state this as simply as I can so we can hopefully clear up any confusion:

1. Roll your Initiative.
2. State your intended action.
3. I’ll organize and resolve actions based on Initiative order.

Again, if the majority wants a separate thread for posting Initiative rolls, I can also do that.

Does that help?

I got the opposite answer, thank you for clarifying.  First turn and initiative are combined, and I was about to lose a turn to unintended non-action.  Edit will fix that soon.

EDIT: Grog's actions have been clerified to a proper first turn.

EDIT2: BANZAI!
This message was last edited by the player at 01:20, Thu 08 Apr 2021.

Ouch.

Round 2!

I'm assuming Grog's 21 beats their AC, meaning the lizard that attacked him needs to make a DC 13 Strength save or Grog inflicted "restrained" before he could attack with his melee.  Either way, the lizard took 8 slashing and 11 fire damage on his own turn for closing that gap.

Note to self: Roll save before rolling attack. Wasted a perfectly good crit this round.

Thanks for reminding me, Lenelle!

Roll Initiative for the new round!

In reply to The Dungeonmaster (msg # 101):

Initiative every round?

Apparently, the official rule is to roll at the beginning of the battle, and use the same order, each round:

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/5e_SRD:Initiative

So, if we are gonna roll every round, we're in the realm of variant rules.

(don't listen to me, I don't know what I'm talking about, unless I look stuff up..)
This message was last edited by the player at 04:06, Thu 08 Apr 2021.

Don't ask me.  I'm trying to get out of lawering rules.  Still need to know if there is currently a lizard bound in flaming chains from Geog's first turn though.  Kinda relevent to who Grog charges.  The extra lighting could also be nice.

I’ve read some compelling arguments for rolling each round to keep the combat dynamic, fresh, even unpredictable.

If it’s bucking too hard with a variant rule, we can play the standard rule of Initiative rolls.

Grog: I haven’t forgotten you. He stepped into a flaming hot mess with his attack.

Ok, I have a question though, is the intent for things to roll out simultaneously, or do we base out decisions on what happened on the initiative count before our turn?

I am not complaining either way, but if the intention is fog of battle type chaos, we might want to make our rolls secret, or you might want to set up a script to roll our initiatives before you post but after we all declare our intent.

So, in this instance, I might know that my companions are going to start blasting the shaman, but don't know how it is all going to shake out in what order. I think it could be really fun. It will also affect my tactics, tho.

Also, can we get a rough idea of distances and such? like how far away the Shaman is and more or less where in the 20' square of entangle I am?

For now, we’ll base actions on the rolls and stated interiors, and put the outcomes in order.

For the answer to your last question:

Oops, missed that, sorry.

My impression: 5e is a bit over the top, in some ways.  I was surprised there were 1st level spells that did four dice of damage, and could be pushed even further.

I think we're all sort of living lawn-mowers, in some way.

That may make it hard (for the GM) to have a battle scene that's challenging and close, rather than needing to choose between a TPK or a TMK.   This is why I tend to like systems such as MHR (a game of which about half of us came from), that are more narrative driven, in the way they handle a fight.

I for one would be (more than)okay with the GM handling battle outcomes in a more narrative way, if it serves the story better.    I think that's the way we're leaning; but I just want to have a sense of how things will work, because it influences what I'm going to choose to do.    I want clarity on one thing:

Statement of intent:   Do you just want the plan, only?   Along with any supporting dice rolls?    Like, I assumed I'd be able to fire at my chosen targets, this round - but maybe that won't be the case?

Are we only supposed to narrate the intent - and not the action?

You did it the way I wanted by stating intent and rolling for action.

Grog, do you plan any attack in addition to your attack of opportunity (it hit, and I’m leading my next update with the result).
This message was last edited by the GM at 05:25, Fri 09 Apr 2021.

The attack of opportunity was on turn 1, have yet to start turn 2 due to pending results.

EDIT: Adding the clarification that you wanted rolls for actions that could wind up skipped entirely will streamline such issues from here forward.

EDIT 2; The reason for the delay had more to do with me getting sick on my day off rather then the discrepancy, as I would have just mentioned it sooner.  I need (more) sleep, so forgive my delays.

Cliff notes of turn: if lizard restrained move to and attack shamen at 10' range, (+5 +6 (blessed) str save is handy there, he closed 15' turn 1,) if shamen survived and ended turn 30 feet from grog use other rune.  If lizard he hit made his save, hit him again with same planned rune use on shamen as he's only 25' away at that point.

Will make this all fancy when I'm awake and less sick.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:35, Fri 09 Apr 2021.

Grog, your attack missed, but you have a grappled Lizardman chew toy in your grasp to further ravage,

I posted an update (Whew!). Cela, I apologize for missing you in Round One. I gave you that attack in this round. Thank you all for your patience, I’ve been out of the “Driver’s Seat” for D & D for about a year. I hope you’re all still having fun!

Simon, you can roll a Rebuke as a reaction.

In reply to The Dungeonmaster (msg # 114):

That s the joy of Rebuke: it's automatc. Their to hit roll is all that needs succeed.

10' push and 2 psychic damage.

Edit: I should start listing Rebuke as a Reaction in moves. I'll try and remember.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:29, Fri 09 Apr 2021.

DMing -- not for the faint of heart.    Bravo;  nice depiction of actions & outcomes!

As I look at my placeholder, I realize I forgot to roll initiative.  Whoops, guess he went last. (Or whenever.)

Now with round 2 (mostly) fixed (minus initiative given we passed it already) I can start turn 3 with the others.

Grog, if you are 5' in front of Simon, and his opponent is 10' in front of him, then you're only 5' from him, not 10'.

In reply to Simon (msg # 118):

[Simon][Opponent]
Opponent is moved 10'
[Simon][5' Gap][5' Gap][Opponent]
Grog Moves
[Simon][Grog][5' Gap][Opponent]

EDIT: Characters take up 5' squares, even without a map.  They cannot take up the same 5' square, so two opponents standing next to one other are 5' apart.  I play a LOT of D&D.  Spacing rules haven't changed sense AD&D.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:40, Fri 09 Apr 2021.

In reply to Grog (msg # 119):

So, directly in front of Simon, and 5' from opponent.

In reply to Simon (msg # 120):

...Yes and no.  That description doesn't match game terms, but it does almost match via narrative.  (5' gap between him and opponent.)  Game terms say melee weapons default to a 5' reach, hence the added rule-mongering terminology.  I've lost actions (and worse) from not placing that terminology front and center, so forgive my selfishness in my personal enforcement of the proper terms here.

In reply to Grog (msg # 121):

Those ARE the proper game terms for placement as I understand them. "Adjacent" for the 5' square next to someone, and 5' for the square between them.

As to weapons: They can affect Adjacent squares unless they have Reach, in which case they can reach past a 5' gap to a target within 10' of you.

Yes, the rules say a melee weapon can with a target WITHIN 5' of you. NOT 5' away from you. 5' away would be within 10' and require a Reach weapon. The Adjacent square is the square starting at the edge of your and going up to 5' away. IE: Within 5'.

And excuse MY Selfishness for checking the details of my sight lines when using a ranged character in combat. Yeesh.

In reply to Simon (msg # 122):

Hmmm... I shall concede to your superior wording.  I apologize once again.  (This time for being dumb about this.)  I shall edit my post to be worded more intelligently as per your format.  Thank you for your assistance in adding to clarity.

Also, I feel your selfishness as something that did not need an excuse nor apology, both of which you clearly have earned.  :P  COVER rules have changed, and my standing in the way could give the enemy +2AC if you fire from directly behind me.  I learned this just now.  My apologies, I could have stood one square to the side without the opponent leaving my melee range OR blocking your shot at all.  My bad.

While I had the book open anyway, I found shield bashing is actually NOT in the Player's Handbook at all.  I was curious if the 3.5 rule for shield bashing removing the shield's AC bonus was still true.  I don't even have that answer as of yet.  Curious.  I wonder: What book is it is in?

EDIT: It even reads better, so thank you twice. :3

EDIT 2: Not finding the rule must just mean it doesn't exist.  Shield bashing is rather advantageous in 5e, perhaps I'll use a shield with my next character.  Sad I wouldn't also get multi-attack to make it worth while.  All the same, nice to know.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:16, Fri 09 Apr 2021.

In reply to Grog (msg # 123):

It isn't (at least that I've seen). It is, at best, an improvised off hand weapon. No strength bonus, unless you have 2 weapon style, and no Proficiency bonus unless you have Tavern Brawler. It uses you bonus action.

This edition is much simplified over 3.x. Quite a few things missing or conflated. Shield bash is but one of them.

Whether or not yuou can use it for a bonus attack and keep your Shield bonus is up to the DM as it's not directly covered, but I'd say probably not, simply because it's a weapon if you use it for a bonus attack. HOWEVER...technically that is only true for attack AFTER your initiative, so you might convince a DM to let you keep Shield bonus for attacks before your turn.

The shield the lizardmen are using DOES qualify as a weapon, and their abilities don't specify weapon type for their multi-attack.  There is also nothing in there specifying they WOULD lose AC if making a multi-attack with their shield.  Their AC also lacks info on how much of it is natural armor and how much is shield bonus to make that easy.

Looks like players aren't the only ones getting boosts.  I wasn't calling foul play or anything, I was just looking into version differences given my lack of 5e experience.  Getting a weapon-style spiked shield from an enemy could be handy for a different character though.  Especially if they can do one-handed ranged attacks via spells and have a 1d6 damage weapon anyway... assuming a shield proficiency.  Might be handy to pilfer one if we get that option.  Might not.  Won't help Grog any.

DM: A thought occurs:

The Shaman did the Entangle and the Shaman is dead, correct? SO those of us Entangles are free? Assuming it's ghost or spirit isn't hanging around concentrating, still (it IS a shaman, after all).

In reply to Simon (msg # 126):

That was implied in the DMs last post:


So I suspect this round it wouldn't still be a factor.  EDIT: I said suspect for a reason, and you may feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. :P
This message was last edited by the player at 22:27, Fri 09 Apr 2021.

Well, sure. Multi attack IS 2 weapon(well, 2 weapon+) combat and racial training eliminates Improvisation penalties. Nothing special there, other than they use a bigger club than most.

But as an example of why shield bashing doesn't negate AC bonus...THAT it is a very good example of. I'll have to remember it next time I play some one with Tavern Brawling and shield use.

There is a shield master feat. It doesn't allow you to attack with damage, but you can use your shield to shove people.

S h i e l d M a s t e r
You use shields not just for protection but also for
offense. You gain the following benefits while you are
wielding a shield:
• If you take the Attack action on your turn, you can use
a bonus action to try to shove a creature within 5 feet
of you with your shield.
• If you aren’t incapacitated, you can add your shield’s AC
bonus to any Dexterity saving throw you make against
a spell or other harmful effect that targets only you.
• If you are subjected to an effect that allows you to
make a Dexterity saving throw to take only half dam -
age, you can use your reaction to take no damage if
you succeed on the saving throw, interposing your
shield between yourself and the source of the effect.

But no damaging shield bashes

Tavern Brawler lets you use a shield as a weapon (more specifically it lets you use anything as an improvised weapon). Both of those feats together sound fun and I have often thought of going for both those feats, then wielding a shield only and doing a lot of pushing and grappling.

Unfortunately, my claws a considered weapons and not unarmed strikes.

Cela's claws are considered unarmed strikes though, so she could benefit from something like that.

Which, that reminds me of a question for the DM (and anyone else, I guess). When I attack with claws, I can make another claw attack, is there anything that precludes me from subbing out the second claw attack for a grapple/shove?

If so, would I definitely have to make a claw attack first, to trigger a second attack, or do I just declare I am making two claw attacks and proceed to switch either or both of them out for grapples/shoves?

In reply to Azatch (msg # 130):

Yes. The other claw attack is a Bonus action. Both Grapple and Shove are Attack actions.

Nor can use a bonus action to do a follow up attack, as neither the Grapple nor the Shove is a light weapon (a hand/claw IS, however), and so wouldn't grant a Bonus action.

Akshully, the other claw attack for path of the beast is not a bonus action. It is just another attack.

ooops...

Tavern Brawler lets you lead with an unarmed strike and follow up with a Bonus Grapple.

Grappling
When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them. The target of your grapple must be no more than one size larger than you and must be within your reach. Using at least one free hand, you try to seize the target by making a grapple check instead of an attack roll: a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use). If you succeed, you subject the target to the grappled condition (see appendix A). The condition specifies the things that end it, and you can release the target whenever you like (no action required).

Shoving a Creature
Using the Attack action, you can make a special melee attack to shove a creature, either to knock it prone or push it away from you. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them. The target must be no more than one size larger than you and must be within your reach. Instead of making an attack roll, you make a Strength (Athletics) check contested by the target’s Strength (Athletics) or Dexterity (Acrobatics) check (the target chooses the ability to use). If you win the contest, you either knock the target prone or push it 5 feet away from you.

Shield Master sounds great.  Put that on a cleric and he'd be quite the hassle to take down.  Even more so if you can customize the shield to also channel the divine.

Would an attack with a spiked shield also let you shove an opponent?  The wording implies you could.  (Makes sense in narrative as well, the spikes wouldn't stop the swing from shoving.)

Only thing that would make it better would be if the spiked shield qualified as a light weapon to ALSO work with mult-weapon fighting.  Multi-attacks with extra shoving and a bonus to dex saves that could half damage?

Shame ya can't buy spiked shields. XD



On the claw front, I could make a guess based on wording of what I assume to be your chosen tree, but I'm not certain.So... must be part of the same 'attack' action which is specific to being an attack.  Again, just a guess.

EDIT: Can be used as part of the attack action?  That sounds like it fits the bill.

EDIT 2: The tail is a reach weapon that can use a reaction to add 1d8 AC after an attack hits you to possibly make it miss?  That's cool.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:59, Fri 09 Apr 2021.

In reply to Azatch (msg # 134):

Good point. 5th level warrior types get more than one attack (and lower lever fighters get an occasional action surge). In that case, then, yes, you could still do the claw attack/bonus attack combo, I would think. But barring that by class or level, it's granted by a feat, which would imply it's not possible without multiple attacks per round or the feat. Still, quite possible with the right build and/or class.

That is what the Symbol Divine Focus is, basically: A Holy Symbol painted on your shield that acts as a focus for divine spells. Of Channeling Divinity or whatever else you need a Holy Symbol for.

I'm so grateful that didn't land on me.   I would've been disadvantaged the rest of the fight.   Most of the week, probably.  Maybe scarred for life.

The issue with that is that off-hand attack uses up your bonus action, which is what you are using to shove with shield master. But 5th level fighter could attack, shove down to the ground, then attack with advantage, since you can do things in between attacks. But if you burned the second attack on a grapple, you would have them immobilized and on the ground (you need movement to stand). So, they either attack from the ground or use their action trying to break grapple.


Yeah, I figure if I ever have to really tank it up, I'll go this option and be less reckless.

Hey DM;    usually, the MM spell sort of locks onto its target, and auto-hits, unless they've got Shield, or another magical defense.   That's the virtue of that spell.

Missing because somebody got shoved --  it's irrelevant, here, but it sort of implies magic missiles might be dodged, or side-stepped.  If that's the way it's going to play in this game, so be it --  but, it's the kind of change I'd prefer knowing in advance.  Because I'd likely have taken a different spell.

Aw, shit! I forgot about that feature. Sorry, I’ll be more mindful when you use it again.

Grog: Cooking is Cook's Tools.


Camp set up would be survival, however.

Can you all PM me your Alignments in your RTJ threads?

I just added it to my character page.  Near the top.  I figure it'll come up more then once.

Hy guys....i'll be joining in soon. Can't wait to jump in.

One last chance for anyone curious about the mask to make a roll. I’ll update by tomorrow otherwise, early afternoon or so. Skye already rolled in a secret roll for me while we prepared her introduction. All will be revealed about it with a DC 16 or better by tomorrow.

Azatch, I’ll allow you to find one spiked shield in good condition. The other four will be “Tattered”, but may be repaired or sold.

Grog, you get as many Lizardfolk hides as you prepped for dinner. You may also try to sell those as well.

Search rolls (Investigation or Perception) for any other loot.
This message was last edited by the GM at 05:22, Tue 13 Apr 2021.

Perception: 12

Skye Keenshadow rolled 13 using 1d20+2.  perception check.

just to help out

Shortstuff? Now you've done it!

I'm still getting on top of some of these rules --   I guess with a short rest (one hour) you get back all spell slots, as well as rolling dice to get back hps?

Edit- No, that's warlock only;  I need eight hours.

That could make a one hour rest worth it -- but, if we end up with a crap load of foes to fight right afterward, it would sort of defeat the purpose.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:48, Tue 13 Apr 2021.

um, not exactly. I think wizards get back a few slots during a short rest as a special ability. Full spell recovery requires a full rest.

And you can roll dice, but you only get half your total back during a full rest, so you need to dribble that sort of thing out over the day in case of multiple encounters.

Are you all agreed to move camp an hour to the Southwest?

I am... yes please

I'm good either way. It's SIMON that thinks he can't die. *I* know better.

Help me understand Ritual spells.
As a cleric, can I cast a ritual spell, even if it's not prepared. Since clerics know all 1st level spells, can Sundos cast a Detect Poison spell as a ritual?

EDIT:  Nevermind,  I have to have the spell prepared...

Whips out his wand
This message was last edited by the player at 22:42, Tue 13 Apr 2021.

The table itself is probably some horrendous thing, that paralyzes you as soon as you touch it, then bites your head off.   Like a venus fly trap for humanoids. Monster manuals are full of that sort of thing. I know how this works...

You’ll have to touch it to find out.

Yeesh. Filters people. What I'm reading is kind of racy.

LMAO Eww, no!

Who's Saving: Cela or all of us?

Let’s say all of you, except Grog.

DC 16.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:27, Wed 14 Apr 2021.

Does it matter that Azatch is assiduously not looking at the table etc?

Azatch rolled a 16 in any case, assuming that it is a Wis save (I think most charm effects are).

Ah, get your head out of the gutter!   (also needs a wis save, I believe)

I like how Sundos passed the check to not have to eat the food and is just eating it anyway.

Amazed more of us didn't fail - It's a hard check.

What do you mean?

Takes another bite of sliced summer sausage

The check was to resist the food...and to intuit whether a trap was involved.

The roll tested your faith. ;-)

The plates seem to be vegetarian.  Is that your finger?

It’s vegan sausage.

That's sausage made out of vegans, right?

No, we'll all fail when it really matters --  like when we get sprayed with the cloud of quick acting necro-rot!

Only in Lizardfolk territory or Hag’s lairs.

I’m updating in an hour. If you see this, and you’re at work or otherwise unable to post IC, then let me know here if you eat the food.

The three who ate the food gained the benefits of a long rest with a short one. Within 8 hours, all spells and Ki are recovered.

I need Survival rolls from Azatch and Skye.

Azatch gets Advantage.

Survival w/ adv: 7 (the other roll was a nat 1, so...)

Um, isn't that standard? Or did I miss a house rule (quite possible, but I did look)?

Those 3 got a one-time special benefit of a short rest giving them the benefits of a long one.

But then we slept the night and everyone got a long rest, yes?

Yes but the rest of us got to stay up all night and party.

3 people needed less sleep, but, yes, you’re all fully rested.

WOOT WOOT!

Long rest means, I believe, full hps back for anyone wounded --  5e is different that way.

What’s your marching order?

New bucket list item, get sea-gars for Azatch.

Oh god DM, what all did I miss?  I should have read the main thread first!
Thank god I chose a background role for times like these.

*One reading later.*

Oh boy, Grog would have offered to test it for poison first... via randomly eating.  Or absentmindedly tried to pack up the food and tables like it was just part of their camp.  I'd flip a coin.

Perception checks!  Good thing Grog is healed up from that rest and spell!  ...He's certainly not paying attention.  Must have been distracted.

Unrelated, Grog will randomly pack anything left behind at the camp that he wasn't using to distract the crocs.  He's got Carry Capacity to spare. XD

EDIT: If Grog's marching order was ever in question, second from the front.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:24, Thu 15 Apr 2021.

Sundos will be in the back row

I think we should set Grog up as a false god, and start a cult.   Wear fancy headdresses with horns, and collect monetary offerings.

Order:  Somewhere near the rear.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:05, Thu 15 Apr 2021.

False?

Go head and roll Initiative for the next round. Giant Croc will be on y’all then.

Grog -- it sounds like you got a worshipper!


And, if perchance you can grant 'Protection from Gator,' really quickly, then I'll serve you too!

Grog's "Protection from 'Gator" spell wouldn't work on one that size.  Sadly as a -1st level deity only works on small ones that like the taste of lizard.

That said, if he had the chance to pack that random serving of mystery table food (darn absence) I could have tossed THAT at the 'gater and see if it fails that charm save to buy us another round. XD

Ok, so the croc is 50' right?

How far are we to the shore? Is the swimming kind of an action before the combat round type of thing? If Azatch decides not to swim for the shore how far downstream can he move toward the croc while the others are swimming to shore?

I'm about to do some crazy barbarian hero shit.

Also, is it an action to take a potion? I have seen games that house rule it. Rage is a bonus action anyway, so there would be competition, but I just want to get that out of the way for option purposes.

Yes. Everyone is one good roll from shore. I’ll let you take the potion as a bonus action this round, since you detected the Giant Croc before it got the drop on you.

Be mindful of the Halfling on your shoulder. :-D

Grog, so far, the only one who failed the Athletics check was Lenelle. Waiting on Skye for her check and initiative. So far, everyone beat the Croc on Initiative.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:37, Thu 15 Apr 2021.

In my loose understanding of the game combat terms, pulling out the potion is a move action, drinking it is a standard one.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I only skimmed that spot.

In 3.5, you could pull out or put away an item while moving as long as you had +1 base attack bonus in one of it's books somewhere, but that's not relevant here.

I gave Azatch a bonus action to drink it.

I don't think taking it out is a move action, but I could be wrong. My understanding is that object interactions are part of a move action, and drinking would be an action, allowing me to use my move to get to shore. What is most dicey is then scooping Lennelle.

But I did ask ahead of time. Some games house rule bonus action for potions and action to administer potion.

I believe that in this case the DM ruled some leeway for the good perception roll.

Come on, folks, the dog had a BRICK in it's mouth...that was gold.

OK, now they get really shaggy.

Funny you should mention shaggy.   I can't help but think of this as something like a Scooby Doo adventure.    With Grog being Scoob.   (Groggy Doo!)

At the end (if any of us our alive), the unmasking of the villain... "And I would've succeeded, if not for.." etc.

“And I would have gotten away with it, if not for that Minotaur and those meddling kids!”

Next round I've got a different card to play.    I probably should've done it this round. But, I was seduced by the empty promises of cumulative damage. Which turned out to be wholly mediocre.

Also, I failed to grasp this thing's the size of an oak tree.

Will post soon

posted, obvs

Not sure this is the best thing in the world strategically, but the rule of cool demands that I wrestle a croc.

My thought is to absorb all the damage while you wail on it. My actions will be dedicated to trying to take it's mouth out of the equation (not sure that is possible by the rules, to restrain), or attacking with my tail, and using the tail to deflect the croc's attacks.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:44, Fri 16 Apr 2021.

Problem with the "Grog OA" strategy is that it requires abusing an advantage in reach, which he does not have here.  Not to mention D&D has a habit of putting large creatures with large HP totals and low AC, so this fight will likely drag out.  Not a good thing for squishy low-levels.  Cleric will be key here.

That said, what Grog CAN do is waddle into the fray behind it, as flanking advantage would be handy.  That and his prepped rune strategy (if it triggers) could net someone a free hit (via short-term charm), and depending on initiative order (unlikely) give Grog that chance at closing that gap safely.  His other rune would be very likely lose it's main effect and just be a minor one-time damage boost, but given the fight type that may be needed anyway.

The monster failed the first Saving Throw and will spend its next round in a stupefied state. You can flank and everyone involved gets a +2 on attacks.

EVERYONE: Don’t forget that Lenelle gave y’all Advantage with Guiding Bolt.

I believe that is just for the very next attack, which would have been one of Simon's bolts last round.

FYI to everyone, because of rage, that 30 damage is 15, so don't worry!

Next round, I will have my tail roll (1d8) added to AC as a reaction. I technically used a reaction because of the readied action, so I didn't have it this round (ignore dice roller).

BUT! If the croc is stunned, then that is advantage. Does the Rune stun it? For how long?

Nevermind, I think it is incapacitated, which is different. Sorry for the spam, but please clarify.

Charm, actually.  However the effect of the charm leaves it groggy and unresponsive.


EDIT: So reading into it, unless Simon missed, the charm wears off instantly as soon as it takes damage.  However, maintaining/resisting a grapple is typically not something a charmed individual can do.  So no death roll this turn.

On the previous note of possible strategy, how does 5e handle grapple checks?  Could Grog offer his barbarian friend aid?  Also: How far away is the Croc from the shore?  I have an idea to help close the gap, but it only really accounts for an extra 5' unless we bend the rules for the sake of interesting narrative.  Grog is practically useless, but he'll do what little he can.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:43, Sat 17 Apr 2021.

Ok, let's break this down:




5e is very specific about the language it uses and the affect. These definitions were hyperlinked on dnd beyond.

I don't see anywhere in there where it says the affect ends if it takes damage, not even from the charmer. It is not the Charm spell, but that spell also imparts the charmed effect, but the spell has the added caveat of ending if it takes damage (I believe).

Wait, what?  Lemme double-check.

Not only does it only specify the charm ends whenever it makes its save, it is also forced into a speed of 0 and incapacitated, descending into a dreamy stupor.

If charm doesn't end with damage, that's quite the combo until the croc rolls his (somewhat easy DC 13) save.  Shame the save is a 'start of round' effect.


EDIT: Well, you made my commentary redundant.  Still, quite the interesting bit of trivia.  That is NOT a change I would have ever predicted between editions.  So no free hit, but the possible prevention of attacks in future turns if it rolls poorly. (EDIT 2: Minimum one turn of non-action seeing as it saves at end of turn, unlike Fire Rune.  I need to read my effects better.)
This message was last edited by the player at 05:05, Sat 17 Apr 2021.

Great, now instead of dodging, I am going to attack recklessly, haha.

A giant croc DID just stop attacking you spontaneously gaining a really relaxed expression for no reason.  I'd be surprised if you didn't.

That is correct on the guiding bolt;  it's just the very next attack, not all attacks that round.

Serves me right for not reading a little more closely;   didn't realize it was already stopped.

However, I can maintain the illusion for a minute (10 rounds?);  if it makes its save vs. Grog's rune, before you guys beat it to death, it will then be faced with the phantasm.

Unfortunately, scaring the hell out of the Giant Crocodile will help it shake off the Rune’s stupor.

Grog & Sundos, it’s your turn.

Forgot the d4 extra for enlarge. Rolled a 4. Total damage for tail is 17!

In reply to The Dungeonmaster (msg # 216):

Note to self - read more carefully.  Always read OOC before main thread.  (hands in face)  My sorcery license will get revoked.    I suck as an adventurer.   I'm not cut out.   I just want a castle in the forest.   With a pegasus.   Or maybe a talking lynx.

The upside is that Grog & Azatch can’t take Advantage of Flanking while the Croc is incapacitated. In my mind, the Charmed condition counts.

So ugh uhh, asking again.  How far away is the croc from Grog?

EDIT: Autocorrect, cut that out.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:41, Sun 18 Apr 2021.

It’s a 30 foot long Super-Croc. You’re within striking distance of a tail and/or leg.

Hey, Grog, I’ll give you til midnight to post your action. If I don’t see anything, I’ll roll a rudimentary melee attack so we can keep the scene moving.

I'd like to start a formal protest. Sorcerers and wizards have Magic missile, which never misses, I have Eldritch Blast which never hits.

Yes, well. I'm not friends with an ifrit who was adrift at sea for a millennium.    I've got nothing very interesting to talk about when I socialize.    It's embarrassing.


Also this was a hell of a time to roll a 4 initiative.

Oh, I kept the same Initiative this time. I wanted to compare how it played out with rolling a new one every round. You’re still second, so even a half-assed roll from Cela could let you two wrap this up.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:53, Mon 19 Apr 2021.

Cool!   Thank goodness.

In reply to The Dungeonmaster (msg # 226):

hopefully that will do.

Joke's on you!  I was trying to find out if I could do exactly that!  ...darn work schedule not working out.

Going to catch up on all the posts! You guys have been busy.

Sundos, Cela, & Lenelle, give me a Perception check. Sundos, you get Advantage. DC 10.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:42, Tue 20 Apr 2021.

I really like this, haha

Azatch, YOU can get in on that roll, too. Also with Advantage. (Just you & Sundos get that perk).

16:56, Today: Sundos Brightblood rolled 13 using 2d20+3, dropping the lowest dice only.  Perception (advantage).

Sorry, don't have time for a IC post right now. It might be a few hours.

Gonna smile, and start calling Joshua 'Brother'.

Azatch rolled 15 using 2d20+3, dropping the lowest dice only ((12,3)).

21:19, Today: Cela rolled 18 using 1d20+4.  Perception.

Lenelle Toreth rolled 16 using 1d20+3.  perception.

my..what a perceptive party we have...

Fishers and hunters? Simon is going to make friends this evening with a repeat of his Fishing Tale. Ah, it's good to be amongst my people.

Actually, you have a -2 Charisma penalty in any social interaction with Deadwater townies after your earlier conversation with Joshua.

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Just kidding! lol :-p
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:58, Fri 23 Apr 2021.

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that out. I worked out the well was involved in the cure, and he is worrying about the priestess being a bad guy and telling me *I* thought that when he was the one that brought it up.

And people wonder why Simon thinks something fishy is always going on. Pun intended, of course.

full of faith, Sundos will drink from the well.  But I want to allow Lenelle to make a IC post first, if she wants to.

That’s fair! Skye, let me know where you end up. Even if you also went to the temple, I’ll work it into that scene.

Expect an emphasis on role play this weekend. Unless anyone gets twitchy, we’ll let you settle in, eat, recover, and gather information. Is that cool? Does anyone feel like we need more encounters of the Fighty sort? No wrong answers, it’s a general poll.

I'll refrain from voting.  Things will happen as they will I'm sure.

Don’t refrain, just speak up.

More role play is good. Doesnt need fights all the time. However, weekends are usually slower time for my posting.

In reply to Sundos Brightblood (msg # 246):

What he said. Weekends are  "off" time, although I usually check in a couple times a day. Roleplay suits that better.

Mind you, it won't keep me from making another story post.

That was my way of saying "I don't have a preference."  My lack of vote is due to having no disfavorable opinion to either result.

Gotcha, that’s fair! If you wanna follow up on anything from IC, you can do so. If it’s easier to lay out an idea in private, shoot me a message.

A combat break would be nice

Done! Cela & Grog, I edited some replies for you both in Benny’s post.

I will do as much combat as you throw at me.

But if I were to break down my preference it would be:

Roleplay 1/4
Downtime 1/4
Combat   1/2

But anything is fine.

Also, (ok, it turns out I have a lot of opinions), I like a mix of unavoidable encounters, choose to engage encounters, and encounters we go and find.

But, again, whatever you have is great.

I think those are reasonable requests, and I’ll accommodate them as much as I’m able. There are definitely some planned encounters ahead. If you’re paying attention and asking the right questions, some opportunities for encounters the party can see out, as well. Expect more combat after the party has a fair rest. Hopefully, by Sunday night, but no later than Monday afternoon.

Obviously it would be a slow acting poison to allow for the maximum number of people to be poisoned. ;3

I'm just one person. I am sure some other people prefer more roleplay, etc.

I play in other games that are more combat-centric and one that is downtime-centric, so, I am perfectly happy for this one to have more roleplay.

If I were the DM, and you were the player, I would give you XP for using the work 'slaked'.

Downtime-centric and NOT role-play centric?  I'm not sure I could follow how that works.

I finally think I got Grog figured out enough to do straight role-play from here forward if I needed to.  He wound up with a quite interesting bit of backstory to him as I read into his rules more.  Maybe if the game (or his part in it) ends conclusively I'll add sum it up somewhere to share the more subtle flavors.  (Then again, it may bleed into the pot before then anyway.)  On the off chance that Grog does survive into a new game of some sort, maybe I'll keep it held back just so there's something new to find in his old flavor.

Like using the downtime rules from Xanathar's and not roleplaying all of the errands, interactions, results, etc.

The difference between:
I spend the work week looking for what magical items are for sale in the city.

And:
I ask the innkeeper, "Tell me old chap, I see a lot of adventurer's here and many obviously have been outfitted by the best magicians and potion makers. Tell me, where would someone of means frequent to find such accoutrements?" (and so on)

...hmm.  Not sure I'd find the appeal in that as described.  Over-simplified like that seams kinda... like fast-forwarding through everything.  Or playing the sim-game part of BattleTech (2018) full-time without getting to personally blow stuff up in the giant robots your building up.  I don't think I'm ready to put up a proper opinion on it.  But it's also bed time, so maybe after some sleep I'll think on it more.  Then again, it's not like failing to come to any conclusion will impact my life at all I suppose.

It's tough for me to break it into fractions, exactly.

I consider myself story & RP centric, but combat & downtime can be a big part of that.

For example, when I roll crappy in a tense situations, I'm likely to narrate why it went badly.   Or, my character may get stressed by seeing comrades in danger, etc.

I tend to like balance; in the way a novel or show might be balanced.    Rather than having three or four consecutive encounters in the bog, I'm glad we landed in Deadwater for some dialog.   It was a nice transition from the perils of the swamp.

I joined this game mostly because I noticed that the GM (as a player in another game) had a story-centric/writerly approach to her posts.    Usually, I find such players understand how to balance a scenario, if they happen to run a game.    Enough so I've rarely got any especial requests.

But, I keep in mind this is a D&D game at the end of the day. Happy to run with the vote of the majority, whatever it happens to be.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:47, Sat 24 Apr 2021.

Poor Grog, even when he speaks clear as day, he's still misunderstood.

Sadly, I think Pockets hears what he wants to hear.

I think the Spit should sell t-shirts and tank tops that proclaim:   “Hey! Hey, Hey, HEY!”

I'd buy one.

Helping the people of Deadwater with their problems such as "they can't collect wood because of the undead attacks" instead of helping us buy the wood we need to repair our boat!?! The nerve!  Even going so far as to ask the person likely to be the most capable of answering where the undead are coming from!  (As if from the remains of the dragon wasn't an obvious starting point.)  You are going to get us sent on an adventure or something!

EDIT: De-stressing post.  Weekend posting being slow on top of being caught up on my webcomics/mangas/ect left me a bit bored.  I got nothing to say, but felt a need to say something anyway.  It if If it was a slow work day I'd be able to make up a random bard tale instead.

EDIT 2: Perfectly good food left out on that table!  Poor Benny!
This message was last edited by the player at 03:52, Mon 26 Apr 2021.

Boat repairs - Bah!   That's so last chapter.


This is a bloody crusade, now!   Or, at least a medieval version of the Walking Dead.

Sundos was going to say, "Let me check with my friends." But he will follow Lenelle's lead.

We need to get back to the boat even more since the people we left back there have no idea about the dangers.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:07, Mon 26 Apr 2021.

She has certainly decided.  Even if it were to come to making this stand by herself.   She may be assuming, somewhat, that the others will want to help.    But will understand if no.

This threat's engaging the divine soul aspect of her nature; far more so than anything else in her short adventuring career has.    She is going to return to the party with kind of a zealot's gleam in her eye.  Which may support Simon's suspicions & warning to the others about the water.

Yes, good point Cela --  Amara and the ship do need to be warned.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:05, Mon 26 Apr 2021.

You all are drinking a different kind of kool-aid. Only Lenelle and Sundos is safe

In reply to Sundos Brightblood (msg # 269):

You DO realize that the folks that drank the kool aid all died? And they thought they were safe, too...  After all, something was coming for them to take them away....

I mean, these people are missing basic siege training against a siege weapon (undead) here.  They won't last another week at this rate.  They treat it like it'll go away if they prey hard enough. (Shame it isn't that easy given how devout they are.)

Extra painful when the siege isn't being actively directed their way, and they have the entire daytime to counteract it.

Education is huge.

Oh c'mon --  you sound like those people who criticized the final season of Game of Thrones!     I'm holding a starbucks cup!    And I'm proud!

Seriously, I think any counter-points other characters may have are great.  There are  likely a number of ways Deadwater can be helped, or protected, education probably being one.

They sure could be helped!  They'll be fast forwarding their own demise given how little they know about the problems they face, but it's entirely possible to save the poor little buggers.  Like trying to teach an elementary school with one teacher about how not to die of radiation poisoning after the school became radioactive.  Not easy, but we might save a few! :P

You spent $5 for $1 worth of coffee and you're proud? Have another ladle of water....

Excuse me while I catch up on 3 pages worth of dialogue. Man, taking the weekends off really puts you behind in this game!

It sure doesn't take long, that's for sure.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:57, Mon 26 Apr 2021.

I shall post soon

So did the people who listened to QAnon.

Ma'am, this is a Wendy's.

Not exactly. Although both groups did try and kill some government officials. Jim Jones was successful, however.

Sorry, I'm from the Bay Area, and was around when it was current events.

I’m also thinking of the Covid denialists with YouTube degrees who listened more to Q than scientists. I’m living in the South, so I hear no end of that fuckery.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:16, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

Here's the alt version of the my post that I didn't think fit my character:



EDIT: for some reason I had gold threads in the glove. changed them to silver. I actually do know why I wrote gold threads, but it's a whole thing with another campaign. Man, I hate getting old.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:50, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

It does make a good bardic tale though.  I appreciate it Azatch. :3

...I think it's kinda funny Simon is offended that no-one is listening to him when not catching onto what Grog there said.  Especially after Pockets also failed to hear what he was saying.

In reply to Grog (msg # 283):

Not no one, just Skye who is so prone to insulting his intelligence, can't even tell the difference between 2 people and 1 person. Personally, I find it kind of humorous and would preferred to have made a joke at her expense, but that didn't fit the situation.

And I DID catch what Grog said. I even commented on it. Although we may be talking different instances.

In reply to Simon (msg # 284):

I meant Simon the 'character' not the player.  It seamed evident he missed why Grog offered his jug based on his following retort.  (Not that I can't see why he'd be reluctant to drink anything after recent events.)  That said, he'd also offer it to Azatch if as he showed up.  Doesn't feel quite worth making a whole new post for.  That said, I did goof a couple details in there, I was trying to remain very general about it.

EDIT: Why did I say if?  I'm losing my mind or something.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:56, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

In reply to Grog (msg # 285):

Oh, Different instance, then. I'll go back and check that one, but my day has been full, and I'm not focusing quite yet.

It wasn't me who said anything....Cena questioned the number of people and insisting. Since coming in tbe room she has said nothing...just listened.

And for the record, she isn't insulting your intelligence...just your attitude (and it's not personal insults towards you as a player or even Simon....she has lived in shadows of people and now is not afraid to stand up for herself

Apologies. As I said, I've been having an odd day. I seem to be missing everything today.

I'd have sworn it was you I really need to pay better attention

edited post to reflect the proper person not listening.

Skye is a bit of a cold abrupt person, but this time not her.

Hey, we ordered boat materials, right? I think we were supposed to bring back laborers too, right? Seems not only unsafe to bring that sort of cargo through the swamp, but also physically impossible to bring a cart.

Geography question for GM, is Deadwater on the edge of the sea? Or does it have a river that flows out? It seems like it would make a lot more sense to take a small barge along the coastline to the shipwreck. Can we do that?

Seems, like we should be able to hire that out and send workers along, the wreck shouldn't be hard to find, and then we can stay in town for awhile and help out, then when the boat is done, they can come to us, or mostly to us.

Didn't want to say this IC because I wasn't sure of the geographical specifics.

Also, I noticed on my sheet that the outlander feature is:
So, you know, that might have helped on out trek to town. I guess chalk that up to swamp features resetting after flood or something, haha.

That "pavilion" Simon keeps referencing really does  exist, and really can be used for storage. I have a chest and basket and contents in there already. It can handle at least some of the goods we're to get.

#2. Deadwater is a few miles inland. That’s a good idea, and you could certainly try.



It’s not out of the question. You’ll need to persuade some locals to take on that job.

That reminds me: Simon, you have a -1 penalty on any Persuasion checks with residents of Deadwater starting the next day by noontime.




You’re pretty on point.

.

You had a bad day. You were still 75% accurate after several years away.

Starting at noon, but not until then?

Starting by noon. Not at sunrise, but definitely after 10 am.

In reply to The Dungeonmaster (msg # 295):

Ah, the guy from the swamp needs time to tattle to everyone and blame me for something HE said. :-)

That's OK, I'll just tell them all a story nd change their minds.... shoulda been a bard.

It’s a small town, so word spreads quickly about a rude stranger who disparages the town priest in front of that guy, is abrasive toward said priest, and chases off one of the regulars. *Shrug*

Roll high on that Performance check for your Sea Shanty, Bud.
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:58, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

Laborers shouldn't be needed unless for carrying, I think we have npcs on the ship that were meant to do the work.

250 200feet of rope = 40 lbs
50 feet of oakum - let's assume double the weight of the rope for 20 lbs?
4 buckets of pitch - A barrel is going to be a much better container for transporting this.  20 gallons of pitch is 200 lbs, plus 70 for the barrel
Cart - we may need this for parts, (extra wood at least) not just for carrying.
Canvas, 6 large bolts - this one is harder to estimate.  50 lbs each?
Carpenter’s tools - 6 lbs these can just go in someone's pack
Draft Horse - to pull the cart
Planks of wood, 20 - I'll assume these are 2x6x14 (Cela would probably be able to tell if they were the same size as the ones used on the ship if not what that size is) = at least 560 lbs of quite awkward to carry wood.  Even if we had the capacity I think this needs a cart.

Nails were not on the list but I think we should get at least 10 lbs of them.

So that's ~1200 lbs.  Manageable on a cart but I don't see it getting through the swamp we took unless it's designed to be floated.  A barge seems like a possibility.  Can only Simon transport things to the pavillion or could Grog do it?  Can we load things on a cart and push the cart in?

We could show up without the wood and have the ship's laborers cut down trees/fashion the planks but that means repairs will take longer.

We also have the rations from the croc.  100 lbs?

Any of this could weigh more because of older materials or because the GM says so.
Barrel, rope, tools weight are d&d rulebook.
Wood weight estimated from https://everythingwhat.com/wha...e-weight-of-a-2x6x10
Pitch weight from https://www.aqua-calc.com/calculate/volume-to-weight
Canvas estimate is for a 100 yard bolt on amazon - but this is modern material
Oakum is old rope dipped in pitch.

In reply to Cela (msg # 298):

We had to swim at one point, so we'll want rowboats, not a cart. Poor horse would drown. We can tow/push them ourselves.

Nails may not be used, actually. Pegs, instead, especially for a ship. Wet pegs would swell and never fall out. Nails work loose.

Canvas is just a cotton weave, same as denim Cotton cloth is priced in the PHB, but not given a weight. Modern or not probably isn't an issue, but weight (thickness, in this usage) is.

I would think a ship would have carpenter's tools already. That's what the Bosun does, after all. Weaver's tools for the Sailmaster, as well.

Making anything takes 1 week per 50 gp. Making lumber can be done, but we'd need to know the value, not the weight. More men making it makes it quicker, of course, that 1 week/50 gp is per man. Probably the best route, just given terrain considerations. Assuming there were trees there, of course.

Only Simon can take things into his vessel at this time. 180lbs per trip, 1 trip per day.  Pulling a cart in would be up to the DM.

Carpenter's tools were requested so either the set on board is damaged from the storm or an extra set is needed to speed up repairs - if we can get them we should as they're of negligible weight and 8 GP isn't so bad.

Rowboat is theoretically a good idea, but it's 50G in the rulebook compared to the 15G we were budgeted for the cart.  - I think we actually need both to take our original path unless it's dragged the whole way.  If we can go along the river just a boat would be fine.  If it's upstream we still need the draft animal to pull it.

Azatch has extra gold from the croc - do we want to use that or just the captain's funds?

Simon, I’m cool with the mechanics of placing a cart inside the vessel, because it would fit in a 20x20 space.

My question is how much autonomy does the Sheikh give you in how you use that space? Is that solely to serve Simon’s needs as he will? If not, will the Patron want a pack animal and cart in his cushy interior lounge?

help me out a little.

There are nightly undead raids (around 3am?). Can we get in a long rest before then and be ready to fight the ghouls at 3am.

Then if we decide to go after them now, find their lair after sunrise?

Or

We go back to the ship and retrun ina  few days.

or

Send NPC's back to ship with supplies

or something else...

Does anyone need a long rest before then if we wanted to fight?

I don't think we should ask for the gates to be opened, but Cela can probably climb them.  (gates are 18 ft, I have climb speed of 20 ft and can double that for one round.)  I could go out and test the holy water on them with others as backup from the top of the wall.

Just looking at what's out there might be good enough, may not need to fight tonight.

The real work, tracking them is going to be a during the day thing and it would be mostly Traill.

Probably Joshua could be convinced to help with the ship.  Laredon is a woodworker so he'd be a big help for the ship if we can convince him.  I think they'll probably need an escort at least to get there.

Quick poll:

Who ate the food from the woodland banquet or drank from Eldath’s Well?

I’m awarding Cela a 1d4 Bonus for Inspiration for tackling the “How” head on.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:38, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

The food was me, Sundos, and Lenelle I think - so that means those two did both.

a) we had to wade through chest-high water (Skye was carried on shoulders)
b) horses can swim

The swim check was to get out of the water faster than the croc, not to see if you drowned.  4 foot deep water isn't great for a cart however.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:21, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

OK: You’re pumped up enough, as if you’ve had a Short rest. Everyone else needs a Short rest or deal with Pockets.

Er, I mean, with Exhaustion, if you’re going Ghoul hunting.

Sundos ate and drank both.

I would like a long rest to get back 3 spell slots. But can make due without

Not and tow a cart or wagon they can't.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:25, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

The double effect restores those for you or Lenelle with a Short rest.

You could unloose the horse on the bank and guide it through the water, while carrying the cart in your Ring.

Where would your Patron stand on animals in the Ring?

I took both.

A long rest would be great, if possible;  I spent all my level 2 slots and sorcery points during the Godzilla encounter.    I'm an efficient undead swatter, it would help to be back up at full.     But, I've still got three 1st level slots to work with, if it isn't possible.

The Vessel is designated "Bottled Respite" so I would think it's a tool to make things easier under whatever conditions are needed.

After all, I'm not going to get to the next library to do research into who trapped him until the ship is moving again.

And Simon would have to be the pack animal. I can't take others in with me, just objects at this level. So: Cart plus load weight of 360 lbs for a sledge, 900 lbs total with wheels.

A cart weighs 200 lbs, so 700 lbs of supplies.

700 pounds is quite a bit. That sounds like the way to go.

The combined effects of Mystery Food & Well Water will cut that down to a Short Rest this time.

Thank you Dungeonmaster!

I mean... I'm just a mindless robot now... do as I say.. Do not resist... do not resist..

If my estimates are right

all the wood, two bolts of canvas, oakum, and half the rope is 700

If someone (Grog probably) can handle 270 lbs for a barrel of pitch we can probably manage the rest.  I have 120 lbs of carrying capacity over what I have.

Edit:  A Bucket in the rulebook is 3 gallons, I made my estimate on 5 gallons/bucket.  If we only need 12 gallons the pitch itself weighs 116 lbs - and while a barrel makes more sense if we actually need to carry it through the swamp it, buckets would probably be fine for sitting in a protected magic room.  So wood + 12 gallons pitch + buckets = 684 and all the really awkward items would be in the pavillion.

so that leaves three people each carrying two bolts of canvas and some rope for 110 lbs (with a couple minor leftover pieces.)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:43, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

And THEN we can waste the time for boat repairs on making the town less murdered!

...under the assumption that the town does in fact, have any of those supplies.  A giant wooden wall under nightly undead attack needs wood that they can't go out very far to collect due to said nightly undead attacks.  Might not get a choice in the matter.  The illusion of choice is nice, though.

We have been assimilated!

It was cart plus 700 in supplies for 900 total, so there's another 200 lbs of capacity on Simon when he needs to tow it a step.

The weight of the cart wasn't supposed to be in that and I worded it poorly initially.  However looking at the size of a bucket in the rulebook brings down the weight of the pitch and I've updated my post.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:48, Tue 27 Apr 2021.

If it isn't obvious, Trail DOES NOT like Pockets much at all.

Know it all arrogant male, talkative.

...sound like someone we know?

In reply to Skye Keenshadow (msg # 322):

Cela? Wait, no, she's not male.


Enough already. No need to take it OOC. Starting to feel personal.

Don't take it personal....I love Simon! Ooc he is so cool. His stories, his attitude, it's great

I'm fine with a short rest. Isn't it going to take a day to get the materials together? Like order them in the morning, then leave with them the next day? Seems like if we are walking with all the stuff on Simon, we can get there faster than our trip from boat to Deadwater, especially if we get a rowboat (can we put the boat in and out of the thing?).

So, what's the plan, short rest then 3am ghoul attack?

In reply to Skye Keenshadow (msg # 324):

Well, thanks. My first story teller, and all because of a Background Flaw. Still, it's a bit different for me.

If I can carry it, I can take it in, but that cart is going to push most of my furniture out of the way as it is. And I can only enter it once a day.

But Grog could carry a rowboat and not notice the weight, I expect, for portage situations.

Be mindful: A rowboat only carries 4 people and weighs 100lbs. (Per Ghosts of Saltmarsh)