How did I miss all this? Did not see an update..hmm..anyways! I will get on it!
Sorry all!


Also vacation wise:
I expect to be off from the 23rd-29th of december, back on the 30th for a day, and then off again until the 2nd of January 2023.

In reply to DM Paul (msg # 580):

 Nope it’s not confusing to me

Well done Tuur one less

Happy holidays everyone

mixed initiative is fine with me, we use it all the time in our games, it's one of our house modifications where we don't use the same initiative for all monsters of the same type.

Mixes things up a bit but works well in our games

Mixed initiative is fine with me. Feels more organic or natural, and doesn't seem like much more work. On the player side, just have to watch the posts a little more closely to see when you're up.

In reply to Sietnyas (msg # 584):

I am cool with this, but I looked and with Green Hunter down, it seems that it is DMs turn and we return to PC at this point.

Looking forward to my double burst sometime soonish.

In reply to Frug (msg # 585):

Merry Christmas Everyone. Hope you all have a great Holiday

I'm aware that I'm up. I have days off work coming soon, and I'll try to catch up then. Happy New Year!

Happy new year,

It's a big turn for you, so much to do so Froodle is quite happy to wait - at least he'll have hit points for a few more days

In reply to Froodle (msg # 588):

Happy Next Year! I hope 23 opens, runs, and wraps in the best way possible for you. May the high points be experienced to the fullest and the lows find you surrounded with love that pulls you through, with what you do contributing to others having that experience too.

I look forward to seeing where this game goes!

Season's greetings to everyone!

Happy new year everyone.
I know I'm up next

Hoping to post tomorrow

In case you weren't aware, Froodle, you don't have to hit to issue combat challenge, just attack... which means that Cleave doesn't mark the second target.

ooh, hang on, in that case I might think about a shift

Frug can you hold fire with your turn until tomorrow so I can decide (going offline now)

In reply to Froodle (msg # 593):

Yes, so I am holding until Froodle posts. I need to get caught up.

In reply to DM Paul (msg # 592):

DM Paul:

In case you weren't aware, Froodle, you don't have to hit to issue combat challenge, just attack... which means that Cleave doesn't mark the second target.

Happy to go with that, the Cleave power does say it targets one creature

Here was my thinking though, just for clarity on how I came to write the turn as I did.

I know combat challenge allows a mark whether it hits or misses, so the Umber strider was going to get marked anyway.
My reference to needing to hit was my interpretation of the follow through, that if the hit on the Umber was successful, the Chestnut would take damage from my weapon, which I interpreted as being part of the attack, thereby including the chestnut in the "every time you attack an enemy" bit of the challenge.
If the initial hit missed, then there would be no follow through, so the Chestnut strider would not have taken damage, which I took to mean the Cleave didn't follow through and the Chestnut strider was therefore not attacked.

If the chestnut isn't marked then I'll still mark the Umber strider and shift alongside him, away from the Chestnut strider, blocking the passageway (I read it as 2 squares wide). This would mean they could still flank me but they would both need to shift (or move if they prefer) to do so (opening up an opportunity attack on at least the Umber instead of the Chestnut).

Hope that makes sense, it would be a 10 second conversation in real time
I'll edit the turn entry once you confirm

In reply to Froodle (msg # 595):

I should be able to post tonight

Attack is unfortunately used in multiple ways in 4e.  But "being the target of an attack power" seems to be what is meant by 'being attacked'.

The explicit ruling for the cleave extra damage recipient NOT getting marked was apparently in one of the early D&D FAQs - but it's not in the current one AFAICT.

Only quasi-official ruling I can find is the implication of the Impending Doom Style feat ( http://iws.mx/dnd/?view=feat1304 ):



If the enemy getting the extra damage should normally be marked anyway, this feat has no effect.

As an aside: the Deft Hurler Style feat ( http://iws.mx/dnd/?view=feat977 ) is another way to get multi-marks with Cleave, and gives you an extra attack too!

In reply to Froodle (msg # 595):

It all makes sense when I consider how you interpreted Cleave and then I give it more than a moment's thought. Understandable, but thanks for going with it.

Thanks both, I'll update the status block.

Thanks too for the additional background and link Sietnyas.

Seems it was published in dragon magazine and not in the core books, but as you say, it helps makes sense of the question. If the original power marked the additional target, there would have been no need for the Feat to be created.

It's good to have discussions and pull on experience of others from a DM perspective

Nice turn Frug,

I certainly appreciate the HP and AC buff

In reply to Froodle (msg # 600):

Walnut strider down and Drake is still in the fight but poorly.
I assumed that Tuurs healing surge would be at least 7 so
Puts him back on full HP.

Any healing that anyone can do for Drake would be welcome :-)

Tuur it’s your turn

Back around to me, I see. I'll get on this in the next day or so.

That was short and (not so) sweet from Froodle

Adding a couple of axes (that might hit) to the wishlist file

Frug, over to you

In reply to Froodle (msg # 603):

A critical hit! Bonus damage was full too, would be more had Froodle been bloodied, but I am glad he’s not.

Froodle gets a bonus to attack when he's bloodied so he's happy to be in that state sometimes

Only thing is that takes him below 20hp - a bit risky long term